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BigmanPigman

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87. Word for word what I know and believe to be true.

Sun Feb 25, 2018, 07:28 PM

Feb 2018

From his daughters' emails asking, "Why is Dad suddenly so cheap?" to what I have heard from matter-of-fact pundits who say that Manafort knows Putin's pals will kill him and that's why he is remaining silent. Witness protection or killing himself are his only options. If he goes to jail he could easily be killed there too. I have seen Goodfellas enough times to know this is no game he is playing. I hope all his assets are seized and his family is left with peanuts like Madoff's was.

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John Dean: If Gates testifies Manafort acted w/ Trump's blessing, that's the end of his presidency [View all] highplainsdem Feb 2018 OP

I still think the fucking republicans will do NOTHING! liberal N proud Feb 2018 #1

I Think So, Too Leith Feb 2018 #14

I have to say that I agree, too, more's the pity Rhiannon12866 Feb 2018 #27

and I believe azureblue Feb 2018 #62

No, the charges are too serious. He will have to be impeached or resign... Demsrule86 Feb 2018 #37

But only if Congress will impeach or force him to resign. Dark n Stormy Knight Feb 2018 #70

"An while Rs are in power, I don't see that happening" mitch96 Feb 2018 #76

I could see it happening if the midterms go badly and Mueller finds proof of collusion...I think Demsrule86 Feb 2018 #79

If midterms go badly for Reps, Dems could take power and impeach Trump. Liberty Belle Feb 2018 #81

You do understand that impeachment has no effect unless it is followed by conviction in the Senate Demsrule86 Feb 2018 #82

Clinton Lied About Sex SoCalMusicLover Feb 2018 #85

The process would be the same... if Clinton had been convicted in the Senate, he would have been Demsrule86 Feb 2018 #88

After Nixon was forced to surrender the incriminating tapes,,,, lastlib Feb 2018 #80

Which is why . . . peggysue2 Feb 2018 #54

THIS!!! ThisthisthisthisthisthisTHIS!!! calimary Feb 2018 #75

Yes, vote every time Paleologue Feb 2018 #83

I have a good friend who didn't vote in the last pres. election... CTyankee Feb 2018 #84

Yep. It "Should" be the end, but it wouldn't be. bitterross Feb 2018 #58

Outside of the many pazzyanne Feb 2018 #63

That collusion will be framed by Mueller as... Eyeball_Kid Feb 2018 #60

Agreed. I believe they'll do nothing. area51 Feb 2018 #71

I think so, too. I think some of them are on the Russian payroll. Honeycombe8 Feb 2018 #89

Believe it when I see it lame54 Feb 2018 #2

Yeah, Dean must know these russian agents Cha Feb 2018 #22

Nothing more unreliable than a Trump prediction lame54 Feb 2018 #95

Makes no sense based on time-line of alleged crimes quartz007 Feb 2018 #3

Many of these charges will translate to state charges. mjvpi Feb 2018 #8

Paulie Walnuts is 68. Any jail time from trial means that he'll die in prison. Eyeball_Kid Feb 2018 #61

Or he could flip on Trump and get out in +/-5 years FakeNoose Feb 2018 #92

Not in the most recent indictment marylandblue Feb 2018 #13

Please see #48 quartz007 Feb 2018 #49

Timeline isn't all that critical here jmowreader Feb 2018 #19

Actually, you need to listen to Rachel Maddow's Friday show womanofthehills Feb 2018 #24

Forget Manafort, Charge tRump before mid-terms. quartz007 Feb 2018 #48

I think it's possible Trump will be charged by summer marylandblue Feb 2018 #50

Manafort flips and gets witness protection (which he desperately needs) or... Eyeball_Kid Feb 2018 #57

Word for word what I know and believe to be true. BigmanPigman Feb 2018 #87

They are going to charge him for this yet Cosmocat Feb 2018 #36

Charge the MF BEFORE mid-terms!!! quartz007 Feb 2018 #47

That is not true....there is money given by the Russians during the campaign... Demsrule86 Feb 2018 #39

If true, why Mueller is keeping it under wraps? quartz007 Feb 2018 #46

Maybe he want to be sure he has an air-tight case before charging? Ligyron Feb 2018 #52

Perhaps the plan was for Manafort to be temporary. Delmette2.0 Feb 2018 #55

Yes D_Master81 Feb 2018 #4

Yes, more shoes still to drop from this centipede onetexan Feb 2018 #5

There is no low bar for Republicans. They. Will. Stop. At. Nothing...to keep power. johnnyrocket Feb 2018 #6

yup Chipper Chat Feb 2018 #7

This is true...but somethings cannot be overlooked. conspiracy against the government being one. Demsrule86 Feb 2018 #40

I agree. This has always been the end game. If someone says Trump gave them orders Renew Deal Feb 2018 #9

Only if the Republicans agree that it's game over and they aren't going to do that. Kablooie Feb 2018 #26

We will MFM008 Feb 2018 #28

Even if Democrats get the House and Senate, it is not possible that there will enough Democratic Demsrule86 Feb 2018 #41

Fail. Senate will never convict the Orange bastard. Le Gaucher Feb 2018 #10

Yes they will. It will be at some point in their best interest. Demsrule86 Feb 2018 #42

I will make $200 donation to DU if Cheeto is EVER impeached & convicted Le Gaucher Feb 2018 #59

So you won't donate to DU if 45 isn't impeached? eggplant Feb 2018 #65

I already donate .. The 200 will be over and above. Le Gaucher Feb 2018 #67

Add forced to resign (very likely option) and 25th amendment. Demsrule86 Feb 2018 #66

"Blessing" isn't even required Takket Feb 2018 #11

Unless there is a smoking gun, no. onenote Feb 2018 #12

Smoking gun? The whole house is on fire! marylandblue Feb 2018 #15

I was responding to the specific point in the OP. onenote Feb 2018 #16

It won't be Gates' "word" against Manafort's PJMcK Feb 2018 #34

Again, I was responding to what Dean said. And hard evidence would be a "smoking gun" onenote Feb 2018 #35

Yes. A ton of evidence against all the bums in this scheme. Grammy23 Feb 2018 #51

Pretty confident John Dean, of all people, would have taken all scenarios into consideration BamaRefugee Feb 2018 #17

One voice Itrust, John Dean. mountain grammy Feb 2018 #18

After Rs are wiped out in the 2018 election those left will jump ship and fast Pepsidog Feb 2018 #20

Yes, I think so too. Silver1 Feb 2018 #93

Excellent observation. Pepsidog Feb 2018 #94

I'm glad you think so Pepsidog. Silver1 Feb 2018 #96

K&R Scurrilous Feb 2018 #21

Post removed Post removed Feb 2018 #23

In a normal world that would be the end but not this world. Kablooie Feb 2018 #25

He can't pardon state charges...and that would spell the end for Republicans. Demsrule86 Feb 2018 #43

and now for your musical interlude ... dweller Feb 2018 #29

Sorry, but... Mike Nelson Feb 2018 #30

There is no chance we will get enough Senate seats for a conviction in November. In fact we are Demsrule86 Feb 2018 #44

I agree... Mike Nelson Feb 2018 #72

I would hope that would happen...and if they lost badly and Trump was shown as I believe Demsrule86 Feb 2018 #78

Once they have evidence that any person can see its game over Backwoodsrider Feb 2018 #31

While there is a possibility of the House impeaching Trump, there is also little no_hypocrisy Feb 2018 #32

And pence knew and did nothing. Ilsa Feb 2018 #33

I disagree. Even if collusion is proven in this hyper-partisan environment, the Republicans will do Oneironaut Feb 2018 #38

Yes, Americans would care that their president conspited with a foreign government to steal Demsrule86 Feb 2018 #45

He said Republicans, not Americans Takket Feb 2018 #53

The idea that a control freak like trump didn't know? Turbineguy Feb 2018 #56

Well, if the sitting president is an indicted felon and traitor .. ananda Feb 2018 #64

I find "President Pence" scary too. StTimofEdenRoc Feb 2018 #68

My hope is that what is taking Mueller so long Mr.Bill Feb 2018 #69

Yah, since this is the year of the dog, I hope Mueller is a blood hound. StTimofEdenRoc Feb 2018 #73

I'm convinced Manafort is the link blue-wave Feb 2018 #74

Hal Sparks Chicago public radio says Mueller will force dodart to resign... willingly Thekaspervote Feb 2018 #77

I suspect the severity of the charges will dictate how far Enoki33 Feb 2018 #86

Its going to need more than just testimony its going to need proof because otherwise cstanleytech Feb 2018 #90

With the current House and Senate? TexasBushwhacker Feb 2018 #91