*****DEBATE THREAD #2*****

[MustLoveBeagles]

I'm trying to keep up.

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[Sympthsical]

1. Bloomberg's getting slaughtered again.

Good. Buttigieg and Warren are bringing it, so I’m happy.

[Tweedy]

150. In case you are curious

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2020/politics/michael-bloomberg-women/

This isn't a she said/he said. There was a witness.

[Sympthsical]

151. We can't nominate him

It’s a disaster waiting to happen. It’ll fracture the party, and we’ll all be defending a racist, misogynist Republican.

I will literally take anyone else. I was ride or die with Yang. Now Buttigieg and Warren. Give me Bernie. Give me Biden. Anyone else.

[Tweedy]

152. Agreed

He is the most dangerous on that stage.

[msongs]

2. sorta sloppy. the mods arent so tight here nt

[nolabear]

4. It's quite the scrap. They need to winnow out.

[MH1]

6. I wish they'd have let Steyer speak when they called on him.

Sanders just shouted until they gave in.

Steyer earned a spot on the stage and they ought to be letting him speak.

[StevieM]

64. Totally agreed.

I was very upset when they screwed Steyer out of his spot on the Nevada debate stage. I felt it was very unfair. The DNC did to him for real what Bernie pretends they did to him in 2016.

Steyer is doing very well tonight.

[Renew Deal]

7. South Carolina is always the wildest debate

[KewlKat]

15. What mods...lol

[Pachamama]

3. Please only post one debate thread at a time ongoing...

For debate thread #1 you had about 5 separate threads...

Very confusing

[nolabear]

8. MLB isn't responsible for other threads.

[LaurenOlimina]

5. Owww Pete...

That'll leave a mark!

[Pachamama]

13. That was great!!!

[KewlKat]

9. They should be telling SC voters what they will do for them...not this bickering, shouting

And talking over each other

[Pachamama]

10. Buttigieg just said it!!!!

Sanders will not just lose against Trump, he will lose the House....

[KewlKat]

21. Yep

[highplainsdem]

11. Good for Biden for claiming his share of time.

[nolabear]

12. I believe Joe has taken off the gloves.

[highplainsdem]

14. Biden just nailed Steyer on private prisons.

[Pachamama]

16. Biden!!!!! I'm going to talk!!!!

[JudyM]

17. This absolutely sucks.

[highplainsdem]

18. Biden's looking and sounding sharp.

[Tweedy]

154. Yes

I like Joe.

[zackymilly]

19. Sic 'em Joe!

[Renew Deal]

20. Steyer is amped up now

[elleng]

22. Thanks, Amy,

for trying to redirect.

[melman]

23. These moderators need to go

Like..right now. Get them out of there>

[PatSeg]

69. In fairness

It must be like herding cats!

[Renew Deal]

24. Klobuchar tearing up Sanders and to some degree about "getting things done"

[highplainsdem]

25. Bloomberg just rightly pointed out how much he spent in 2018 to elect Democrats.

[mia]

94. Yes.

And every single candidate up there knows that this is true.

[Tweedy]

153. He is a billionaire

Bloomberg also paid to elect a sizeable number of current GOP

Everyone up there knows that too

[ecstatic]

26. Wow! I loved Biden's outburst just now!

Go Biden! LOL

[emmaverybo]

27. You go, Joe! Excellent. Focused and fiery. And factual.

[Kitchari]

28. The crowd is so raucus

It's like the Roman Coliseum

[Renew Deal]

29. Bloomberg is more comfortable this time around

[highplainsdem]

37. Yes. He's been doing very well.

[mdelaguna]

53. Agree

[Tweedy]

155. Really? I don't agree

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2020/politics/michael-bloomberg-women/

It is not he said, she said. There was a witness.

We don't need to sell the presidency. Let's leave that to the GOP.

[madaboutharry]

30. Pete, Amy, and Joe are doing great.

They are strong and making great points.

[apcalc]

141. I agree that in alpha order...Amy, Joe, Liz, Pete- doing great.

[Tweedy]

156. Elizabeth is cleaning house

Thank goodness for Elizabeth !

Joe is doing much better.

Pete and Amy's "no, we can't," bugs me. Yet, they are speaking well.

[tishaLA]

31. Bloombito is right that he helped significantly with electing Dems in 18

but you have to ignore years and years of getting repubs elected.

[Renew Deal]

32. Sanders got booed for a glib joke about Bloomberg supported by billionaires

[highplainsdem]

45. And he looked stunned by the booing.

[Renew Deal]

58. He figured out he wasn't at one of his rallies.

[tishaLA]

62. And he had the chutzpah to intimate that the people booing him

were also billionaires. "See?" he said. WTF?

[Sympthsical]

33. This is turning into a shitshow n/t

[KewlKat]

97. Yes, from the first question...sadly

What must the uninformed voters think of this.

[Sympthsical]

103. We can't afford this

We just can’t be doing this.

[Luciferous]

34. These moderators are terrible. It's a free for all with everyone talking over each other.

[question everything]

43. Agree. Both should have stayed in Morning show

[Duppers]

71. THIS ⬆⬆

TY.

[MH1]

91. Yup, something we can all agree on. nt

[Renew Deal]

35. Warren lecturing the class

[blm]

63. I saw it as calming the turf

[Bradshaw3]

72. A sexist demeaning comment

But that is to be expected. I guess oneline potshots are better than actual logic and facts, right?

[Renew Deal]

84. It's sexist that you noticed her gender.

She goes off topic about decorum.

[Bradshaw3]

107. Accusing others of what you got caught doing

Who else does that?

From these threads you obviously have it in for Warren. Wonder why.

[Renew Deal]

121. Caught

You brought up her gender and accuse others of sexism. What a joke.

The same reason I supported Hillary. Because Warren can't win and is slightly more electable than Sanders. Not at all.

[Bradshaw3]

127. Nobody admits sexist comments.

Certainly knew you wouldn't. Accusing others of what you do ... hmm.. who else does that?

[Renew Deal]

134. You brought up her gender

Look in the mirror.

[Bradshaw3]

142. It was in your original comment

I just pointed out your sexist comment and you are not able to admit it. Not surprising. Not to mention your many anti-Warren posts on here.

[Renew Deal]

148. My comment had nothing to do with gender

But yours did.

Did you ever consider that there might be reasons other than gender that people think Warren is a bad choice?

[Bradshaw3]

149. Yes it did but you can't admit it

There might be reasons for OTHER people to not want Warren. For some though it is sexism, whether they admit it or not.

[mdelaguna]

95. She's the one taking potshots. Would rather about HER.

[Bradshaw3]

116. Providing lots of facts are not potshots

Potshot: a criticism, especially a random or unfounded one.

Her criticisms are true and not random. Hope that helps you.

[question everything]

36. Bloomberg drew a stark and correct view if Sanders win

[tishaLA]

49. our dystopian future.

[mia]

133. Unless...

Bloomberg or Biden win.

[PlanetBev]

38. This is insane

This is no debate, it’s a food fight.

I blame the “moderators”. It’s all about ratings. Doing the bidding of their corporate masters.

[JudyM]

47. The moderators should be pulled out and replaced, no disrespect intended.

[blm]

83. Worst ever

[highplainsdem]

50. Well, it isn't quite as bad as the last debate. But the yelling doesn't help.

[JudyM]

39. Warren's impressive again. Everyone else is operating out of their amygdalas.

[LaurenOlimina]

55. Excuse me, out of Amy's what?!?!

[JudyM]

67. Haha her gdala.

[tishaLA]

40. Sen Warren is so effective talking about progressive values

while still sounding pragmatic.

[frazzled]

41. This is what's commonly known as

a s#!&t show. Help! I think I don’t want to vote for anyone at this point. And I’ve voted in every damned federal, state, and local election since 1972.

I’m going to pour a drink and change the channel. Talk about blood pressure!

[Apollo Zeus]

42. Bloomberg is such a mixed bag

[Renew Deal]

52. You don't have to support him

And all of these candidates have positives and negatives. Some have more negatives than others.

[Apollo Zeus]

74. Indeed. What I mean is he is the oddest collection of views

libertarian on wealth taxes, micromanaging on how much sugar is in a large soda,...is he selfish? is he generous? does he have any appeal in the South? He is just very different

[Renew Deal]

98. He's a fairly typical extremely wealthy person

They play on both sides, often for their friends or people they like.

[LaurenOlimina]

44. Booing the billionaire or Bernie?

[Apollo Zeus]

56. I think they boo'd Bernie's line "all of them are billionaires"

not true -- some of them only make $2500 a month

[elleng]

57. No way to tell;

interesting audience. Will be interesting to see what SC does this weekend.

[lunasun]

99. Bernie -he even said whew after the boos

I think he was surprised at Bloomberg support in the room

Also
Worst moderators this election season

[Renew Deal]

46. 1st quarter is over

[elleng]

48. OK CBS, give it up.

[Sympthsical]

51. Bloomberg literally just said, "I bought them."

Referring to Democratic politicians. He causght himself, but too late. I heard that one.

[JudyM]

59. Missed that!

[Renew Deal]

68. I heard it

He misspoke, but he said it.

[Sympthsical]

82. Just holy shit n/t

[dem4decades]

77. He can say whatever he wants, Pelosi was the Speaker

[mdelaguna]

102. +1

[Bradshaw3]

87. Calling Dr. Freud

Will he ever apologize for trying to prevent so many Democrats from being elected?

[DVRacer]

90. I cringed when I heard that

That will be in ads this fall count on it.

[Yavin4]

54. Is this a debate or "Real Housewives of the Democratic Party"? n/t

[brokephibroke]

65. Not a good look

[Just_Vote_Dem]

66. More like pro wrestling n/t

[rockfordfile]

60. The CBS moderators are putting right-wing talking points into the debate

[Renew Deal]

61. What did Biden say that set off Steyer?

[StevieM]

70. He said something about Steyer supporting private prisons. (eom)

[JudyM]

76. Accused him of buying a prison where prisoners were hogtied and then bragging about it.

[brooklynite]

73. Mike Bloomberg buys a 60 sec commercial during the break...

[highplainsdem]

80. You just answered my question below.

[highplainsdem]

75. Anyone else just get a Bloomberg ad during the break?

Wondering if it was a national ad.

[JudyM]

85. Here in SuperTuesday VA too.

[ecstatic]

86. I saw it in Atlanta GA

[PatSeg]

120. It aired in New Hampshire

[emmaverybo]

78. Wealth tax very difficult to administrate and European countries that implemented it had to get

rid of it. Will a wealth tax get passed? What do we do for the at least four years—a ridiculously low amount of time progressives estimate before M4All is implemented—for health care. Address how you plan to restore and protect ACA, Liz, and expand Medicaid, which is suffering cuts in some states. Dramatic ones.

[ecstatic]

79. Looks like Bloom bought some ad time. lol nt

[StevieM]

81. So far Mayor Pete is winning, followed by Biden and then Steyer IMO. (eom)

[emmaverybo]

88. Biden wins for taking charge!

[LaurenOlimina]

92. Warren seems to have it to me.

[Apollo Zeus]

101. I think Warren is doing well

Buttigieg struggling. Bloomberg better than last week.

[Renew Deal]

104. Biden has been quiet for long periods

Though he's better in the last 15 minutes

[Politicub]

89. I did not know Steyer invested in private prisons

Glad that he divested from them, but it was pretty shocking to hear.

[emmaverybo]

105. Yes, he did.

[PatSeg]

114. I had no idea

We learned something.

[Blue_true]

159. He invested in coal and oil at one time. He led a venture fund, some was not his choice. nt

[PatSeg]

161. So he was a venture capitalist?

I really don't much about him business wise.

[Blue_true]

162. Yes, pretty successful one.

Generally those firms work by comittee, even if one person leads it, that person can be outvoted on investment decisions.

To his credit, he set up a venture fund based in Silicon Valley that is funding cutting edge clean energy research and development. Bloomberg has also been very active in that area, so the two billionaires are the only people up on stage who have done more than just talk about fighting climate change.

[PatSeg]

163. That's good to hear

I'm glad they have done some good in the business world, though I really don't want another businessman as president. Meanwhile, there is so much good they can do with their money aside from running a presidential campaign.

[Blue_true]

158. He also invested in coal at one time. But he is vastly different now. nt

[highplainsdem]

93. Good question for Biden from Gayle King (and she'll probably be accused of a softball question).

[zackymilly]

106. Already been done. Look below for 'softball' comment. n/t

[a kennedy]

96. ALL I WANT TO KNOW IS.....WHO IS GOING TO WIN ON NOV. 3rd???

Vote BLUE.......But??? Who of these candidates can kick the orange piece of shit’s ass. IF tRump should win??? I swear to gawd I will make sure tRump won’t take office. Come and get me......

[LaurenOlimina]

100. Softball to Biden

[ecstatic]

108. Glad Biden got the number right this time. 150 MILLION gun deaths

Last time he said 150 thousand.

[brooklynite]

113. Bernie tries to equate voting against weapons ban with trade votes?

That goes over well...

[zackymilly]

115. Bernie got booed for his deflection. nt

[PatSeg]

138. Yeah deflection bombed

[Renew Deal]

109. Sanders got the gun question and said "Joe voted for a terrible trade agreement"

[Blue_true]

160. Yeah, but 30,000+ people per year didn't die. nt

[Politicub]

110. Glad Biden is highlighting Bernie's vote against keeping

gun manufacturers liable for how their products are used in crimes.

[highplainsdem]

111. Bernie dodging the question about his voting record on gun manufacturer liability. Or trying to.

He was booed.

[elleng]

117. Tried to set the record straight, awkwardly.

[tishaLA]

112. The junior senator from VT wants to turn 5 votes against Brady

into one bad vote. LOL

[Renew Deal]

118. Sanders says he lost an election 30 years ago because he supported a assault weapons ban then.

That's a bullshit answer. He lost his election, so he later opposed a ban.

[LizBeth]

128. Didn't he lose election cause third party then sold his vote to Dems so they would not put up

a viable candidate and took money from NRA?

[ecstatic]

119. Wow, Bernie does a trump style deflection on his gun votes.

SMH. These weren't isolated mistakes either. You've been consistent in your pro-gun votes.

[Renew Deal]

129. That was bad.

[LaurenOlimina]

122. Mansplaining? Or is Amy flat wrong?

[Sparkly]

125. Interrupting the woman.

AGAIN.

[apcalc]

146. Grrrrr. I hate that.

[Politicub]

123. Oh god. I feel uncle dick and his deer stand is going to make an appearance.

And there it is...

[mdelaguna]

126. Lol.

[Sparkly]

132. She made a point, if anyone heard her.

[tishaLA]

124. "How are we going to have a revolution if you won't even support

a rule change?"

OUCH

[apcalc]

147. +100

[handmade34]

130. "Uncle Dick in the deer stand"

you go Uncle Dick

[Celerity]

140. hopefully Uncle Dick didn't have all beer and no foam before he climbed up the tree with a gun

[blm]

131. Holy smokes Warren and Pete bonding over filibusters

[nilesobek]

145. Pete is very composed. They were all shouting and raising their hands.

Good form Pete.

[ecstatic]

135. How are we going to support a revolution if you won't even support a rule change?

Good one, Pete!

[frazzled]

136. Sanders has not been "hard on the insurance industry"

At least not on the captive insurance industry in Vermont—the largest (onshore) offshore tax haven outside of the Cayman Islands. When the IRS tried to reign in their practices, Bernie helped to stop it. It’s the biggest industry in Vermont and a huge giveaway to corporations across the country.

[MustLoveBeagles]

137. Just posted another debate thread

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287582302

[elleng]

144. Thanks, and thanks for a new moderator.

[Renew Deal]

139. Steyer supports 12 year limits in the House and Senate

[highplainsdem]

143. Thread 3:

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287582302

[brooklynite]

157. Did everyone get an Anti-MfA ad during the second debate break?