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In reply to the discussion: The Liberal Gun Club: We support Fix NICS [View all]friendly_iconoclast
(15,333 posts)151. You sought those photos out, and downloaded them. Do you only download ones with white gun owners?
If so, you have a collection of 'white gun owner porn'
Also, you didn't answer the question asked. Here, let me refresh your memory:
"Few Democrats lobby legislators to promote more guns in more places." And does LGC do that?
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And ban assault weapons like AR15. And ban large capacity magazines. And do fun buybacks
blake2012
Mar 2018
#1
Something is better than nothing, and this lays the groundwork for future efforts
friendly_iconoclast
Mar 2018
#2
The political momentum being built up on gun control cannot end with just the NICS fix
blake2012
Mar 2018
#3
We don't have good data because NRA/GOP banned data - they're afraid of real studies
sharedvalues
Mar 2018
#60
Above I cited a well-done study that says fed funding ban is a big problem.
sharedvalues
Mar 2018
#75
Ask the head of Everytown For Gun Safety for the funds- he's worth $50 billion:
friendly_iconoclast
Mar 2018
#131
A gun control advocate that won't kick in 1% of their net worth is insincere, at best
friendly_iconoclast
Mar 2018
#153
Problem is gun-fetishists deny proof. RAND article: solid. Your attacks: ad hominem.
sharedvalues
Mar 2018
#168
Close the private sale/gun show loop hole. Not much of a NICS fix without that.
SunSeeker
Mar 2018
#4
Required background checks won't work if the checks themselves are faulty- hence Fix NICS
friendly_iconoclast
Mar 2018
#5
"I notice you refuse to answer my question about whether a schizophrenic should have a gun." I did
friendly_iconoclast
Mar 2018
#30
"How do you propose to prevent schizophrenics from buying guns?" By court hearing
friendly_iconoclast
Mar 2018
#39
What are you talking about? Who would set this hearing? Who would be the parties?
SunSeeker
Mar 2018
#42
A civil order for treatment, not necessarily involuntary confinement in a mental hospital
friendly_iconoclast
Mar 2018
#45
That does NOT capture mental illness diagnoses, only involuntary treatment judicial orders.
SunSeeker
Mar 2018
#46
So you think your ends justify any means, even if it means pissing on the Constitution?
friendly_iconoclast
Mar 2018
#64
Have you discontinued physically abusing your significant other? I can do leading questions, too...
friendly_iconoclast
Mar 2018
#94
That is just silly. You obviously just want to engage in insults instead of a thoughtful discussion.
SunSeeker
Mar 2018
#102
Oh, please-you've been trying to pin a strawman argument on me almost since you got to this thread
friendly_iconoclast
Mar 2018
#115
You don't offer a plan to stop the dangerously mentally ill from getting guns.
SunSeeker
Mar 2018
#123
Not if there is notice and opportunity for hearing before it is posted in NICS.
SunSeeker
Mar 2018
#157
What specific diagnoses should be reported to the database? Mental illness on its own is too...
Marengo
Mar 2018
#87
Maybe we could apply the same standard to speech, or other things in the Constitution.
friendly_iconoclast
Mar 2018
#96
Um, no one shot up a school because they were exercising the 1st, 5th or 8th Am.
SunSeeker
Mar 2018
#98
"the...mentally ill are the vast majority of mass shooters. You know that." No, *you claimed that...
friendly_iconoclast
Mar 2018
#99
You're trying to put a lot of claims in my mouth that I have not made, and will not make
friendly_iconoclast
Mar 2018
#116
You trusted Feinstein on her 'assault weapons bans'- but not on this?
friendly_iconoclast
Mar 2018
#126
"Have fun researching me? I'm honored..." Well, knowledge *is* power...
friendly_iconoclast
Mar 2018
#129
Kinda pathetic to call a fellow DUer "Opposition." That's supposed to be the GOP.
SunSeeker
Mar 2018
#137
Debating does not make me "the Opposition"... unless you're not a Democrat. nt
SunSeeker
Mar 2018
#158
Funny, I don't read that sentence in the exchange above. Care to point it out?
X_Digger
Mar 2018
#173
Discussion of gun control at DU tends to attract self-appointed "DU Political Officers"...
friendly_iconoclast
Mar 2018
#175
What part of "You're not actually in charge of DU" do you not understand?
friendly_iconoclast
Mar 2018
#188
No one called you "the opposition" -and BTW, Democrats most certainly do "opposition research"...
friendly_iconoclast
Mar 2018
#179
FIx NICS would be huge IMO - would this not also increase liability for acting outside the system?
hexola
Mar 2018
#6
Private sales without checks would still be legal- so open NICS to private sellers...
friendly_iconoclast
Mar 2018
#7
This would be the right way to do it but the gun prohibition people wont ever do t
Lee-Lee
Mar 2018
#8
Someone on CNN described a check system - where buyer and seller get temp permits
hexola
Mar 2018
#10
Misguided attempts to derail reform because "it isn't good enough"...
friendly_iconoclast
Mar 2018
#40
The 1/6/16 HIPAA rule does not require reporting of mental illness diagnoses.
SunSeeker
Mar 2018
#43
The ACLU has gone on record strongly opposing what you propose. I concur with them:
friendly_iconoclast
Mar 2018
#49
You haven't got the votes, and would rather reject a partial fix than compromise
friendly_iconoclast
Mar 2018
#71
Category error. Societal right to keep kids alive wins out over right to own lots of guns
sharedvalues
Mar 2018
#62
Logical fallacy. "Think of the children" is an appeal to emotion, not an argument
friendly_iconoclast
Mar 2018
#69
Category error: gun restrictions ARE constitutional. Your original pt re Const: category error.
sharedvalues
Mar 2018
#77
No. Not without a court order. What you want is no different than the 'terrorism watch lists'...
friendly_iconoclast
Mar 2018
#66
Well, that response suggests you think your cause is more important than due process.
friendly_iconoclast
Mar 2018
#108
"(T)he process I suggest has been held constitutional." In which Federal court? Cite, please.
friendly_iconoclast
Mar 2018
#113
Goldberg v. Kelly-SCOTUS held that pre-termination administrative hearings comply with due process
SunSeeker
Mar 2018
#120
I have no problem with that, provided a) there are no ex parte hearings, b) they are not held
friendly_iconoclast
Mar 2018
#128
I can see the Second Amendment Foundation jumping in on such cases
friendly_iconoclast
Mar 2018
#144
I find it interesting that some here think guns are more important than food.
SunSeeker
Mar 2018
#167
It is you who is siding with the state; the ruling GOP wants no gun control.
SunSeeker
Mar 2018
#176
There are several more upthread. All that straw in one place is a fire hazard!
friendly_iconoclast
Mar 2018
#183
Kindly point out where such a sentiment was expressed. We'll wait...
friendly_iconoclast
Mar 2018
#180
When you demanded more protections for denial of gun purchases than are afforded food.
SunSeeker
Mar 2018
#184
Citizens should be afforded legal counsel in any legal (or quasi-legal) dealings with the state
friendly_iconoclast
Mar 2018
#189
That merely shows that welfare hearings are unfair, not that guns are more important than food
friendly_iconoclast
Mar 2018
#187
No, you were asserting the NICS administrative hearings I was suggesting were unconstitutional.
SunSeeker
Mar 2018
#190
You will not improve the lot of welfare recipients one iota by restricting others' rights
friendly_iconoclast
Mar 2018
#192
Due process is a "roadblock"? This isn't 'Authoritarian Underground', and your ...contributions...
friendly_iconoclast
Mar 2018
#199
Why Senate Democrats are considering holding up a gun-control bill from one of their own
sl8
Mar 2018
#14
History repeats: "Screw that 'half a loaf'! We want the whole thing, or nothing!"
friendly_iconoclast
Mar 2018
#26
NICS Fix is what is possible now. Would you prefer to "take a dive" for strategic reasons...
friendly_iconoclast
Mar 2018
#67
"As long as private sales aren't subject to background checks" I address this in post #7
friendly_iconoclast
Mar 2018
#23
Sorry, private sellers need to go through FFLs who are accountable for keeping records, etc.
Hoyt
Mar 2018
#51
Not neccessary if private sellers can use the NICS, and its use is made mandatory
friendly_iconoclast
Mar 2018
#73
Need to go through FFL who can lose their business if they don't keep records. Private sellers have
Hoyt
Mar 2018
#81
Let' run through your list....oh we don't have to because NONE were private sales.
AncientGeezer
Mar 2018
#91
"Men will walk upright now, women will smile and the children will laugh,...
friendly_iconoclast
Mar 2018
#195
No doubt, gunners are afraid of, and have no regard for, society. Time that changes.
Hoyt
Mar 2018
#197
I know damn well how gunners are. FFLs will at least do the background check correctly, not wanting
Hoyt
Mar 2018
#205
FFL's do NOT do the checks they file for checks....DOJ, specificly...ATF does the checks
AncientGeezer
Mar 2018
#207
It *was* implemented- but only made mandatory on the Federal level for gun dealers
friendly_iconoclast
Mar 2018
#24
Is there a reason you feel it's unreasonable to let a person support their local range...
moriah
Mar 2018
#92
Do you want to give local ranges/dealers a monopoly on checks? They'll still be free to do them...
friendly_iconoclast
Mar 2018
#93
They already have it, and again, I'm trying to throw the people against UBCs crumbs.
moriah
Mar 2018
#106
So-called Liberal Gun Club has only 2000 members. They lobby Democrats, pushing lax gun
Hoyt
Mar 2018
#53
If you can't get Fix NICS, you certainly can't get even more restrictive laws passed
friendly_iconoclast
Mar 2018
#74
That's no more or less than your opinion, and you are perfectly free to express it.
friendly_iconoclast
Mar 2018
#95
It is a fact. It does NOTHING to expand background checks; it does NOTHING to facilitate reporting.
SunSeeker
Mar 2018
#100
Tell that to Sandy Hook Promise, who support this- and Dianne Feinstein, who co-sponsored it:
friendly_iconoclast
Mar 2018
#105
Well, Dems will take these crumbs when it's the only game in town. Like I said, nice try. nt
SunSeeker
Mar 2018
#107
Has it occured to you that those Dem co-sponsors might actually think it would work?
friendly_iconoclast
Mar 2018
#117
Just think them as a source of photos of white gun owners, if nothing else
friendly_iconoclast
Mar 2018
#68
Well, that's pretty much what you see in the so-call Liberal Gun Club. My guess is they are just
Hoyt
Mar 2018
#82
As opposed to locking doors so cops can't get in? Who profits from that? Robbers, right?
AncientGeezer
Mar 2018
#114
"Trying to fool people into believing they are something different " An evidence-free claim...
friendly_iconoclast
Mar 2018
#119
"Few Democrats lobby legislators to promote more guns in more places." And does LGC do that?
friendly_iconoclast
Mar 2018
#148
You sought those photos out, and downloaded them. Do you only download ones with white gun owners?
friendly_iconoclast
Mar 2018
#151
Go ahead, search Under Liberal Gun Club and see what you get. Think I saw Dana Loesch.
Hoyt
Mar 2018
#191
I don't have to, since *you* made the claim- and can't back it up. As usual...
friendly_iconoclast
Mar 2018
#193
Your photo choices merely demonstrate your editorial preference, no more and no less
friendly_iconoclast
Mar 2018
#181
How about universal background checks. The real stuff, not the GOP backed fake bill
sharedvalues
Mar 2018
#59
Well then, get busy rounding up the votes. Meanwhile, spare us the "all or nothing" schtick
friendly_iconoclast
Mar 2018
#101
Tell that to Dianne Feinstein, who was one of the original co-sponsors:
friendly_iconoclast
Mar 2018
#109
This is Cornyn's baby. She just signed on. Because it's the only game in town. nt
SunSeeker
Mar 2018
#112
Then support it. There aren't the votes for a AWB, and likely won't be until 2021 at the earliest.
friendly_iconoclast
Mar 2018
#118
Then urge your Congresscritters to do both- that's the only way change will happen.
friendly_iconoclast
Mar 2018
#130
Does "working" mean "attacking the actions of your biggest supporter in Congress...
friendly_iconoclast
Mar 2018
#147
In my case, you are. Or do you presume to vet who's a Democrat, and who isn't?
friendly_iconoclast
Mar 2018
#182
I did not call you my "Opposition" or brag about doing "Opposition Research" on you.
SunSeeker
Mar 2018
#185
"We're all supposed to be on the same team" 'This team' has many, MANY factions...
friendly_iconoclast
Mar 2018
#194
Assault rifle bans are security theater inspired by moral panics...
friendly_iconoclast
Mar 2018
#212
They're using children to promote a moral panic, and we've seen the like before:
friendly_iconoclast
Mar 2018
#213