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Tom Rinaldo

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5. Yes, that is the shape of longer term fixes. Not on the immediate horizon.
Mon Mar 12, 2018, 09:51 AM
Mar 2018

Under our current system it has been proven time and time again that it is virtually impossible for a third party to build from the bottom up to a position that can challenge one of the two institutionally entrenched parties. That has not succeeded in 150 years. Sometimes a movement centered around an individual can briefly emerge, but those movements are not sustainable beyond the allure of that individual. So It makes sense to me that few Americans have taken seriously the prospect of building up a third party under our current circumstances.

I would have blasted Bernie Sanders had he chosen to run in the General Election as a third party candidate or as an Independent. Still he gets blasted anyway for not being a good Democrat after only running in the Democratic primaries. But the bottom line is the American public is turning away from loyalty toward any one political party. That is most manifest in younger generations. Not facing this fact is equivalent to an Ostrich burying its head in the sand at the sign of a threat.

This isn't that complicated. Adrahil Mar 2018 #1
Repugs are masters at falling in line Freddie Mar 2018 #3
This isn't that complicated either Tom Rinaldo Mar 2018 #4
FFS... it's not a lecture. Adrahil Mar 2018 #6
"The winner here are going to be those who figure out how to win in this system" Tom Rinaldo Mar 2018 #7
The first step is easy. Adrahil Mar 2018 #9
People who are not members of your party do not typically act 100% as if they were Tom Rinaldo Mar 2018 #21
Our system is not set up for third parties Freddie Mar 2018 #2
Yes, that is the shape of longer term fixes. Not on the immediate horizon. Tom Rinaldo Mar 2018 #5
Not blasting Bernie Freddie Mar 2018 #8
We're on the same page. I battled against that mindset you speak of during the 2016 General Election Tom Rinaldo Mar 2018 #10
That's a recurring theme of your messaging in this thread. LanternWaste Mar 2018 #28
Just found an OP I wrote last year where I had done some research on this Tom Rinaldo Mar 2018 #29
Recommended. H2O Man Mar 2018 #11
Bernie did excite students NewJeffCT Mar 2018 #12
In many world democracies a leading politial party primarily sets the national agenda Tom Rinaldo Mar 2018 #13
It would be interesting to compare those who are satisfied with the current system el_bryanto Mar 2018 #14
Case in point - How the GOP controls Texas dalton99a Mar 2018 #15
Yep. And the question remains... Tom Rinaldo Mar 2018 #16
Wow Proud Liberal Dem Mar 2018 #18
DURec leftstreet Mar 2018 #17
So. ismnotwasm Mar 2018 #19
My points were basic Tom Rinaldo Mar 2018 #20
The system isn't strictly binary because of primaries. Jim Lane Mar 2018 #22
Primaries are becoming the only place where we can choose between candidates Tom Rinaldo Mar 2018 #23
I don't see "closed" primaries as a big problem. Jim Lane Mar 2018 #25
Well I do in fact live in NY, so that might color my views... Tom Rinaldo Mar 2018 #26
Party identification continues to fall. alarimer Mar 2018 #24
And that is why I chose to write about it. Tom Rinaldo Mar 2018 #27
I think the sheer number of nonvoters is also important. alarimer Mar 2018 #30
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