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Gothmog

(147,372 posts)
Mon Dec 30, 2019, 11:11 PM Dec 2019

Bernie Sanders Drops 7 Points In 2 Weeks With Early State Voters




Support for Sanders has fallen seven points among Democratic primary voters in Iowa, Nevada, New Hampshire or South Carolina since our last survey conducted before the Democratic presidential debate on Dec. 19, as front-runner and former Vice President Joe Biden opens up a 16-point gap over the Vermont senator with those early-state voters.

– At a respective 32% and 21% in this latest tracking poll, the standings of Biden and Sanders are essentially unchanged among Democratic primary voters nationwide since early February.

– Buttigieg has risen from virtual obscurity in February to sit at 8% nationally, and while Warren has seen her support fall in recent months, her five-point increase since February places her as a top candidate.....

The negative view is that Sen. Sanders has a high floor for his support, but he also appears to have firm ceiling on how high he can go. Pete Buttigieg has taken away voters who might be looking for a non-Biden option, and Elizabeth Warren has taken voters on the left who in 2016 went to Sanders by default. Buttigieg Warren and are equally well funded and they will be in the primary for the long term. If Sanders doesn’t win early, there is a chance that he doesn’t win at all.
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Bernie Sanders Drops 7 Points In 2 Weeks With Early State Voters (Original Post) Gothmog Dec 2019 OP
In 2016 they were saying nobody knew him. Now in 2020 it may be a situation where everyone knows him George II Dec 2019 #1
Embarrassment of Riches StClone Dec 2019 #2
He was asked a loaded question and gave a beautiful answer. Sure, but i can't think of one still_one Dec 2019 #6
Puckish reply-is kind of my humor StClone Dec 2019 #7
What does this have to do with the OP Cha Dec 2019 #16
Because Bernie's drop may suggest intense competition StClone Dec 2019 #18
It's clickbait. I would ignore it. underthematrix Dec 2019 #3
The MC early state poll judeling Dec 2019 #4
the man just has a shitton of baggage. just like hillary. mopinko Dec 2019 #5
Caveat for Hillary StClone Dec 2019 #10
kinda proves my point. the ammunition was racked up, and their trigger fingers itched. mopinko Dec 2019 #12
No 40 years of Hunting of the Clintons StClone Dec 2019 #13
i'm not disagreeing w you, at.all. mopinko Dec 2019 #14
To me... not surprising... Thekaspervote Dec 2019 #8
"If Sanders doesn't win early, there is a chance that he doesn't win at all." pnwmom Dec 2019 #9
Iowa and New Hampshire are two states where sanders has to do well in Gothmog Dec 2019 #11
Thank you. I thought that was a brilliant line. Stand and Fight Dec 2019 #15
I am looking forward to the South Carolina primary Gothmog Dec 2019 #17
+1 oasis Jan 2020 #20
@BernieSanders ⁩ is at 10% with Black voters Gothmog Jan 2020 #19
Which is 5 times more support than Booker has Tom Rinaldo Jan 2020 #21
 

George II

(67,782 posts)
1. In 2016 they were saying nobody knew him. Now in 2020 it may be a situation where everyone knows him
Mon Dec 30, 2019, 11:14 PM
Dec 2019
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StClone

(11,714 posts)
2. Embarrassment of Riches
Mon Dec 30, 2019, 11:18 PM
Dec 2019
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still_one

(92,748 posts)
6. He was asked a loaded question and gave a beautiful answer. Sure, but i can't think of one
Mon Dec 30, 2019, 11:29 PM
Dec 2019

Biden or any Democratic candidate is not goint to choose a republican VP

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StClone

(11,714 posts)
7. Puckish reply-is kind of my humor
Mon Dec 30, 2019, 11:54 PM
Dec 2019

If that is Joe's thing to show how forlorn the R's are, it does make me chuckle.

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Cha

(299,269 posts)
16. What does this have to do with the OP
Tue Dec 31, 2019, 03:39 AM
Dec 2019

or George's post?

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StClone

(11,714 posts)
18. Because Bernie's drop may suggest intense competition
Tue Dec 31, 2019, 07:10 PM
Dec 2019

Among great candidates as they jockey for the lead.

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underthematrix

(5,811 posts)
3. It's clickbait. I would ignore it.
Mon Dec 30, 2019, 11:22 PM
Dec 2019
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judeling

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4. The MC early state poll
Mon Dec 30, 2019, 11:22 PM
Dec 2019

is essentially useless.

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mopinko

(70,713 posts)
5. the man just has a shitton of baggage. just like hillary.
Mon Dec 30, 2019, 11:25 PM
Dec 2019

i loved hillary always, but i had grave misgivings of her run because i was very aware of the weight of that baggage. built of lies as it was, it was clearly heavy.
and imho, he has added a steamer trunk labeled 'from russia w love'.
i dont think we should do that again.

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StClone

(11,714 posts)
10. Caveat for Hillary
Tue Dec 31, 2019, 12:01 AM
Dec 2019

How ignorant and Social Media reliant are Americans? It wasn't her fault totally to lose in a fight with The Don's Russians, Comey's clumsily timed investigations and a misinformed populace (and still win the popular vote).

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mopinko

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12. kinda proves my point. the ammunition was racked up, and their trigger fingers itched.
Tue Dec 31, 2019, 12:34 AM
Dec 2019

they didnt have to ramp up for the campaign, they had a spent 40 years building an armory.

and yes, the average american is a blithering idiot.

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StClone

(11,714 posts)
13. No 40 years of Hunting of the Clintons
Tue Dec 31, 2019, 01:09 AM
Dec 2019

Demonizing, lies, swift boating. Limbaugh's freak show talk alone did damage as "Hitlery" was portrayed to the impoverished brains of his typical male, white older listeners and that became the reality. D-bag Trump could shoot someone. While, Hillary was one of the most accomplished, qualified Presidential Candidates ever. But as a women and endlessly attacked by Russians, Comey, billionaire media, it was tough to overcome without some heroics which few could muster.

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mopinko

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14. i'm not disagreeing w you, at.all.
Tue Dec 31, 2019, 01:13 AM
Dec 2019

hillary's baggage was manufactured. imho, bernie wrought his own chains.

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Thekaspervote

(32,947 posts)
8. To me... not surprising...
Mon Dec 30, 2019, 11:58 PM
Dec 2019

Sanders got 40% of Democratic Primary vote in '16, he's running half that this time. Even if he got 100% of Warren's support, he'd still be behind his '16 vote total. Thehill.com

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pnwmom

(109,065 posts)
9. "If Sanders doesn't win early, there is a chance that he doesn't win at all."
Tue Dec 31, 2019, 12:00 AM
Dec 2019

Duh.

Someone paid that writer to come up with that brilliance?

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Gothmog

(147,372 posts)
11. Iowa and New Hampshire are two states where sanders has to do well in
Tue Dec 31, 2019, 12:08 AM
Dec 2019

Both states are 90+ white.. If sanders does not win both states, he is done

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Stand and Fight

(7,480 posts)
15. Thank you. I thought that was a brilliant line.
Tue Dec 31, 2019, 03:32 AM
Dec 2019

It’s well known that Sanders base is white people. Specifically young white liberals. If he loses in these states with loads of them, how can he stay competitive? Contrast that with people like Biden and Warren, and things will be looking bad for Bernard. Not that I’ve a problem with that. I don’t care for people who use our party when convenient to them and trash life long Democrats at every opportunity. Bernard, and that wretched ‘present’ Tulsi Gabbard, don’t deserve the nomination.

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Gothmog

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17. I am looking forward to the South Carolina primary
Tue Dec 31, 2019, 11:22 AM
Dec 2019
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Gothmog

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19. @BernieSanders ⁩ is at 10% with Black voters
Thu Jan 2, 2020, 12:53 AM
Jan 2020
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Tom Rinaldo

(22,924 posts)
21. Which is 5 times more support than Booker has
Thu Jan 2, 2020, 10:21 AM
Jan 2020

Very few people would argue that Booker is unappealing to Black voters. And Harris couldn't even get enough Black support to stay in the race.

The news here remains that Blacks are still solidly behind Biden for now. Sander is in third place among Black voters and in second place among Hispanics. In 2008 Obama was trailing Clinton among Black voters until he beat her in Iowa. Black voters, understandably, want a winner. Right now they are sticking with Biden but that could possibly change

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