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quaker bill

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95. I would not possess a firearm
Thu Jul 26, 2012, 07:33 PM
Jul 2012

Not because I have a problem with hunting, or shooting sports. I have done both in my past.

I would not possess a firearm because I refuse to be part of a subculture that holds this to be a civil right. It may be the law as recently re-interpreted by a republican supreme court. I unconcerned about what they deem to be legal. A great many things are entirely legal, but have stupid written all over them.

It is apparently your constitutional right, as interpreted by this court, to build your house on the beach where the next hurricane will assuredly rip it apart and send it ashore as wind borne shrapnel to damage and injure others, and it is "unconstitutional" for government to interfere with you doing so in any way.

I will not partake of a "right" that costs this many innocent lives. It is a personal opinion and a personal choice, and I clearly have the constitutional right to it, every bit as much as you have the RKBA. When the day comes that the court finally re-interprets the 2nd amendment, I will not be among the protestors.

TAX THE AMMO!!! [View all] gopiscrap Jul 2012 OP
That would be just as unconstitutional as a poll tax. badtoworse Jul 2012 #1
Bullshit gopiscrap Jul 2012 #3
No, you're wrong. See Minneapolis Star & Tribune Co. v. Minnesota Commissioner of Revenue, 1983 benEzra Jul 2012 #13
There is a tax on cigarettes Aerows Jul 2012 #30
When SCOTUS comes out with a ruling SickOfTheOnePct Jul 2012 #37
But if the tax is % (like sales-tax), then producers and vendors are responsible for the costs. DetlefK Jul 2012 #54
The effect of the tax is the issue, not the manner in which it is levied. badtoworse Jul 2012 #57
But the government would be free of any responsibility. DetlefK Jul 2012 #67
An across the board sales tax, i.e. one that applied to everything would be OK. badtoworse Jul 2012 #68
YES! FarPoint Jul 2012 #51
Ammunition is freedom of speech? RC Jul 2012 #69
Ammunition is to the 2ndA what printer's ink is to the 1stA, so the precedent is relevant. benEzra Jul 2012 #72
Just levy the tax on any round NOT FIRED IN SELF-DEFENSE or defense of another person. lastlib Jul 2012 #82
That would be like saying the 1stA protects published speech, but not unpublished speech, I think. benEzra Jul 2012 #93
Thinking like that would effectively hand over control to repubs. Pacafishmate Jul 2012 #109
You mean like cigarets? RC Jul 2012 #88
Come On Now - What About The Taxes On Cigarettes...... global1 Jul 2012 #11
The issue would be the 2nd Amendment NickB79 Jul 2012 #15
Not when the purpose of the tax is to restrict a Constitutional right. hack89 Jul 2012 #20
Doesn't pass the bullshit test Major Nikon Jul 2012 #96
The OP is proposing an ammo tax for the express purpose of restricting access hack89 Jul 2012 #98
I didn't see anything in the OP about restricting access Major Nikon Jul 2012 #99
How does a victim fund "protect folks"? hack89 Jul 2012 #100
So what do you think $400 to register a gun does? Major Nikon Jul 2012 #101
Onerous fees and elaborate hoops (made intentionally worse by govt).. X_Digger Jul 2012 #102
Those fees have been deemed constitutional in court - I have no problem with them. nt hack89 Jul 2012 #103
So call it a bullet fee Major Nikon Jul 2012 #104
It is a pure commercial transaction - I am not buying anything from the government. hack89 Jul 2012 #105
It's already explained in the OP Major Nikon Jul 2012 #106
So it has to be a small enough amount so as to not make ammo too expensive hack89 Jul 2012 #107
Assault ammo isn't as dangerous as cigarettes. n/t 2on2u Jul 2012 #53
Bullshit, badtoworse catbyte Jul 2012 #26
True SickOfTheOnePct Jul 2012 #29
Do you have anything to back up that statement. Or did you pull it out of your assets? I say bullsh rhett o rick Jul 2012 #31
Poll taxes were used to prevent a class of citizens from exercising the civil right to vote badtoworse Jul 2012 #43
Bullets are votes?... lame54 Jul 2012 #58
Access to them is one of your civil rights and the OP's tax would restrict that right. badtoworse Jul 2012 #60
don't confuse bullets with guns lame54 Jul 2012 #70
The 2nd Amendment refers to arms, not bullets or guns badtoworse Jul 2012 #73
ban the ammo. ileus Jul 2012 #2
And 10 seconds later the Democratic party would be voted out of every part of government NickB79 Jul 2012 #8
not to mention every locality were people own guns from school boards to dogcatcher loli phabay Jul 2012 #10
But we'd all be safe from their bullets. ileus Jul 2012 #23
No, we wouldn't NickB79 Jul 2012 #25
You are soo right. We must just lay down and let the gun crazies shot up our families. rhett o rick Jul 2012 #32
You are sooo right. We need to enact policies that accomplish nothing and hand over all control joeglow3 Jul 2012 #64
That's what the gun "enthusiasts" would have us believe. Everything we rhett o rick Jul 2012 #74
That's what history has shown us NickB79 Jul 2012 #77
So you are saying we are afraid of the gun crazies. We give up our principles rhett o rick Jul 2012 #90
No, we need to find intelligent solutions to these problems NickB79 Jul 2012 #75
We have one group that in my estimation, is a majority saying we need more control rhett o rick Jul 2012 #89
Sure. HappyMe Jul 2012 #4
Tend to agree with that gopiscrap Jul 2012 #5
It already is, in several ways NickB79 Jul 2012 #6
Let's Protect The Wildlife So We Have Enough Around For Target Practice..... global1 Jul 2012 #12
Okay atreides1 Jul 2012 #7
Sounds good justanidea Jul 2012 #9
You cant be series. Maybe we should give more people guns and make it manditory rhett o rick Jul 2012 #33
I don't tend to favor mandatory purchases of any market good or service TheKentuckian Jul 2012 #44
They'd go naked and hungry in order to buy ammo. n/t TheCowsCameHome Jul 2012 #14
Of course, government employees would be exempt from the proposed ammunition tax slackmaster Jul 2012 #16
You seem to enjoy our consternation. Shame on us for trying to protect ourselves rhett o rick Jul 2012 #34
It's likely that many things in your life pose a far greater risk than violent crime does slackmaster Jul 2012 #39
hmmm Troy Cookin with Gas Jul 2012 #17
The VA Tech shooter used a .22 rimfire handgun NickB79 Jul 2012 #19
He didn't have time to practice. julian09 Jul 2012 #83
I agree. It's a waste of resources to be firing weapons for the fun of it... Comrade_McKenzie Jul 2012 #18
You need to practice regularly to shoot a weapon effectively NickB79 Jul 2012 #22
So the shooter in Colorado would have worried about expensive ammo???? Jesus, really? n-t Logical Jul 2012 #21
...and create a thriving black market similar to the one for drugs. Lizzie Poppet Jul 2012 #24
One more reason this won't work dmallind Jul 2012 #27
Chris Rock on taxing ammo krhines Jul 2012 #28
Perfect..... FarPoint Jul 2012 #52
And we're supposed to believe Chris Rock? permatex Jul 2012 #56
The only thing I disagree with here is your low-ball suggestions for the more powerful caliber calimary Jul 2012 #35
So you would make it so that only the 1% could own guns? nt justanidea Jul 2012 #38
Frankly, my dear, if it were up to me, I'd make it so that hardly ANYBODY could own calimary Jul 2012 #42
Even if your proposal would've worked to save lives justanidea Jul 2012 #45
Only a tyrant to those who just HAVE TO HAVE those fucking hand-held weapons of mass destruction. calimary Jul 2012 #48
This should be an OP, Calimary. 99Forever Jul 2012 #61
BRAVO!! BRAVO!! BRAVO!! x1E50!! lastlib Jul 2012 #85
Not sure where you're getting your information, but... KarlHungus08 Jul 2012 #108
beautiful rant, calimary! I couldn't agree more but with the words and passion you put forth. CTyankee Jul 2012 #79
That won't protect anyone. jp11 Jul 2012 #36
at the very least then.... gopiscrap Jul 2012 #40
I'd suggest taxing guns too. backscatter712 Jul 2012 #41
Annually quaker bill Jul 2012 #46
As long as we're taxing Constitutional rights... justanidea Jul 2012 #47
Well quaker bill Jul 2012 #49
What's a "full arsenal"? badtoworse Jul 2012 #55
Whatever sales taxes are where you live. quaker bill Jul 2012 #92
Taxing civil rights is different than taxing anything else badtoworse Jul 2012 #94
I would not possess a firearm quaker bill Jul 2012 #95
That is entirely up to you. Good discussion, though. badtoworse Jul 2012 #97
Poll taxes weren't considered "prohibitive" either slackmaster Jul 2012 #65
A tax specifically for something covered in the constitution 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #63
Because every firearm can be organized into Military and civillian IvanKilmensky Nov 2012 #110
Firearms and Ammo are already taxed 20% in my area belcffub Jul 2012 #50
not even close DrDan Jul 2012 #78
to what belcffub Jul 2012 #91
It is taxed. krispos42 Jul 2012 #59
It would also spawn a blackmarket. Remmah2 Jul 2012 #66
of course not - perhaps a couple of bucks gets closer DrDan Jul 2012 #80
If you were planning a killing spree that would leave you dead or in jail for the rest of your life 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #62
Like taxing printer's ink and paper? X_Digger Jul 2012 #71
repeal second ammendment and citizens united at same time. julian09 Jul 2012 #84
You know that repealing the second amendment wouldn't remove the right, correct? X_Digger Jul 2012 #86
The rich people will thank you - now only govt and rich will have these things The Straight Story Jul 2012 #76
x1E28! K & R! lastlib Jul 2012 #81
That's Ridiculous... -..__... Jul 2012 #87
HOW ABOUT I TAX YOUR WEED IvanKilmensky Nov 2012 #111
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