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Remmah2

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66. It would also spawn a blackmarket.
Wed Jul 25, 2012, 09:43 AM
Jul 2012

There would be theft from untaxed government ammunition supplies by criminals as well as theft by government employees.

TAX THE AMMO!!! [View all] gopiscrap Jul 2012 OP
That would be just as unconstitutional as a poll tax. badtoworse Jul 2012 #1
Bullshit gopiscrap Jul 2012 #3
No, you're wrong. See Minneapolis Star & Tribune Co. v. Minnesota Commissioner of Revenue, 1983 benEzra Jul 2012 #13
There is a tax on cigarettes Aerows Jul 2012 #30
When SCOTUS comes out with a ruling SickOfTheOnePct Jul 2012 #37
But if the tax is % (like sales-tax), then producers and vendors are responsible for the costs. DetlefK Jul 2012 #54
The effect of the tax is the issue, not the manner in which it is levied. badtoworse Jul 2012 #57
But the government would be free of any responsibility. DetlefK Jul 2012 #67
An across the board sales tax, i.e. one that applied to everything would be OK. badtoworse Jul 2012 #68
YES! FarPoint Jul 2012 #51
Ammunition is freedom of speech? RC Jul 2012 #69
Ammunition is to the 2ndA what printer's ink is to the 1stA, so the precedent is relevant. benEzra Jul 2012 #72
Just levy the tax on any round NOT FIRED IN SELF-DEFENSE or defense of another person. lastlib Jul 2012 #82
That would be like saying the 1stA protects published speech, but not unpublished speech, I think. benEzra Jul 2012 #93
Thinking like that would effectively hand over control to repubs. Pacafishmate Jul 2012 #109
You mean like cigarets? RC Jul 2012 #88
Come On Now - What About The Taxes On Cigarettes...... global1 Jul 2012 #11
The issue would be the 2nd Amendment NickB79 Jul 2012 #15
Not when the purpose of the tax is to restrict a Constitutional right. hack89 Jul 2012 #20
Doesn't pass the bullshit test Major Nikon Jul 2012 #96
The OP is proposing an ammo tax for the express purpose of restricting access hack89 Jul 2012 #98
I didn't see anything in the OP about restricting access Major Nikon Jul 2012 #99
How does a victim fund "protect folks"? hack89 Jul 2012 #100
So what do you think $400 to register a gun does? Major Nikon Jul 2012 #101
Onerous fees and elaborate hoops (made intentionally worse by govt).. X_Digger Jul 2012 #102
Those fees have been deemed constitutional in court - I have no problem with them. nt hack89 Jul 2012 #103
So call it a bullet fee Major Nikon Jul 2012 #104
It is a pure commercial transaction - I am not buying anything from the government. hack89 Jul 2012 #105
It's already explained in the OP Major Nikon Jul 2012 #106
So it has to be a small enough amount so as to not make ammo too expensive hack89 Jul 2012 #107
Assault ammo isn't as dangerous as cigarettes. n/t 2on2u Jul 2012 #53
Bullshit, badtoworse catbyte Jul 2012 #26
True SickOfTheOnePct Jul 2012 #29
Do you have anything to back up that statement. Or did you pull it out of your assets? I say bullsh rhett o rick Jul 2012 #31
Poll taxes were used to prevent a class of citizens from exercising the civil right to vote badtoworse Jul 2012 #43
Bullets are votes?... lame54 Jul 2012 #58
Access to them is one of your civil rights and the OP's tax would restrict that right. badtoworse Jul 2012 #60
don't confuse bullets with guns lame54 Jul 2012 #70
The 2nd Amendment refers to arms, not bullets or guns badtoworse Jul 2012 #73
ban the ammo. ileus Jul 2012 #2
And 10 seconds later the Democratic party would be voted out of every part of government NickB79 Jul 2012 #8
not to mention every locality were people own guns from school boards to dogcatcher loli phabay Jul 2012 #10
But we'd all be safe from their bullets. ileus Jul 2012 #23
No, we wouldn't NickB79 Jul 2012 #25
You are soo right. We must just lay down and let the gun crazies shot up our families. rhett o rick Jul 2012 #32
You are sooo right. We need to enact policies that accomplish nothing and hand over all control joeglow3 Jul 2012 #64
That's what the gun "enthusiasts" would have us believe. Everything we rhett o rick Jul 2012 #74
That's what history has shown us NickB79 Jul 2012 #77
So you are saying we are afraid of the gun crazies. We give up our principles rhett o rick Jul 2012 #90
No, we need to find intelligent solutions to these problems NickB79 Jul 2012 #75
We have one group that in my estimation, is a majority saying we need more control rhett o rick Jul 2012 #89
Sure. HappyMe Jul 2012 #4
Tend to agree with that gopiscrap Jul 2012 #5
It already is, in several ways NickB79 Jul 2012 #6
Let's Protect The Wildlife So We Have Enough Around For Target Practice..... global1 Jul 2012 #12
Okay atreides1 Jul 2012 #7
Sounds good justanidea Jul 2012 #9
You cant be series. Maybe we should give more people guns and make it manditory rhett o rick Jul 2012 #33
I don't tend to favor mandatory purchases of any market good or service TheKentuckian Jul 2012 #44
They'd go naked and hungry in order to buy ammo. n/t TheCowsCameHome Jul 2012 #14
Of course, government employees would be exempt from the proposed ammunition tax slackmaster Jul 2012 #16
You seem to enjoy our consternation. Shame on us for trying to protect ourselves rhett o rick Jul 2012 #34
It's likely that many things in your life pose a far greater risk than violent crime does slackmaster Jul 2012 #39
hmmm Troy Cookin with Gas Jul 2012 #17
The VA Tech shooter used a .22 rimfire handgun NickB79 Jul 2012 #19
He didn't have time to practice. julian09 Jul 2012 #83
I agree. It's a waste of resources to be firing weapons for the fun of it... Comrade_McKenzie Jul 2012 #18
You need to practice regularly to shoot a weapon effectively NickB79 Jul 2012 #22
So the shooter in Colorado would have worried about expensive ammo???? Jesus, really? n-t Logical Jul 2012 #21
...and create a thriving black market similar to the one for drugs. Lizzie Poppet Jul 2012 #24
One more reason this won't work dmallind Jul 2012 #27
Chris Rock on taxing ammo krhines Jul 2012 #28
Perfect..... FarPoint Jul 2012 #52
And we're supposed to believe Chris Rock? permatex Jul 2012 #56
The only thing I disagree with here is your low-ball suggestions for the more powerful caliber calimary Jul 2012 #35
So you would make it so that only the 1% could own guns? nt justanidea Jul 2012 #38
Frankly, my dear, if it were up to me, I'd make it so that hardly ANYBODY could own calimary Jul 2012 #42
Even if your proposal would've worked to save lives justanidea Jul 2012 #45
Only a tyrant to those who just HAVE TO HAVE those fucking hand-held weapons of mass destruction. calimary Jul 2012 #48
This should be an OP, Calimary. 99Forever Jul 2012 #61
BRAVO!! BRAVO!! BRAVO!! x1E50!! lastlib Jul 2012 #85
Not sure where you're getting your information, but... KarlHungus08 Jul 2012 #108
beautiful rant, calimary! I couldn't agree more but with the words and passion you put forth. CTyankee Jul 2012 #79
That won't protect anyone. jp11 Jul 2012 #36
at the very least then.... gopiscrap Jul 2012 #40
I'd suggest taxing guns too. backscatter712 Jul 2012 #41
Annually quaker bill Jul 2012 #46
As long as we're taxing Constitutional rights... justanidea Jul 2012 #47
Well quaker bill Jul 2012 #49
What's a "full arsenal"? badtoworse Jul 2012 #55
Whatever sales taxes are where you live. quaker bill Jul 2012 #92
Taxing civil rights is different than taxing anything else badtoworse Jul 2012 #94
I would not possess a firearm quaker bill Jul 2012 #95
That is entirely up to you. Good discussion, though. badtoworse Jul 2012 #97
Poll taxes weren't considered "prohibitive" either slackmaster Jul 2012 #65
A tax specifically for something covered in the constitution 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #63
Because every firearm can be organized into Military and civillian IvanKilmensky Nov 2012 #110
Firearms and Ammo are already taxed 20% in my area belcffub Jul 2012 #50
not even close DrDan Jul 2012 #78
to what belcffub Jul 2012 #91
It is taxed. krispos42 Jul 2012 #59
It would also spawn a blackmarket. Remmah2 Jul 2012 #66
of course not - perhaps a couple of bucks gets closer DrDan Jul 2012 #80
If you were planning a killing spree that would leave you dead or in jail for the rest of your life 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #62
Like taxing printer's ink and paper? X_Digger Jul 2012 #71
repeal second ammendment and citizens united at same time. julian09 Jul 2012 #84
You know that repealing the second amendment wouldn't remove the right, correct? X_Digger Jul 2012 #86
The rich people will thank you - now only govt and rich will have these things The Straight Story Jul 2012 #76
x1E28! K & R! lastlib Jul 2012 #81
That's Ridiculous... -..__... Jul 2012 #87
HOW ABOUT I TAX YOUR WEED IvanKilmensky Nov 2012 #111
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