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[ancianita]

1. Amen, Eliot. Amen.

[cry baby]

2. Kick

[Pachamama]

3. +1000000

Thank you for saying what needs to be said

[Mike 03]

4. You've been missed!

[Celerity]

5. All in all, what I see atm is a perfefect shitstorm of clusterfuckery. Hopefully SC & Super Tuesday

are clarifying forces that make the overall paradigm more digestible in terms of how to proceed and destroy the Trumpian/Rethug RW nightmare.

[FBaggins]

6. But don't worry... they're easy to spot!

Anyone who disagrees with my preferred candidate or position. Doesn’t matter how long they’ve been here or how many tens of thousands of posts they have. That’s just “deep cover”.

[irisblue]

7. You are right

Welcome back

[bucolic_frolic]

8. Democracy vs. Dictatorship - it is that simple

All the Dictators of the world are supporting one another on one side, and on the other is Democracy, OUR democracy, the last best hope for freedom for people to govern themselves and run their own lives.

This is just like WWII, when the world split into Allies and Axis. The Allies won, of course, and formed the United Nations, and now all that is under constant attack.

Your live and those of your children and grandchildren will change irrevocably if Democracy does not succeed in defeating dictatorship in America. It will be 6 or 7 generations before the subject will be broached again.

[Eliot Rosewater]

16. Exactly, you said in a few words what I tried to say...god I hope people are paying attention.

[MelissaB]

9. Big K&R!

Thank you!

[Turbineguy]

10. Good

I've seen a lot of posts that get those "commie under the bed" hairs raised.

[2naSalit]

11. K&R

[Bettie]

12. Glad someone said it

Thanks for that.

We need to vote for our nominee, no matter who it is, whether you love or hate that person.

I also agree that Liz Warren is the best choice, but as you said, she lacks a penis which appears to be the most important thing for a President to a lot of people.

[Devil Child]

13. Why do you feel your life is in danger and could possibly be dead by the general election?

Thanks in advance!

[Hekate]

43. Just guessing here,but in 2018 Trump quietly decapitated & gutted the CDC & sent its scientists home

Why? It was something Obama salvaged, improved upon, cherished, and left for the benefit of us all. For Trump, that's enough. And of course, for Steve Bannon, it's just another part of the "administrative state" he wants dismantled.

[soldierant]

94. If you don't think yours is,

then unless you never or almost never leave your home (and nobody else ever leaves your home, like for instance children in school or family member who works ins a large workplace with people who have children in school or God forbid with the public, then you may not have thought the coronavirus through.

[Devil Child]

95. I work in a hospital. I know the risks and potential but don't live in fear really.

Only thing I can do is maintain good health and follow universal precautions. I don’t dismiss the potential of corona outbreaks but having panic won’t do me any good.

[brer cat]

14. Good to see you back, Eliot.

K&R

[Wellstone ruled]

15. Noticed several questionable

person's have been hiding till later in the day. Rest assured by the Weekend they will be back.

[Eliot Rosewater]

17. Dean Obeidallaha progressive talker on XM said his articles are appearing on

FB on rump supporters pages.

https://m.siriusxm.com/servlet/Satellite?c=StreamJockey&childpagename=SXM/StreamJockey/MOB_HostDetail&cid=1451990921995&pagename=SXM/Wrapper


So he was trying to figure out why FB would do this...he finally realized that by doing this they can create MORE discord, not less...so FB is actively working to get you to SCREAM at your cousin or neighbor, etc.

Zuckerberg is doing the work of Goebbels from WWII...imagine that. The irony.

[Wellstone ruled]

18. With FB and Twit

being a outlet for expressions and grievances,and Zuck as well as Dorsey being Libertarian's,just what could go wrong. These two Suckers could care less about Democracy. Their focus is strictly money accumulation. After all their Companies are running on the Bezos Model.

Until the Social Media Companies are regulated as a utility,or Common Carrier,nothing changes. There is a reason European Countries refuse to allow FB and other social media in. China is another case study. After all,they are a Military Dictatorship.

We as Dems are way behind in our Digital Media operations. Rethugs started putting their data bases together in 1970's making use of Voter Registration data from County Clerks. Now this same data seems to pop up in foreign hands,by design.

[concreteblue]

108. Not sure about utility status for social media....

but the Internet as whole?
Absolutely.

[Vogon_Glory]

19. I will vote Blue no matter who

Even if it’s Bernie. I won’t stop opposing him until it’s clear that he has enough delegates to win our party’s nomination.

I don’t doubt there’s Russian agents at work here. Agents provocateurs are an old Russian specialty, going back to Ochrana (The czars’ secret police) days.

But to give the Rooskis some small credit, I suspect that they’re doing what they do for Holy Mother Russia. And, unlike the Republicans in currently the White House and the US Senate, I doubt THEY’D stand for foreign interference in THEIR elections.

[guillaumeb]

29. Putin would never allow an actual election in Russia. eom

[Eliot Rosewater]

33. Exactly...

[gibraltar72]

20. Came to same conclusion a while back.

Ours are all better some are betterer than others. All have baggage some more than others. I'll concentrate on positives of each.

[richdj25]

21. Be careful...

I’ve been coming to DU for a few years but rarely post. Have noticed quite a bit more contentious, if not scathing postings around here, which looks like bots. I know they won’t change the points of view of it’s members, because folk around here aren’t stupid, but are passionate.

As Eliot denoted, stop fighting amongst one another and leave the bots to themselves.

[PatSeg]

35. The last primary was as bad,

if not possibly worse. I pretty much avoided the Primaries Forum, as I really didn't have a preference and the infighting was off the chart. So far, things seem far more civil in comparison - better rules and fewer trolls perhaps?

A lot of the fighting we see is inevitable at this point in a primary. This year, the main concern of most Democrats is to be sure whoever we nominate can beat Trump. That could account for a lot of the passion and energy.

Of course, there are a few jerks here and there, but there always were. Being we are not sheep, like most republicans, we will disagree and sometimes get a bit too rowdy and snarky. In the end, we will come together to defeat Donald Trump.

[Dream Girl]

22. Yep. Have to stop taking the bait. I call them out when I suspect, but I should really just stop.

[PatSeg]

36. If you suspect someone of being

a troll, the best reaction is to ignore them, though that isn't always easy. Some are experts at pushing people's buttons, but an ignored troll is basically useless and practically invisible.

Can't say that I can always ignore them, but I do try.

[Hekate]

58. If under 100 posts, I drop a line to MIRT. If I can Alert, I may do so, or...

I may drop a query line to the Admins, though that's harder these days--they seem to have wound up this little universe and then sensibly withdrawn to let it run itself.

Mostly though, when engaged in a heated discussion I try to recognize bait when it floats by. If you rise to the bait, it's your own post that may get deleted.

Note: not a Meta post. Not interfering with forum moderation. Just explaining same.

[PatSeg]

60. Oh yes

I've seen that where the baited one gets alerted. When I was a kid, my sister did that to me all the time. I got in far more trouble than her because of it. To this day, she is still embarrassed though!

I make it a point to always "Welcome to DU" to newcomers. One, it is a nice thing to do (a lot of people welcomed me years ago) and two, if they aren't legit, they know their newness is apparent.

I do remember that it did make me feel good to have people welcome me way back in 2004. It helps to draw people into the conversation. If their motives aren't good, it will become obvious.

Note: Also not a Meta post, just sharing some observations!

[BusyBeingBest]

23. You're panicking. Don't panic.

We're all going to vote for the nominee, or the nominee's dog, or the nominee's dog's poo pile. Trust me on this.

[bluestarone]

24. AGREE!

[hamsterjill]

25. I will vote for the nominee.

End. Of. Story.

[ms liberty]

26. This is just a little to much drama before noon.

You have to pace yourself!

[Chakaconcarne]

27. Any divisive thread on DU... By default, I consider it originating from a troll bot

and will either call it out or simply not partake in the conversation....

[guillaumeb]

28. Recommended Eliot.

And your comment about Warren "lacking" something that the media prefers to see in a candidate is quite accurate.

As to a Trump crime commission, and the absolute necessity for one, one has only to remember the lack of investigation into the Bush/Cheney crime cabal, and how that lack, that refusal to investigate the criminals only emboldened the criminals to commit more crimes.

[in2herbs]

30. Agree with your post and with Eliot. nt

[Eliot Rosewater]

34. Yes, and NO MORE...if we survive NO MORE

[BlancheSplanchnik]

111. Indeed!

[EmeraldCoaster]

31. Right On

It's the end of our Republic and people are worried about picking fly shit out of pepper.

[MomInTheCrowd]

32. Great resource!

This group is trying their darndest to get information out and work for change. There is a great post about hot to spot meddling https://www.facebook.com/IssueOneReform/

[cannabis_flower]

37. Voting by mail isn't an option for a lot of us

To be eligible to vote early by mail in Texas, you must:

be 65 years or older;
be disabled;
be out of the county on election day and during the period for early voting by personal appearance; or
be confined in jail, but otherwise eligible.

[Eliot Rosewater]

38. Good ole Texas, make it as hard as possible to vote. Not the only state I am sure.

[KSNY]

39. Thank you. You are correct and we would do well to follow your advice.

I love Liz Warren too, but will vote for whoever is not Trump.

[PoindexterOglethorpe]

40. At the risk of being argumentative,

one in 20 of us is not going to die from the corona virus.

Even the Spanish flu, as terrible as it was, killed fewer than 1% of the population then.

But yeah, there's a reason I don't get into discussions about the merits of specific candidates here.

[Eliot Rosewater]

62. I had that wrong, you are right, it is 2 out of 100, i will edit

[Polly Hennessey]

41. I voted by mail and

I will support our nominee.

[Hulk]

46. I have always gotten my ballot by mail in Washington state...

I lived there for eight years, and it's convenient as hell. You can actually study the book, listen to the pundits/etc and make up your mind. Work on the ballot a little each night until you have the ballot completed.

I can't fathom trying to remember all the candidates you want to vote for: judges, local agencies that aren't designated with a D after their name, ballot measures, etc, etc. Unreal! And then STANDING IN LINE FOR AN HOUR OR MORE??? BULL SHIT on that!

If you don't get your ballot in the mail, you go down to the elections office and find out why BEFORE THE DEADLINE!

...and finally, there is a "PAPER BALLOT" to refer back to.

This is the most important election in my 54 years of voting...BY FAR!! Nothing comes this close. EVERY vote counts!!

[MontanaMama]

45. Did you forget the

sarcasm thingy? Eliot most certainly is NOT a Russian bot.

[Eliot Rosewater]

64. We need to take note of that one...thanks.

[MontanaMama]

69. There's a crap ton of them

here lately. That one won’t last long slinging garbage like that.

[LanternWaste]

44. I simply see no evidence that primary fights enable the efficiency of a virus.

It does not follow.

That being said, I do believe that bots are much less effective engendering an uniformed electorate than the Useful Idiot, regardless of high degree of their passions.

[Eliot Rosewater]

63. Not at all what I said, never even thought about that...

[StarfishSaver]

47. Thank you for reminding everything be to stop the infighting

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That's exactly why I stopped posting here.

[raging moderate]

48. Yes, you are so right!

That is what has been worrying me. United we stand; divided we fall! We can really do it; we can make after all! Michelle Obama is right; we have to choose to go high!

[McKim]

49. Thanks and I Will Vote Blue No Matter Who

Thanks for this. Our political discourse has become a battleground, imitating Trump, Republican Style and Fox Style of communications. It’s become all about the fight. We should turn away from this and see how to weave together all the great ideas of our candidates into one big package that we can all vote for. And by the way there is nothing wrong with teaching peasants how to read in a a massive literacy campaign. Let’s get real!

[NYMinute]

50. Russians are not just supporting Trump

They are also supporting one of the candidates on our side.

[underthematrix]

51. This is why I put most posts in the trash

We are not electing your bestie. This election is not about policy. It's about saving our democracy. You get NOTHING if we lose our democracy. If we lose, YOU may lose your life.

[Warpy]

52. People talking smack about other candidates--even Sanders--

need to be smacked down hard. Even if they're not bots, they're killjoys and make DU suck

Tell me why your preference is so great and I'll happily read it. Tell me why any of mind are the Antichrist and you'll be marked as a sour vat of spite and teeter on the brink of the Ignoratorium.

I took two years off because of all the spite and blame slinging.

[Pobeka]

53. Virus fatalities are *not anywhere near* 5%, more like 0.02%

Wuhan has a population of aprox 11 million. (wikipedia)
Then entire hubie province reports 2252 deaths to date. https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6)

High fatality rates apply to those sick enough to require a visit to the doctor.

Russion agents, yep. They've been at it for a long time, and they're at it now.

Vote for the dem candidate for president, no matter what. This is not a time to play the odds and write in your favorite, or vote for any other than the dem!

[spicysista]

54. Thanks for your post. I was also really panicking, too.

I've also come to realization that all I can do is what I've done since voting for Gore as a hopeful young teen.... GOTV! Transporting the elderly, making sure everyone has water (stays hydrated) in the lines, making sure everyone knows where and how to vote in underserved precincts, and actually voting, myself. Don't get into panic mode, get into action mode!

I truly believe that the right candidate will move all the necessary parts of the electorate. As long as the more informed of us do the work of gotv, I believe we will win.

The trolls among us are going to do whatever they do. Don't even pay them dust. Instead, get in contact with the relatives you only see at family reunions and make sure they're going to vote. Puff them up and let them know the election is in their hands. If early mail-in voting is available, it's a great idea to inform them of the process.

Stay healthy and be well, ER.

[AllaN01Bear]

55. i was on this board when it collapsed in 2016 . could happen again

a friend of mine and i were talking about this very issue of this board possibly been infltrated as it was in 2016 . am keeping a cool head as of right now . have afib and cant get too exited or upset.

[planetc]

56. Amen, amen

When a real live Bloomberg person called me on my landline, I assured him cheerfully that if Mr. Bloomberg was the nominee, I would vote for him. I did not add that the caller had interrupted my daily prayers that Bloomberg would NOT be the nominee. I don't know whether the caller detected duplicity in my tone of voice, but he had no grounds to challenge me on.

A few moments ago, I had to declare myself undecided in order to reply to your post, but that was a lie. I decided long ago, and can hardly wait for the primary. But I would never declare my allegiance on DU: we keep getting caught up in these mares' nest of disagreement, and fuming and fussing, which exhaust us, and, I think, make some of us more cynical.

In fact, although I agree that The Russians Have Come!, I also think we don't need any real Russians to confuse and distract us. Basic human nature and a generally combative culture make it all too easy to create enemies, to bash the enemies we have created, and to generally take our eyes off the ball.

And we have one ball we should never take our eyes off of, which is whether our elections are being stolen. We can be as politically virtuous as we want, and vote, I hope, for a dynamite candidate, but if the election is stolen, we have wasted another four years. Elect Democratic governors, people, and tell them the election technology you want is a No 2 pencil.

[Newest Reality]

57. I am all for being cautious...

However, I don't understand. This sounds like red scare to me.

I would think that new members and those who have very low post counts would be suspect if their content suggested something fishy. I could even see jacking up the post count with trivial comments if we are talking about suspects, foreign trolls, sock puppets, etc.

It would be helpful to me to have some more evidence as to how the contention that their are even enough extraneous members here in order to be that influential, especially when there are so many with rather large post counts, (at least in the thousands) who frequently do OP's and comments. If you are suggesting long-term plants, I really would question that and maybe suspend judgement barring more explanation as to how that is so and maybe some anecdotes to at least support such a contention.

My opinion is that DU may be on the radar, but I think the social media, et al, are far more worthy of any time and investment from nefarious influences. Injecting undue paranoia and suspicion though, would be a good method of having a negative impact on the trust and candidness of members and could work by way of implication alone. That is a question to consider. Does implying we are a target make us all seem a bit more important and special as an online force?

Then to connect that and the vote to a pandemic that is only a potential so far seems like going out on a limb and fear mongering to make a point. It isn't even time to panic, yet.

Meanwhile, in our neck of the woods, people have diverse opinions, argue, fight, agree, learn, etc., in what looks like a rather normal fashion, overall, to me, and I think we do it all fine without help. I also think that it is often very difficult to change people's biased views, especially in little skirmishes on a mere forum and, in fact, the arguing can help to cement their views, (now that sounds like a good tactic if their views are misinformed or just plain wrong) so I wonder how much of a waste of time micromanaged propaganda here would be when there is so much fertile ground and a much larger audience on social media, alternative media, etc.?

So, let's not go full McCarthy here and rouse our own rabble and then mix it all together into a Chicken Little salad, just for the sake of sanity. We can cross bridges as we come to them, perhaps and avoid being overly paranoid about our members, maybe? Or does that make me suspect?

[handmade34]

59. no doubt there are nefarious people/bots here

I would think that anyone here swayed by irrational arguments is gullible and it doesn't matter, they would be swayed by some other irrational person or something

…hopefully most good people here are smarter than to fall for trashtalk and we will all "vote blue, no matter who"

although being in Vermont, my vote doesn't account for much

please, please, please do not panic about the coronavirus... there are still good people working to do good things (I worked as a contractor with the CDC until I retired) we must be smart

[pecosbob]

61. Putting aside the issue of voting for a moment...

I also would like to know why Warren is the only candidate that says they will put the Republican lawbreakers in jail. The reason we have a totally lawless administration now is because non-confrontational Dems decided it would be for the best to let bygones be bygones and not prosecute the crimes of the GOP. Failure to put Reagan's gang in jail and failure to put Cheney's gang in jail led directly to this moment. The GOP is a criminal organization that launders billions of dollars of foreign and illegal funds for it's candidates at the behest of the one percent and global criminal syndicates around the world.

THEY NEED TO GO TO JAIL OR IT WILL HAPPEN AGAIN ONLY WORSE, and we can kiss our Democracy goodbye.

[HarlanPepper]

65. Yes, today in a thread about Cuba

I learned that every foreign policy America has ever engaged in was bad and that Russia was the victim in the Cold War and Russia has been a force for good throughout the last 75 years.

[Eliot Rosewater]

66. Can you pm me the link to that please...

Not surprised though.

[HarlanPepper]

67. Sure. Coming your way in a sec.

[Progressive dog]

68. Do you have the virus or are you just a pessimist?

I think that the less than 2% death rate is horrid, but I don't think that everyone will get it. This isn't the virus from "The Stand."

[Stonepounder]

70. I'll be the first to admit that Bernie would be my absolute last choice. But....

if he is the nominee I will vote for him.

He would be my 8th choice. (Given that there are still 8 candidates in the running for the nomination.)

However, the current population of the US is around 300 Million. Trump would be somewhere around my 300 millionth choice.

Seems like a no brainer to me.

[Bluethroughu]

71. Vote the D!

When a polling company calls, I let them know I will be voting for Democratic candidates only.

By the way, Yes I voted for Hillary in the General election along with my husband and daughter. Yes, we were devastated when the Electoral College did not.

This is about beating the Republican party and their contempt for our country. We will win, rebuild, and strengthen this country, BECAUSE IT CAN HAPPEN HERE!

[yaesu]

72. tRump took a dump & all the russian flies are gathering. nt

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[AncientGeezer]

73. Hmmm.

[Eliot Rosewater]

75. Hmm? Odd response...if that is implying something about me, stop the nonsense and read

my thousands of posts to find not only am I consistent but been around a very long time.

someone calling for unity gets HMM? tell me i misunderstand that and I will apologize for this response.

[AncientGeezer]

80. Not an odd response....or nonsense...

You appear to be all in for Liz, that's cool....and have a fear that the forum is full of Russians....I said Hmmm.

[Eliot Rosewater]

88. Then I apologize.

[zentrum]

74. I'm TERRIFIED Trump

.....will now have an excuse to prevent elections. It will be his cover story to declare a state of emergency and allow him to be in office for months, years more.

Congress will not be meeting. Schiff and Pelosi cannot in protect us in this event.

[totodeinhere]

77. Why prevent the election when you and your Russian buddies plan on stealing it again? n/t

[BilltheCat]

76. I'm new and I swear a lot of the threads here attacking Democratic candidates and purity litmus test

Scream GOPutin troll farm.

I will vote for any of the Democratic candidates running. Some with a heavy heart and sense of not being able to watch the results and others enthusiastically but all the same I will vote Dem down ballot as always.

[Eliot Rosewater]

78. Great to hear! There was a time I was so anti Bernie I could barely talk about him...but

as someone who actually followed and liked him for decades, I know who he is and I know he is not rump or anything like rump...i call the prez rump.

My only concern now about him is elect-ability, so whatever happens is gonna happen as to a nominee and then we GO TO WORK!

[Bonobo]

81. Eliot Rosewater...

I am so glad to read this post.

As a massive fan of Vonnegut, I never understood your dislike for Sanders since I think that Kurt himself would have been such a strong proponent of Bernie's message. Both are humanists in the true sense of the word.

Thank you for being on the right side of this nastiness at DU. The attacks are no damn good and the hatred is so damned unecessary.

[Kurt V.]

84. this kurt agrees. but i think he would have gone with warren :)

on edit: I'm also a huge fan of bonobos. the only non-violent ape.

[MasonDreams]

93. Warren or Bernard will do just fine, anything to stop the deployment of Ice-nine.

George Orwell said he was a democratic socialist. There's no way to tell if the Russians support Bernie crap is true. All we actually know is they would like us to be divided.

I would like to know who thinks it's OK for Bloomberg to pretend to be a Democrat.

I think he's the most objectionable and most divisive. If he's the nominee, my vote for him will be my last. I've never voted for a republican in forty years (since Carter) ; I'll vote against rump, but that's it. The Party will have left me.

[Eliot Rosewater]

89. When I worked at a local gas station when I was young, my routine for a while was work till 11 pm

stop off at the local store and get a box of chocolate dipped peanuts, go home and watch THE PHIL SILVERS SHOW, Sgt Bilko, then read 20 pages of Breakfast of Champions and no more, it was so damn good I needed to savor and save it.

Then when I was finished with it I got a new book of his...But that one I remember specifically from back then.

My issues with Bernie were never about policy or agenda, I am so far left I make most others look center. I am for nationalizing all energy, all access to cell towers and the internet as well as education, health care etc.

And whatever personal issues I have with him are now put aside for the greater cause, or as another of my heroes famously said

[warmfeet]

79. Yep.

I will vote for our nominee. I prefer Elizabeth Warren, but I will vote for the successful Democratic nominee.

[Perseus]

82. Hmmm, so this is not a Bernie bashing post, but the Russians are helping Bernie

I am not painting the room blue but I am using this blue paint.

No, do not vote by mail, all mail votes will be hacked or thrown in the garbage. How can you prevent that?

No, we are not all going to die from the virus, please don't panic.

Jesus, what a panicky post...stop the panic, buy Lysol spray that kills "Coronavirus". look at the list of all the bacteria/viruses that Lysol spray kills and you will see Coronavirus.

I do agree with you on the part of VOTE, DO VOTE and VOTE BLUE NO MATTER WHO. All Democratic candidates are a million times better than trump, not going out to vote for the Democratic nominee is the same as casting a vote for the creature and William Barr...Do you want Barr to continue being your AG??? If the answer is NO, then VOTE!

[Prof.Higgins]

83. A Democratic Party divided against itself cannot stand, to borrow from Honest Abe. n/t

[CaptYossarian]

85. Thank you for that.

I tried the same kind of message the other day and it fell flat. You did a much better job.

Welcome back.

[Kurt V.]

86. K&R

[Farmer-Rick]

87. Right......Former KGB agent Putin is just too stupid to keep his mouth shut

About who he wants Trump to run against on the democratic side. In fact he is so stupid about keeping his preferences to himself that the complicit corporate media has been shouting about Russia's pick since Bernie began running.

Putin's choice is the kiss of death for any Democratic candidate. But for some amazing, astonishing, unknown reason, Democrats are willing to vote in Putin's choice over and over again. Despite the fact that the corporate media has been claiming Bernie is Putin's favorite since the beginning of the campaign, Democrats are lining up to vote for Bernie, it's astounding.

Maybe, could it be, that Putin (and his trolls) isn't in favor of Bernie but is spreading that lie with the help of our socialism phobic corporate media in order to stop Bernie?

No, not possible, a former spy like Putin could never be so devious.

[Eliot Rosewater]

92. If unity or vote blue no matter who mattered to you, your response could have been better, much

better.

For instance you could have pointed out how my comments about Bernie and putin are counterproductive to the point of my thread in the first place, I would have accepted that as legitimate criticism and would have made sure others knew I regretted that.

But you have a need to go far beyond that, which itself is a way to divide us. Too bad, you had such a good opportunity here.

[Farmer-Rick]

110. I am sorry you found it divisive.

I am just so tired of hearing that Russia is pushing Bernie. You know who else believes that? Fox so called news.

It is a RepubliCON talking point that is spread here on DU with very little push back.

To repeat it, then call for unity seems desiengenous. As if the poster wanted to first establish that Putin is for Bernie by burrying it in a let's get united post. The best way to spread a lie is to sandwich it between 2 truths.

[ahoysrcsm]

97. Or, get this, Putin, you know the Russia guy, former KGB,

get this, you'll think it's made up. This Putin guy, loans a bunch of money to a schlub, this guy can't even make 50c by rubbing two quarters together. This schlub tried to set himself up in NY city, the schlub thinks he's a real estate developer. Anywho, the schlub gets in debt to some Russian mobsters, and then gets fired from his his own TV show. Anyway the schlub goes to Russia and talks with Putin, Putin bank rolls him to run for President, I know, totally unbelievable. The schlub even has his Capos have meetings, I know right, in a building the schlub owns.

So then, to get the schlub elected, this Putin guy, uses some computer techno BS, I don't know how it works, it's some computer BS. Anywho this computer BS gets lots of eyes to believe anything that's popular, so the computer BS, it starts trending, and targeting, and no two people see the SAME THING. So the computer BS, starts feeding into the eyes ego, and get this, the computer BS gets both sides of the Democratic party riled up. There's even this former NSA hacker dude, turned Russia asset and his website involved.

Got off track... both camps are seeing different news, because the computer BS is targeting each eye. Now the ADs, oops I mean computer BS, now the ADs are reading all the websites you visit, friends, family, coworkers, it makes this "profile," now the ADs can link every thing you do. Did you log off the site? yes, well too bad, the ADs are stored until you log back in. So the ADs track all you do, on all websites, everywhere, and save it until you log in for a sync. After the ADs sync you start seeing targets, and your mom sees her own targets, grandma, grandpa, yup they see their own targets.

Now you think it's all made up, it's not, your neighbor sees their own targets, you don't like a target? click no, then you never see it again. The ADs their learning, linking, targeting, listening, BTW you buy an echo yet? well it's listening... your phone, it heard the theme song to your favorite TV show. your phone, it tracks you too, it tracks your habits, it tracks your location, it tracks your schedule. You don't like it, too bad, they gonna track you.

Now you think I'm some tinfoil hat wearing freak, nope, I'm your neighbor, you buddy from work, the stranger that you bumped into at the grocery store. That bump, yup your DATA crossed my DATA. Now I don't know you but the ADs do. The ADs know me too. "Did you drop your pen?" I said, now you see ADs for pens, 3 pack, at your grocery store, aisle 3.

I got off track, So this Putin guy, he meets up with the facebook guy, the twitter guy, the microsoft guy, the google guy. all at different times, all don't know the others met him. Did the Putin guy do it, or did the ADs make you think that? you were already thinking something wasn't sitting right with one candidate, so the ADs gave you a closer pick, did you even know?? Well did ya??

Your in the booth, undecided, and then it hits ya, CANDIDATE, but how, when, I didn't like them, their popular with the kids, neighbors, coworkers, friends, I want to tell everyone about them, They will make things better. I saw it on TV, facebook, twitter, MSN, google.



Everyone is being targeted, the smart phone, the TV, the PC, the News, ALL OF IT. Can you even trust your CANDIDATE? I didn't see anything bad about my CANDIDATE, just bad about everyone else's CANDIDATE. My coworker tried to warn me, but they didn't show me the news article they were reading, and google didn't show me any bad news, so it's the Putin guy, yeah that's it, I heard the Putin guy was behind the whole thing. Makes sense, I saw it on the news, or Mom did, Grandma, Grandpa, I trust them.

Turning off social media will not stop the tracking, government will not stop the tracking, we are being targeted.

[concreteblue]

109. Nice story.....

Excellently written narrative. You make some excellent points about the slicing and dicing (granularization?) of our lfe actions into single data points. All true. But I hope you are NOT trying to say that Putin/Russia is NOT using this in sync with the GOP to disrupt us.
THAT is ABSOLUTELY happening.

[ecstatic]

90. Wow Ok, morbid but good points.

I will look into voting by mail, but doesn't that make it easy for them to toss my vote in the trash?

Also, if we're all that sick, who would be available to count the votes? I'm guessing the elections would be cancelled if things got to that point.

[David__77]

106. In California, one can track ones own ballot status.

Just noting it in case you are. That said, I still hand deliver my ballot.

[Sympthsical]

91. I doubt Russian agents are managing here

I’ve read for quite awhile, and the primaries forum is always the same two or three dozen names. DU is a small site.

I absolutely believe trolls are on Twitter and in subreddits.

Here just feels like small game. And the place is highly anti-Bernie anyway.

Just vote blue no matter what and don’t abet right-wing nonsense. It’s an easy ask. More people should be manage it than currently are. I’ve never attacked Biden or Bloomberg from the right. Can’t say the same for the attacks on Bernie at the moment. It’s bothering me a lot, even though he’s not really my candidate at the moment.

[hangaleft]

96. Great post, ER

[Mountain Mule]

98. We're all going to die! nt

[James48]

99. I will definitely vote for the nominee.

And will knock on doors, hold signs on street corners, hand out bumper stickers, etc.

But I think the stat is about 2.6% now, so I’m hoping Trump holds more rallies than anyone.

[fallout87]

100. Oh look, another one of those

"Support my candidate or you're a Russian agent" threads. Yawn.

[summer_in_TX]

101. Supreme Court and other judicial branch appointments hang in the balance.

We cannot afford to lose the presidency or the Senate. And we definitely need to keep the House too. You bet I'll vote blue no matter who.

[NoDakLinda]

102. Re:The idea that any actual person here, not russian agent, can say with a straight face that Bernie

What are you smokin? Bernie is beating trump all over the country, and no one was beating Bernie until the media started wearing their tongues to the bone criticizing Bernie all day long and most of the night.

Those town halls are the biggest joke ever. I will never watch that station again and I'm canceling it if possible.

This set up of Bernie with fake stories about Cuba just before the debates. He said it was good they taught people to read (I think we should try that in America .)

Town halls where some can sit and others can't.

Raving over Joe Biden's so-called "great performance" just because he knew he was running for the presidency.

And last but not least having Bernie go first on one night and then most everyone else goes together after that on another night, so they can all Bernie bash before people vote in S.C.

The fix is in and all the bots are running out voting for who they were told to vote for.

[Lock him up.]

103. If Liz isn't the nominee then let's push for her on the ticket...

Like in Nominee/Warren, for example.

Then vote BLUE for she can work the BLUE Senate for a Drumph crimeS investigation.

Wash hands often and at least for 20 seconds. Eat well, sleep well, exercise well.

[BlueTsunami2018]

104. Most of us are not going to get this virus.

Come on with this panic nonsense. 🙄

[concreteblue]

107. Well said.

Well said, and thank you.
In the last two weeks I have been accused of being a Bernie Bro who is doing Putin's bidding (IRL) for the egregious offense of saying something like this.
Not as clearly as you, but still....

[lark]

112. Voting by mail is unsafe in FL, especially for elderly!!!! Things I learned as a poll watcher.

They have a robust (wrong!) voter signature matching program used on ALL votes by mail that threw out tens of thousands of votes in 2018, most because the person had aged and their signature changed. If your signature doesn't match, I don't think they notify you, but not sure if they claim to do this or not. You can go to a database to see if your voted was recorded, but it's difficult to get it reinstated. You have to go downtown, to an office that's only open 10-4 M-F, wait forever, then finally have a turn with an unfriendly official.

If you aren't too sick, voting early in person is best because those votes aren't signature matched and you can vote at any precinct, so no lines either - easy peasy.

[SlimJimmy]

113. With all due respect, that's a bit over the top.

As long as we observe the standard precautions, wash hands, ect; we will be okay. I'm not one that wants the world to panic here. I say, take a breath and bring it down a notch.

... most of us here will get the virus and about 2 out of 100 of us will die from it ... By election time there may be millions dead or unable to vote.