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Hortensis

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17. Absolutely. The Repub congress is much farther right
Sun Feb 25, 2018, 02:58 PM
Feb 2018

than the Repub electorate in ideology. This has been proven again and again by examination of voting records against polls. The Repub senate only somewhat overlaps the far right of the conservative electorate, while the Repub house doesn't at all. Bizarre, but there aren't enough ultrawealthy extremists in the electorate to show on graphs, and they're who're driving this.

For some time they've been starting to feel that, and after all, both the tea party and Trump were attempts at rebellion.

Unfortunately, what they have not learned from experience is that Democrats are not their big enemy and most are still intractably opposed to us. The ones who are able to join with us to stop what's happening, though, are national treasures. We're big on hugging here in the South, and if I see one in person I may give in to impulse.

Mona, you can cry, cry, cry -- but you helped get him elected. So. live with it. nt NCjack Feb 2018 #1
I'm happy with every convert. Every Republican who decides to vote for Democrats no matter what pnwmom Feb 2018 #2
It is a personal opinion, but I think you are Ferrets are Cool Feb 2018 #7
There are a number who are urging it. If they are openly telling others to do so, pnwmom Feb 2018 #14
I welcome anyone who criticizes Trump louis c Feb 2018 #27
limbaugh will straighten her out on monday certainot Feb 2018 #40
LOL pangaia Feb 2018 #76
The time for "debating" policy is long past Paleologue Feb 2018 #54
I believe that Mona wants to revise the GOP to be slightly left of Trump. That is, she likes NCjack Feb 2018 #63
First, throw out Trump and his enablers... louis c Feb 2018 #64
It's a positive step when they won't vote for a tRump or a tRump-licker like Paul Ryan. . . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Feb 2018 #33
I, too, welcome ANY criticism of the PGIC. Ferrets are Cool Feb 2018 #42
You are right on the details but wrong on the bigger picture grantcart Feb 2018 #47
If we vote, we win Cary Feb 2018 #50
A former republican congressman, circa 2010-2014. Blue_true Feb 2018 #69
Every conservative activist who gives up in disgust is welcome to do so DBoon Feb 2018 #29
Have you heard of what Benjamin Wittes is trying to do? n/t pnwmom Feb 2018 #32
No, sorry DBoon Feb 2018 #37
He's a centrist founder of the Lawfare blog, and he's organizing a group of R's to pledge pnwmom Feb 2018 #43
Yes. I don't think true republican conservatives have any choice but to vote with us. Blue_true Feb 2018 #67
I agree. Zoonart Feb 2018 #3
So far, the only time she speaks out is when Trump says or does something bad about a spooky3 Feb 2018 #44
That realization is coming home to lots of more traditional Republicans. MineralMan Feb 2018 #4
They knew he was a snake before they took him in. gibraltar72 Feb 2018 #5
Yes. But people who survive a venomous snake bite MineralMan Feb 2018 #8
Absolutely. The Repub congress is much farther right Hortensis Feb 2018 #17
Yup. If someone is moving in our direction, give them a hand and MineralMan Feb 2018 #20
Yup, yup, yup. Save partisan indulgences for Hortensis Feb 2018 #21
The teapary or freedumb contingent are ignorant racists who got involved to Eliot Rosewater Feb 2018 #55
This from you, Eliot? Nonsense, even for the worst of them. Hortensis Feb 2018 #57
What? Eliot Rosewater Feb 2018 #60
Comeon, that's too simplistic for you, surely? Hortensis Feb 2018 #62
I think this is true. volstork Feb 2018 #31
A lot of republicans who had concerns about Trump Blue_true Feb 2018 #71
I so hope you are correct. volstork Feb 2018 #73
I hope that I am correct to, but we can't let voting get to a case where our backs are Blue_true Feb 2018 #75
Absolutely. volstork Feb 2018 #80
I still have trouble thinking of their current drive as being to the "Right" as we know it. Pope George Ringo II Feb 2018 #56
A lot of republicans have long family histories of being republican. Blue_true Feb 2018 #70
She wants her conservatives to be crazy, just not bat-shit crazy. nm Ferrets are Cool Feb 2018 #6
Sorry, but for her just figuring this out now is beyond rediculous. madinmaryland Feb 2018 #9
She is in denial. Conservatives have used hate and identity politics for decades sharedvalues Feb 2018 #10
Kinda like Michael Steele being shocked shocked that CPAC was racist. gibraltar72 Feb 2018 #11
Its really a sign conservatives are just more poorly educated sharedvalues Feb 2018 #12
Yet Steele backed Ed Gillespie, and didn't criticize him when he went down the racist road. OnDoutside Feb 2018 #22
At this point in time . . peggysue2 Feb 2018 #13
+1000. n/t pnwmom Feb 2018 #15
That is true, but I would like MSM to push them on what exactly "Conservatism" is. If Trump wasn't OnDoutside Feb 2018 #26
I don't like Pence or peggysue2 Feb 2018 #35
No argument on that score. OnDoutside Feb 2018 #59
Totally agree. Silver1 Feb 2018 #34
Well said. RandomAccess Feb 2018 #68
Thanks. Silver1 Feb 2018 #78
I don't think anyone will recognize you, RandomAccess Feb 2018 #79
I hope they ALL turn on Trumpy and soon! FM123 Feb 2018 #16
So you are a republican conservative? BSdetect Feb 2018 #18
Sad truth sharedvalues Feb 2018 #23
They didn't "out" him while campaigning because they ALL took russian dirty money. lindysalsagal Feb 2018 #19
Cit U and dark money are the root problem Nm sharedvalues Feb 2018 #24
Thank you Mona Charen. You are on the right side of History today. riversedge Feb 2018 #25
There is no "Trumpism", Mona. Your party is doing exactly what you built it to do. JHB Feb 2018 #28
There is a direct line from Nixon to Trump DBoon Feb 2018 #30
There's a direct line from 1952 conservatives.. JHB Feb 2018 #39
Precisely! paleotn Feb 2018 #48
Mona appears to be at Step 1 of 12. She acknowledges her political life has become unmanageable. Marcuse Feb 2018 #36
I'll drink to that! nolabels Feb 2018 #66
Who built that fire, Mona? czarjak Feb 2018 #38
I've been waiting and waiting for this. nt LAS14 Feb 2018 #41
"So you'd think." Beartracks Feb 2018 #45
She's upset.... paleotn Feb 2018 #46
K&R... spanone Feb 2018 #49
She's a woman, so it will be easier for them to dismiss her as easily corruptable ehrnst Feb 2018 #51
"fools, frauds and fascists" and felons William Seger Feb 2018 #52
Mona Charen, exposing some decent instincts. That's how bad trump has made things. (nt) Paladin Feb 2018 #53
Boo freaking hoo to all of the right wing lunatics like Charen Paleologue Feb 2018 #58
you planted the seeds..you own the fruit dembotoz Feb 2018 #61
She and her fellow conservatives turned the GOP from the party of... JHB Feb 2018 #74
She and other conservatives. Blue_true Feb 2018 #65
of course she got booed and escorted out. She had an extremely rare bout of brief truth telling mnmoderatedem Feb 2018 #72
Well said, Mona.. too bad you don't tell the truth Cha Feb 2018 #77
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