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73. No I get to point out when they are spinning.

Thu Mar 15, 2018, 06:35 AM

Mar 2018

Bullying implies being threatened. The OP didn't threaten in any way. Alleging bullying is just trying to shut down a discussion.

BTW Feeling threatened is the same excuse that cops give for shooting unarmed people of color. So I guess you're saying that those actions were totally justified.

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Why does unconditional support of the D party bother some? [View all] Eliot Rosewater Mar 2018 OP

Vote for Democrats! mcar Mar 2018 #1

Yes. If people would just stop and think MATH Eliot Rosewater Mar 2018 #2

Unconditionally? You mean if Trump changed parties I have to support him? ollie10 Mar 2018 #3

Drumpf is his own party. The GOP picked him up from Vlad's 5 and dime bin... haele Mar 2018 #24

I suppose so, but if he changed parties treestar Mar 2018 #87

more likely, since he has no core values, he would just be trying to play us ollie10 Mar 2018 #91

We would be smart enough not to nominate him treestar Mar 2018 #93

Why this straw man argument? That will never happen and that is not what the OP is about. brush Mar 2018 #140

Ivanka and Jared call themselves Democrats I believe..... ollie10 Mar 2018 #144

Again with more distraction? Don't waste our time talking about those two repugs working for that... brush Mar 2018 #153

+1... I support nothing, unconditionally. nt Snotcicles Mar 2018 #90

So you're saying that both sides do it Cary Mar 2018 #187

Because I have a brain, and I don't blindly accept what I'm told by anybody. NT mahatmakanejeeves Mar 2018 #4

traitor! Bonx Mar 2018 #10

Thanks. I'll wear it with honor. NT mahatmakanejeeves Mar 2018 #13

More like bad at math. Eliot Rosewater Mar 2018 #15

Being able to do simple arithmetic doesn't make you good at math either. Hassin Bin Sober Mar 2018 #174

+1000 meadowlander Mar 2018 #66

Math is not irrational. The premise of the OP is not rocket science. Vote Democratic and we are... brush Mar 2018 #141

True. So the one-step forward two-steps back repitition should make sense to math people as well. KPN Mar 2018 #161

It's not that complicated. Vote Democratic and we get control of at least one house of Congress... brush Mar 2018 #162

True. It isn't that complicated. And I don't believe it will be KPN Mar 2018 #164

And voting based on math isn't "unconditional" support. meadowlander Mar 2018 #175

Come on. Get serious. Pedophiles, anti-Semites and racists would be weeded out by the primary... brush Mar 2018 #179

You're talking about unconditional support for anyone with a D after their name. meadowlander Mar 2018 #193

Give it up. I'm not biting on divisiveness. It's a simple concept. Vote Democratic to take back... brush Mar 2018 #207

As long as we can agree that words actually mean things meadowlander Mar 2018 #209

This!! Ferrets are Cool Mar 2018 #78

Then why can't you figure it out for yourself. It's not that hard. Third Parties are for Chumps. PubliusEnigma Mar 2018 #85

Do you think about anything treestar Mar 2018 #88

Right...well since you have a brain...looking at the situation of the Democrats having no control, Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #96

Personally, I think it is a no brainer. But I also understand the view of people who don't vote KPN Mar 2018 #163

Status quo? Hell I would give my left arm for a 'status quo'. Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #170

I agree. It was a perfect storm election. KPN Mar 2018 #178

God I hope that he is gone. Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #186

I'm with you as far as voting. After 2020 KPN Mar 2018 #196

First of all what you talk about won't come fast...we need to fix the ACA first and offer Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #199

No doubt. It won't be easy. But voters have a short attention span. KPN Mar 2018 #203

literal unconditional support of anything is madness Exotica Mar 2018 #5

My comment has NOTHING to do with that. Eliot Rosewater Mar 2018 #17

Lol. Try reading it again. Exotica Mar 2018 #44

Has nothing to do with what? melman Mar 2018 #201

It is madness to lose a seat in a red state treestar Mar 2018 #89

I stand by my post 100% Exotica Mar 2018 #146

Nope...not in this case...it is our only way to stop the GOP. Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #97

Unconditional means Stalin or Hitler etc could run as a Democrat Exotica Mar 2018 #136

That is a pretty far fetched hypothetical. Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #173

Of course it is far fetched, I was using absurdity to show the absurdity Exotica Mar 2018 #181

Some believe you shouldn't vote for a Democrat unless he is some sort of pure entity...this is what Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #183

I do not agree with the people that apply purity tests, I was Exotica Mar 2018 #185

Sounds reasonable...I want to run candidates that fit the district. or state. Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #188

here is an example of me defending exactly that tailoring (Kyrsten Sinema for Senate in Arizona) Exotica Mar 2018 #189

It could be the person was known as an infiltrator...it happens. Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #195

No. They were a 15 year poster with 30K posts Exotica Mar 2018 #197

I have no idea...was it post removed? Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #200

Yes it was. Someone alerted on a pro Sinema post. That is crazy as she Exotica Mar 2018 #204

I vote for Democrats only LanternWaste Mar 2018 #6

LOL Eliot Rosewater Mar 2018 #11

I only vote for Democrats, don't miss an election, and I am critical of the the party and candiates CentralMass Mar 2018 #52

This sort of 'complexity' has caused multiple losses to the point we are on the cusp of an outcome Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #98

"you're either with us or against us" Glassunion Mar 2018 #160

Sounds like you have your own line Egnever Mar 2018 #7

MATH Eliot Rosewater Mar 2018 #19

it became complicated when you put your own line in the sand Egnever Mar 2018 #20

Because it does not take into account Lars39 Mar 2018 #8

YES it DOES... Eliot Rosewater Mar 2018 #12

Not locally. Lars39 Mar 2018 #16

I am talking about State and Federal. In both cases, the party with ONE more seat than Eliot Rosewater Mar 2018 #18

Really? Lars39 Mar 2018 #21

Name one please. Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #99

Lieberman Lars39 Mar 2018 #127

He was not a Republican...that is your answer? Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #129

Post removed Post removed Mar 2018 #9

Then my math class didnt work ... Eliot Rosewater Mar 2018 #14

You're right; it's all about the numbers at this point in time peggysue2 Mar 2018 #38

And he is not actually anti choice, he is personally but supports Roe. Eliot Rosewater Mar 2018 #39

You've never been the enemy, Eliot. peggysue2 Mar 2018 #43

I second that Peggsue...you would think people would see the danger...ah...I think some are part of Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #100

No, he's not anti-choice. His voting record is pro-choice. That makes him pro-choice. ehrnst Mar 2018 #61

I stand corrected. peggysue2 Mar 2018 #64

Common error even by Dems. ehrnst Mar 2018 #69

Lord! NurseJackie Mar 2018 #60

The trolls and bots billh58 Mar 2018 #157

I will no doubt be voting... tonedevil Mar 2018 #22

Unfortunately given the number of people who constantly BASH our candidates who claim Eliot Rosewater Mar 2018 #23

Nothing you are doing here... tonedevil Mar 2018 #25

Persuaded? No, this site is for DEMOCRATS, there should not be a SINGLE person Eliot Rosewater Mar 2018 #26

Then your bullying... tonedevil Mar 2018 #28

agreed Egnever Mar 2018 #30

AMEN #2 RandomAccess Mar 2018 #57

How is he bullying? Trumpocalypse Mar 2018 #65

I don't do unconditional anything... tonedevil Mar 2018 #67

Bullying implies being threatened. Trumpocalypse Mar 2018 #74

Agreed melman Mar 2018 #202

No one is bullying anyone Trumpocalypse Mar 2018 #29

I reject... tonedevil Mar 2018 #31

What does that have to do with Trumpocalypse Mar 2018 #62

Thanks , and it is of course not bullying unless your position is you dont really Eliot Rosewater Mar 2018 #35

I think it's dishonest to tell people that what they're perceiving RandomAccess Mar 2018 #58

Not when what they are "perceiving", or more accurately spinning, Trumpocalypse Mar 2018 #63

Sorry, you don't get to tell people what they are experiencing RandomAccess Mar 2018 #72

No I get to point out when they are spinning. Trumpocalypse Mar 2018 #73

No, plenty of bullying goes on that has very little if any RandomAccess Mar 2018 #125

Which never happened in this case. Trumpocalypse Mar 2018 #148

YOUR vote on that just doesn't count. Sorry. RandomAccess Mar 2018 #154

Every vote counts Trumpocalypse Mar 2018 #165

But we're not talking about democracy in this sub-discussion RandomAccess Mar 2018 #191

Don't forget that we're also talking about Trumpocalypse Mar 2018 #194

No, that's even more sh*t from RandomAccess Mar 2018 #205

Sounds like you're the one bullying now. Trumpocalypse Mar 2018 #206

Really...so because someone says we need to support Democrats...you perceive bullying? Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #101

Of course it's hard to understand that -- RandomAccess Mar 2018 #128

Who cares about Bernie Sanders? He is in the Senate...not my Senator...and I don't always like his Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #172

Thank you for illustrating my point RandomAccess Mar 2018 #190

What is the point? My point is some like him, some don't and others (like) me are indifferent and Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #192

It is an accusation that some pull out Trumpocalypse Mar 2018 #149

It's called "Gaslighting". Russians and Republicans are masters of it. n/t Decoy of Fenris Mar 2018 #110

AMEN RandomAccess Mar 2018 #56

He is advocating voting for Democrats...on a Democratic site that should be a given...we support Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #95

A few thoughts in return Tom Rinaldo Mar 2018 #27

My Congressional district has not been competitive for some time Gothmog Mar 2018 #37

That's really interesting. Thanks for sharing your experience Tom Rinaldo Mar 2018 #41

I have also been trying to help recruit candidates Gothmog Mar 2018 #45

I am also curious about this Gothmog Mar 2018 #32

And if you have to get one here and there who is personally against abortion but for the right of Eliot Rosewater Mar 2018 #34

I look at issues such as do they think that brown people should vote Gothmog Mar 2018 #40

I'm with you! Basic LA Mar 2018 #33

How about unconditional support of a treasonous president, repugs? Motley13 Mar 2018 #36

Even this year I won't give "unconditional" support. Hortensis Mar 2018 #42

I would merely point out that party loyalty has lead to important wins by Republicans and if we Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #104

Agree with all but the first sentence. Lack of party Hortensis Mar 2018 #118

I think we are on the same page...and I absolutely think the lack of party loyalty led to the Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #133

it's really not that black-n-white DrDan Mar 2018 #46

It really is. Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #105

Joe Lieberman. Voltaire2 Mar 2018 #47

Will break my rule a 2nd time today... Eliot Rosewater Mar 2018 #48

Yeah, thats who I had in mind. Lars39 Mar 2018 #49

They tried, but when it didn't work treestar Mar 2018 #92

Just read both party platforms. LiberalBrooke Mar 2018 #50

It doesn't bother me one bit Hayduke Bomgarte Mar 2018 #51

Can Democrats still have primaries? left-of-center2012 Mar 2018 #53

Awwww... NurseJackie Mar 2018 #59

Sure, but let's avoid a primary like we see in WV...which serves no purpose Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #108

So, go with the flow and don't make waves left-of-center2012 Mar 2018 #126

And win...what do you think will happen if we keep arranging the deck chairs on the Titanic Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #130

My post referenced Democratic primaries left-of-center2012 Mar 2018 #166

Primaries often influence if we win or not...everything we do should be calculated to win...I Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #168

okie dokie smokie left-of-center2012 Mar 2018 #169

Let's part friends...we both want the same thing to get rid of GOP types ...and fascist Trump. Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #177

Your love us or leave us posts are off-putting to those who like to think we make the best choices aikoaiko Mar 2018 #54

I think the word "unconditional" is entirely inappropriate RandomAccess Mar 2018 #55

Here is my issue Bettie Mar 2018 #68

OK... so you understand that someone who is anti-lgbt, anti-choice, anti-immigrant, ehrnst Mar 2018 #75

And if one snuck in ...why we have Supers to save the day! Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #176

Indeed. Samantha Bee posited that the GOP would give their right nut ehrnst Mar 2018 #180

They will feel even more so...when they lose the House...yep...I think they will lose it! Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #184

yes you support them if they are running against a GOP ...we still get the majority Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #111

What the difference between "unconditional support" and "blind allegiance"? muriel_volestrangler Mar 2018 #70

One can support a candidate 100% without agreeing 100% with their strategy. ehrnst Mar 2018 #76

"If" is a conditional word. So, no, that's not "unconditional". (nt) muriel_volestrangler Mar 2018 #122

My defintion of Democrat the Democratic platform ehrnst Mar 2018 #131

Once the nominee is decided and depending on the state/district treestar Mar 2018 #94

I don't know. Why, what has that to do with "blind allegiance" or "unconditional support"? (nt) muriel_volestrangler Mar 2018 #123

We can and should support Democratic candidates we don't agree with 100% Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #112

We can and should support Democratic candidates we don't agree with 100% Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #113

How is that related to any difference between "unconditional support" and "blind allegiance"? (nt) muriel_volestrangler Mar 2018 #124

I don't get your point. Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #132

The point is the OP says "unconditional support" and "blind allegiance" are completely unrelated muriel_volestrangler Mar 2018 #134

Ah...I see. Well just my two cents...I unconditionally (always) vote for the Democrat in the Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #138

I can see your personal position, though I'm not sure it is what the OP is about muriel_volestrangler Mar 2018 #139

I can't speak to the views of the OP...just my two cents. Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #143

I am presumptively for the Democratic Candidate MaryMagdaline Mar 2018 #71

Power in numbers. NCTraveler Mar 2018 #77

It is the "unconditional" part that bothers me. alarimer Mar 2018 #79

Unconditional support of Democrats means a majority. Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #115

One reason I'm a Democrat Soxfan58 Mar 2018 #80

One helps GOP types get elected by criticizing and demanding Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #117

We're facing real & true fascists bent on destroying our cities, our country, and our world. TheSmarterDog Mar 2018 #81

There is a difference hueymahl Mar 2018 #82

No zipplewrath Mar 2018 #83

I just reread reply #79 democrank Mar 2018 #84

Sure...and when we lose and can't recover because we are on the cusp of doing so...maybe you will Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #119

Amen. Sick of it being called blind allegiance. treestar Mar 2018 #86

Because a party that gets nothing but unconditional support never gets any better. Orsino Mar 2018 #102

Sure supporting Democrats will of course never never get those things that you advocate (sarcasm). Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #120

If unconditional support means I can't bitch about the party then count me out. CrispyQ Mar 2018 #103

Yeah because telling others how awful the Democratic party is attracts new Democratic voters Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #121

Are you familiar with the term "Mindguard"? n/t Beearewhyain Mar 2018 #106

Because I am a critical thinker, unlike many R voters that give unconditional support to their party Freethinker65 Mar 2018 #107

Unconditional support of any political party is morally and intellectually reprehensible. Decoy of Fenris Mar 2018 #109

That's why there are primaries louis c Mar 2018 #114

And if there are two dems running in my district and MY choice is far less likely to win than Eliot Rosewater Mar 2018 #137

You're Speaking My Language louis c Mar 2018 #210

Are you kidding? Political orthodoxy is like crack to some people. Aristus Mar 2018 #116

Yeah, they congratulate themselves for not voting for this imperfect candidate or that imperfect Eliot Rosewater Mar 2018 #135

Surely "unconditional support for a political party" is "political orthodoxy"? muriel_volestrangler Mar 2018 #142

I'll accept the lesson in terminology. Aristus Mar 2018 #145

Making perfect the enemy of good *can* cause huge problems muriel_volestrangler Mar 2018 #151

I was thinking less of Jill Stein, and more of Bernie Sanders. Aristus Mar 2018 #155

What is your distinction between "blind" and "unconditional?" nt LAS14 Mar 2018 #147

Hint: it probably has something to do with the word unconditional. Nt aidbo Mar 2018 #150

Yep, some wish to reserve their right to HOLD their NOSES or WHINE about Eliot Rosewater Mar 2018 #156

I believe that VANITY and EGO are big motivators also. People like Sarandon (and others)... NurseJackie Mar 2018 #159

Heaven forbid some wish to reserve the right not to pretend every candidate with a following D... Marengo Mar 2018 #167

Still dont get the math, eh. Eliot Rosewater Mar 2018 #171

I agree. I don't get it. The GOP is nothing but a group of Lint Head Mar 2018 #152

So if Democrats choie Mar 2018 #158

You mean like Joe Biden did? How about if they voted to continue funding the Iraq War? ehrnst Mar 2018 #182

I am assuming you probably voted for Kerry who voted for the Iraq war. And yes, you need to vote Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #198

so it doesn't matter how choie Mar 2018 #208

No it doesn't...if kerry is candidate for example which he was you vote for him in the Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #211