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They're listed in the Constitution. But he wants a theocracy and 'it's just a piece of paper'

Little Dedo is just dropping a lot of buzz words into his speech, hasn't thought about it much. After all, he never gave up on Ayn Rand, so just how deep of a thinker are we looking at here?

He doesn't know about God or nature. Probably thinks gestation is the same thing as evolution. IMO, he's a good example of societal devolution and he and Romney want to drag everyone else down with them.

Thanks, JaneyVee. There are really oppressive people running many state governments today, who even

Now are trying to push through bills to disenfranchise women and people of color -- they are so blatant. As Democrats, all we can do is to demonstrate them that we can make government work for them as well, as it has.

As far as those who are against women's rights and all the rest of the back wards things they are doing -- I'm not sure what to do, as they are following the siren call of radio pundits, both hate radio and the conspiracy talkers -- and are living in a separate reality.

The propaganda to destroy the government, using arguments of 'individual rights, freedom and liberty' which the government itself protects the individual from the oppressive individuals and groups is a deception. They want a world where the Man is the King of the Family, the Woman is barefoot, pregnant, uneducated and under his domination no matter how abusive --- when we see them eliminate battered women's sheltered, birth control, abortion, public and non-church eduation and opportunities -- which is pretty much what Queen Ann's role seems to be being made a role model for -- although they know full well what won't be the case. On the attack side is the Rush Limbaughs going after the Sandra Flukes.

Add to that the Neil Boortz and the rest of them, seeing blacks, browns and others as the enemy to their view of the world -- we are truly in the battle of worlds. President Obama with his multi racial background growing up in Hawaii and elsewhere, he and his wife both being educated -- are an affront to that other view of life. So they demonize him.

I wish we could just stay positive all the time, but they won't let us. They fund criticism of him from all corners but not the GOP. I think voting and continuing to fight for it, as you mentioned it -- as people DIED for this -- should not be discouraged period or discounted in its ability to effect social change by the voters. Just the fact that the GOP is trying so hard to stop us voting --- ought to be a call-out to all people who think government is the problem or voting is useless or the parties are the same. They are not the same.

Appreciated talking (and venting!) with you here today and all of your posts. You are one of our best.

The government reflects the society within which is exists. It is not autonomous.

People created the government to be way it was, protecting slave holders and discriminating against women. People petitioned to change that facet.

Government is not separate from the people. The reason some of the Founders spoke against the power of corporations was that they were confronted with the most powerful, unregulated and brutal corporations of that day, the plantation owners.

Without giving them voice, there be no Constitution, we would still be an English colony. As other groups sought power in society, they elected people to do what they wanted done, and when those financial groups resisted, they formed the Confederacy.

Women wanted to vote and when they had enough support among the people, the government only reflected that. The government has no reason to exist or to pursue its own goals as a separate animal.

This is a myth promulgated by the same forces who dragged us to the civil war and seek to destroy our government so that it can no longer take into account the will of the majority to change society, to resist repressive forces.

They want to privatize everything in order to divide and conquer the people for profit. Government is the arbiter between the rich and the poor. The rich are the ones who spread the tale government is the evil force.

But government of some kind will always exist, civil or corporate. A person can escape paying taxes but not paying for necessities in life from someone who will get more money.

As far as nature and God, those things are not the creation of government any more than rights.


My experience with this in my family may make sense, I hope.

My brother wasn't injured in the service and is a Democrat. My BNL the veteran was disinterested, plain and simple. Both are strong supporters of the social services for all Americans, particularly the disabled.

But my sister went teabag a few years ago and even he is having trouble with her outspoken screwy ideas, angry and hatred that has developed. It's finished our relationship, unfortunately, as she now see the part of the USA I live and myself by default, 'the enemy.'

She was furious about the 2008 debate where Ron Paul spoke against the war(s). She called me up, screaming he should be killed! For speaking against the war. This was even before the baggers got big nationally.

She knows I'm a Democrat and a dove so she considers me an idiot now because I'm not living in Glennbeckistan like her. I figured out her support for the wars and the military were based on her notions of survival and what she feels she has lost being married to a veteran, and what she gained by it and expects to get more.

The reason for her becoming a hawk, although no one in our family was, I believe, is pain. She has watched her hero go to pieces over the years. She thought they were going to do very well in life and that was important to her, the financial security and all that.

But it didn't turn out the way she planned. The mind looks for a cause, a blame. She decided, instead of the way some anti-war people have, that veterans got screwed, that there was a something else. That there is sacred reason for her discomfort. It had to be made noble, somehow.

That came to her in that way of thinking that soldiers are better and more entitled perks than any other citizen. That if they get sick and are without funds, their nation owes it to them and their family for life. That meaning her. So as long as she lives, she feels that she is entitled more than many others.

She has ranted about this many times, that illegal immigrants and people that have not worked as long as she did, are getting Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid. And she has literally stated that they are stealing from her.

It is not much higher than her own survival. She glorifies the MIC since it has given her a place in life that she was not able to achieve otherwise. She mocked my job which was heavy and dirty and was under a union contract. She worked for much less where she worked but they gave her a fancy title and she bragged she was management.

I have a kid and know parents who have kids that are disabled from birth and recieve benefits from the government. They fall in the category of the unworthy in her world view, since they were never able to do the kind of work that we were able to do.

It's pointless to argue equality or a social safety net with her. She is clinging to that idea she is better than other citizens, that her pain is greater than anyone else's. That may be the lifeline vets who are Republican are hanging onto, to demand the support and respect of the whole population, and survive.

Not well expressed, but what I learned from discussing it with her. I think most of the things that people do are about survival.

My BNL and sister are very grateful for their coverage. He was able to work for a while...

In the years following his service in Vietnam. My sister had to deal with his undiagnosed PTSD and what turned into a very heavy smoking addiction. I'm talking chain smoking all day and night long and not going to sleep at night.

He never admitted to having any problems, but was a gunner who took out people with machine gun fire from a plane close up. He described things people do not think about in civilian life.

But he never sought counseling for not being able to sleep, saying 'I just did my duty, so it didn't matter.' But as a generous and kind man and quite intelligent, I'm sure it affected him. He underwent special training, and they had to stop sleeping together for a few years because he was violent when not awake fully.

We nearly lost him and my brother, also a vet, a few years ago, who had a condition that paralyzed them from the neck down for some time and nearly killed them. They had to have surgery at the VA and then services began to pour in for both of them.

Not for the same causes of injury in service as my brother had none. My BNL's physical injuries were minor to him, but in retrospect, his mental injuries were very serious. He still refuses to talk of it.

I'm glad that your family is getting the help it needs.

My BNL is dying from Agent Orange and is well cared for, after years of being supported by his wife,

He finally got the full disability coverage from his injuries in Vietnam which had put him off of work for twenty years while my sister worked to support him. They always took care of his medical needs since Vietnam, but didn't send him a check until a few years back with full documentation. The veterans groups in his area worked to get him all he needed. Their home mortgage was covered by benefits as a service member, too.

He now gets a monthly check for 100% service related disability, full prescription coverage, case management, home nursing care, hospitalization and his home was refitted as well as a van to carry him around in. My sister is nearing retirement and relieved, since her private insurance was truly deadly to her health and she expects to be covered as his spouse.

Your husband is lucky to have you taking care of him in his time of need, even though your profile says Life is Hell. Take care of yourself and your beloved spouse and I hope things will get better for you.

Agreed. See: What's this about Romney/Ryan cutting the VETERANS ADMINISTRATION budget?

Do veterans who are being fed the FOX swill, know what Romney and Ryan have in mind for them? Do they think they or their brothers in arms will be able magically survive this:

What's this about Romney/Ryan cutting the VETERANS ADMINISTRATION budget?

This seems to gone unnoticed? These are the first steps for Romney/Ryan to cut the VA.

But a budget proposal by top Republican Rep. Paul Ryan of Wisconsin to trim spending at the Department of Veterans Affairs had some DAV members worried.

"If they go and approve this, we will have some of the smaller VA facilities closing down in rural states," said Gene Murphy, the state DAV director. "Then you're going to put these veterans' into the Medicare and Medicaid programs."

Budget Panel Eyes End to VA Care for 1.3 Million Vets

The House Budget Committee, chaired by Rep. Paul Ryan (R-Wis.), has told a veterans' group it is studying a plan to save $6 billion annually in VA health care costs by canceling enrollment of any veteran who doesn't have a service-related medical condition and is not poor.

Committee Republicans, searching for ways to curb federal deficits and rein in galloping VA costs, are targeting 1.3 million veterans who claim priority group 7 or 8 status and have access to VA care.


That's from the OP by Rosa Luxemborg here:


I don't know how many knew of Rand Paul's plans for cutting funds for VA hospitals with defense, but he was forced to compromise.

I know vets who receive all their health care from these facilities. They are their lifeline, even send nurses to their homes for all kinds of things. Very good services.

This plan puts them in Medicaid, which the GOP also wants to cut. They will be in the group they despise, Welfare Recipients.

Sadly many despise Obama more, who's working to care for vets.

A beautiful Obama campaign video by his sister

Maya Soetoro Ng Get Involved with OFA AAPI

Published on Aug 22, 2012 by BarackObamadotcom

Join AAPI for Obama: http://OFA.BO/fE4XhR

President Obama's younger sister, Maya Soetoro-Ng shares why the AAPI community is important to her and to the President. She also shares how President Obama has worked to include AAPI issues and concerns in his administration as well as how AAPI's will play a big role in re-electing President Obama in November.

As Maya shares:

"My hope is the AAPI community will participate in unprecedented ways. Please come forward, if you haven't already participated politically a wonderful place to begin, of course, is with this election-registering other voters, speaking about why this Presidency matters, speaking to what might be possible and what we can build together in the future."

I think this was posted by Tx4obama, but I couldn't find it again. I posted it within an OP I wrote, where I said this:

Most people in the USA have different ethnic and racial members within their family circles, just like the Obama family does. Enjoy that beautiful cross section of humanity as described by Barack's sister. This is what is normal and right about America and the world. IMO, this is the default position of humanity, not this 'other' obsession that the GOP has been tossing out.

In modern GOP, the old South returns

In modern GOP, the old South returns

By Harold Meyerson, Published: August 28

The Republican ticket may hail from Massachusetts and Wisconsin, but Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan head the most Southernized major U.S. political party since Jefferson Davis’s day. In its hostility toward minorities, exploitation of racism, antipathy toward government and suspicion of science, today’s Republican Party represents the worst traditions of the South’s dankest backwaters.

No other party in U.S. history has done such a 180. Founded as the party of the anti-slavery North and committed to deep governmental involvement in spurring the economy (land-grant colleges, the Homestead Act, the transcontinental railway), today’s GOP is the negation of Abraham Lincoln’s Republicans. It is almost entirely white — 92 percent, compared with just 58 percent of Democrats. It is disproportionately Southern — 49 percent of Republicans live in the South vs. 39 percent of Democrats...

The ghosts of Dixie — of the Scopes Trial and the underfunding of public education — also pop up in Republicans’ willful resistance to science and, more broadly, simple empiricism. Global warming? Evolution? Homosexuality’s causation? How babies get made? Find a robust scientific conclusion and you can find a significant number of Republicans — adducing pseudo-science and faith — who oppose it...


I thought all of this article was important, but had to cut it to three paragraphs. What the GOP is doing now, does not even reflect the current demographs of the 'South' but something that has not existed for a generation, except in tightly GOP-controlled areas.

Most people in the USA have different ethnic and racial members within their family circles, just like the Obama family does. Enjoy that beautiful cross section of humanity as described by Barack's sister:

This is what is normal and right about America and the world. IMO, this is the default position of humanity, not this 'other' obsession that the GOP has been tossing out.

Hate radio will use the story to prove that Obama is SO BAD that the troops are rebelling.

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