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Bradshaw3

(7,560 posts)
Thu Oct 24, 2019, 03:47 PM Oct 2019

Anita Hill ready to hold Biden accountable

From CNN:
"I'm ready to move on, but I am also ready to hold Joe Biden accountable. Accountability means acknowledging your role in a problem and the harm it's caused. Acknowledging that you have culpability," Hill said.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/10/24/politics/anita-hill-senate-allegations-kavanaugh/index.html


If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
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Anita Hill ready to hold Biden accountable (Original Post) Bradshaw3 Oct 2019 OP
This discussion might get interesting. groundloop Oct 2019 #1
No more so than the 10 million other times it's come up. BannonsLiver Oct 2019 #13
This is not breaking news in any sense. LakeArenal Oct 2019 #18
It wasn't posted in breaking news Bradshaw3 Oct 2019 #34
Not so far it hasn't. But you keep trying. LakeArenal Oct 2019 #37
No question... Anita has every right after what she was put through!! #MeToo InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2019 #50
It's Dr. Hill. OilemFirchen Oct 2019 #66
LOL... no one respects Anita more than me!! InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2019 #67
Post removed Post removed Oct 2019 #68
LMFAO... but but but, it's okay to call Sen./Sec. Clinton "Hillary," VP Biden "Joe?! etc InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2019 #71
SOS Clinton chose that mononym to differentiate herself from her husband. OilemFirchen Oct 2019 #72
Post removed Post removed Oct 2019 #73
What a fantastic attitude! OilemFirchen Oct 2019 #80
I didn't get to see that post above, before you had it removed... but I can tell you InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2019 #85
I had nothing removed. OilemFirchen Oct 2019 #93
Many people with PhDs do not expect to be called Dr redqueen Oct 2019 #117
Ya think?! haha... but thanks for sayin' InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2019 #141
Oh ok fine, but referring to her as Anita is so uncivilized as to lead to electing tRump President?! InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2019 #140
Well good for you!! But why judge others?! Indeed, I absolutely LOVE Anita InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2019 #83
Oh please...I went though way worse than she did...and survived literally was in the Demsrule86 Oct 2019 #91
She was publicly humiliated and abandoned before the entire country... InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2019 #98
She has milked it for years and used it against Democrats only...thus I have no respect for what she Demsrule86 Oct 2019 #115
The point is she DID go after the "right" person, THOMAS... and look how she was treated!! InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2019 #120
it happened forty years ago...a different time. And I would not let something like that define my Demsrule86 Oct 2019 #124
I see your point... I'll leave it at that. InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2019 #126
Fair enough! By the way, I have looked extensively at the polls and believe that Sen. Demsrule86 Oct 2019 #131
Kind of you to say, thanks... all the best!! InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2019 #146
No she wasn't abandoned. George II Oct 2019 #137
She's living on the streets, penniless apparently jberryhill Oct 2019 #143
So NOT funny what happened to Anita. InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2019 #147
It's been great for her career jberryhill Oct 2019 #149
And that has what to do with how badly she was treated redqueen Oct 2019 #155
It has everything to do with going after Biden jberryhill Oct 2019 #161
He could defuse it redqueen Oct 2019 #163
oh, nonsense jberryhill Oct 2019 #164
Biden owes women everywhere an explanation and an apology. redqueen Oct 2019 #170
"an ACTUAL apology, and not the ersatz apologies" jberryhill Oct 2019 #171
I give up. redqueen Oct 2019 #173
Women who go to work for Republicans aren't asking for it kcr Oct 2019 #156
What a ridiculous takeaway jberryhill Oct 2019 #160
Wow. Tipperary Oct 2019 #103
I have seen them...but not at the time...she did some things that made her look bad like offering Demsrule86 Oct 2019 #119
I actually cannot believe I just read this here. Tipperary Oct 2019 #121
In the 1980's it would...if it was so horrible than why put yourself in a position to be alone Demsrule86 Oct 2019 #132
Yeah, and women who get raped better hope they were not Tipperary Oct 2019 #182
Right? Cuthbert Allgood Oct 2019 #172
I almost can't believe some of the stuff I'm reading about this. redqueen Oct 2019 #175
Wow nt redqueen Oct 2019 #118
It was what forty years ago? And never not once has she ever called out a Republican for it...Bush Demsrule86 Oct 2019 #123
It was 1991 ChubbyStar Oct 2019 #145
Ahhh, the early 90s. Cuthbert Allgood Oct 2019 #174
This - DURHAM D Oct 2019 #2
Everytime I have seen him talk about it loyalsister Oct 2019 #82
I love Hill; I admire Hill; I respect Hill; I believed her then and I believe her now but... hlthe2b Oct 2019 #3
You are assuming Biden is the only way to remove rump Bradshaw3 Oct 2019 #15
NO, I am not. I, rather assume the damage to be spread over the entire field by RWers and it will. hlthe2b Oct 2019 #20
That is a deflection Bradshaw3 Oct 2019 #31
No... ... You are wrong. hlthe2b Oct 2019 #33
Hard to argue with that logic Bradshaw3 Oct 2019 #36
Like Warren's Franken Railroad Bagage? LakeArenal Oct 2019 #38
Isn't that bothsiderism? Bradshaw3 Oct 2019 #43
Oh sure. Everyone has baggage LakeArenal Oct 2019 #46
As has been said... everyone has baggage. revmclaren Oct 2019 #70
I get it... it's bad form to hold all candidates to the same standards. LanternWaste Oct 2019 #169
Exactly, Joe's moderate incrementalism is not the only way! Indeed, Bernie has shown us a better way InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2019 #52
Yes, but what baggage do those other candidates carry? TexasTowelie Oct 2019 #56
this post is definitely going to crush Biden EveHammond13 Oct 2019 #78
Not true...they have their own baggage and certain policy ideas from your candidate MFA most Demsrule86 Oct 2019 #95
So what you're saying is you support her until it gets inconvenient for you melman Oct 2019 #29
No.. that is absolute bullshit. MELMAN hlthe2b Oct 2019 #32
SHE'S THE ONE "MOVING ON" LakeArenal Oct 2019 #39
I stand with Anita. Joe should at least properly apologize to her... InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2019 #53
What constitutes a "proper" apology to you? TexasTowelie Oct 2019 #58
Fair enough, but then no one should be calling to silence Anita. InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2019 #62
I've been in the position where I've had to apologize for some of my actions TexasTowelie Oct 2019 #89
Fair point, though, if I recall, Joe's "apology" fell a bit flat. Will have to look at it again. InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2019 #92
Don't bother. TexasTowelie Oct 2019 #96
Ding Ding Ding Ding jberryhill Oct 2019 #165
He did, MORE than once. What are you looking for, specifically? George II Oct 2019 #136
But he has never had this good a shot as a candidate jberryhill Oct 2019 #102
These are the things that help Biden in a major way. TidalWave46 Oct 2019 #4
Is Hill campaigning against Clarence Thomas? crazytown Oct 2019 #5
No, she's more like him than not jberryhill Oct 2019 #106
She was at Oral Roberts for less than 3 years. DURHAM D Oct 2019 #110
Yeah right. Michele Bachmann's alma mater jberryhill Oct 2019 #130
She graduated from Yale law school. DURHAM D Oct 2019 #138
Michelle Bachmann did not graduate from Yale jberryhill Oct 2019 #139
threat? evertonfc Oct 2019 #6
OK. That's fair stopdiggin Oct 2019 #7
No he has not. nt DURHAM D Oct 2019 #9
to your satisfaction (and that's fine) stopdiggin Oct 2019 #11
He obviously hasn't to Anita Hill Bradshaw3 Oct 2019 #17
We know we know. Anita is still pissed LakeArenal Oct 2019 #21
We know Bradshaw3 Oct 2019 #25
You are putting words in people's mouths. LakeArenal Oct 2019 #27
Really? Bradshaw3 Oct 2019 #40
Geez. Moved on. Done with this thread LakeArenal Oct 2019 #44
Thanks for proving my point Bradshaw3 Oct 2019 #45
Haha haha. You have it all in your head. LakeArenal Oct 2019 #48
Hate to butt in here, but he chaired the hearings, did he not? redqueen Oct 2019 #30
Those are not unilateral decisions by Joe. LakeArenal Oct 2019 #35
I haven't seen any claim that someone else made that decision. redqueen Oct 2019 #49
It was absolutely 100% Biden's choice not to call DURHAM D Oct 2019 #111
And it was absolutely 100% Biden's information... jberryhill Oct 2019 #167
Yes, the refusal to allow corroborating witnesses to testify was on Joe. InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2019 #122
Yes, Anita is still pissed... as she has every right to be. #MeToo InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2019 #69
Me too??? Joe Biden did NOT sexually harass Anita Hill, CLARENCE Pathwalker Oct 2019 #151
Not at all... but even Joe admits Anita got a raw deal and was deserving of more support. InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2019 #153
You must not recall that Biden's questions were so bad redqueen Oct 2019 #154
Nope her opinion ain't more important than mine Loki Liesmith Oct 2019 #88
Wow!! Why so harsh?! InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2019 #152
Out of curiosity. What does Anita Hill have to acknowledge? Autumn Oct 2019 #47
"I'm sorry I wasn't able to do more" is not an apology StarfishSaver Oct 2019 #125
That's kinda how I see it. InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2019 #148
The wheels of justice turn slowly. Hassin Bin Sober Oct 2019 #8
He should have apologized right out of the gate. cwydro Oct 2019 #10
Exactly n/t Bradshaw3 Oct 2019 #19
He never does melman Oct 2019 #26
I know, and I hate that because I really like him. cwydro Oct 2019 #84
Don't get why Joe always does that, given the depth of his political experience. InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2019 #150
That was my impression too... I think Joe made a political mistake on that one. InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2019 #99
I still have issues with what he did and didn't do. gibraltar72 Oct 2019 #12
#MeToo InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2019 #54
Booooooring BannonsLiver Oct 2019 #14
I am sooooo over this. Won't work. Skya Rhen Oct 2019 #16
So you are telling her "Get over it" Bradshaw3 Oct 2019 #22
No one is telling her to get over it. LakeArenal Oct 2019 #24
It's "trotted out" for good reasons Bradshaw3 Oct 2019 #41
Or. Could be that Anita is keeping it alive. Again and again. (nt) stopdiggin Oct 2019 #158
Could be she has very good reasons for talking about it Bradshaw3 Oct 2019 #179
All fair points. InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2019 #100
Next we hear the too old carp. LakeArenal Oct 2019 #23
she has been milking it for years. And folks should go back an read some of her testimony...all I Demsrule86 Oct 2019 #94
Yawn Mme. Defarge Oct 2019 #28
Me too -- yawns are contagious! nt BlueMississippi Oct 2019 #42
Is she ready to admit she's a REPUBLICAN yet? Pathwalker Oct 2019 #51
Fucking wow. /nt tonedevil Oct 2019 #57
Let's keep it classy. Skya Rhen Oct 2019 #61
Calling Anita Hill... tonedevil Oct 2019 #63
Unreal... Anita should be praised for her contribution to the Democratic cause. InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2019 #86
Certain individuals appear to be intent on kneecapping our party's nominee... at all costs. NurseJackie Oct 2019 #59
Why now? dewsgirl Oct 2019 #55
What has Ms. Hill been up to all these years? empedocles Oct 2019 #60
She should air any and all remaining grievances now. ecstatic Oct 2019 #64
Anita Hill pamdb Oct 2019 #65
Post removed Post removed Oct 2019 #76
oh please don't. put yourself in her shoes for one second. there are better rebuttals than stfu Kurt V. Oct 2019 #81
Thank you for saying what I wanted to say. nt Quixote1818 Oct 2019 #183
This could be a positive opportunity for Biden. Aaron Pereira Oct 2019 #74
Anita Hill ready to help with trump's re-election calguy Oct 2019 #75
yawn EveHammond13 Oct 2019 #77
these posts have a significant backfire effect EveHammond13 Oct 2019 #79
It makes them look desperate beating this dead horse again and again...a big who cares. Demsrule86 Oct 2019 #97
Yet she seems unwilling to hold Clarence Thomas accountable. Pathwalker Oct 2019 #87
Is she still trying this shit...funny she never mentions the Republicans...who nominated Demsrule86 Oct 2019 #90
Oral Roberts University faculty jberryhill Oct 2019 #108
That makes me sick. You can't be a Christian and support Trump or even Republicans...everything they Demsrule86 Oct 2019 #114
I was unaware she taught there...now your post makes sense...wow. Now I really don't Demsrule86 Oct 2019 #134
She left private practice to work in the Bush administration jberryhill Oct 2019 #142
Another $50 for Joe Dream Girl Oct 2019 #101
+1 EveHammond13 Oct 2019 #104
Me too. Demsrule86 Oct 2019 #135
The Anita Hill situation happened in 1991. IluvPitties Oct 2019 #105
This message was self-deleted by its author CountAllVotes Oct 2019 #113
Who cares? Doodley Oct 2019 #107
Like clockwork. Biden has some good polls, let's revisit this still_one Oct 2019 #109
Bring it on Anita Hill CountAllVotes Oct 2019 #112
This again? "I'm ready to move on, but....." George II Oct 2019 #116
This is BS Dem4Life1102 Oct 2019 #127
you seem very concerned ! stonecutter357 Oct 2019 #128
Anita Hill already said she will vote for Biden, so this topic is settled. gulliver Oct 2019 #129
Your OTT posts really aren't helping Senator Warren emulatorloo Oct 2019 #133
Like all the gross posts smearing Anita Hill by some Biden supporters kcr Oct 2019 #157
Some people suck. herding cats Oct 2019 #159
This message was self-deleted by its author Bradshaw3 Oct 2019 #181
You're charming. herding cats Oct 2019 #184
I went back and re-read it and apologize Bradshaw3 Oct 2019 #185
It's all good. herding cats Oct 2019 #186
Agreed on attacks on Hill. This thread is flame-bait. emulatorloo Oct 2019 #166
Wrong on several points Bradshaw3 Oct 2019 #180
who? n/t PhoenixDem Oct 2019 #144
Bit late in the game for that, isn't it?? Blue_Tires Oct 2019 #162
Well must be getting shallow, as we're now simply rebooting that which has been examined LanternWaste Oct 2019 #168
I sincerely don't get why some are getting so emotional about this. redqueen Oct 2019 #176
Fanboyism coupled with fear. Act_of_Reparation Oct 2019 #177
Biden has been around for a while and isn't perfect, but who is? Joe941 Oct 2019 #178
 

groundloop

(11,546 posts)
1. This discussion might get interesting.
Thu Oct 24, 2019, 03:49 PM
Oct 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

BannonsLiver

(16,556 posts)
13. No more so than the 10 million other times it's come up.
Thu Oct 24, 2019, 04:46 PM
Oct 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

LakeArenal

(28,909 posts)
18. This is not breaking news in any sense.
Thu Oct 24, 2019, 04:57 PM
Oct 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Bradshaw3

(7,560 posts)
34. It wasn't posted in breaking news
Thu Oct 24, 2019, 05:11 PM
Oct 2019

And it is a story from CNN today. Your "we've all heard this before" take may play well among those who share your views but it could very well be a different story among voters.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

LakeArenal

(28,909 posts)
37. Not so far it hasn't. But you keep trying.
Thu Oct 24, 2019, 05:13 PM
Oct 2019

You just like to argue with folks.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,131 posts)
50. No question... Anita has every right after what she was put through!! #MeToo
Thu Oct 24, 2019, 05:32 PM
Oct 2019

Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

OilemFirchen

(7,143 posts)
66. It's Dr. Hill.
Thu Oct 24, 2019, 06:48 PM
Oct 2019

Show some fucking respect.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,131 posts)
67. LOL... no one respects Anita more than me!!
Thu Oct 24, 2019, 06:53 PM
Oct 2019

Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided

Response to InAbLuEsTaTe (Reply #67)

 

InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,131 posts)
71. LMFAO... but but but, it's okay to call Sen./Sec. Clinton "Hillary," VP Biden "Joe?! etc
Thu Oct 24, 2019, 07:07 PM
Oct 2019

You're too funny... #IStandWithAnita!!!! Guess you don't respect the hashtag!!

Thanks for the laugh though!!!!


Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

OilemFirchen

(7,143 posts)
72. SOS Clinton chose that mononym to differentiate herself from her husband.
Thu Oct 24, 2019, 07:16 PM
Oct 2019

It was her choice.

Nonetheless, you'll never find me using anything other than a person's proper title, unless it's necessary for shorthand. Never their first name alone, unless that's their preference, or to be derisive.

Go to it. Search my posts.

You have no respect for Dr. Hill, and have proven so repeatedly throughout this thread.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden

Response to OilemFirchen (Reply #72)

 

OilemFirchen

(7,143 posts)
80. What a fantastic attitude!
Thu Oct 24, 2019, 07:28 PM
Oct 2019

Including that you speak for everyone.

How precious!

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,131 posts)
85. I didn't get to see that post above, before you had it removed... but I can tell you
Thu Oct 24, 2019, 07:45 PM
Oct 2019

I myself don't pretend to speak for anyone, or dictate what is respectful or not as you have done. Like I said, you want to refer to Anita as Dr. Hill, good for you... your entitled to show what you consider respect, but why push your standards on everyone else?! I respect the HELL out of Anita... regardless of your opinion.


Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

OilemFirchen

(7,143 posts)
93. I had nothing removed.
Thu Oct 24, 2019, 08:19 PM
Oct 2019

Those aren't my standards, they're part of our civilized society.

Without them, you end up with Donald Trump as President.



If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

redqueen

(115,112 posts)
117. Many people with PhDs do not expect to be called Dr
Thu Oct 24, 2019, 09:50 PM
Oct 2019

especially by strangers informal settings.

Not assuming it's their preference does not result in having a president Trump.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,131 posts)
141. Ya think?! haha... but thanks for sayin'
Thu Oct 24, 2019, 11:04 PM
Oct 2019

Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,131 posts)
140. Oh ok fine, but referring to her as Anita is so uncivilized as to lead to electing tRump President?!
Thu Oct 24, 2019, 11:02 PM
Oct 2019

Wow... hyperbole much?!


Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,131 posts)
83. Well good for you!! But why judge others?! Indeed, I absolutely LOVE Anita
Thu Oct 24, 2019, 07:38 PM
Oct 2019

as demonstrated throughout this thread, and in every thread I've be ever posted about her. Anita's freakin' AWESOME!... I have HUGE respect for her and what she did to rid us of that sexist, perv Thomas.

So you've condemned every poster who's used the #IStandWithAnita hashtag? Or, did Anita object to that? Please do tell!

You've condemned every poster - and yourself? - referring to VP Biden as Joe? Link please.

Why would you make negative assumptions about one of Anita's BIGGEST supporters?!


Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Demsrule86

(68,935 posts)
91. Oh please...I went though way worse than she did...and survived literally was in the
Thu Oct 24, 2019, 08:15 PM
Oct 2019

hospital for several weeks. She has milked this for years.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,131 posts)
98. She was publicly humiliated and abandoned before the entire country...
Thu Oct 24, 2019, 08:33 PM
Oct 2019

I'm sorry to hear about your awful experience, but how does that justify belittling her's?!


Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Demsrule86

(68,935 posts)
115. She has milked it for years and used it against Democrats only...thus I have no respect for what she
Thu Oct 24, 2019, 09:48 PM
Oct 2019

does. Just once it would be nice if she went after the right people...GOP types.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,131 posts)
120. The point is she DID go after the "right" person, THOMAS... and look how she was treated!!
Thu Oct 24, 2019, 09:55 PM
Oct 2019

Expecting an acknowledgement of that and a proper apology is not "milking it" in my view.


Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Demsrule86

(68,935 posts)
124. it happened forty years ago...a different time. And I would not let something like that define my
Thu Oct 24, 2019, 10:05 PM
Oct 2019

life. And Biden did not do it Clarence Thomas did. Any woman coming forward at that time was going to be treated as guilty until proven innocent. There would have been no hearing without Biden.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,131 posts)
126. I see your point... I'll leave it at that.
Thu Oct 24, 2019, 10:13 PM
Oct 2019

Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Demsrule86

(68,935 posts)
131. Fair enough! By the way, I have looked extensively at the polls and believe that Sen.
Thu Oct 24, 2019, 10:32 PM
Oct 2019

Sanders numbers do not reflect his true position in this primary...he is doing better than what the polls suggest.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,131 posts)
146. Kind of you to say, thanks... all the best!!
Thu Oct 24, 2019, 11:32 PM
Oct 2019

Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

George II

(67,782 posts)
137. No she wasn't abandoned.
Thu Oct 24, 2019, 10:47 PM
Oct 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
143. She's living on the streets, penniless apparently
Thu Oct 24, 2019, 11:15 PM
Oct 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,131 posts)
147. So NOT funny what happened to Anita.
Thu Oct 24, 2019, 11:33 PM
Oct 2019

Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
149. It's been great for her career
Thu Oct 24, 2019, 11:39 PM
Oct 2019

Can I ask you something?

Would you think that leaving a well paid position to go work in a Republican administration is something you’d jump at the chance to do?

Do you think someone with the political and judicial views of Clarence Thomas just screams, “Yeah, I want to work for that guy!”?

Would you take an oath to Oral Roberts University?

If you answered “no”’ to any of those questions, then congratulations! You are not Anita Hill.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

redqueen

(115,112 posts)
155. And that has what to do with how badly she was treated
Fri Oct 25, 2019, 12:30 AM
Oct 2019

during those hearings?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
161. It has everything to do with going after Biden
Fri Oct 25, 2019, 06:20 AM
Oct 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

redqueen

(115,112 posts)
163. He could defuse it
Fri Oct 25, 2019, 09:15 AM
Oct 2019

not sure why he has chosen not to do so.

Seems like a bad call.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
164. oh, nonsense
Fri Oct 25, 2019, 10:55 AM
Oct 2019

There is nothing he could or would say to address this individual's problem without it being analyzed to death and some fault found with it.

The entire political "public apology" ritual is a crock of shit. Every time. I do not recall a single apology ever issued by any politician in response to demands that was deemed sufficient to defuse a damned thing. It only serves to keep the controversy going.

Every. Single. Time.

And it doesn't matter who is outraged over what and demanding the apology. It is a certainty there is nothing that will be sufficient.

The fact of the matter is that the vote on Clarence Thomas - again, the Talibornagain with whom she had no political or philosophical quarrel in the first place - would not have swung one way or the other on the basis of additional witnesses. It was not a matter of the majority of the Senate not believing Hill. It was a matter of them frankly not giving a shit about it. Most of the senators who voted to confirm Thomas probably believed Hill was telling the truth.

How about this - if you are unhappy with it, then don't vote for Biden. If you aren't, then go ahead and vote for him. But Biden doesn't owe me, you, or anyone on this forum jack shit in relation to Anita Hill's resentment.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

redqueen

(115,112 posts)
170. Biden owes women everywhere an explanation and an apology.
Fri Oct 25, 2019, 11:19 AM
Oct 2019

It wasn't you sitting up on the stand being cross examined by someone whom you might have expected to handle the situation fairly - so I see no reason why you should be so emotional.

The fact is, whether or not you, I, Biden, or anyone else thinks that having expert witnesses on the stand would have helped - witnesses who were ready and willing to testify - it would have been the smart thing to do. Based on pure politics. He didn't.

Why Biden decided not to do it, and why he went further than that and joined in with the republicans in grilling her, I'll never know.

What I do know is that unless he stops saying things like 'i wish I could have done more', this issue will definitely not go away. If he owns up to what he did, it would be enough for most. It wouldn't be enough for everyone, because some people are like that, but it would be finally accepted as an ACTUAL apology, and not the ersatz apologies he's offered up to now.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
171. "an ACTUAL apology, and not the ersatz apologies"
Fri Oct 25, 2019, 11:24 AM
Oct 2019

Lol, yep.

Like the other demanded apologies from politicians which are deemed "actual" instead of "ersatz" all of the time.

It won't accomplish jack, just as the now "expert" instead of "corroborating" witnesses that were suggested at the time. You can make up your mind on your own what type of witnesses were supposed to change the minds of the senators who TOLD Biden that it wasn't going to change their vote one way or the other.
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

redqueen

(115,112 posts)
173. I give up.
Fri Oct 25, 2019, 11:27 AM
Oct 2019

Good luck. I expect you'll be getting very upset about this issue for a good while.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

kcr

(15,333 posts)
156. Women who go to work for Republicans aren't asking for it
Fri Oct 25, 2019, 01:05 AM
Oct 2019

No one here should need to be told that.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
160. What a ridiculous takeaway
Fri Oct 25, 2019, 06:19 AM
Oct 2019

They do, however, go after Democrats.

She has more to say about Joe Biden than Clarence Thomas.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Tipperary

(6,930 posts)
103. Wow.
Thu Oct 24, 2019, 08:45 PM
Oct 2019

Did you watch those hearings? I did. I remember them well.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Demsrule86

(68,935 posts)
119. I have seen them...but not at the time...she did some things that made her look bad like offering
Thu Oct 24, 2019, 09:52 PM
Oct 2019

to drive him alone to the airport...it has been my opinion for years that she played along a bit in order to save her job or to get ahead...lots of women did back in the day. I don't blame her. I had a broker put his hands down my pants on an elevator....what a jerk. And could do nothing as i needed my job to put food on the table. Had I complained later, it would have hurt me...And the same thing hurt her in the hearings IMHO. Different times. I do believe it is better today. What happened to her is not Biden's fault but Clarence Thomas's fault.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Tipperary

(6,930 posts)
121. I actually cannot believe I just read this here.
Thu Oct 24, 2019, 09:56 PM
Oct 2019

It makes her look bad to offer to drive him to the airport alone?

What? Do you think women need chaperones? Hmm, who does this remind me of???

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Demsrule86

(68,935 posts)
132. In the 1980's it would...if it was so horrible than why put yourself in a position to be alone
Thu Oct 24, 2019, 10:38 PM
Oct 2019

with him...would be the question... I don't doubt it was made to look worse than it was...but you had to be perfect to win those early sexual harassment battles. And what about Arlen Specter who behaved horribly? You are judging this hearing by 21st century standards. There was little that you could do if you were in her position. I commend her for coming forward, I wouldn't do it myself. However it was not Biden's fault. It was Thomas's fault and this is political nonsense. She backs a different candidate...and I find her using this distasteful.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Tipperary

(6,930 posts)
182. Yeah, and women who get raped better hope they were not
Fri Oct 25, 2019, 10:11 PM
Oct 2019

wearing “provocative” clothing either, right?

I was a professional working woman in the 80s. With all due respect, your comment is nonsense. My father was driven to the airport by his secretary in the 60s! Omg, the horror!

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Cuthbert Allgood

(5,016 posts)
172. Right?
Fri Oct 25, 2019, 11:26 AM
Oct 2019

Apparently a woman driving a man ALONE to an airport means that she wants to have sex with that guy and if she doesn't, then she deserves what she gets. Hussy. The gaul of driving a man to the airport. IN THE 1980s!

Sometimes people are just gross.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

redqueen

(115,112 posts)
175. I almost can't believe some of the stuff I'm reading about this.
Fri Oct 25, 2019, 11:29 AM
Oct 2019

Almost.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Demsrule86

(68,935 posts)
123. It was what forty years ago? And never not once has she ever called out a Republican for it...Bush
Thu Oct 24, 2019, 10:02 PM
Oct 2019

nominated Thomas. Sorry, this is just more shit that in the end will not hurt Biden.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

ChubbyStar

(3,191 posts)
145. It was 1991
Thu Oct 24, 2019, 11:26 PM
Oct 2019

You need to work on your math skills.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Cuthbert Allgood

(5,016 posts)
174. Ahhh, the early 90s.
Fri Oct 25, 2019, 11:27 AM
Oct 2019

A time when women couldn't drive a man to the airport alone and not expect to be sexually harassed by that man. Simpler times. Simpler times.

Some people need to just stop typing about Anita Hill, I think.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

DURHAM D

(32,620 posts)
2. This -
Thu Oct 24, 2019, 03:52 PM
Oct 2019

"she thinks Biden fails to grasp the damage he did to her and other victims of sexual harassment"

As best I can tell he still doesn't get it.

That does not mean he can not think about it, speak to it, and to her in the near future.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

loyalsister

(13,390 posts)
82. Everytime I have seen him talk about it
Thu Oct 24, 2019, 07:37 PM
Oct 2019

his defensiveness seems to get in the way of trying to see it from her perspective. He has a way of taking things that are not about him personally.
Kamala Harris shared her experience to make a point about what she saw as a flawed approach to dealing with partisanship and it became all about Joe Biden. He could easily have taken a beat and made the case that from his end, he was in a tough spot doing the best he could in that political environment, while acknowledging that from the perspective of a person affected by the policy the view might be different from what he hoped or intended.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

hlthe2b

(102,641 posts)
3. I love Hill; I admire Hill; I respect Hill; I believed her then and I believe her now but...
Thu Oct 24, 2019, 03:56 PM
Oct 2019

No. I hated how he conducted that committee and that hearing. It sucked. He was wrong. But it was Thomas and Spector and Simpson and their ilk who were the true villains.

What is the goal here? Whether or not Biden is or should be the nominee, how does going after him once again help anything except quite possibly assure Donald J. (grab her by the P...ssy) Trump more likely to win a second term?

Dr. Hill. I have been with you for decades, but now? NO. Nothing is more important than removing Trump and ensuring no other R takes office. Nothing. Nothing. There is such a thing as consideration for the greater good and never are we likely to experience such a time more acutely.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Bradshaw3

(7,560 posts)
15. You are assuming Biden is the only way to remove rump
Thu Oct 24, 2019, 04:55 PM
Oct 2019

Clearly there are other candidates who are quite capable of doing that who don't carry the baggage that Biden does.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

hlthe2b

(102,641 posts)
20. NO, I am not. I, rather assume the damage to be spread over the entire field by RWers and it will.
Thu Oct 24, 2019, 04:59 PM
Oct 2019

They've already been attempting to do this with Ukraine--backfiring yes, but it has allowed some independents to assume the "bothsiderism" bullshit, just as this issue will allow Trump once again to deflect.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Bradshaw3

(7,560 posts)
31. That is a deflection
Thu Oct 24, 2019, 05:08 PM
Oct 2019

Again, your post assumes that anything that doesn't show Biden in a good light means rump will be re-elected. How about we choose a candidate who doesn't have this baggage?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

hlthe2b

(102,641 posts)
33. No... ... You are wrong.
Thu Oct 24, 2019, 05:10 PM
Oct 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Bradshaw3

(7,560 posts)
36. Hard to argue with that logic
Thu Oct 24, 2019, 05:12 PM
Oct 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

LakeArenal

(28,909 posts)
38. Like Warren's Franken Railroad Bagage?
Thu Oct 24, 2019, 05:14 PM
Oct 2019

They all have baggage.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Bradshaw3

(7,560 posts)
43. Isn't that bothsiderism?
Thu Oct 24, 2019, 05:19 PM
Oct 2019

Please don't start that because Biden will lose on that front every time.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

LakeArenal

(28,909 posts)
46. Oh sure. Everyone has baggage
Thu Oct 24, 2019, 05:23 PM
Oct 2019

YOU want to keep this argument going.

Everyone has baggage. If YOU choose to call it whatever, don’t expect anyone but you to sign on.

And your bomb of Joe loses every time.

Bs bs bs.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

revmclaren

(2,587 posts)
70. As has been said... everyone has baggage.
Thu Oct 24, 2019, 07:07 PM
Oct 2019

If many DUers had to follow their own purity tests that they demand from our candidates and Democratic leaders, they would fail miserably (DUers who supported Russian hacking, who claimed the DNC rigs elections, who ran off to JPR to avoid voting for Clinton during the general election, etc).

You do agree, don't you Bradshaw3 ?



ONLY!!! 2019 and beyond.





If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
169. I get it... it's bad form to hold all candidates to the same standards.
Fri Oct 25, 2019, 11:18 AM
Oct 2019

I s'pose the wisdom-fits-on-a-t--shirt crowd would need to infer that as bothsiderism to support it as such.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,131 posts)
52. Exactly, Joe's moderate incrementalism is not the only way! Indeed, Bernie has shown us a better way
Thu Oct 24, 2019, 05:41 PM
Oct 2019

namely bold progressivism!! Slowly, but surely, the polls are bearing this out.


Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

TexasTowelie

(112,901 posts)
56. Yes, but what baggage do those other candidates carry?
Thu Oct 24, 2019, 05:55 PM
Oct 2019

Rehashing something that occurred decades earlier serves no purpose. Anita Hill has been on other broadcasts earlier this year and had the opportunity to provide her point of view. It had no effect on the race and I doubt that anyone will be persuaded to change their votes because she decided to speak out again. To state it concisely, Anita Hill is yesterday's news.

I also don't see some of the candidates as capable of defeating Trump since they are polling within the margin of error in key battleground states.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

EveHammond13

(2,855 posts)
78. this post is definitely going to crush Biden
Thu Oct 24, 2019, 07:25 PM
Oct 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Demsrule86

(68,935 posts)
95. Not true...they have their own baggage and certain policy ideas from your candidate MFA most
Thu Oct 24, 2019, 08:25 PM
Oct 2019

notably will doom her in the general. But Biden is the only one who will win the states we need...particularly Wisconsin.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

melman

(7,681 posts)
29. So what you're saying is you support her until it gets inconvenient for you
Thu Oct 24, 2019, 05:08 PM
Oct 2019

And then you don't. If you're only 'with' her on your terms you're not really with her at all.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

hlthe2b

(102,641 posts)
32. No.. that is absolute bullshit. MELMAN
Thu Oct 24, 2019, 05:09 PM
Oct 2019

You don't know what the hell you are talking about.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

LakeArenal

(28,909 posts)
39. SHE'S THE ONE "MOVING ON"
Thu Oct 24, 2019, 05:16 PM
Oct 2019

Don’t hate just because others are too.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,131 posts)
53. I stand with Anita. Joe should at least properly apologize to her...
Thu Oct 24, 2019, 05:44 PM
Oct 2019

THEN we can talk about moving on. That would be a smart political move on Joe's part.


Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

TexasTowelie

(112,901 posts)
58. What constitutes a "proper" apology to you?
Thu Oct 24, 2019, 06:09 PM
Oct 2019

An apology is between two people. Anita Hill was not satisfied with Joe's apology earlier this year so I don't see where Biden should grovel to Anita Hill if she is going to be dissatisfied anyway. If anything, it makes Biden appear weak by doing so.

Unfortunately, in life I've found that some people are perpetually offended regardless as to whether a transgression was committed or the efforts of the person who allegedly made the offenses to empathize or correct the situation. Anita Hill has the right to harbor her grudges against Biden, but she shouldn't expect everyone else to be unforgiving about something that happened nearly three decades ago.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,131 posts)
62. Fair enough, but then no one should be calling to silence Anita.
Thu Oct 24, 2019, 06:37 PM
Oct 2019

I'm saying Joe's giving Anita a proper apology is the best way for Joe to get this behind him.


Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

TexasTowelie

(112,901 posts)
89. I've been in the position where I've had to apologize for some of my actions
Thu Oct 24, 2019, 08:12 PM
Oct 2019

that I made decades ago. No matter how much I've shown my remorse or the number of times that I apologized, that person will continue to bring up those actions against me when we have disagreements. There comes a point that I had to accept that nothing I had to say would alleviate the situation. Finally, I remembered this prayer so that I didn't have to feel the burden of guilt:

God, grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change,
Courage to change the things I can,
And wisdom to know the difference.

I believe that Biden has shown his remorse to Anita Hill, but he also knows that there isn't anything he can do that will change the situation or make Anita Hill feel better. There is where the last line of that prayer is relevant for Biden. I think that the rest of us should take some guidance from the last line since none of the posts in this thread are going to change anything.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,131 posts)
92. Fair point, though, if I recall, Joe's "apology" fell a bit flat. Will have to look at it again.
Thu Oct 24, 2019, 08:18 PM
Oct 2019

Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

TexasTowelie

(112,901 posts)
96. Don't bother.
Thu Oct 24, 2019, 08:25 PM
Oct 2019

Joe apologized, Anita didn't accept it. What the rest of us think doesn't matter. It's time to move on instead of harboring grudges for decades.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
165. Ding Ding Ding Ding
Fri Oct 25, 2019, 10:57 AM
Oct 2019

The game of "let's demand an apology and then attack the apology" is one of the more tedious bits of American political voodoo.

Don't like Joe? Don't vote for him. Period.

I'm not voting for Biden should there be other preferable candidates in the field when it comes to my state. Warren is my preferred candidate. But this "Biden needs to apologize to Anita Hill" thing - and it has come and gone before - is horseshit.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

George II

(67,782 posts)
136. He did, MORE than once. What are you looking for, specifically?
Thu Oct 24, 2019, 10:46 PM
Oct 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
102. But he has never had this good a shot as a candidate
Thu Oct 24, 2019, 08:42 PM
Oct 2019

So of course now it is important for Anita Hill to get revenge.
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

TidalWave46

(2,061 posts)
4. These are the things that help Biden in a major way.
Thu Oct 24, 2019, 03:57 PM
Oct 2019

I wonder if Hill is communicating directly with his camp. Maybe Flores will will make another showing for Biden.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

crazytown

(7,277 posts)
5. Is Hill campaigning against Clarence Thomas?
Thu Oct 24, 2019, 04:00 PM
Oct 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
106. No, she's more like him than not
Thu Oct 24, 2019, 08:48 PM
Oct 2019

You have to remember that she’s a former faculty member at Oral Roberts University.

She helped prepare a generation of lawyers who fight against equal rights and choice every damned day.

And she wants an apology from Biden. Lol.
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

DURHAM D

(32,620 posts)
110. She was at Oral Roberts for less than 3 years.
Thu Oct 24, 2019, 09:28 PM
Oct 2019

She took the job to be near her family. Then she taught law at OU for a few years but spent the bulk of her career at Brandeis in NY.

One of the reasons she left Oklahoma was because after her testimony regarding Thomas the first order of business every year for the state legislature was to introduce a resolution demanding that OU fire her from the law faculty.

She left Oklahoma and her family to get away from the hate. I see it still follows her and your statement about a "generation of lawyers who fight against equal rights and choice" could not be more incorrect.



If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
130. Yeah right. Michele Bachmann's alma mater
Thu Oct 24, 2019, 10:30 PM
Oct 2019

Education at Oral Roberts is subordinate to a particular worldview and mission to implement that worldview.

One has choices in life.
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

DURHAM D

(32,620 posts)
138. She graduated from Yale law school.
Thu Oct 24, 2019, 10:50 PM
Oct 2019

Again, at that point in her lie she wanted to be near her family.

I know her personally and you obviously don't.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
139. Michelle Bachmann did not graduate from Yale
Thu Oct 24, 2019, 10:54 PM
Oct 2019

Last edited Thu Oct 24, 2019, 11:33 PM - Edit history (1)

I’m sorry, but I do not need to know Anita Hill to be well acquainted with the mission and purpose of Oral Roberts University.

These places like Oral Roberts, Liberty, or Pat Robertson’s outfit have a definite agenda which they serve as institutions to advance.

I don’t give a shit what Hill’s personal views may be, because they are obviously not exclusive of serving to advance the cause of Oral Roberts U. They require an oath from their faculty. Do you know what it says? If not, I’d suggest you ask her.

She has helped spawn legions more Clarence Thomases.

And it hardly needs explanation that she had no issue with Clarence Thomas’ political views or judicial philosophy (such as it is). He has been a Christofascist from the get-go, and it is THAT Clarence Thomas for whom she left lucrative private practice to work - because she thought that highly of him and his addled mind.

Her issue was with his behavior, not his bizarre RW Christofascist ideology which is likewise consistent with Oral Roberts.

You can say “it was three years” all you like, but it is three years more than Joe Biden ever spent advancing that agenda.

Her only public service was to eagerly serve as that nutjob’s assistant in a Republican administration.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

evertonfc

(1,713 posts)
6. threat?
Thu Oct 24, 2019, 04:01 PM
Oct 2019

I think the Hill problem is long built into Joe's support. If these individuals want to rehash decades old events, those of us who admire and respect Joe Biden will be ready to defend his character. Wanna tear our party apart already?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

stopdiggin

(11,451 posts)
7. OK. That's fair
Thu Oct 24, 2019, 04:01 PM
Oct 2019

(and I think Biden has already done just that)
How about you, Anita? Still planning on being a keynote for "Most Powerful Women?" Just asking if you're going to "acknowledge your role .."?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

stopdiggin

(11,451 posts)
11. to your satisfaction (and that's fine)
Thu Oct 24, 2019, 04:20 PM
Oct 2019

To many .. he has. And continues to acknowledge "mistakes" in the past .. growth and understanding gained over the years .. just as Hillary did. But .. "not good enough" for some people. And with tragic results.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Bradshaw3

(7,560 posts)
17. He obviously hasn't to Anita Hill
Thu Oct 24, 2019, 04:57 PM
Oct 2019

Isn't her opinion more important than yours, or others?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

LakeArenal

(28,909 posts)
21. We know we know. Anita is still pissed
Thu Oct 24, 2019, 05:00 PM
Oct 2019

It’s her prerogative.

Mine is, Joe isn’t to blame for what happened. Thomas is.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Bradshaw3

(7,560 posts)
25. We know
Thu Oct 24, 2019, 05:05 PM
Oct 2019

Joe isn't to blame for his past conduct, statements, or even his recent statements, etc.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

LakeArenal

(28,909 posts)
27. You are putting words in people's mouths.
Thu Oct 24, 2019, 05:07 PM
Oct 2019

That is not what anyone is saying at all.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Bradshaw3

(7,560 posts)
40. Really?
Thu Oct 24, 2019, 05:16 PM
Oct 2019

Look at some of the replies on here or any thread that dares to question Biden's past statements on any number of topics. Very, very few say anything like "maybe he should have responded in a different way" or "I hope he has learned from his past actions." Most are of the "boring" "meh" "I'm going to donate again" variety. Very little actual discussion of the substance of the criticisms.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

LakeArenal

(28,909 posts)
44. Geez. Moved on. Done with this thread
Thu Oct 24, 2019, 05:19 PM
Oct 2019

You insist on arguing a point with folks who disagree. Fine but I’m done. See you on the next Biden carp thread.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Bradshaw3

(7,560 posts)
45. Thanks for proving my point
Thu Oct 24, 2019, 05:20 PM
Oct 2019

No words added on my part. You did it for me.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

LakeArenal

(28,909 posts)
48. Haha haha. You have it all in your head.
Thu Oct 24, 2019, 05:24 PM
Oct 2019

Bye.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

redqueen

(115,112 posts)
30. Hate to butt in here, but he chaired the hearings, did he not?
Thu Oct 24, 2019, 05:08 PM
Oct 2019

He made the call not to allow other witnesses who would have bolstered Anita's case?

There may have been other issues as well...

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

LakeArenal

(28,909 posts)
35. Those are not unilateral decisions by Joe.
Thu Oct 24, 2019, 05:11 PM
Oct 2019

As stated, he was chairman of a committee. To which he has already made statements regarding it. You just don’t accept that statement. Fine.

As it is fine for Anita.

She says she is moving on with reservations.

Fine some of us are moving on without reservation.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

redqueen

(115,112 posts)
49. I haven't seen any claim that someone else made that decision.
Thu Oct 24, 2019, 05:28 PM
Oct 2019

Most since then have put the blame for that decision squarely on Biden. He decided what questions to ask her, at least. So there is that.

But as you said - as far as he and some others are concerned, he has apologized. Apparently, according to Anita, he has not.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

DURHAM D

(32,620 posts)
111. It was absolutely 100% Biden's choice not to call
Thu Oct 24, 2019, 09:30 PM
Oct 2019

the other witnesses.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
167. And it was absolutely 100% Biden's information...
Fri Oct 25, 2019, 11:10 AM
Oct 2019

...that the majority of senators wouldn't change their vote on Thomas no matter what those witnesses had to say.

The issue with Hill was not a failure to persuade anyone she was being truthful. The issue was a failure of 2/3 of senators at the time to give a shit.

And corroborating witnesses wouldn't change that.

As a lawyer, and one who has been a very successful and prodigious accumulator of wealth and prestige in that profession, Hill is perfectly aware that sometimes you don't get what you want, even if you are right. It happens.

But there is utterly nothing that Joe Biden is going to say or could say which is going to change the facts or the history. If it is a disqualifier for you, then golly gosh don't vote for Biden. I'm not voting for him and I know him much better than most here at DU, having spent considerable time with him in a small group setting (which, yes, included several hours of discourse on supreme court nominations) and through a family history of various political activities in Delaware.

He's addressed this before. It was deemed insufficient, as the "politically demanded apology" always is deemed insufficient. I believe it would be stupid for Biden to do it again.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,131 posts)
122. Yes, the refusal to allow corroborating witnesses to testify was on Joe.
Thu Oct 24, 2019, 09:58 PM
Oct 2019

Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,131 posts)
69. Yes, Anita is still pissed... as she has every right to be. #MeToo
Thu Oct 24, 2019, 06:59 PM
Oct 2019

Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Pathwalker

(6,600 posts)
151. Me too??? Joe Biden did NOT sexually harass Anita Hill, CLARENCE
Thu Oct 24, 2019, 11:40 PM
Oct 2019

THOMAS did. You're acting like it was Joe who did it, and IMO this does Me Too a terrible disservice!

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,131 posts)
153. Not at all... but even Joe admits Anita got a raw deal and was deserving of more support.
Thu Oct 24, 2019, 11:43 PM
Oct 2019

So #MeToo #IStandWithAnita

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

redqueen

(115,112 posts)
154. You must not recall that Biden's questions were so bad
Fri Oct 25, 2019, 12:26 AM
Oct 2019

that it seemed like he was on Thomas's side

Yes, #MeToo is relevant here.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Loki Liesmith

(4,602 posts)
88. Nope her opinion ain't more important than mine
Thu Oct 24, 2019, 08:10 PM
Oct 2019

She really means less than nothing to me.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,131 posts)
152. Wow!! Why so harsh?!
Thu Oct 24, 2019, 11:40 PM
Oct 2019

Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Autumn

(45,120 posts)
47. Out of curiosity. What does Anita Hill have to acknowledge?
Thu Oct 24, 2019, 05:23 PM
Oct 2019


stopdiggin

7. OK. That's fair

(and I think Biden has already done just that)
How about you, Anita? Still planning on being a keynote for "Most Powerful Women?" Just asking if you're going to "acknowledge your role .."?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

StarfishSaver

(18,486 posts)
125. "I'm sorry I wasn't able to do more" is not an apology
Thu Oct 24, 2019, 10:07 PM
Oct 2019

He should say something along the lines of "I could have done more to help you but didn't and for that, I'm sorry" or "I'm sorry I didn't do everything I could have done at the time."

But claiming he was powerless to protect her and be feels bad about that falls far short of being an apology.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,131 posts)
148. That's kinda how I see it.
Thu Oct 24, 2019, 11:35 PM
Oct 2019

Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Hassin Bin Sober

(26,382 posts)
8. The wheels of justice turn slowly.
Thu Oct 24, 2019, 04:06 PM
Oct 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

cwydro

(51,308 posts)
10. He should have apologized right out of the gate.
Thu Oct 24, 2019, 04:09 PM
Oct 2019

This is going to hang around because he didn’t, and hasn’t.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

melman

(7,681 posts)
26. He never does
Thu Oct 24, 2019, 05:07 PM
Oct 2019

Just yesterday with the lynching thing it was ''I shouldn't have said that but..."

When you add a but it's not really an apology. And he always does that.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

cwydro

(51,308 posts)
84. I know, and I hate that because I really like him.
Thu Oct 24, 2019, 07:44 PM
Oct 2019

He was my preference when he declared, but too many things are adding up for me to continue to support him.

This Anita Hill thing is not going to go away until he addresses it. I mean, damn, if he did that months ago - boom - it’d be history by now.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,131 posts)
150. Don't get why Joe always does that, given the depth of his political experience.
Thu Oct 24, 2019, 11:39 PM
Oct 2019

He should know better and just sincerely apologize to get this behind him


Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,131 posts)
99. That was my impression too... I think Joe made a political mistake on that one.
Thu Oct 24, 2019, 08:36 PM
Oct 2019

Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

gibraltar72

(7,522 posts)
12. I still have issues with what he did and didn't do.
Thu Oct 24, 2019, 04:26 PM
Oct 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,131 posts)
54. #MeToo
Thu Oct 24, 2019, 05:45 PM
Oct 2019

Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Skya Rhen

(2,701 posts)
16. I am sooooo over this. Won't work.
Thu Oct 24, 2019, 04:56 PM
Oct 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Bradshaw3

(7,560 posts)
22. So you are telling her "Get over it"
Thu Oct 24, 2019, 05:03 PM
Oct 2019

Isn't that what the repugs have been telling accusers of Kavanaugh, rump, etc.?

Here is what she said on that topic: "I'm ready to move on, but I am also ready to hold Joe Biden accountable. Accountability means acknowledging your role in a problem and the harm it's caused. Acknowledging that you have culpability," Hill said.

Who cares if you are over it. She obviously feels his apology was of the non-apology variety, i.e. sorry if you were offended. It's up to him to make it right. What we have is another example of Joe just not getting it.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

LakeArenal

(28,909 posts)
24. No one is telling her to get over it.
Thu Oct 24, 2019, 05:04 PM
Oct 2019

She’s moving on.

So are we.

Edit to add: This is not another example of Joe not getting it. It’s a year or old more
carp that is trotted out. Again.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Bradshaw3

(7,560 posts)
41. It's "trotted out" for good reasons
Thu Oct 24, 2019, 05:18 PM
Oct 2019

He is the one keeping it alive. By not getting it. Again and again.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

stopdiggin

(11,451 posts)
158. Or. Could be that Anita is keeping it alive. Again and again. (nt)
Fri Oct 25, 2019, 01:26 AM
Oct 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Bradshaw3

(7,560 posts)
179. Could be she has very good reasons for talking about it
Fri Oct 25, 2019, 03:49 PM
Oct 2019

One is she knows more about what really happened and two is she's asked about it and gives her opinion, whether you like it or not.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,131 posts)
100. All fair points.
Thu Oct 24, 2019, 08:36 PM
Oct 2019

Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

LakeArenal

(28,909 posts)
23. Next we hear the too old carp.
Thu Oct 24, 2019, 05:03 PM
Oct 2019

Then we’ll find someone offended again by a hug.

Then we’ll find some other decades old statement to parse every word to death.

It’s the same characters every time posting the same old canards.

And yet, Joe consistently leading.

Because he’s the most qualified candidate both nationally and globally.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Demsrule86

(68,935 posts)
94. she has been milking it for years. And folks should go back an read some of her testimony...all I
Thu Oct 24, 2019, 08:23 PM
Oct 2019

will say.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

BlueMississippi

(776 posts)
42. Me too -- yawns are contagious! nt
Thu Oct 24, 2019, 05:18 PM
Oct 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Pathwalker

(6,600 posts)
51. Is she ready to admit she's a REPUBLICAN yet?
Thu Oct 24, 2019, 05:35 PM
Oct 2019

n/t

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Skya Rhen

(2,701 posts)
61. Let's keep it classy.
Thu Oct 24, 2019, 06:37 PM
Oct 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

tonedevil

(3,022 posts)
63. Calling Anita Hill...
Thu Oct 24, 2019, 06:43 PM
Oct 2019

a Republican is the exact opposite of classy, but you do you.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,131 posts)
86. Unreal... Anita should be praised for her contribution to the Democratic cause.
Thu Oct 24, 2019, 08:06 PM
Oct 2019

Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
59. Certain individuals appear to be intent on kneecapping our party's nominee... at all costs.
Thu Oct 24, 2019, 06:17 PM
Oct 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

empedocles

(15,751 posts)
60. What has Ms. Hill been up to all these years?
Thu Oct 24, 2019, 06:32 PM
Oct 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

ecstatic

(32,834 posts)
64. She should air any and all remaining grievances now.
Thu Oct 24, 2019, 06:44 PM
Oct 2019

I thought she had made peace with the situation earlier this year, but if not, by all means continue.

But if Biden becomes the nominee, I hope she is not going to allow herself to be used by the rightwing to sabotage our chances next fall. My empathy only goes so far.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

pamdb

(1,335 posts)
65. Anita Hill
Thu Oct 24, 2019, 06:46 PM
Oct 2019


You now Anita, you got a raw deal, no doubt, and we ended up with that stupid Clarence Thomas as
a result. But now, just the fuck up and don't keep bringing this up. It's pathetic.
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden

Response to pamdb (Reply #65)

 

Kurt V.

(5,624 posts)
81. oh please don't. put yourself in her shoes for one second. there are better rebuttals than stfu
Thu Oct 24, 2019, 07:31 PM
Oct 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Quixote1818

(29,071 posts)
183. Thank you for saying what I wanted to say. nt
Fri Oct 25, 2019, 10:44 PM
Oct 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Aaron Pereira

(383 posts)
74. This could be a positive opportunity for Biden.
Thu Oct 24, 2019, 07:22 PM
Oct 2019

The Anita Hill issue isn't going to go away on it's own even though most people including myself think he's changed. Biden could make a public appearance with her and publicly apologize with Hill standing on stage with him. He has the ability to take action and put any remaining doubts to rest.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

calguy

(5,358 posts)
75. Anita Hill ready to help with trump's re-election
Thu Oct 24, 2019, 07:23 PM
Oct 2019

That's what she'd be doing by attacking Biden. Give me a break already. Why do we keep giving republicans ammunition to use against us? She doesn't sound ready to move on to me.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

EveHammond13

(2,855 posts)
79. these posts have a significant backfire effect
Thu Oct 24, 2019, 07:25 PM
Oct 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Demsrule86

(68,935 posts)
97. It makes them look desperate beating this dead horse again and again...a big who cares.
Thu Oct 24, 2019, 08:26 PM
Oct 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Pathwalker

(6,600 posts)
87. Yet she seems unwilling to hold Clarence Thomas accountable.
Thu Oct 24, 2019, 08:09 PM
Oct 2019

To my knowledge, she has NEVER asked him to apologize, and HE was the one who sexually harassed her, NOT Joe Biden. Yet, she seems to try and make him the villain!!! Hmmm, how convenient....

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Demsrule86

(68,935 posts)
90. Is she still trying this shit...funny she never mentions the Republicans...who nominated
Thu Oct 24, 2019, 08:14 PM
Oct 2019

Thomas...she has been using this to get ahead for years....tried it once, but when desperate people flail around I guess.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
108. Oral Roberts University faculty
Thu Oct 24, 2019, 08:56 PM
Oct 2019

99% of evangelical Christians support Trump. What do you expect?
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Demsrule86

(68,935 posts)
114. That makes me sick. You can't be a Christian and support Trump or even Republicans...everything they
Thu Oct 24, 2019, 09:46 PM
Oct 2019

stand for goes against the teachings of Christ.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Demsrule86

(68,935 posts)
134. I was unaware she taught there...now your post makes sense...wow. Now I really don't
Thu Oct 24, 2019, 10:42 PM
Oct 2019

care what she thinks. She is not a Democrat I take it.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
142. She left private practice to work in the Bush administration
Thu Oct 24, 2019, 11:05 PM
Oct 2019

You know, she specifically decided to work with Clarence Thomas.

Her issue with him was his behavior, not his political, religious or judicial views.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Dream Girl

(5,111 posts)
101. Another $50 for Joe
Thu Oct 24, 2019, 08:39 PM
Oct 2019

Going to donate right now...

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

IluvPitties

(3,181 posts)
105. The Anita Hill situation happened in 1991.
Thu Oct 24, 2019, 08:47 PM
Oct 2019

28 years ago. Voters 40 and under were either too little to care (me) or not even close to being born. Apart from that, I don't remember Ms. Hill making a lot of noise during Biden's VP years.

I wonder why.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden

Response to IluvPitties (Reply #105)

 

still_one

(92,599 posts)
109. Like clockwork. Biden has some good polls, let's revisit this
Thu Oct 24, 2019, 09:11 PM
Oct 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

CountAllVotes

(20,890 posts)
112. Bring it on Anita Hill
Thu Oct 24, 2019, 09:31 PM
Oct 2019

I've been waiting on you and yeah, its about time!



If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

George II

(67,782 posts)
116. This again? "I'm ready to move on, but....."
Thu Oct 24, 2019, 09:50 PM
Oct 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Dem4Life1102

(3,974 posts)
127. This is BS
Thu Oct 24, 2019, 10:13 PM
Oct 2019

I watched those hearings in 91. Biden did nothing wrong and treated Hill with respect. This is a hit job pure and simple.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

stonecutter357

(12,699 posts)
128. you seem very concerned !
Thu Oct 24, 2019, 10:14 PM
Oct 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

gulliver

(13,211 posts)
129. Anita Hill already said she will vote for Biden, so this topic is settled.
Thu Oct 24, 2019, 10:17 PM
Oct 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

emulatorloo

(44,289 posts)
133. Your OTT posts really aren't helping Senator Warren
Thu Oct 24, 2019, 10:38 PM
Oct 2019

I saw the hearings live and Joe Biden is def not the reason Thomas is on the Supreme Court.

I do respect and admire Anita Hill. Biden did apologize but she decided not to accept it. That is her prerogative. But I am not sure anything Biden will do will get her to accept his apology.

I am undecided. My top three are a Warren, Biden, and Mayor Pete.

I understand Warren had a bad night at the last debate. It is what it is and she will do better the next time.

But OTT hyperbolic attacks on her rivals aren’t warranted. She’s a tough candidate and this stuff is not helping her.

Have a nice night.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

kcr

(15,333 posts)
157. Like all the gross posts smearing Anita Hill by some Biden supporters
Fri Oct 25, 2019, 01:15 AM
Oct 2019

in this thread will be great for Biden

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

herding cats

(19,569 posts)
159. Some people suck.
Fri Oct 25, 2019, 02:00 AM
Oct 2019

It's a simple fact, some people are just jerks who think of their candidate in a weird sports fan type fashion. I see it all over the internet but rarely run into it in person. Face to face amongst other Dems we're usually polite at meetups. No matter the fact we currently support various candidates.

I, personally, hate the way internet warriors rile people up for their own vengeance. It's says much about them and who they are at their core. It also can end up destroying their potential candidates chances. I never condone such actions. Some people are shallow and associate followers with the politician, which is silly. Yet, it happens.

Politics are not sports. In the end we're all more alike here than we are different and I despise people going tribal within the party. That's a recipe for defeat, no matter who does it or who they support (read: GE 2016) We can disagree like adults without carrying water for the Republicans.

Edit to add. I'm a Biden supporter empathizing with a Warren supporter. We're more alike than we are different.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden

Response to herding cats (Reply #159)

 

herding cats

(19,569 posts)
184. You're charming.
Fri Oct 25, 2019, 11:04 PM
Oct 2019

That's what you got from my words? I was speaking about the unwarranted anger running about the internet and trying to express empathy to the poster while stating it's an issue mostly among anonymous posters but not as much in reality on the streets. I guess that nuance was missed.

Peace to you.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Bradshaw3

(7,560 posts)
185. I went back and re-read it and apologize
Fri Oct 25, 2019, 11:10 PM
Oct 2019

I orginally thought you were replying to two posts above. I read the post you did reply to and see what it is you were saying. Sorry for misunderstanding and my reply.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

herding cats

(19,569 posts)
186. It's all good.
Fri Oct 25, 2019, 11:12 PM
Oct 2019

We're fine! I edited to clarify my comments JIK I wasn't clear, too. The internet is fierce when it comes to context at times.

Again, peace to you.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

emulatorloo

(44,289 posts)
166. Agreed on attacks on Hill. This thread is flame-bait.
Fri Oct 25, 2019, 10:58 AM
Oct 2019

Warren, Biden, and Buttigieg are on my shortlist.

I’m sure you remember threads here from two or three volatile Warren supporters that insinuating Biden is a serial molester, a pedophile, a racist, brain damaged, etc. IMHO they are detracting from Warren rather than supporting her in her run

Maybe I have missed the Buttigieg and Biden supporters personally attacking Warren’s character and going scorched earth in that way.

At any rate I would like all of us to treat the candidates w respect. Less flame-bait, more discussion. I expect you and I agree on that



If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Bradshaw3

(7,560 posts)
180. Wrong on several points
Fri Oct 25, 2019, 04:11 PM
Oct 2019

First my post was not to help Warren but for people to think about voting for someone based on their record. Vetting candidates is something done on here and Warren has been the subject of daily attacks on this forum, including from some of those positing here that this topic doesn't matter.

Secondly, Biden DID NOT apologize. Hill says he didn't and I take her word. You would too if she was talking about a repub.

Third and this is the most ridiculous charge you make, is this post had NOTHING to to diwht Warren's debate performance (which some pundits rated highly) so that s just a lame attempt on your part to question my motives. There is nothing hyperbolic abut this post, it is just her explaining qhwn asked how she feels about it. She certainly knows more about the situation than you do.

Try and practice what you preach.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
162. Bit late in the game for that, isn't it??
Fri Oct 25, 2019, 08:57 AM
Oct 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
168. Well must be getting shallow, as we're now simply rebooting that which has been examined
Fri Oct 25, 2019, 11:16 AM
Oct 2019

the well must be getting shallow, as we're now simply rebooting that which has been examined on DU both in-depth and consistently.

But I get it... sometimes we have to pull whatever chum from the bucket is left, throw it at the wall in hope it sticks, and inform anyone pointing this out how dismissive must be of Ms. Hill.

Again.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

redqueen

(115,112 posts)
176. I sincerely don't get why some are getting so emotional about this.
Fri Oct 25, 2019, 11:37 AM
Oct 2019

It isn't going to persuade anyone here to vote for or against Joe in the primaries, is it?

The only reason to discuss it here is because it WILL be raised as an issue in the GE if he's our nominee. And yes, if so he'll likely be running against mr 'grab em by the pussy' so it SHOULDN'T even matter. That said, most of us are not new to this game and we know how this works. Especially with the media the way it is.

For me this is an academic discussion. I have my opinion, others have theirs. But there is absolutely no need for some of the nasty stuff going on.

No matter what Anita's politics are, or what personal decisions she's made, none of that makes what happened to her any less wrong. And none of it justified the actions taken by Biden. Dragging her through the mud in the context of this discussion is vile and inexcusable, full stop.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Act_of_Reparation

(9,116 posts)
177. Fanboyism coupled with fear.
Fri Oct 25, 2019, 12:14 PM
Oct 2019

It's bad enough we treat public servants like rock stars and pro-athletes. The fact that this election is something of an existential crisis gives stakes to what I would otherwise dismiss as irritating behavior.

People think if Candidate X doesn't win the primary, Trump will win. People think any criticism of Candidate X will result in their loss. It's as unfair as it is ridiculous, as simply supporting Candidate X in the general is not a sufficient display of loyalty. One must also appear to be enthusiastic about Candidate X. If Candidate X loses in the general, for whatever reason, everyone who supported Candidates Y and Z will be at fault because they criticized Candidate X in the primary.

I mean, if this the way we're going to do things, why have a primary at all?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Joe941

(2,848 posts)
178. Biden has been around for a while and isn't perfect, but who is?
Fri Oct 25, 2019, 02:49 PM
Oct 2019

Just another hit piece on Biden.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided

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