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haele

(12,758 posts)
93. Question? Who's going to hire someone who's mentally f****d up they'd rather be an addict?
Sun Dec 31, 2017, 11:48 PM
Dec 2017

Last edited Mon Jan 1, 2018, 12:56 AM - Edit history (1)

Seriously. I've worked with struggling tweakers before - the ones who were lucky enough not to have a record.
They can get clean enough to be hired, but once they slide -and they will, as soon as something becomes critical, you must get rid of them or they'll blow the whole job to shit, and you and your project ends up losing everything - including any reputation your company might have had as a reliable partner.
Seriously, the people who scam to get on to SSDI or spend their lives working under the table - for whatever emotional or attitude reasons - are not the types who are going to be able to hold down a regular job as an employee or a legit (as in record-keeping and tax paying) businessman or contractor who can maintain any of the recognized ways to make a living.
And even if they "laugh at people who pay taxes", they're just lying to themselves; they need those taxpayers to support any standard of living they currently have.
These are people who would otherwise end up living -and dying- in some shitty RV in the desert, or spend their lives in and out of jail or on surfing couches to avoid the street they will inevitably otherwise end up on. SSDI is cheaper to the taxpayer than ERs and local jails.
They're not going to "come to their senses" just because they lose government assistance. They're living in a downward spiral they believe is their fate.

On edit -
Even though one person out of 300 million in this country may know one or two people who are scamming the system, you're still looking at maybe one out of 300 people receiving benefits who might "not deserve" them in Marsha Blackburn's world. But "Deserving" is a loaded adjective, especially when talking about possible neighbors or people with hidden disabilities - especially emotionally based ones. One person's unbearable pain is another's - or a younger's minor inconvenience.
Do we ruin the slim chances at a bearable existence for a hundred or so families just because one damaged, selfish asshole only feels empowered by gaming the system, because there's little else they are capable of doing that satisfies them?
If the scammer is only getting Medicaid from his or her petty games - because that and a couple tanks of gas about all SSDI might get them, it's a mighty poor scam for the effort - 'specially since only 20% of SSDI applications get approved first time around.
Now, if you're talking Workers Comp fraud... That's a State issue, and a much larger problem than SSDI fraud.

Haele

How do you detemine who "deserves" ClarendonDem Dec 2017 #1
Their argument will be that wealthy people don't deserve it... brooklynite Dec 2017 #43
How Rich Is Rich? ProfessorGAC Jan 2018 #114
Everyone who pays into it... paleotn Dec 2017 #51
That was my thought ClarendonDem Dec 2017 #54
It's worse. Grins Dec 2017 #70
That first paragraph I kind of don't agree with burnbaby Jan 2018 #101
And who decides who "deserves" them? NastyRiffraff Dec 2017 #71
It will work something like this. airplaneman Dec 2017 #73
Easy angrychair Dec 2017 #82
Death panels, of course. dchill Jan 2018 #97
They are switching in mid argument from Social Security to Medicare/Medicaid Farmer-Rick Jan 2018 #108
Translation: White Christian fundies only. muntrv Dec 2017 #2
Blackburn is another evil and stupid rethig gohuskies Dec 2017 #3
There is another kind? n/t rzemanfl Dec 2017 #79
Blackburn is another member of the "Death Panel, Starving and Dying in the Streets democratisphere Dec 2017 #4
BS! Simple solution... BigmanPigman Dec 2017 #5
"You do it by making the system more efficient, ..." William Seger Dec 2017 #28
Yes, there are many drawing SSDI that really should not, but where do you start weeding those out? tonyt53 Dec 2017 #6
SSDI has become the welfare replacement. roamer65 Dec 2017 #15
And you know this how EXACTLY? hedda_foil Dec 2017 #19
statistics handmade34 Dec 2017 #52
Yep. And the highest levels of disability recipients are in red states. SunSeeker Dec 2017 #58
from the article handmade34 Dec 2017 #63
Yep. nt SunSeeker Dec 2017 #64
Answers that question angrychair Dec 2017 #87
All of the top 10 are red states. GoCubsGo Jan 2018 #106
These graphs may not show what you think they do. VMA131Marine Dec 2017 #61
possibly handmade34 Dec 2017 #65
An older population will have more sick and disabled people below the normal retirement age VMA131Marine Dec 2017 #72
a bit dated chart (2012) but interesting handmade34 Dec 2017 #77
Aging boomers definitely have been a bump in disability generally Pope George Ringo II Jan 2018 #112
BINGO! tonyt53 Jan 2018 #94
what did you win? VMA131Marine Jan 2018 #113
becuase it went up substantially after the recesstion Skittles Dec 2017 #66
Yep UBI should be looked into mvd Jan 2018 #96
Entire families? Control-Z Dec 2017 #17
There are families, including children, who all claim SSDI. It has become the main source of income AJT Dec 2017 #60
I need links to credible sources. eom Control-Z Dec 2017 #89
Here are a couple AJT Dec 2017 #92
Both articles suggest the opposite of what you seem to be suggesting. Ms. Toad Jan 2018 #98
You can't have that without breaking hipaa laws. But here's how to do research... ileus Jan 2018 #111
Why don't you dig a little deeper and find out WHY so many are on disability. hedda_foil Dec 2017 #91
Then THAT is your problem. You must live in a shell or gated community. tonyt53 Jan 2018 #95
Since it's nearly impossible to get SSDI in most states, where are you seeing this abuse? hedda_foil Dec 2017 #18
+1 2naSalit Dec 2017 #20
+ 1 red dog 1 Dec 2017 #30
the 'abuse' that exists handmade34 Dec 2017 #55
52 Proves nothing it is an old bias article standingtall Dec 2017 #62
I personally know at least 10 people that get SSDI and know of dozens more. jaysunb Dec 2017 #57
Question? Who's going to hire someone who's mentally f****d up they'd rather be an addict? haele Dec 2017 #93
I know one single person and a married couple trixie2 Dec 2017 #31
the ssdi max benefit is 1,170/month. Voltaire2 Dec 2017 #48
Getting SSDI doesnt not mean you never had a job. Maybe didnt earn enough credit notdarkyet Dec 2017 #78
Report them mgardener Dec 2017 #40
I know some Queens who are driving Cadillacs. Voltaire2 Dec 2017 #42
your English is very good for a Russian egold2604 Jan 2018 #102
Drag queens, I assume. n/t GoCubsGo Jan 2018 #107
Why haven't you reported them? Mariana Dec 2017 #83
Wow, really? angrychair Dec 2017 #84
Just another GOP demon thbobby Dec 2017 #7
She is so full of SHIT, yes I SHOUTED that. elleng Dec 2017 #8
EVERYBODY PAYS IN- SO EVERYBODY CAN USE IT!!!!! alarimer Dec 2017 #9
+1 2naSalit Dec 2017 #21
We paid into SS. It is not a matter of "deserving" it. nt tblue37 Dec 2017 #10
No, it is. EVERYONE who paid in deserves it. And no one who's getting it didn't pay in. n/t pnwmom Dec 2017 #22
Uh, not quite true RandomAccess Dec 2017 #90
"We paid into SS. It is not a matter of "deserving" it." LenaBaby61 Dec 2017 #32
I've paid for my SS my entire life. Your not taking away my benefits. Lochloosa Dec 2017 #11
Huh? pamdb Dec 2017 #12
Its fundamental to conservative ideology that NOBODY deserves it. JHB Dec 2017 #13
The corrupted tearing down the some of the last social contracts we have in our society nolabels Jan 2018 #99
marsha, marsha, marsha, you lying twit spanone Dec 2017 #14
+ 1 red dog 1 Dec 2017 #39
Everyone who paid in deserves it spanone Dec 2017 #41
But, But,, But,,,,,,, Cryptoad Dec 2017 #49
House Speaker Eddie Munster called Medicare & Medicaid "the big drivers of debt" red dog 1 Dec 2017 #59
It is about Matthew28 Dec 2017 #16
Yep...Two Tier System of Rich and Poor -- A middle class has always had to whathehell Dec 2017 #45
Not Taxing The Wealthy Or Corporations Is The Only Driver Of Debt SeaDoo77 Dec 2017 #23
But to the GOP, going into extreme debt is A-OK if it's for corprat welfare (or billionaire welfare) CousinIT Dec 2017 #26
saw an article handmade34 Dec 2017 #69
She doesn't deserve her salary, we should take it away from her. nt Irish_Dem Dec 2017 #24
Who deserves it, Martha? IluvPitties Dec 2017 #25
Any follow up questions on how to do this? irisblue Dec 2017 #27
Oh & let me guess: Who decides who deserves their benefits? Honeycombe8 Dec 2017 #29
A Trump Social Security Death Panel! (Sarcasm Alert) Orange Free State Dec 2017 #88
+1. nt Honeycombe8 Jan 2018 #115
American retirees need to start thinking how close 2034 is. gulliver Dec 2017 #33
So the GOP now wants to have death panels? KWR65 Dec 2017 #34
Welcome to DU,,,,,Comrade! Cryptoad Dec 2017 #47
The disabled are asked to prove their disability arithia Dec 2017 #35
I just wanna stay healthy and live long enough to watch them burn down everything Eliot Rosewater Dec 2017 #38
Means testing and in his case he will test for skin color, etc., but means testing is the END of SS Eliot Rosewater Dec 2017 #36
make no mistake, they GOP hates poor people of all colors Skittles Dec 2017 #67
Sounds like eugenics. LiberalFighter Dec 2017 #37
Righto, another 'Neo' scourge perhaps. Slipping back in many ways it seems. appalachiablue Dec 2017 #68
Im old disable and can not work,,,,, Cryptoad Dec 2017 #44
Death Panels are back bucolic_frolic Dec 2017 #46
Is Blackburn going to run for Bob Corker's Senate seat? red dog 1 Dec 2017 #50
I don't think cannabis_flower Dec 2017 #53
so let me get this straight. barbtries Dec 2017 #56
such irony handmade34 Dec 2017 #74
we need to vote them out. barbtries Dec 2017 #86
What part of EARNED entitlements don't they understand elfin Dec 2017 #75
If people want to be on the "deserving" list, lapucelle Dec 2017 #76
Well, I can stop spending on movies. nt :) JustABozoOnThisBus Jan 2018 #104
Well, every Democratic candidate needs to run on this. Orange Free State Dec 2017 #80
And the Republican voters think that they deserve the benefits, but "others" don't or are faking it. mtngirl47 Dec 2017 #81
"those who deserve and need those benefits" PSPS Dec 2017 #85
Perhaps someone should tell her pressbox69 Jan 2018 #100
Work 3 days a week and take month long vacations on our dime yet determine who deserves aid? ck4829 Jan 2018 #103
Good strategy for splitting the Democratic party. JustABozoOnThisBus Jan 2018 #105
I truly hate these people heaven05 Jan 2018 #109
in conservative world no one "deserves Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, Unemployment, etc.... beachbum bob Jan 2018 #110
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