Democratic Primaries
Related: About this forumIowa just reported to 100%..Pete up 1.5 delegates
https://results.thecaucuses.org/Candidate
SDE
National Delegates
Bennet
0
-
Biden
341.172
-
Bloomberg
0.21
-
Buttigieg
564.012
-
Delaney
0
-
Gabbard
0.114
-
Klobuchar
264.204
-
Patrick
0
-
Sanders
562.497
-
Steyer
6.739
-
Warren
387.069
-
Yang
22.223
-
Other
0.693
-
Uncommitted
3.957
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
George II
(67,782 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
jezebel321
(278 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Cha
(297,184 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Legends303
(481 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Zolorp
(1,115 posts)The SDEs are based upon number of registered Democrats in each precinct. Those who show up represent ALL of the Democrats in their precinct.
So popular votes don't mean poop, only the SDEs matter.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
George II
(67,782 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)With him the tide shifts based upon what he thinks is best for him and his campaign.
To me that is inconsistent and too much like what we are seeing from Trump. But I guess that makes sense in a way, both Trump and Bernie run populist campaigns that focus on what is wrong and not the abundance of what is right, so they collect a core of diehards that, IMO, believe that they are being played for suckers by the "system" or "establishment". The Press is afraid to attack Trump because he turns on it and accuse it of being out to get him, Bernie has done some of the very same wording. If push comes to shove I certainly would infinitely rather have Bernie as President, but the similarities in how the two campaign and treat the Press, and people that don't agree with them is demoralizing to watch.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
radical noodle
(8,000 posts)This Iowa race has spotlighted it.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
redstateblues
(10,565 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Peacetrain
(22,875 posts)It was nuts.. You are either a caucus or you are a primary..
EDIT TO ADD: and it is the Iowa Democratic Partys fault for trying to please everyone. They should have said no!! we are a caucus or start the process of becoming a primary. Jezzz
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)People go to meetings, and decide in groups - they don't cast individual votes.
A group makes a decision.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
LiberalFighter
(50,912 posts)Delegates are determined by the average of the last 3 presidential general elections for the Democratic candidate for each state. (At least it was in 2016 and think it still is.)
Now the states determine how the delegates are allocated for each of their congressional district. Here in Indiana it is the average of the Democratic vote for Governor in 2016 and Secretary of State in 2018 divided by 400.
Even though congressional districts are created to be as near as possible the same population in each district, not every district has the same number of number of national convention delegates. The voter turnout for Democrats is the factor.
States with similar population do not all have nearly the same number of national delegates. In 2016, Missouri had a 2010 population of 6,021,988 and had 71 national delegates while
Wisconsin's 2010 population is 5,726,386 with 86 delegates. All because of voter turnout for the Democratic candidates in last 3 presidential.
The allocation for district delegates to state conventions is of the same nature.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Generic Brad
(14,274 posts)I just saw a report on Kos that stated that.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
pnwmom
(108,977 posts)are accepting that they don't produce popular vote winners.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
StevieM
(10,500 posts)That was quite the victory!!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
honest.abe
(8,678 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
highplainsdem
(48,974 posts)If he'd been entirely confident he'd be ahead in state delegate equivalents when the vote was completely tallied, he'd have waited.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
DanTex
(20,709 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
George II
(67,782 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)"I'm not really interested in the vote totals" you said, because what was important was the EC.
I like to think that I've had an influence on you, and this just isn't a double standard you have.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Zolorp
(1,115 posts)And Sanders spent $50 million, TO LOSE!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Iowa was a boondoggle for Bernie given the blowout predictions and expectations from his supporters.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
former9thward
(31,997 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Zolorp
(1,115 posts)Best answer? Not much.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
HarlanPepper
(2,042 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
George II
(67,782 posts)...that calculates to less than 2 voters per volunteer. A veritable juggernaut of a ground game.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
NJCher
(35,661 posts)you need to read up on how the delegates break out. There is no one definitive winner like you are implying. It can be said that Bernie won and Pete won, but it cannot be said that Sanders lost.
If you need help in understanding what happened, read down thread. There are some good posts that explain it.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Zolorp
(1,115 posts)Sanders lost.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
NJCher
(35,661 posts)I'm sure I'm not the only one who wants to see it.
Waiting....
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Zolorp
(1,115 posts)With that, buh bye..
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
NJCher
(35,661 posts)Who are you to make that statement? You're just some poster on the internet. You have no credibility, no authority, and quite obviously no knowledge of the situation. If you did, you'd have a source. Your claim is uninformed and unreliable. No one should take it seriously.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
elleng
(130,891 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
ancianita
(36,048 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Legends303
(481 posts)but it seems Pete won less than 0.1% which anything at this point can flip it back.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ancianita
(36,048 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
radical noodle
(8,000 posts)but they said they only recount if a candidate asks for it.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Celerity
(43,333 posts)https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/06/us/politics/iowa-recanvass-meaning.html
Tom Perez, the chairman of the Democratic National Committee, demanded on Thursday that Iowa Democrats double-check votes from Mondays caucuses after a meltdown in reporting results.
Mr. Perez mentioned a recanvass. There is also the possibility of a recount.
Whats the difference? In short: A recanvass involves checking the math on 1,756 precinct work sheets. A recount would require the hand-counting of about 180,000 preference cards from caucusgoers across the state and around the world.
snip
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
radical noodle
(8,000 posts)You're right it was recanvass. I heard on the news that they wouldn't do it unless a candidate asked, but I see nothing wrong with checking math. In fact, I think math should always be checked particularly if it's as complicated as the caucus math.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Celerity
(43,333 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
bluewater
(5,376 posts)Congratulations to Pete and his supporters and good luck going forward.
Hey, I wish MY candidate won by 0.085% instead of coming in third. lol
In other news, frontrunner Joe Biden still a distant 4th.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
HarlanPepper
(2,042 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
radical noodle
(8,000 posts)with progressive voters. I think she'd make a better candidate in the GE than sanders would. She has better plans than sanders, too.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
krissey
(1,205 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Blue Owl
(50,355 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Johnny2X2X
(19,060 posts)Every candidate should want to move on. The party should want to move on. The voters should want to move on.
Its not a winner take all system. Were literally going through all of this embarrassment for maybe 1 delegate that will mean nothing in a few weeks.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
HarlanPepper
(2,042 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
still_one
(92,187 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
greenjar_01
(6,477 posts)shooting pits.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
radical noodle
(8,000 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
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HarlanPepper
(2,042 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
msongs
(67,401 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Scurrilous
(38,687 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
HarlanPepper
(2,042 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Watchfoxheadexplodes
(3,496 posts)Now
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
StevieM
(10,500 posts)There will probably be only 5 candidates going on to Nevada, 6 if you count Bloomberg, who won't be campaigning there.
The remaining candidates after New Hampshire will likely be Biden, Bloomberg, Buttigieg, Sanders, Steyer and Warren.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Politicub
(12,165 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Garrett78
(10,721 posts)...the national/pledged delegates, of which there are 41 from Iowa, are what matter. Nobody will get a fraction of a delegate. Sanders and Buttigieg will each end up with 12-14, Warren maybe 7-9, Biden 3-5 and Klobuchar 1.
The Iowa Caucus process is always ridiculous, but it's especially so this year (and not just because of the fiasco). Contrary to what many posters have said, there are, in fact, 2 winners. Like it or not, the agreement this time around was for there to be 3 results. The pre-alignment vote total (won by Sanders), the final vote total (won by Sanders) and the state delegate equivalents (won by Buttigieg). This is all assuming they don't do a total recount and come up with different results.
It's not hard to understand why there's so much confusion regarding the results and what they mean, and that would be true even if the process had gone smoothly.
Anyway, caucuses should be banned. Many people are not able or willing to take part in a long and public spectacle.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
SunSeeker
(51,550 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Garrett78
(10,721 posts)There's the pre-alignment vote total (Sanders), the final vote total (Sanders by a narrower margin) and the state delegate equivalents (Buttigieg).
It's screwy, I know, but that was what was agreed to for this year's Iowa Caucus.
In terms of the nomination, what matters are the 41 pledged (national) delegates. Not the county convention delegates or the state delegates.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
amuse bouche
(3,657 posts)He is such a breath of fresh air
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
AverageJoe
(2,292 posts)On to New Hampshire!
And remember, when the time comes, Vote Blue No Matter Who!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
bhikkhu
(10,715 posts)and find it pretty early to not simply be happy that two very good choices are doing well. I'd have liked Warren to do better, but I'm happy for Mayor Pete.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Fresh_Start
(11,330 posts)BS with 30 years, still doesn't understand.
Hmmm who would you want to trust with complex decisions at the international level?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Nanjeanne
(4,959 posts)Simply put, SDEs are not delegates. But with some math, SDEs are converted to the proportional amount of delegates a candidate gets in each precinct.
They will likely get the same number of actual delegates.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
bluewater
(5,376 posts)So Pete might be +1 in final delegates even though the results are virtually identical, if that is true.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Nanjeanne
(4,959 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided