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The cost of single payer .... the math at my house.

My husband is currently on chemo. He's on a medicare advantage plan. I am too young for medicare. I have recently had to stop working but was self employed. I still have some income from my store (run by hired staff). I buy medical care insurance through Kynect, which is targeted to be closed.

We have spent enough on medical care the last 8 years to be able to itemize it on our taxes and get a deduction. Prior to 2013 that means anything over 7.5 % and thereafter anything over 10%.

With single payer, if I had to pay a 10% tax on every penny we have coming in as income, including social security benefits, in order to pay for singer payer, we'd be ahead in 2015 by about $2400. If the math holds up as expected in 2016 it will be closer to $3300 we'd be ahead by buying single payer with the rest of America.


My brother and sister in law work for the same medium sized company, who pays 75% of the medical care insurance premiums. They have family coverage including them both and 2 working college age kids. The premium they pay is $688 a month. This means the employer is paying $2064 a month. With deductables and copayments my brother's family spent $11691 on medical care for the 4 of them. The combined income for all 4 of them is $77844 in 2015. Their employer paid an additional $24768.

At a 10% tax for single payer on their income they would have paid $7784 and been ahead $3907. This doesn't even take into account the money their employer spent on premiums instead of wages. Give the employees an extra $12000 each in in come, tax it at 10% for single payer plus whatever regular tax rate they would have and they still come out $1000's ahead every year.


Every time someone tells you WE can't afford single payer ask yourself WHO IS "WE". Just follow the money. Predators are everywhere in medical care at at every level. It's one thing to make a good living being a medical care professional, or manufacturing medical devices and treatments, or running a medical care facility. It's quite another to be swimming in gravy while the hungry starve. When the doctor owns the testing machines and constantly sends people for testing on it, or has a relative working at XYZ medical device manufacturer making commission on all the knee replacements, or stents or whatever that are used... which is more common that you think.... it's a recipe for using the sick as cash cows and even making marginal people actually sick.

We've got to chop the the absolutely predatory nature of sick care in this country out of the equation. Whatever it takes.
Posted by KentuckyWoman | Sun Jan 17, 2016, 05:03 PM (91 replies)

There is no mystery to the "Trump Phenomenon".

So up until a month ago most everyone but Fox News and Rushbo were treating Trump as the buffoon. Now we are all talking about the "Trump Phenomenon". They act like they are collectively scratching their heads on why he's still at the top of the leaderboard.

Bull effing shit.

We all know EXACTLY why Trump ran and why he's so popular.


They want the guy that convinced them all we put a Kenyan in the White House to make the establishment and the brown people of this country PAY for what they did...... including any Republican who attempted to work with him or failed to scream about impeachment every 5 minutes.

They are sick of spending tax dollars on locking up the hoodie wearing black "thugs" who they think are making life miserable for "real Americans" like them. Sick of hearing Black Lives Matter people whine and moan about black people randomly getting shot. Sick of having to share jobs with black people. Sick of those brown people that own all the gas stations taking their hard earned money and sending it to the terrorists. Sick of those brown people with their anchor babies coming over to take those good American lettuce picking or chicken plucking jobs that pay $2 an hour if they are lucky to get paid at all.

They want Trump to buy plane and boat tickets for the whole lot of them and send them all back where they came from, ESPECIALLY THE KENYAN, so this country can go back to being a nice white CHRISTIAN country where Bible reading in school is mandatory, the 10 Commandments are plastered on every corner and men can beat their wives and molest their kids without consequence and everyone speaks American (not English because that shit sounds too gay as per a member of my family).

I am a white woman born and raised in Kentucky and when it comes to blue collar working class people I am surrounded. I can tell you Trump has managed to turn merely prejudiced people into racists and racists into rabid dogs. Not all of them but more than I would ever expect. It's breaking up families all over the country. It is surprising to me only 30% of them will openly admit to backing Trump.

The danger in Trump is not any policies or initiatives he may or may not back if elected - though that can't be good either. The worse danger is the mere fact he emboldens the racists. His mere existence in the race escalates the violence against brown people of all sorts. His longevity in this race shows all of us how deep goes the racism in this country and how critical it is to beat it or breed it out of this society once and for all.

Posted by KentuckyWoman | Sat Jan 2, 2016, 03:21 PM (10 replies)
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