Nevada Unions When Your Strike Fails And You Lose Your Healthcare Don't Beg Bernie To Help You

[DanieRains]

Even though he will work his ass off to make sure every one of you and your neighbors will have better, cheaper, and non corporate controlled rape care like you all have now.

One day what will happen to you is what has happened to ALMOST ALL UNIONS.

Medicare for all, for half price per capita.

My wife's prescription is 10 times as expensive as it is overseas.

My mother in law's treatment is 10 times as much money here (billing Medicaid) as it is overseas for exactly the same treatment.

Is Bernie the only one smart enough to realize how badly we are being robbed, while we die.

87 million uninsured, or under insured.

Yes Nevada Unions you have health care. For now.

Try keeping it.....

[Hassin Bin Sober]

1. Don't blame the membership.

[tiredtoo]

7. Agree with you 100 percent.

In the last election/primary the SEIU spent a year going around the country supporting actions for a $15 dollar minimum wage. Bernie also supported this wage. Hillary was more in line with working toward that figure maybe $12.50 minimum wage.
The union came out in support of Hillary. Say what? Union management does not always walk like they talk.

[LanternWaste]

84. As long as you can find someone to blame...

That seems the important thing... can't allow his robes to touch the dirt.

[squirecam]

2. They have managed to keep it so far

And they like what they bargained for.

[DanieRains]

10. Until The Next Recession When It Is Gone

Then they will be begging for treatment like 87 million other Americans.

And going bankrupt if they get sick with their "new" deal.

Open your eyes Nevada.

Let's just fix the problem.

No, not the billionaires don't have enough wealth problem, but the fact that almost every American will go bankrupt if they get sick problem. Maybe it is time to wise up? Maybe paying twice as much for crappier care than the rest of the advanced world while we all are being robbed blind.

We pay more in co-pays than other nations pay for better care with ZERO CO-PAYS.

Time to do something about corporate rapecare insurance.

[LanternWaste]

85. So many prophecies, so little time...

I dig the Old Testament-style narrative though... its a good narrative for sacred cows.

[BlueMTexpat]

64. And when they loses their jobs?

What happens then?

[Act_of_Reparation]

72. No one likes their insurance plan.

I have a union plan. It's appreciably less shitty than other employer plans out there, but it is far from fucking ideal. Union members don't "like" their plans; they are afraid of losing something shitty for something awful.

[Moostache]

77. I do not have union benefits, but I have corporate health care...

My diabetes has been progressively getting worse for years (I have really bad numbers and cannot get on top of them without essentially resorting to extreme dietary restrictions that I find impossible to maintain long term), one of the treatments that was actually helping my A1C and Glucose levels was coupling a long-release insulin (Tresiba) with Bolus fast-acting insulin (Humalog) taken at meals.

I was denied coverage for Tresiba three times, including two denied appeals from my doctor (a board certified expert in endocrinology), and told that the Tresiba is a plan exclusion and also unnecessary treatment. They over-ruled my doctor and ignored my actual results because the do not have a deal with the manufacturer of Tresiba to offer the coverage that would help me...to remain on the treatment would run me nearly $1,200 every 3 months and would be 100% uncovered. It may also void some other plan provisions written into the fine print that could lead to denial of coverage for covered medications when using non-covered exclusions...so if I choose to stay on the Tresiba, they retain the right to then drop my other covered options.

I am about to be placed on an insulin pump in the next few days in a last ditch effort to control my diabetes and allow me to basically survive beyond the next 5 years. Even with insurance, this is an unbudgeted $2,500 out of pocket hit that is going to be due in the next 60 days - or I have offered a payment plan option that elevates the total cost above $3,500 to me, but spreads it our over 3 years of monthly payments...which does NOT include the out of pocket cost of the supplies and insulin until I reach $5,000 annual out of pocket costs...

If I hear ANYONE else talk about how fucking great corporate or union provided insurance is, I am going to lose my fucking mind.

INSURANCE of ANY KIND that is FOR PROFIT does not care about YOU...in fact, it WANTS you DEAD as soon as possible to save those precious $$$$'s. They DO NOT MAKE MONEY providing care...that is a DEBIT on their expense sheet....you are not assets to them, you are a liability to be removed ASAP. A comprehensive solution, regardless of the route to get there, MUST be the goal. My rage and depression continues to grow daily in this failing shithole country of ours and I fear what I may be motivated to do if I become terminal...this is no way to live, its more like a nightmare than a dream...

[rusty fender]

91. Your experience illustrates why

Warren wants to do away with private insurance plans: they’re only great until you get sick.

[BlueIdaho]

3. Don't beg Bernie for Help?

Wow... just wow...

[DanieRains]

6. We Got Ours To Heck With the Other 320 Million Americans!

Anyone see a problem with this attitude?

If America paid what the rest of the advanced world paid, they would all be making $8,000 more a year.

Hey, don't let reality get in the way.

I know it is all about fear. I don't blame them for fighting to "keep their health insurance" now. They just don't realize it is only a matter of time before it is gone.

Welcome to winner take all capitalism.

The billionaires that own the places they work will need a higher return in due time. Them new yachts need paid for now don't they...

[BlueIdaho]

11. I'm sorry but the message you seem to be sending is

“Support Bernie now - or you can go fuck yourself later.” Please tell that’s not really what you are trying to say.

[DanieRains]

31. We Need To Go On Offense Not "Keep What We Got"

Babe Ruth never bunted.

Who was the greatest bunter of all time?

Crickets.

Thank God they elected Roosevelt, and not a centrist.....

[BlueIdaho]

38. I suggest you google

Babe Ruth bunting...

[DanieRains]

45. Yes He Bunted But That Is Not What He Is Remembered For

Never was wrong.

Rarely.

[LanternWaste]

86. I dig the way you aggressively move the goalposts as you go on...

I get it... gotta keep the narrative from sinking under the weight of reality.

[lapucelle]

103. Democrats elected Roosevelt. That would be "we", not "they".

[MH1]

105. Yup, that's the Bernie Sanders campaign for ya, huh? nt

[emmaverybo]

4. If they have vestment, which could be as early as early 50's, they can have Med benefits for

life as well as pension.

[DanieRains]

5. Until They Lose A Strike

Unions are getting weaker by the day.

Counting on a union to provide anything can be suicidal.

I hope they all have great lives and great retirements in Nevada.

Every single union is being eaten alive unfortunately.

They used to strike for better terms. Now they strike to keep from losing too much each session.

EVERY SINGLE UNION IS GETTING WEAKER.

Welcome to a corporate ran country.

Next recession their healthcare will be on the chopping block to "save their jobs".

I went to Vegas during the recession. They forget so quickly? Foreclosure capital of the planet.

Their "good" healthcare will be stripped away. It's only a matter of time.

Just ask GM employees how their health care is compared to 20, 30, or 40 years ago.

There is your answer.

[tiredtoo]

9. yep for sure

As a retired GM worker, i can attest to everything you said here.

[DanieRains]

12. BINGO

Is it that hard for people to open their eyes.

Roger and Me?

Sicko.

When will we figure it out?

[dware]

67. I don't have to worry about health care,

I'm retired military, my health care benefits are secured.

[DanieRains]

81. Riiiiiight

You never heard of Republicans?

[LanternWaste]

87. At this point, I'm wondering if you have.

Absolutist nonsense is a good bill-of-goods, but not too inspiring.

[dware]

94. They haven't messed with my insurance yet,

and I seriously doubt they will, at least not in my life time.
I'm 74 years old, my time on this planet is coming to an end, what happens after that is up to the younger generation and I wish them all the luck in the world.

[emmaverybo]

29. Ok. But M4All isn't ready to go and isn't the only plan by which to get universal healthcare. So for

now, they have affordable plans they like. This election year, they like what they have and don’t want to give it up.

[DanieRains]

32. They Won't Have To Until Something Better Is Available - For All

Fear.....

My friend has healthcare with an $8,000 deductible.

You think he has $8,000 cash with a sick wife, and autistic chile?

He has to have a blood pressure monitor.

Stress from "lack of healthcare". And he's insured. For $15,000 a year and $8,000 deductible.

Our system of profit for the 1% when you get sick is idiotic.

[brush]

54. Your argument might go better if you called for more unions. Unions always raise wages...

and bargain for better healhcare. Threatening them is not the way to go, in fact, it's silly and a way to lose votes.

[DanieRains]

57. Agreed - More Unions Would Be Awesome

The 1% work overtime to make sure they don't form. Mostly by bribing and threatening Republicans.

In China I heard if you try to organize a union they kill you.

We're not there yet. Yet....

[mchill]

8. I get it, you don't

I have af fantastic healthcare at 66. I have Medicare and my employer provided insurance pays 100% of what Medicare doesn’t. When Medicare won’t pay, my employer provided insurance pays 100%. My employer paid about $500 monthly premium for 34 years for me. $204,000 I lost in theoretic wages, before interest. I love what I have now and I don’t want to lose it, nor is my employer (or Bernie) going to pay me back for those lost wages. There is no way m4All is going to be as good, nor will it be for free.

Then when M4all is instituted, insurance companies will still be lurking. Can’t outlaw insurance companies in a capitalist nation. We will end up with public mediocre care and private hospitals with better doctors who want more money than a public option pays. People like me will now have to go buy insurance, on my own, to supplement the public option, to get the healthcare equivalent to the healthcare I get now. Look at what has happened in NZ and Australia. Healthcare for the haves and have nots. We really do not have that now as they do down under. This is why union workers, government employees and people who work or worked for large corporations do not want M4all.

Also, I stayed in this job for this insurance.

Offer a public option. If it is so much better than what the private market offers, the private market will die, but to force people into a plan they don’t want is insane.

This is why M4All will be a big loser in November. Guaranteed.

[tiredtoo]

14. well good for you

After 30 years of working at GM i retired. One of the benefits was GM provided health insurance along with a nice pension. Lo and behold insurance was going up at a speedy rate. Gm stopped paying for my health insurance they gave me an extra $300 in my pension per month. That was for me and my wife. It covered my insurance for about 2 years. My wife died about 4 years ago, I am now paying about $400 a month for insurance coverage for just me.
Don't think for a minute your former employer won't do the same when they get a chance. Profit is the name of the game and Greed is good!

[DanieRains]

16. You Are Partially Right - Too Many People Have No Idea How Bad It Is

My wife's job covers my fantastic care.

She can't quit.

Trapped.

I, like you have great healthcare for now. I am luck. Millions of others are not so lucky. And you have no idea how badly my wife is treated at work, and discriminated against. Is is sickening. Her new job at same institution seems a lot better now. Thank God.

Imagine if the same insurance was available to EVERYONE for an affordable price. Maybe by taxes paid on the things that make us sick like crap food, sugar, and pollution. Pre-pay for all our care by the garbage that makes millions sick is my idea.

We can get there.

The billionaire owned brainwashing media will make sure no one ever understands what is really going on as far as the thousands of people dying each year from inadequate care.

When we were fighting over Obamacare, did anyone go interview the people who lost loved ones because they couldn't afford treatment, or medicine? Hell now. And still the insurance companies got paid first before anyone got treated.

We are being raped, and no one seems to admit it.

Sad....

[brooklynite]

18. Ditto...

I have lifetime healthcare for me and my wife from my Government agency. Would I deny anyone access to the Medicare system? No. But I wouldn't automatically switch if I had the choice, and I see the immense risk of re-elect Trump if we campaign on a no-choice program.

[DanieRains]

23. If We Took The Profit Out And Spent The Money On Better Care For All

It makes sense.

I am lucky to have insurance through my wife's guvvmint job.

Millions aren't so lucky.

We can fix this brooklynite!

The billionaires think they need to be paid. Our lives mean nothing to them. Don't forget.

[brooklynite]

25. Yes, we CAN fix this...over time, and AFTER we win the election.

Nobody has convinced me that Sanders can win on MfA with no private option.

[Blue_true]

100. NO!!!!!! Give people a choice. Those that want to buy into a Medicare like plan can,

people that feel that their healthcare fits their needs can keep it.

You can give all types of doomsday scenarios of companies revolking healthcare, people are not going to bulge, that is the reality, if we insist on ignoring that reality, Trump wins re-election and the country is in big, big trouble because there will be nothing that constrains him in his mind.

[mchill]

26. But we get labeled as selfish

Notice the “good for you” comment. I am single, retired and live on a pension. I have nothing left to give up, financially, believe me, and the one thing that works for me is my healthcare that I worked 34 years to have in my retirement.

The point is not “me” though. The point is the millions of “me’s” who will not vote their healthcare away for something that is only an idea, and imho, only a back of the envelope idea that seems unworkable without tax increases. Personally, I’ve seen the pitfalls of an exclusively public option down under.

We will get Trump if the Dem candidate is set on M4all, even if we really know it will never pass in Congress. Most voters don’t know that. There are too many like me and Trump will win.

[DanieRains]

33. Because The Media Has Them All Scared Of Getting Something Better For Less

We pay twice as much for crappier care, with millions facing death, or bankruptcy if they get sick.

[mchill]

42. The media has nothing to do with it

Study what has happened Down Under with single payer.

I like what I have and I paid for it.

[DanieRains]

59. Murdoch Has Half Of Australia Hypnotized

They vote against their best interest regularly.

Corporate power is the problem there.

That and food that amounts to poison.

29% obesity rate would make all insurance underwater.

Here it is even worse.

And we are subsidizing Australia's healthcare by paying more for our medications.

[mchill]

93. And they have single payer

The haves buy extra insurance over the public option and get to go to private hospitals with higher paid nurses and get the best doctors who charge a premium.

[Blue_true]

101. No, people have an idea of what is best for them or their family.

The media has nothing to do with that. That logic is just like Trump's deep state BS, some controlling hand taking over people's thoughts. Accept that most people DON'T want MFA right now, maybe they will in the future, but I promise you that if we nominate someone that wants to cram MFA down people's throats, we lose badly in November.

[dware]

102. And, for an added benefit,

probably the House and there goes our chance to maybe regain the Senate.

[Blue_true]

104. And the Supreme Court for the rest of most people here lives.

We can't screw this up. People need to stop pushing fantasy "change" or implying that something that doesn't happen on a large scale (companies taking away good healthcare) will certainly happen without MFA hanging over people's heads. Sanders has done an exceptionally poor job of defining how his version of MFA would work, the general public won't go for that.

[emmaverybo]

30. [phone]

[brooklynite]

13. DEFINITELY the tone to take with potential voters.....

[squirecam]

20. This is going to be in the news

All week. And at the debate.

Mess with the culinary union at your peril.

Can’t wait to see the fireworks this week around town. Going to see how many events I can attend.

[DanieRains]

24. Have A Great Time This Week!

Hanging around with other Democrats is awesome.

[Codeine]

15. How about not throwing around the word "rape"

like an edgy teen; I get what you’re trying to do but that’s a word with some actual weight and meaning and psychological significance to it and it shouldn’t be used casually for rhetorical impact.

[DanieRains]

19. Try Paying $1,300 A Month For Insulin That Costs $250 In Canada

Calling it rape is being nice.

Sorry, don't mean to trigger anyone.

Just live with diabetes.

[Codeine]

22. "Calling it rape is being nice."

Yeahhhhhh, no. Your insulin costs suck, nobody on DU is likely to disagree with that. Having a stranger put his dick in your ass is another thing entirely. You’re clearly an articulate adult; you can find a better word.

[LanternWaste]

89. Rationalizing nonsense as something else doesn't actually mean it is something else.

Fooling oneself is cute and adorable... as long as we realize we have a long way to go prior to fooling others.

Fooling oneself that 2+2 has one and only one correct answer indicates a lazy mind. Realizing that 2+2 also = 6-4 rather than yelling no one is listening is the first step away from that laziness.

[cwydro]

66. Yeah, noticed that too.

Clueless.

[Cal Carpenter]

17. But Bernie would help you anyway

because that's what he's about.

And so would anyone who understands solidarity.

eta: also, really bad use of the r word. Not ok.

[DanieRains]

21. Starbucks Pays More For Healthcare For Employees Than Coffee

Insane.

Them drug stock owners need bigger yachts, and faster private jets now don't they?

[SidDithers]

27. What in his history leads you to believe that Bernie will "work his ass off"?...nt

Sid

[DanieRains]

28. History

A billionaire ran America is the greatest threat to the world.

Bernie, and a few others have the courage to say it.

While the "centrists" clutch their pearls, 500 species a day go extinct, and 400 Billion tons of ice melt per year.

The system needs a shock, not a tickle.

But don't blame me. My home "area" burns every single year.

[Callado119]

34. So he's only talked..

..and given speeches. Never worked his ass off or accomplished much of anything. We’re already experiencing a “shock” to the system brought about by an incompetent faux populist leader. I’ll pass on a repeat..

[DanieRains]

36. And What Has Al Gore Done?

It's not what you do, it's who you wake up.

It's up to us, not Bernie, Amy, or Pete, or even Joe.

Without "the people" nothing gets done.

"After his election in 1932, FDR met with Sidney Hillman and other labor leaders, many of them active Socialists with whom he had worked over the past decade or more. Hillman and his allies arrived with plans they wanted the new President to implement. Roosevelt told them: "I agree with you, I want to do it, now make me do it."

It wasn't up to FDR. It was up to us.

Bernie has the balls to take on the media owners, and corporate gods. The folks who decide how much money I will end up with when they get done robbing me, and poisoning my family while my land burns for their oil stock profits.

Bernie says we need a revolution, not just a socialist Jew with no power.

We need one hell of a revolution.

I guess many don't want to rock the boat while it is going down, and burning at the same time.

When the permafrost melts in the Arctic it is game over for growing food on the Earth.

Time to act, not clutch pearls.

[squirecam]

53. Al Gore

Would have been the best president the environment ever had.

Unfortunately Nader voters had to ruin everything.

[DanieRains]

55. Jeb Bush's Crosscheck Kicking 100,000 Legitimate Voters Off The Rolls In Florida

Minority names.

Then the Supreme Court Coup.

It wasn't Nader.

Then there is Murdoch.

[Cha]

58. Nader had to lie his damn head off.. "Tweedle Dum & Tweedle Dee"

[redstateblues]

40. Ooh Those evil centrists that make up most of the Democratic Party!

MFA will sink whoever runs on it. Raising taxes to start over with a plan that doesn’t have a price tag yet will not win the GE and we will have four more of the Fascist.

[dware]

99. The only thing notable that Bernie has accomplished in the Senate

is to get 2 Post Offices renamed, given that, what would lead you to believe that he will fight for, and win, the battle for M4A?

[quickesst]

35. K&R....

"Nevada Unions When Your Strike Fails And You Lose Your Healthcare Don't Beg Bernie (Me) To Help You"

My advice is that Bernie should open every rally, and every Union Hall speech with this line. A sure winner!








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[Cha]

41. Absolutely.

[quickesst]

62. ******

[greenjar_01]

44. ROFL

You literally have to include a sarcasm tag on that for summadem.

[quickesst]

63. maybe.....

....but I assumed the eyes and the stuck-out tongue at the bottom would be a clue.

[dware]

69. +100. nt

[quickesst]

73. the attacks by Sanders supporters....

.... aimed toward the Culinary Union aren't helping his cause either.

[dware]

95. Yep.

Bernie's supporters are his worst enemies, they just can't seem to STFU.

[oasis]

37. "A bird in the hand...."

[marlakay]

39. I told my hubby what his union wanted

He laughed and said no one pays attention to that!

[greenjar_01]

43. Wow

That was terrible.

[DanieRains]

46. Who Cares About The 300 Million People Who Will Go Bankrupt Or Die If They Get Sick In America

When 30 million have great insurance!!!!

Year fear does matter.

It is sad.

Obamacare moved the needle a little in the right direction. Now it is time to fix the problem.

Unfortunately the way Americans are going obese, no health care system will provide for them without collapsing.

https://www.medpagetoday.com/practicemanagement/practicemanagement/52986

Imagine not eating everything we want when we want and just buying bigger, and bigger, and bigger clothes.....

[dware]

70. Yeah,

it's called freedom of choice.

[DanieRains]

82. When You Expect Others To Pay For

Your choices?

Something is not right.

[Gothmog]

47. sanders supporters are doxing leaders of the Culinary Union

Link to tweet

[Cha]

49. :(

[Gothmog]

61. This is wrong

Link to tweet

[DanieRains]

83. Or Putin Did It

Anyone sure?

[dware]

96. Given the history of Bernie's supporters,

I'm quite sure it is Bernie's supporters and they are Bernie's worst enemies.

But I guess they think that's the way to swing the support of the NV. Culinary Union to Bernie's side.
It's such a brilliant strategy.

Just in case this is needed:

[mcar]

65. Because of course they are

[Codeine]

71. Bros gonna bro. nt

[Gothmog]

75. There is a pattern

Link to tweet

[Gothmog]

48. Joe Biden's statement on attacks on the Culinary Union by sanders supporters

Link to tweet

[DanieRains]

56. Imagine If Health Care Was Taken Care Of And Unions Could Barter For Other Things

What an idea.

Wow.

How'd I think of that?

I should get a job doing rocket science, or brain surgery.

I feel like the dude in Idiocracy.

[Bumperstickers]

50. Agree 100 percent

Im from a union household and I support Medicare for all because we spend Half our time fighting management to keep our healthcare every 3 yrs instead of fighting for other important things.

Every new contract we get healthcare threats.

[RandySF]

51. Why can't we just agree on a Medicare option?

Why does it have to be all or nothing?

[dware]

97. Exactly!!!

If someone wants to keep their private insurance, or, as in my case, my military bennies, then they should be able to.

It is, after all, this thing called freedom of choice.

[fleabiscuit]

52. The internet is an excellent source of information. I really like No.1

https://personalexcellence.co/blog/new-friends/

[Gothmog]

60. I support Joe Biden's approach

Link to tweet

[Zolorp]

68. I'm sure thousands of union members will be convinced to vote Sanders with an argument like that!

[NurseJackie]

79. It's representative of the tone and type of rhetoric that the BS campaign has always put out.

The campaign has been bitter, the staffers have been arrogant and spiteful, the surrogates have been dishonest. The entire BS organization has been a cesspool of contempt and negativity... and unfortunately nearly all of that has been aimed at DEMOCRATS or the DEMOCRATIC PARTY rather than at those who truly deserve it: Trump, the GOP, and Russia.

It used to be more subtle and nuanced. Now the BS campaign doesn't care... and people are realizing that they don't like what they're seeing.

Oh well.

[yardwork]

74. This is a winning approach. /sarcasm

[Squinch]

76. "Nyah, nyah, nyah."

[NurseJackie]

78. Exactly.

[dware]

98. I love that movie,

Tom Hanks was excellent.

[showblue22]

80. Lol

As if Bernie is really going to solve the health care crises. Lol

[xmas74]

88. More hatred towards unions.

Lovely

[tishaLA]

90. "When people tell you who they are, believe them"

And thank you for helping me out in that regard because I see a post that celebrates vengeful, unprincipled behavior that IMO speaks poorly of the candidate.

[comradebillyboy]

92. Why would they need Bernie's help? They won their benefits

without Bernie's help. What's he going to do for them? Anyone can see how weak his legislative record is. Who really believes he can pass any of his pie in the sky proposals?