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Tue Dec 3, 2019, 01:42 PM

 

Already talk of Harris being a VP pick - I don't think that will happen

Sorry to make another Kamala thread, but I want to hear what people think.

I love Kamala. I gave her money. But, a smart Democratic nominee will not pick her for one reason only.
California gives no electoral college advantage. Unfortunate but true.

In a close election which this looks like it will be, a VP pick has to give an advantage.
A balanced ticket would include someone from a swing state or a purple state.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden

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Reply Already talk of Harris being a VP pick - I don't think that will happen (Original post)
OKNancy Dec 3 OP
handmade34 Dec 3 #1
George II Dec 3 #2
getagrip_already Dec 3 #3
DrToast Dec 3 #7
underpants Dec 3 #28
madaboutharry Dec 3 #4
The Mouth Dec 3 #34
underthematrix Dec 3 #5
USALiberal Dec 3 #10
DrToast Dec 3 #6
OKNancy Dec 3 #11
honest.abe Dec 3 #8
BigmanPigman Dec 3 #22
calguy Dec 3 #9
OKNancy Dec 3 #12
calguy Dec 3 #19
tishaLA Dec 3 #13
Celerity Dec 3 #32
The Valley Below Dec 3 #14
ismnotwasm Dec 3 #15
Kaleva Dec 3 #16
treestar Dec 3 #17
left-of-center2012 Dec 3 #18
beachbumbob Dec 3 #20
madville Dec 3 #21
BannonsLiver Dec 3 #23
pinkstarburst Dec 3 #24
The Valley Below Dec 3 #35
RhodeIslandOne Dec 3 #25
samnsara Dec 3 #26
LakeArenal Dec 3 #29
evertonfc Dec 3 #27
emmaverybo Dec 3 #33
cry baby Dec 3 #30
redstatebluegirl Dec 3 #31

Response to OKNancy (Original post)

Tue Dec 3, 2019, 01:43 PM

1. correct

 

that will not happen
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden

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Response to OKNancy (Original post)

Tue Dec 3, 2019, 01:44 PM

2. I would rather see her as Attorney General or chair of the Senate Judiciary Committee when....

 

....we take control of the Senate.
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided

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Response to OKNancy (Original post)

Tue Dec 3, 2019, 01:48 PM

3. doesn't have to be a swing state - but demographics matter......

 

It's not like she would be an septuagenarian white guy from vermont. She will come with a lot of energy to get out votes accross the country.

She would be an effective foil to pence on multiple levels.

I think she would be a good choice. But that's just imho of course.
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden

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Response to getagrip_already (Reply #3)

Tue Dec 3, 2019, 01:49 PM

7. Exactly.

 

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Amy Klobuchar

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Response to getagrip_already (Reply #3)

Tue Dec 3, 2019, 04:13 PM

28. I agree. She would be a fantastic VP choice

 

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Marianne Williamson

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Response to OKNancy (Original post)

Tue Dec 3, 2019, 01:48 PM

4. I think there are better places for her than VP.

 

I was initially very supportive of her and donated to her campaign. But for a variety of reasons cooled to her. Regardless, I have great respect for her.

I think serving as Attorney General or even taking a leadership role in the Senate would better suit her.
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Pete Buttigieg

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Response to madaboutharry (Reply #4)

Tue Dec 3, 2019, 06:55 PM

34. Senate so she can build her organization

 

It takes decades to put an organization into place that can make a run for president feasible. You need a network that is community deep and nationwide. You need lots and lots of favors to call in. You need lots of people whom you have helped get elected who will pay you back.

Huge gobs of cash help, but Trump carefully built up his 'image' over many years. Between the Apprentice, appearing on Fox "News" and keeping a public profile, he gave himself a huge advantage that he would not have had even if he really *HAD* been the brilliant businessman he claimed to be.

Obama was the exception, but if Senator Harris (or anyone) had his charisma the race would be over already; folks like him, Bill Clinton (or Reagan) who thrive on crowds, love the battle and get energized by campaigning come along once or twice a generation.

Give her 8 years in the Senate, doing what smart candidates would do, making lots of rubber chicken speeches for house candidates and governors- because those are the folks you need in your corner, every bit as much as billionaires.

Rare indeed is the person that can go from first term Senator to President, and Obama and JFK also had time in the house.

Obviously, there's no love for Nixon or Pat Buchanan here, *BUT* the work that they did between 1962 and 1968 was why Nixon won in 68, after losing in disgrace in 62. Hundreds of speeches, many favors done, much funds raised, many names collected; that stuff's boring, but in the end it's more important than race, gender or even money.
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Andrew Yang

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Response to OKNancy (Original post)

Tue Dec 3, 2019, 01:49 PM

5. If Joe Biden is the nominee, i would prefer a Michael Bennet

 

or Steve Bullock or Amy Klobuchar.

But selecting a VP is very very complicated and very personal so I probably shouldn't be putting my two cents in the ring.
If I were to vote in a presidential
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Joe Biden

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Response to underthematrix (Reply #5)

Tue Dec 3, 2019, 01:51 PM

10. I think a woman would be best. Nt

 

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Pete Buttigieg

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Response to OKNancy (Original post)

Tue Dec 3, 2019, 01:49 PM

6. Completely wrong

 

Just because she’s from California, doesn’t mean there’s no advantage to picking her.

According to your logic, Joe Manchin would be a better pick because he’s from WV.
If I were to vote in a presidential
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Amy Klobuchar

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Response to DrToast (Reply #6)

Tue Dec 3, 2019, 01:51 PM

11. No that would suck

 

West Virginia is not a purple or swing state.
Georgia is, Minnesota, Arizona... even Texas.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden

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Response to OKNancy (Original post)

Tue Dec 3, 2019, 01:49 PM

8. It's more than just geography.

 

Harris has charisma and intellect and charm and is tough as nails. She will be Biden's attack dog when they try to go after him with baseless lies and accusations. She also will help with the Latino and AA vote and with women. Biden is already strong in those swing and purple states.. Kamala compliments him perfectly... imo.
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Response to honest.abe (Reply #8)

Tue Dec 3, 2019, 03:30 PM

22. I mentioned a Biden/Harris team

 

a year ago during a family dinner. All 6 of us liked the idea.
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Response to OKNancy (Original post)

Tue Dec 3, 2019, 01:50 PM

9. Amy as VP would give us a boost in Wisconsin, Michigan, and beyond.

 

Plus, she's pretty damn smart.
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Response to calguy (Reply #9)

Tue Dec 3, 2019, 01:53 PM

12. That's my thinking, or Abrams

 

or Wendy Davis from Texas - if it is Joe.
The other front runners would need a different balance
If I were to vote in a presidential
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Joe Biden

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Response to OKNancy (Reply #12)

Tue Dec 3, 2019, 02:10 PM

19. The problem with Abrams or Davis imo.....

 

Neither one of them are qualified to step in the job of the presidency should something happen to the president.
I feel the same way about Mayor Pete. All great people with lots of promise for the future, but at this time the presidency is WAAAAYYYY over their heads. They simply don't have enough experience to lead the country.
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Response to OKNancy (Original post)

Tue Dec 3, 2019, 01:53 PM

13. Stacy Abrams will be high on anyone's list

 

the question is whether she'd accept
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Undecided

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Response to tishaLA (Reply #13)

Tue Dec 3, 2019, 05:30 PM

32. she already said she would accept VP

 

Stacey Abrams says she’d be ‘honored’ to be vice president

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/stacey-abrams-says-shed-be-honored-to-be-vice-president/2019/08/28/4daeb2a4-c9ed-11e9-a4f3-c081a126de70_story.html
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Undecided

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Response to OKNancy (Original post)

Tue Dec 3, 2019, 01:54 PM

14. I'd be shocked if she was the VP pick.

 

Biden needs a pick who will help in swing states, will be able to help move legislation in Congress, and be a loyal partner in the White House.

He will want someone who can be his "Joe Biden."

Looking more and more like Amy Klobachar is the smart pick to me.
If I were to vote in a presidential
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Joe Biden

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Response to OKNancy (Original post)

Tue Dec 3, 2019, 01:56 PM

15. Yeah I don't think that's in the cards.

 

She may have a place in the administration, or not, but I’m not thinking BP
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Response to OKNancy (Original post)

Tue Dec 3, 2019, 01:57 PM

16. I think the days of needing a balanced ticket are long gone.

 

The choice for a running mate doesn't, in the end, help a candidate but can hurt. Think McCain picking Palin. Biden was a safe pick for Obama. I do believe there is evidence that the running mate does little to enhance a candidates chance for winning but can hurt a candidates chance of winning.
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Response to OKNancy (Original post)

Tue Dec 3, 2019, 01:58 PM

17. I don't know that's a thing anymore

 

or Joe would not have been picked. Delaware gives you 3 measly votes and they are going blue anyway. He was picked for his experience. It balanced out the concept that Obama didn't have much.

Joe needs someone young to counter the ageism thing, young but also seems ready to take over. They should stick with Joe the way Joe was always with Obama, for the opposite reason.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided

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Response to OKNancy (Original post)

Tue Dec 3, 2019, 01:59 PM

18. laughable

 

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided

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Response to OKNancy (Original post)

Tue Dec 3, 2019, 02:34 PM

20. We will see as she is a perfect match for Biden, no other

 

current candidate would come close to adding to the ticket. Not Warren, not Sanders and all the others even less
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Response to OKNancy (Original post)

Tue Dec 3, 2019, 02:43 PM

21. Not in a Biden Administration

 

She brings no advantages to the ticket and I wouldn’t trust her after that pathetic debate attack and T-shirt sale snafu.
If I were to vote in a presidential
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Joe Biden

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Response to OKNancy (Original post)

Tue Dec 3, 2019, 03:36 PM

23. The geographic advantage thing is increasingly a dated concept

 

Obama didn't pick Biden to win Delaware and Dump didn't pick Pence to win Indiana. McCain didn't pick Caribou Barbie to win Alaska. Gore didn't pick Joe Lieberman to win Connecticut, or wherever the hell he came from. W didn't pick Cheney to win Wyoming.

Kerry DID pick Edwards in 2004 because he thought he could put NC in play, but obviously it did not in the end. I don't think the geographic advantage is the top metric anymore when picking VP candidates. That doesn't mean Harris is going to be on a potential Biden ticket, it just means where she comes from might not be the deciding factor.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided

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Response to pinkstarburst (Reply #24)

Tue Dec 3, 2019, 07:50 PM

35. Kamala Harris certainly participated in the debates, but they were--in the main--a disaster.

 

From the fiasco of her cheap shot at Biden in one debate to being destroyed in the next one by DU's least favorite Democrat.

Would I pick someone who falsely implied I was a racist? I don't think so.

Not in this lifetime. That was a bridge too far IMO.
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Response to OKNancy (Original post)

Tue Dec 3, 2019, 04:09 PM

25. Meh.

 

I'd rather see her AG. This run shows she doesn't move a needle.

There also seem to be people you'd think she'd draw that don't like her.
If I were to vote in a presidential
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Amy Klobuchar

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Response to OKNancy (Original post)

Tue Dec 3, 2019, 04:10 PM

26. I want her as AG!

 

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden

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Response to samnsara (Reply #26)

Tue Dec 3, 2019, 04:41 PM

29. I don't really want her, but she would be good.

 

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden

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Response to OKNancy (Original post)

Tue Dec 3, 2019, 04:12 PM

27. The VP pick

 

will not come from The debate stage, in my opinion.
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Undecided

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Response to evertonfc (Reply #27)

Tue Dec 3, 2019, 05:34 PM

33. Team of rivals not always a good idea. The main thing is that our nominee be supported

 

strongly by a strong person capable of taking the reins, no matter the nominee’s age, but certainly if one of the septuagenarians gets to the GE, a younger VP pick. If the nominee is not a person of color, the VP should be.
If I were to vote in a presidential
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Response to OKNancy (Original post)

Tue Dec 3, 2019, 04:47 PM

30. You make a good point. I'm sad about that. I think she is awesome! nt

 

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Joe Biden

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Response to OKNancy (Original post)

Tue Dec 3, 2019, 05:06 PM

31. I see her as Attorney General.

 

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden

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