Democratic Primaries
Related: About this forumBiden Smacks Down Bernie Sanders For Lecturing Him On Cancer Coverage
Link to tweet
Not only did Biden tell Sanders that nobody under his plan would ever go bankrupt if they were diagnosed with cancer, but the former VP reminded the Vermont senator that Medicare for All would take years to implement, while the Biden health care plan would kick in immediately at a lower cost.
Every single person who is diagnosed with cancer or any other disease can automatically become part of this plan, Biden said. And were talking 4, 6, 8, 10 years before we go Medicare for All. Come on!
https://www.politicususa.com/2019/09/12/biden-bernie-coverage-cancer-health-care.html
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
BlueMississippi
(776 posts)like naming post offices.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(298,139 posts)Guess it's too late in the night to discuss this.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Thekaspervote
(32,825 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
snowybirdie
(5,254 posts)that very little is being written about Bernie today. He came off as a cranky old man who didn't belong there. Waving his arms, pointing at everyone and yelling loudly is getting old. I especially noticed his eyes would bulge out and face got very red. I feared for his health. No one seems to want to address this.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(298,139 posts)appreciate comments from those who did..
Thank you, snowbirdie
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
crazytown
(7,277 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Cha
(298,139 posts)telling it like it is to BS.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
crazytown
(7,277 posts)It's a clever strategy in the Primaries - insulating herself from attacks from the left, while leaving it to BS to defend M4A. The GE will be another story.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
comradebillyboy
(10,193 posts)Warren will have to defend MFA if she's the nominee however. I think her embrace of MFA will hurt her.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
crazytown
(7,277 posts)There are a lot of Warren supporters who feel the same way. Including me.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
blm
(113,142 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
blm
(113,142 posts)We will see.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(298,139 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(298,139 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Thekaspervote
(32,825 posts)And right now, m4a is a grand idea without a whole lot else. I agree we need some form of public option but to throw everything out and start over makes no sense
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(298,139 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(298,139 posts)would have her own plan instead of BS'.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
CatMor
(6,212 posts)the cost of cancer treatment is astronomical. My son has cancer and with the emotional burden taking it's toll the financial burden bankrupting families should not be added to that.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
emmaverybo
(8,144 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
CatMor
(6,212 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Thekaspervote
(32,825 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
CatMor
(6,212 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
peggysue2
(10,854 posts)No one should be left carrying the financial burden of bankruptcy because of illness.
Good luck to you and your son. My family has been there, too.
Btw, I agree that Biden's plan is the best direction, particularly for people who need treatment now, in the moment. In the meantime, we can work on getting a handle on costs associated with healthcare services and pharmaceuticals, costs which need to be reduced to make Medicare 4 All or any other universal plan viable. The greatest good for the greatest number is where we start while moving to the ultimate goal that all our candidates now share: healthcare for every American, womb to tomb. We'll get there but it won't be easy or quick.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
CatMor
(6,212 posts)You are so right about getting the costs for health care and pharmaceuticals down. Every American deserves health care. I can't imagine someone going through cancer with no insurance. The surgery, endless tests and doctor and hospital visits is never ending with something like cancer. One thing everyone should be able to have is a colonoscopy. I can't stress the importance of that enough.
I wish research could come up with a simple test for that.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(298,139 posts)your son, CatMor
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
CatMor
(6,212 posts)Last edited Fri Sep 13, 2019, 11:08 PM - Edit history (1)
we have hope.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(298,139 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
emmaverybo
(8,144 posts)for getting every one covered.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
crazytown
(7,277 posts)M4A would replace Medicare for seniors with something new, something risky?
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
emmaverybo
(8,144 posts)untested program. Many seniors have retirement benefits packages. Their retirement benefits act like employers who continue to either offer affordable premiums insurance or to pay the premiums.
Those benefits are carried over from employment. With Medicare, they give 100 percent coverage, no deductible, low drug costs.
My mom had Kaiser at 260 per month, everything covered and group drug rates. I have benefits that pay my Medicare fee and the premium for a PPO insurance in addition, in full.
If Sanders and Warren are to make a good case, they need to see why some like their plans, not just their doctors.
PS. Neither mom nor I had high paying jobs. Instead, we had good benefits. Fairly, I will pay more
taxes to see others covered. But heck no, I dont want to give up my plan. It even provides for out of country emergency and urgent care.
The only other large scale fed healthcare program I know of as tested is the V.A. Great sometimes for some, terrible sometimes for others.
And Bernie, NHS is not a good sales model for comparison.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
crazytown
(7,277 posts)they are going to take away your Medicare and replace it with something untested?
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
emmaverybo
(8,144 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
wellst0nev0ter
(7,509 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
emmaverybo
(8,144 posts)be a better comparison.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
wellst0nev0ter
(7,509 posts)and it's not true that M4A is "untested" just look at every sane country with universal health coverage.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Cha
(298,139 posts)The majority like Biden's plan and I can see why.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
oasis
(49,500 posts)Last edited Tue Sep 17, 2019, 08:48 PM - Edit history (1)
not risk losing the General Election with a candidate unconditionally wed to M4A.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(298,139 posts)a lot of people who don't want to lose their private insurance.. Those are facts not "scare tactics".
Thank you!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(298,139 posts)Mahalo, Kahuna!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
oasis
(49,500 posts)Thanks for the video Cha.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(298,139 posts)Mahalo to you!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(298,139 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
NYMinute
(3,256 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(298,139 posts)that report!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
bloom
(11,635 posts)At least that is how it sounded to me.
And no - that would not work because why would anyone bother with paying for insurance if they could get catastrophic coverage for free whenver they needed it.
That is why it makes sense for the money that people are paying NOW into insurance go into a M4All fund.
The other thing that MFAll does is that it relieves doctors from having to deal with insurance - which is costly.
There are possible problems with M4All - esp. in this country if we get people in charge who want to shortchange the coverage / medical care that people get. But that is not the argument that people who are against it make.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Cha
(298,139 posts)I don't want mfa.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
betsuni
(25,845 posts)A single payer system was attempted in Vermont and only lasted a few years before being abandoned. And I believe single payer health care couldn't get enough votes in California.
It's clear to me what's the best way. Add a public option, make Medicare available at age 55, add other things to the ACA. Who cares about slogans.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(298,139 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden