Democratic Primaries
Related: About this forumSorry, not Biden. Too late.
I'm a bit less than a year older than Joe.
Maybe his gaffes seem a bit endearing (to some), but I guarantee it will get worse.
My short term memory sux. I mean seriously.
I won't take up space here to give you examples, but it happens from one minute to the next.
Really.
I don't get lost, so I can still drive (in the local area) and my reflexes are still pretty good.
Hey, I flew real big airplanes for about 30 years so you might say my reflexes were better than average to begin with.
But I'm 78 years old and I feel every bit of that.
Don't give me the "you're only as old as you feel" crap.
Yeah, I know there are folks running marathons in their 90s.
Believe me, they are the very small exceptions, BY A LONG SHOT.
Joe Biden has been in elected office for over 40 years.
Folks, that's a career. That's plenty. That's enough.
Joe? Go enjoy your grandkids.
It's time for the youngers to come in.
OK, I got my Nomex undies on, so flame away.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(298,017 posts)has one.
But, more people's opinions, who have him in the lead, are what are important in this election
You should know everyone is different.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Biden running with a strong, progressive, Dem woman would be a formidable ticket. He will be on the job with an experienced staff immediately. It will take time to undue all the damage from trump.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
olegramps
(8,200 posts)Short term memory has nothing to do with judgement and assessment of a situation. I am in my 80's and yes I do have some short term memory loss, but I still am providing consultation for my former company. So far I haven't bankrupt them. Trump in his prime was a financial disaster and only survived because he has absolutely no principles. He was able to run his game for a while until his lies caught up with him and no responsible creditor would finance him. The only way, just a his son admitted, was they became dependent on Russian oligarchs who stole millions for the Russian people to cosign his notes. And guess what? We are paying the price for his selling his soul to our arch enemy. He is an amoral person in the same category as Hitler and Stalin. A man without a conscience who thinks it is bilking people is a virtue.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Peacetrain
(22,881 posts)for having the audacity to get older... just saying...
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
hlthe2b
(102,509 posts)Age is a number. It isn't a "diagnosis".
It is, however, an indication of experience for those who have worked in areas that confer it. That's beyond reassuring to me.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Biden isn't one of those many people tho. He couldn't remember President Obama's name today...
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Cha
(298,017 posts)moments like that.
Joe Biden took questions from black reporters for 90 minutes. He did not disappoint.
https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287256796
The majority want Biden now.. and of course those with other candidates don't.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
bluewater
(5,376 posts)Perhaps you mean a plurality, at the moment, wants Biden?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
zentrum
(9,866 posts)...do you have the link for the Obama name forget?
He makes way too many gaffes. What if he does it on the debate stage with Rump?
Rump is given a pass on this stuff, but the Democrats won't be.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
BeyondGeography
(39,393 posts)He was referencing the spat with Putin and the Crimea and called Obama President...My Boss. Theres a clip but its a RW source.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
FloridaBlues
(4,013 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
FreeState
(10,588 posts) Hes saying that it was President my boss it was his fault. is a direct quote from the video.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
treestar
(82,383 posts)he might have decided mid-sentence to change the reference.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Mr.Bill
(24,365 posts)that Michelle Obama is a trans gender who was born a man. Guess what, I don't believe that either.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Tipperary
(6,930 posts)He really seems to have forgotten Obamas name.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
renate
(13,776 posts)I see you're a Biden supporter (I love him too!), but you aren't sugar-coating the fact that he may actually have forgotten Obama's name. I haven't seen the video yet so I have no opinion on the matter, but I think it's critical that we acknowledge any weakness in our favorite candidates, because goodness knows Trump will.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
emulatorloo
(44,268 posts)Not sure why you are gleefully bringing the lies of wingnutville to DU.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
BeyondGeography
(39,393 posts)Last edited Thu Aug 29, 2019, 05:42 AM - Edit history (2)
You could see for yourself, as several others in this thread apparently have, or you could just go CT with it.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
emulatorloo
(44,268 posts)Dont try to turn it back on me by insinuating I am a conspiracy theorist. You are the one decided to promote Rightwing bullshit. Thats on you.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
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emulatorloo
(44,268 posts)talking points arent working. We saw what you did, and it is totally on you.
Citing wingnutville to destroy a Democrat you dont like isnt fine, no matter how much you try to deflect from what you did by attacking other posters.
Delete your post.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
True Blue American
(17,995 posts)I thought it was against the rules.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
marieo1
(1,402 posts)My guess is he is a troll and doesn't belong on DU!!!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Hekate
(91,003 posts)...some of which people reference in this subthread. They are not worth quoting.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
hlthe2b
(102,509 posts)schedules. Hell, I did that when I was stressed after major tragedy in my family and I was only in my 20s. I had friends who were probably afraid I'd get on the wrong plane or park my car and never remember where.
'Sick of the damned ageism but of course that is always the conclusion ageist people come to for any malapropism, gaffe, or a momentary lapse of attention. You may feel superior in doing so, but your time for others to judge you harshly (and likely unfairly) for similar reasons is coming.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Jake Stern
(3,145 posts)Just the other day it took me the better part of 20 minutes to find my keys that I had just placed on the table.
My mind was in another place - my son was sick and crying, I was trying to get ready for work at half past the ass crack of dawn and a pretty big bill was due so I was fretting that.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
LakeArenal
(28,867 posts)When filling out our hotel parking permit.
Let alone our plate number.
It happens. My mother used to call everyone what his name.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
True Blue American
(17,995 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
treestar
(82,383 posts)Life today involves many teeny details - I know the feeling, thinking how in the heck can I not remember that? of a word for something. Our brains are overloaded with details.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
True Blue American
(17,995 posts)To remember names and there is nothing wrong with my memory.
Have discussed this with many highly educated people who have the same problem. They can remember the most complicated problems, but not names.
Biden talked with black reporters for 90 minutes. Could answer every question.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
True Blue American
(17,995 posts)We have seen what lack of experience and down right stupidity can do.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
samnsara
(17,658 posts)..calculate dosages...wake up from a deep sleep to do (lifesaving) math. You try it...at any age!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
DIVINEprividence
(443 posts)The primary is a progressive alternative reality. Warren and Sanders and the rest need to demonstrate how they are going to win in swing states. In the midterms the centrist candidates fared much better than the more progressive candidates who got all the crowds and hype. I like Biden because he was 100% correct on the TTP. We would have avoided this ridiculous trade war, enhanced the U.S. economy and isolated China. The fact that Sanders and Warren demagogued this sensible policy demonstrates their cluelessness on a central economic issue. If they could be so spectacularly wrong on this, what else are they spectacularly wrong about
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
NYMinute
(3,256 posts)Let the voters decide. I respect that you won't be voting for Biden. However, Biden is the most likely nominee because (likely) only he can defeat Trump.
The 40 year career comes with a LOT of experience -- don't forget that. No one else can match that.
Also, having Obama's VP defeat the visceral Obama hater would be sweet poetic justice.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Maggiemayhem
(811 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
NYMinute
(3,256 posts)Only Biden beats Trump beyond the MOE
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
trof
(54,256 posts)I get to decide for me.
You may disagree if you wish.
Also...please read my OP very carefully and point out the place where I said I wouldn't vote for him.
If he is the Democratic nominee I sure as hell will vote for him.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)Nomex® is a registered trademark of DuPont, and should not be used without the ® symbol. The Nomex® mark should never be used to indicate inferior flame resistant fabrics.
If your underwear is not genuine Nomex®, then you should not refer to it that way.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
sprinkleeninow
(20,268 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
proActivist
(75 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Hassin Bin Sober
(26,356 posts)A construction forum I belong to received a letter from romex regarding using their name without the r thingy.
How do you make that r thingy anyway?
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
trof
(54,256 posts)Bring it.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Vinca
(50,326 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Demsrule86
(68,788 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
question everything
(47,580 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
tonedevil
(3,022 posts)I can get you a toe, believe me. There are ways, Dude. You don't wanna know about it, believe me.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
lunasun
(21,646 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
tonedevil
(3,022 posts)and not mention the most famous one.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Newest Reality
(12,712 posts)about Biden, you make a point there that concerns me. Consider it an aside.
Here, we find another negative effect of Trump's impact. I am sorry if I am being a bit idealistic, (maybe unrealistic) here, but it seems that we are being forced to gravitate more towards the person who can beat him than being focused primarily on issues, policies and other factors and criteria about who can do the best JOB during a term in office and can present the best plans to deal with current and impending issues of import. I know that those factors play into it, but I am just noting an observation of a tendency.
While I share that view that anyone that can beat General Skidmark in 2020 is of most vital importance, it is just disappointing to have that take precedence when so much is at stake in so many ways. What I mean is that the table now tilts more towards personality and popularity, likability, etc., in a very general way. Of course, many people might vote by those standards anyway, but it is kind of like a lowest common denominator effect. I would like our party to move away from the problem of low-information voting over time by inspiring a move towards it, which only helps distinguish us from the other side. Again, idealistic.
That does then feel like a compromise, but then, I am aware that I am being too idealistic and things have changed a lot.
Now back to our regularly scheduled programming
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Hekate
(91,003 posts)...to fulfill every plank in the Democratic platform. Some of them have different emphases to be sure, to distinguish themselves from the pack -- but every one of them is pro-environment, pro-healthcare, pro-choice, and in favor of peaceful international alliances. I guarantee it.
In context of this thread I wll keep my feelings about the few exceptions to myself. Two are not going to make it much further anyway.
We have a great group. When it comes to the General Election, there will be no nose-holding by me.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Vinca
(50,326 posts)the only issue. Any of our candidates would be light years better than what we've got now. I joke about Biden, but I've decided he's right on healthcare. I want Medicare For All, but I think gradually getting there via Obamacare and a public option is the way to do it. In the 2018 elections we learned Obamacare is really, really popular and we should build on that sentiment by adding a public option. That said, you notice I'm not endorsing anyone yet. If I had to vote in the NH primary today, I'm not sure who I would mark the box for. For me, any of our candidates - even Williamson - have their good qualities. I might vote in the Republican primary instead (we can do that) and cast a vote for Weld. I'd love to see Trump lose a state primary.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
TryLogic
(1,723 posts)a well functioning democracy requires an informed, thinking citizenry -- who vote! Too many who vote for the person with the best early poll numbers are voting scared, thinking only about poll numbers. That's how John Kerry got the nomination, in my opinion. People thought it extremely important to beat Bush/Cheney. They watched poll numbers and followed the crowd. But Kerry lost.
The country is one-third independent. Independents intend to vote for the best candidate. We must ensure that we have a great candidate. The good news is that this year we have a bunch of excellent candidates running.
People on this forum will vote for the Dem at the rate of about 99.9%, I am sure. Who will the independents vote for? The good news again is that independents will have a difficult time voting for Trump.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
samnsara
(17,658 posts)..and that should be on a bumper sticker!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Demsrule86
(68,788 posts)'youngers' could beat Trump. I really don't understand why you would even post this...
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
cwydro
(51,308 posts)What is it lately with people telling others what to post or not?
Looks like Biden will be the nominee. Seriously? At this early stage?
Time will tell.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
secondwind
(16,903 posts)because I dared to ask an honest question about Biden, because he seemed off to me that day.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
cwydro
(51,308 posts)Therere always a few who like to tell others what to do and how to think.
Some will even send you personal messages to instruct you how they think you should post.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
The behavior you describe has been going on for several weeks as well as the presumptions. Far too many variables -- especially a lot of time -- for anyone to call this race over.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
trof
(54,256 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
pangaia
(24,324 posts)Maybe that is his/her opinion...
could be..
very possible...
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
ChubbyStar
(3,191 posts)That post is beyond the beyond......
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Demsrule86
(68,788 posts)our side helping them...I suppose I have a right to an opinon as well.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ChubbyStar
(3,191 posts)Let others have theirs. It is that simple.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Demsrule86
(68,788 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ChubbyStar
(3,191 posts)"It is not your decison to make" and you spelled decision incorrectly BTW.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Demsrule86
(68,788 posts)Last night, as I drove to pick up hubs around 11:00 PM ...I was looking for something to listen to on the radio-heard this more than once on different Right wing show as I scanned the channels...RW talking points should not be on this site IMHO...are we going to support our candidates or nominees ...or not. This 'opinion' is shared by Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, and many other right wing types... the OP is not in good company.
I doubt this can be used by the right to hurt Biden because we have a president who thinks we had airports in the 1700's, but the Democrats engaging in this sort of rhetoric can cause damage. We don't need that. Some 'opinions' should not be posted if we want to win in 2020. Let's not shatch defeat from the jaws of victory as we did in 16.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
cannabis_flower
(3,769 posts)to not be for Biden for other reasons? Is it ok if there are things in his record we don't like. Or will that be not ok also?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
jcgoldie
(11,657 posts)This post is about 9 months too soon.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
zackymilly
(2,375 posts)"Looks like" means nothing this early in the race.
It looked like Hillary was going to win weeks before the 2016 election.
Don't put all your chickens in one egg!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Larrybanal
(227 posts)I am closing in on 70 but my parents are in their early 90's...people in their 80's almost always start declining rather rapidly. yes there are exceptions but I have seen it too many times. my mother never stopped walking or riding her bike but suddenly she started falling down and has had many close calls. biden's decline is not as bad as trump's but you are right...we need something new and I fear biden just wants to resurrect obama
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Control-Z
(15,682 posts)What a ridiculous thing to say.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Mr.Bill
(24,365 posts)Look at the orange pile of shit living in the White House now and tell me "resurrecting Obama" would not be a vast improvement.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
treestar
(82,383 posts)prove nothing. People "almost always" decline when? Jimmy Carter is building houses.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Tarheel_Dem
(31,257 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
SCVDem
(5,103 posts)nothing good to say ..........
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
bluewater
(5,376 posts)One thing is certain, Joe Biden's electability comes down to voters trusting he is up to handling the job as President.
Right now, Biden has not seemed to be "as sharp as a tack", as the old adage goes. What voters will make of that if it keeps up is what will determine his fate this primary season.
Thanks again!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
riverine
(516 posts)and he is not pushing some pie-in-the-sky single payer program that would lead to defeat in the general election.
Expand the ACA into the red states. If Kentucky can make the ACA work any state can. Even Mississippi.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
pnwmom
(109,024 posts)So an 80 year old is at much higher risk than a 70 year old.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
riverine
(516 posts)POTUS in waiting. One Term then handoff.
She has the Obama pragmatism.
Female.
Midwestern.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
LakeArenal
(28,867 posts)Although Klobuchar is fine by me.
But again I dont know why a VP choice has to be a primary opponent.
Katie Porter is great. Stacy Abrams is great. Al Franken is great
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
PatrickforO
(14,604 posts)Although Klobuchar is ok. She's just a bit centrist for my tastes.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
dflprincess
(28,094 posts)and Amy on the ticket with Biden is going to be a real downer for a lot of people (yes, I would still vote for them).
I don't want Warren in the VP slot as I'd rather see her in the Senate if she's not the nominee. Besides, and flame me if you must, if Biden, Warren, or Bernie were the nominee, we need someone younger in the VP slot.
BTW Amy is quite a ways behind Warren in the "bean" poll* the DFL is taking at the Minnesota State Fair, but ahead of Bernie. Warren is running away with it. (Yes, it's unscientific, but the results are still interesting).
*So named because you place a bean in the cylinder with your choice's picture & name on it.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
PatrickforO
(14,604 posts)Yes, Warren is going to be 70 when elected, if elected. So, yeah, if she had someone on the ticket younger like Buttigieg, they would smash Trump and Pence.
Warren's an awfully young 70 though.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
dflprincess
(28,094 posts)and I am leaning Warren (and she's who I'll vote for in the "bean poll" when I'm at the fair tomorrow).
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
TryLogic
(1,723 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Turin_C3PO
(14,131 posts)like Warren or Harris as VP.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Ace Rothstein
(3,199 posts)Should he win this year.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
TryLogic
(1,723 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
OilemFirchen
(7,143 posts)I should not vote for a candidate because of your limitations?
Looks like you still have a healthy sense of hubris.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)when mirrors tell me it's 4 inches wider than I was.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
pangaia
(24,324 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
True Blue American
(17,995 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
emmaverybo
(8,144 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
treestar
(82,383 posts)to see this argument - "I am x years old and can't remember my ass" or the parents. That proves nothing about Biden.
His gaffes are over covered and those of younger candidates not noticed.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)a killer memory that soaks up information and pops it onto the mental screen as needed. And retirement hardly prepares me for her typical day. I'd collapse under a high intensity workout before I got up to speed, if the constant stress didn't take me out first. Or trying to spend them in those heels...! We're not the same.
Biden's gaffs are over covered but are also being insidiously hit again and again by hostile pundits insinuating mental decline, more on CNN than MSNBC. I check to see what CNN's more relatively honest shows are covering but always end up switching when the next RW agent, brought in to create national mental decline, goes to work.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
TheCowsCameHome
(40,169 posts)and the possibility of a second term? Not likely.
I really like Joe, always did, but being close to his age myself it gives me a new perspective.
I'd vote for him if he's the nominee though.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Gothmog
(145,839 posts)Link to tweet
As Waldman also wrote, Trump is waging a reelection campaign based on racism and fear, not to mention being the most prolific liar in American political history (he just passed 12,000 false or misleading claims). And what makes the focus on Bidens mouth extra aggravating is how it wipes our memories of the moronic things said by this president, as my follower @absolut_irish was so kind to remind Bidens critics.
Link to tweet
Some of these are funny. Some are worthy of a cocked eyebrow. But they are not nearly as consequential as the racist and white supremacist beliefs parroted by Trump and the right-wing echo chamber that found their way into the manifesto of the suspect in the El Paso mass shooting, who told police his target was "Mexicans. The atmosphere of menace and danger is now indisputable. Your time would be better spent worrying about the shredding of our values, ideals and the rule of law than the flubs of a particular candidate who would put an end to this shameful chapter.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
True Blue American
(17,995 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Gothmog
(145,839 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
True Blue American
(17,995 posts)At this time my choice would be Biden/ Warren.
Biden to undo the Trump mess, Warren to take on the financial mess made by Trump and Republicans.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Gothmog
(145,839 posts)The governor of Mass. is a republican and if Warren is out of the Senate, we will lose that seat until a special election is held
I personally like Harris.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
BannonsLiver
(16,542 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
bluewater
(5,376 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Perseus
(4,341 posts)I think her is right, Biden is showing that he is not on his "A" game.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
treestar
(82,383 posts)Right now his D game is better than Donald Dotard's A game.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Perseus
(4,341 posts)And we want a president who will be on his "A" game to fix all the damage this administration causes everyday.
Of course Biden is better than the creature, in every aspect, there is no comparison, but Biden still needs his "A" game, we should not expect anything else from our candidates.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
treestar
(82,383 posts)that Hairplug Himmler caused makes Biden the best one, though, as he has so much experience. And with the big picture - his underlings can deal with small details. We don't need him to have all the details off the top of his head, but we need his big picture knowledge.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
bucolic_frolic
(43,476 posts)As I age, I am surprised how wisdom snowballs. It grows exponentially. Things are connected that I never knew were connected. I am able to draw together disparate pieces of information from distinct areas of knowledge, and synthesize them.
Older politicians understand how fierce their opposition will be, and they know how to scheme and plan and maneuver, and what to do about it. Younger politicians with a dream in their eye think everything runs on the up and up, that of course everyone is patriotic, and cannot be subverted from that ideal.
Read David McCulloch's "John Adams". The depth of his insight in the papers he left to posterity rings to this day. It's going to take wisdom and experience to solve this crisis. Democrats need to be wise to the lay of the landscape. It takes wisdom.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
HeartlandProgressive
(294 posts)This age and wisdom stuff increasing exponentially is just not true.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
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redstateblues
(10,565 posts)With how mentally active you are. For instance, practicing musicians IQs stay higher than the general public. Of course Im a working musician closing in on 71!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Princetonian
(1,501 posts)Scientists found studying music created better focus in sports under pressure.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)"This age and wisdom stuff increasing exponentially is just not true..."
Not true in your case, maybe. But try not to project your own limitations onto everyone else.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
TryLogic
(1,723 posts)Then why did a majority of old white guys vote for Trump. (Not me!!)
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
MFM008
(19,834 posts)Werent in the race[ along with about 8 others] but i will pledge to support
Our nominee.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
cwydro
(51,308 posts)But he just doesnt seem up to it to me.
And Jills commercial to just swallow a bit and vote for him struck me as bizarre in the extreme.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
oldsoftie
(12,665 posts)A friends dad is 88 and is in better shape than his son. It depends on the person
Biden's gaffes arent because of age, he's been making them his whole career!
get back on the bus!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
she should have retired when Obama was president
and can't we have a president who not EXPECTED to make chronic gaffes? IT'S NOT FUNNY.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
oldsoftie
(12,665 posts)I think Beto has made his share of gaffes as well. They ALL do. the camera is on them ALL the time.
If Biden ever looks like he's just not all there, thats a different story. Thats not happening now
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Skittles
(153,298 posts)and Biden is KNOWN for his gaffes - HUGE difference
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
oldsoftie
(12,665 posts)Look at W; he gaffed his whole life
If you think RBG shouldve retired because of her age when obama was president, then you should still have the same opinion; even stronger since shes OLDER.
Age only matters when it stops you from doing your job.
So if he wins the nomination you wouldnt vote for him because of his age?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Skittles
(153,298 posts)but we should not have to SETTLE
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
treestar
(82,383 posts)there's no proof she is not doing the job or making gaffes in opinions.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Autumn
(45,120 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
MineralMan
(146,350 posts)So do I.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
trof
(54,256 posts)The state Democratic party is dysfunctional.
The two 'leaders' were disqualified at the national convention in California.
I'm working with other grassroots orgs to try and change things, but it's an uphill battle.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
MineralMan
(146,350 posts)to the Democratic nominating convention. You have one vote, and so do I in my state. That's it.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Kurt V.
(5,624 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
emmaverybo
(8,144 posts)Snip-
A persistent myth in our youth-focused culture suggests the process of aging means inevitable, progressive decline. In my field of research, brain health, this myth results in most people believing and allowing their best brain years to be in the past.
Think about it. When do you believe your brain was operating at peak performance?
I frequently ask people this question, and the answer is almost always 10 to 20 years ago - no matter what age they are!
While it is true that many brain processes decline as we age, that is only part of the story. As brain health experts, we are discovering there is more to be celebrated than to be feared. Some brain functions actually improve as we grow older. In fact, as long as no disease is present, the majority of seniors continue to have the capacity to continue to learn new things and make sound decisions.
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/make-your-brain-smarter/201508/the-potential-the-aging-mind
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Princetonian
(1,501 posts)Think about it. When do you believe your brain was operating at peak performance?
I frequently ask people this question, and the answer is almost always 10 to 20 years ago - no matter what age they are!
While it is true that many brain processes decline as we age, that is only part of the story. As brain health experts, we are discovering there is more to be celebrated than to be feared. Some brain functions actually improve as we grow older. In fact, as long as no disease is present, the majority of seniors continue to have the capacity to continue to learn new things and make sound decisions.
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/make-your-brain-smarter/201508/the-potential-the-aging-mind
Thanks, emmaverybo!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
treestar
(82,383 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)And I agree, and I have posted about this, that at a certain point, one must be willing to step back and allow the next generation to step forward.
I am 68, and I was a Union Representative for over 33 years. This spring, the current President of our local asked me to run for President when he retires. I told him that I have been retired for almost 6 years, and that while I attend meetings and read the union papers, I am 6 years out of the business.
So I said that it is time for the younger Representatives to step forward.
And I work out every day, and my wife and I walk 5-6 miles a day, but I cannot lift what I did at 30.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
True Blue American
(17,995 posts)Have to do with your brain? If those you worked with believe you are capable why not.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)As to my situation, I like being retired. My wife is also retired, and we have time to pursue hobbies.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Sugarcoated
(7,736 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
wasupaloopa
(4,516 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
hlthe2b
(102,509 posts)and when I reach my 60s and older, I'll never look like the Cheryl Tiegs and the Christie Brinkleys today--
well into their 70s and 60s respectively.
Age. like looks, is on a continuum and how well both "play" is very much an independent phenomenon.
I've known people in their 30s so arthritic they looked decades older. I've also known people in their late 80s-90s who hiked 3 miles a day in the Colorado foothills and could beat anyone they knew at the NYT crossword puzzle in the most astounding way.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)favorite to beat trump.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Freethinker65
(10,105 posts)I will vote for whoever the Democratic nominee is.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
George II
(67,782 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
El Supremo
(20,365 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
redstateblues
(10,565 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
FloridaBlues
(4,013 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
LincolnRossiter
(560 posts)Cheers.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
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Ferrets are Cool
(21,116 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
El Supremo
(20,365 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Ferrets are Cool
(21,116 posts)and mistakes.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Princetonian
(1,501 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
True Blue American
(17,995 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
El Supremo
(20,365 posts)We need a vigorous leader to overcome all the damage that Drumph and his minions have done.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Princetonian
(1,501 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Mr.Bill
(24,365 posts)Biden has about 40 IQ points on Trump.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Princetonian
(1,501 posts)I find it amusing that many of the people recommending this OP are supporters of Bernie and Liz, both septuagenarians. Talk about frontrunner envy.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Martin Eden
(12,885 posts)The more debilitating effects of aging might not be evident now, but they can snowball pretty fast once they strike -- especially in perhaps the most demanding and stressful job on the planet.
I have to agree with the OP.
Joe,
Thank you very much for your service. Enjoy your grandkids.
I'm a very active 62 year old, but I am not the man I was mentally or physically 20 years ago.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Mr.Bill
(24,365 posts)If you run, I won't vote for you. I wouldn't have made a good president at any age. But I'm not Joe Biden, and neither are you.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
jalan48
(13,909 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Mr.Bill
(24,365 posts)make him the best person to repair the foreign relations disaster Trump will leave behind.
Hell, Joe could probably handle it with a few phone calls his first week in office. He needs to highlight these skills in his campaign ads.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Princetonian
(1,501 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Skittles
(153,298 posts)ENOUGH already
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Princetonian
(1,501 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Skittles
(153,298 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Princetonian
(1,501 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Skittles
(153,298 posts)*done here*
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Princetonian
(1,501 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
trof
(54,256 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
highplainsdem
(49,121 posts)I'm also very aware that there are a lot of younger people who don't think particularly clearly.
Nor do they have very much knowledge and experience.
So I don't see anything wrong with a candidate who's older, but who's also in good health, with more experience than anyone else running in governing and legislating at the national level, more friends and allies across the nation and the world than anyone else running, more compassion than any other politician I can think of, and an openness and willingness to keep trying and keep confronting new challenges that would be amazing in anyone at any age.
We're lucky he's running.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
customerserviceguy
(25,183 posts)is that there are no "tweens", people who have been in the public eye for say, twenty or thirty years. We have Biden and Sanders who have, as you say, made a career of it, and we have people who nobody heard of ten years ago.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
BarbD
(1,194 posts)and mentor the younger generation.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Princetonian
(1,501 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
BarbD
(1,194 posts)The chaotic mess that is currently unfolding, and the dismantling of our government will demand an extremely capable president and cabinet to try and put things back together. This will be a formidable task. These people will have to be at the top of their game.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Princetonian
(1,501 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
BarbD
(1,194 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
highplainsdem
(49,121 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Princetonian
(1,501 posts)Harris has a troubled DA & AG history that Tulsi Gabbard highlighted at the second debate that will be cannon fodder for Trump during a GE. Plus she has a small fraction of black voter support relative to Joe.
Klobucher has little support across the board.
None of the above can win the GE. Only Joe can:
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
treestar
(82,383 posts)Harris had not one term as Senator and AG experiences, which is a lawyer job.
Klobuchar has Senate and some AG experience.
Nothing to 30+ in Senate and 8 as VP.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
treestar
(82,383 posts)than the top of the other candidates' games - he has more direct government experience - in 2 branches. Age notwithstanding.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Demsrule86
(68,788 posts)20.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Turin_C3PO
(14,131 posts)Even the if the nominee is someone like Sanders. Trumps approval is way underwater in the swing states. Even Arizona, Georgia, Iowa and North Carolina will likely be in play. Heck, we could take Texas, or at least make it competitive if Trump totally collapses.
BUT we mustnt get complacent and we must GOTV, donate time and money, etc.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Demsrule86
(68,788 posts)we could even lose the house with a left candidate...I think Sanders has a small chance...to take Wisconsin. We have to attract independents which tend to be more moderate. Trump wins three purple states...WI, MI and PA...he wins the electoral college.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
treestar
(82,383 posts)And Biden clearly does not.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
lunasun
(21,646 posts)great physical shape but I guess even then he made the gaffes . Bernie I think is older but seems more on mentally. Maybe it is just Bernies personality that comes on strong
Warren is just a few years younger than both but maybe shows that those are important years that can make a difference depending on the person.
They all are senior plus yet those three are the top numbers in polls
But Biden seems to be leading in polls. He may go down or up but still stays on top Maybe he is seen as the safest bet
My question is all those other candidates -where do their supporters go as the race goes on as they drop out , and what about independents ?.. . We have to come together in the end is my only hope and at this point I really dont have a favorite candidate but it will not be a blow out win no matter who is the nominee imo
Not just trump heads but propaganda, voter suppression and interference will make it a struggle no matter who is the candidate
I also wonder how many people are like me that they still dont really have a preference & just want to beat trump
Any way the wind blows Ill bend ! Sad but true
How old was Reagan ? He always seems more decrepit than any of our candidates from inauguration on
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Loki Liesmith
(4,602 posts)And whatever.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
True Dough
(17,378 posts)without opinions, like 'em or not.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
iluvtennis
(19,905 posts)man. Biden is the man who cna beat trump. In different times with a different person in the oval office, I'd agree and say 40 years is enough, go enjoy the grand kids. But these are critical times, and to save the soul of our nation, we need Joe Biden as the democratic nominee.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
TrollBuster9090
(5,955 posts)...even if he was, he doesn't have to be perfect. He just has to be better than Trump. Which, ON THE WORST DAY OF HIS LIFE, Biden WILL be.
Second, that only means Biden should pick a younger running mate, who excites the next generation. I'm sure he'll do that, and I'm also sure that he's honest and self-aware enough to RESIGN, and turn the Presidency over to his VP if he senses a mental decline.
Finally, I can't believe the MSM is even TALKING about this. I've watched Biden for all 40 years he's been in public life, and he's ALWAYS made EXACTLY the same number of verbal gaffes that he does now. I've never like that about him, but there it is. It's not a sign of mental decline.
But I can't believe the f-#king MSM devotes a whole news cycle to the odd Biden misspeak, while f--ing TRUMP has at least TEN mental brainfarts for every minute he speaks. He can't remember which Kim he's supposed to be talking about. Took his aides MONTHS to get him to remember "Jong Un." Can't even remember that his own wife never MET him. Gives people childish nicknames because he can't remember their REAL names. (The main reason he called Kim 'little rocket man' for months.) Has Washington and his men storming f-ing AIRPORTS, renaming Tim Cook 'Tim Apple' and then childishly REFUSING to admit it was just a gaffe...
The damned news media should be embarrassed that they even MENTION Biden's gaffes, when Trump commits more of them in five minutes than Biden does in a month.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Duppers
(28,132 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
emmaverybo
(8,144 posts)Central America and the migrant humanitarian crisis; no cognitive impairment in his widely praised
speech after El Paso; losing it not discernible in his solid foreign policy address, thoughtful Anderson interview, and during the 90 minutes he held discussions with leading black journalists.
I guess the brave young Major Ginger Tate, who gave Joe the most moving endorsement today, doesnt get that hes on his way to certain dementia.
Maybe someone should tip off Atlantas popular and accomplished mayor, Keisha Bottoms, and Texas Rep, Eddie Bernice Johnson, chair of the House Science, Space, and Technology Committee, and the five other CBC members supporting Joe because they didnt get the diagnosis memo.
Maybe the board certified specialists at DU should alert all Biden endorsers to the signs before they get duped any longer,
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,976 posts)that are ignored when others make them, because, you know, he's "gaffe-prone." So of course the media are all, See, he did it again! Meanwhile, Trump lies a half-dozen times before breakfast and everybody yawns.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
amuse bouche
(3,657 posts)some smart as whip candidate like Mayor Pete. He has so many talents and seems brilliant
We have a bunch of excellent candidates. It seems many just want someone comfortable
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Autumn
(45,120 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Princetonian
(1,501 posts)Joe is already a silver fox.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Autumn
(45,120 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Princetonian
(1,501 posts)Yup, he's a total silver fox.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
True Dough
(17,378 posts)It's the go-to defense. Mighty repetitious.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Princetonian
(1,501 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Autumn
(45,120 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)"It's the go-to defense..."
As is alleging "so many gaffes. How concerning..."
Mighty repetitious, indeed.
(insert distinction lacking relevant difference below to maintain pretense of current framing and narrative)
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)On what objective measure is that pulled from, and how do the two numbers compare?
Or... you're simply making things up to suit your own narrative. (I won''t blame your age for doing so, though...)
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Autumn
(45,120 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
treestar
(82,383 posts)they age because they are at least 50 and that's when you start looking older. This happens to anyone in 8 years. We just want to believe the Presidency is the most demanding job in the world. It also has perks that other jobs don't have. And one is not worried about one's financial fate anymore. It's more stressful to be retired on low income, I bet, worrying about bills and survival every day; worried about medical events that the POTUS knows can be treated and will be treated by the very best medical care.
Obama went gray because, with individual variation, it is quite common for one's hair to turn grayer from the ages of 47 to the age of 55.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
SayItLoud
(1,702 posts)If hes the nominee? Carry your opinion to conclusion.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
7horses
(163 posts)I would vote for Jimmy Carter (94) if he ran, but it is not Biden's age it is he mind that is going.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Mars and Minerva
(369 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
mopinko
(70,337 posts)how long you can stay in a job, and looking at the future.
would you appoint her today?
i dont really think so.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Mars and Minerva
(369 posts)My uncle ran his own highly successful company with branches in 30 states until he retired at 92. He was in his office every morning at 7am and never missed a beat.
I understand that some people come from families that don't age well. My experience is exactly the opposite.
To answer your question, RBG is ten years older than Biden and she is still an enormous force on the bench.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Imperialism Inc.
(2,495 posts)Joe got a little too touchy feely at some event or government function? That and a long career with questionable positions to draw from to run the same targeted negative campaign they used against Hillary makes me think Joe as nominee could be disastrous.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Princetonian
(1,501 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Tipperary
(6,930 posts)Please.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Princetonian
(1,501 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
zackymilly
(2,375 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Princetonian
(1,501 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
zackymilly
(2,375 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Princetonian
(1,501 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
treestar
(82,383 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
...I think many people are coming to the same conclusion about Joe...
...
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Sugarcoated
(7,736 posts)But it looks to me like Joe is ahead by a wide majority of people and that lead is steady and holding.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Princetonian
(1,501 posts)I've read on this thread that Alzheimer's could strike at any time, so Bernie must move aside along with Joe and Liz just in case.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
dchill
(38,609 posts)Personally, I'm 68, which probably seems young to you. But when I go to the store to buy Prevagen, I can't remember what it's called. Either that, or I know exactly what it's called, but don't remember what it's for. I wouldn't be surprised if that's precisely where Biden is right about now. Doesn't mean he shouldn't be President, though. IMO.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
NNadir
(33,583 posts)...impressive afternoons of my life.
I'm not a Biden supporter, and I am an old man, but one person's experience is not everyone's experience.
Freeman Dyson was more together in his late 80's than I have been on the best day of my life.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
True Dough
(17,378 posts)You might be getting up there in years but you expressed your opinion cogently. Respect to you for it, whether others appreciate it or not.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Gothmog
(145,839 posts)Biden's so-called gaffes will not be an issue in the general election https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/meet-the-press/democrats-battle-each-other-trump-s-greatest-ally-time-n1042191#anchor-Whatabouthisgaffes
Thats a lot of people back there for a like an 11 oclock speech. Thats a lot of people. (Laughter.) Thats a lot. (In fact, the speech was after 2:00 pm ET.)
This Shell petrochemical plant in Beaver County, Pennsylvania I did very well here. We did very well. How many points did we win by? Does anybody know? I'll tell you. Isn't it, I think, 28 points?
That's a lot. (Trump won Beaver County by 19 points in 2016.)
I got sued on a thing called emoluments. Emoluments. You ever hear the word? Nobody ever heard of it before. They went back. Now, nobody looks at Obama getting $60 million for a book. (Obama signed his book deal in 2017, after leaving office.)
Trumps two and a half years in office definitely have changed the political and media world.
Shouldnt they also change how we cover gaffes and misstatements?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
notKeith
(141 posts)..for lot of reasons.
The biggest issue is the media, which has normalized Trump's insanity, non-stop lying, malignant narcissism and stochastic terrorism. But they'll fine-tooth-comb anything coming from a non-Republican.
Which leads to this - Biden referring to "poor kids being just as bright as white kids" is the sort of cringe-worthy media disaster that would kill him in a debate with Trump - even if Trump continued to lie in a torrential stream. He is expected to lie. There are different rules for him; hell, he violates federal law daily, it seems, by the time he's consumed his first McWhatever and coke.
So.. "Shouldn't they also change how we cover gaffes and missstatements"? -- well yah, but who's going to make the Fourth Estate (finally) start behaving again like the .. Fourth Estate?
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
TryLogic
(1,723 posts)A is great because B is worse?
A is great because B is terrible?
Does not work for me.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Gothmog
(145,839 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Joe941
(2,848 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
pattyloutwo
(279 posts)His heart doesnt seem in it. I think he thinks he can win and thats why hes running. Looking over some of the reasons listed such as, it takes an old white man to beat an old white man are not what Democrats should be aiming for. Remember how inspiring the 2008 election was? Lets go for inspiration and getting people on board for effective change!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
emmaverybo
(8,144 posts)talking about. Journos have too. From his campaign launch, he has delivered some of the most inspiring moments and most profound message so far of any one in the field. I am inspired by his call for unity, his framing this race as a struggle for the soul of America, by his consistently denouncing Trumps lack of moral fiber, his refusal to acknowledge, to support the America idea.I am inspired by Joes vision of America, one he has put forth throughout his campaign when others are getting bogged down in policy wars.
And when I see him with individual everyday people he is bonding with at his events, I feel radiant decency and compassion.
You have missed that heart. They say he wears it on his sleeve.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ecstatic
(32,782 posts)the age thing. I like him. I trust his judgment. I have no issues with him or his gaffes.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
TomCADem
(17,390 posts)I think the focus on Biden's "gaffes" is just a narrative adopted by lazy journalists. For example, can you imagine what would be running 24/7 if Biden did this:
Yet, you see no mention of this while various threads on Joe's age or gaffes get repeatedly boosted.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
zackymilly
(2,375 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
UniteFightBack
(8,231 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
delisen
(6,046 posts)Most Americans are unaware of the documented declines in incidence of age-related dementia in recent years. This is true in the US and many European countries. The declines were unexpected and may be related to improvements in health care and education.
Many well-regarded studies attest to the decline-the following is just one:
https://www.nia.nih.gov/news/study-examines-factors-behind-decline-dementia-incidence
Their findings suggest that while the number of people with dementia may be rising due to the aging population, the risk of dementia may have been decreasing in high-income communities such as Framingham. They found:
There was a progressive decline in dementia incidence, at any given age, with an average reduction of 20 percent per decade since the 1970s.
The amount of education appeared to play a significant role in dementia risk. Among volunteers with at least a high school diploma, dementia incidence declined by 22 percent by the 1980s, 38 percent the 1990s, and 44 percent by the 2000s when compared to the first decade. They also noted that more study participants graduated from high school as the study progressed.
These declines have occurred even withe the increase in diabetes which is associated with dementia.
What seems to have remained steady is prejudice against older people
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
samnsara
(17,658 posts)..cuz in the end thats all that counts. We all have our opinions of the noms but the only thing that counts is we support whichever of them gets the nom and believe me a cpl i will hold my nose to vote for them...but i will!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Tarc
(10,478 posts)Vote for him in a heartbeat if he's the candidate, but the preference is four younger, diverse blood in the party.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
DrFunkenstein
(8,745 posts)I simply disagree with Biden's corporate friendly version of establishment politics and his tepid response to the massive surge to the right that the Republicans and their wealthy benefactors have taken us basically since the invasion of Iraq.
Which is another excellent way to distinguish Bernie's opposition from Biden's enabling.
I have long been from the Wellstone side of the party, so any "third way" candidates are going to be low on my list.
I am a passionate supporter of the policies from both Bernie and Liz, but given the choice I'd rather break the ultimate glass ceiling with someone as powerfully intelligent as Warren. I'll vote for the eventual nominee, just as I voted for Clinton, but we are still a point where we can choose someone we really and truly believe in.
And if we can make history in the process, so much the better!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
TryLogic
(1,723 posts)"I simply disagree with Biden's corporate friendly version of establishment politics and his tepid response to the massive surge to the right that the Republicans and their wealthy benefactors have taken us basically since the invasion of Iraq."
Rather than "massive surge to the right", I would say his willingness to "work with" right wing radicals to find "common ground". Remember Obama/Biden's first two years?
And rather than "since the invasion of Iraq" I would say since Reagan declared "government IS the problem".
I have a high level of trust for Warren. I like that feeling.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
DrFunkenstein
(8,745 posts)It really does go back to Reagan.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
lillypaddle
(9,581 posts)and I agree with you.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
trof
(54,256 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
lillypaddle
(9,581 posts)or you will REALLY be in trouble!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ooky
(8,933 posts)I'm sure Joe will have a capable running mate to take over if he can't complete his term. For now he looks up to the task to me.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
colsohlibgal
(5,275 posts)Maybe he he is mentally sharp enough now......but will he be through his presidency? Do we want to risk that?
I guess it, for whatever reason, is not a concern for the Biden crowd but it is what it is.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)We're all different. We all age differently.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Gothmog
(145,839 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
tberry65
(34 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Ponietz
(3,069 posts)That wont happen without offering true change.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
saidsimplesimon
(7,888 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
extvbroadcaster
(343 posts)I got flamed for saying the same thing. Biden is too old, so is Trump and so is Warren really. There should be a number of requirements to run for President. An age limit is one. Release tax returns. Pass a basic civics test for Christ sake. The OP is right, I don't care who you are. At upper 70's you are losing steps and are much better off in an advisor role, not running the show. A younger ticket would provide a clear contrast to Trump as well. Two old white guys on a debate stage? Trump wins. He has no intention of playing fair, and the news moderators will never press him. So he will ramble on, call Biden names, and his "base" will lap it up. 4 more years! I can hear it now. The goal here is to get rid of Trump, and I am afraid that Biden is not up to it, his heart is not in it, and he will lose to the orange anus.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Sloumeau
(2,657 posts)78-year-olds. He does crossword puzzles every day, and the two 60-year-olds that he plays Scrabble with are amazed at how often he crushes them when they play. My dad and his 82-year-old wife (my mom) will be flying to England and Ireland in a few weeks so that they can walk around the countryside. They TIVO and watch the national news and Rachel Maddow five nights a week, and they know more about Democratic politics than 90% of the country (they were both teachers. My family lives by four ideas: eat right, exercise, learn, help people)
Not every 78-year-old is the same, and it is a mistake to think that Joe Biden is the same as another 78-year-old. I know that Biden will pick a good VP and that he will step down if he needs to due some medical emergency, unlike Reagan, who stayed in even though he clearly had Alzheimer's. On his worst day, Biden is better than Trump is on his best day, and he is better than George W. Bush was on his best day, and Bush was 54 when he took office.
Trump understands nothing about the U.S. Government or about how it should work. Biden has more experience in how the government is supposed to work than anyone else running. He will crush Trump like a bug, and he will work hard to make sure that everyone feels included and that the rising tide lifts all boats. He will unify us where Trump has divided us.
Reagan appealed to Republicans, Independents, and even a lot of Democrats because he offered to take Americans back to a time before the divisiveness that occurred from things like Watergate and stupid wars like Viet Nam. Biden will offer the same appeal to get back to a time before Trump's reckless and evil divisiveness, and because of that appeal, Biden will win.
We were on the right track with President Obama. Trump seriously derailed us. We need a candidate will help us to get us back on the track we were on with Barack Obama--the one that Hillary Clinton would have kept us on. We need to be on the track that has economic improvement for all, not just tax cuts for the rich. We need the track with improvement for race relations, not the one with Muslima bans and Latino children in cages. We need the track with advancement for the LGBTQ community, not kicking Trans people out of the military, and we need the track with a President who does not spend every day insulting people who are not part of the coalition that elected him. Biden, like Obama, Clinton, Carter, and JFK before him, wants to win not by insulting people, but by offering a positive vision of America and by offering to at least initially trying work with everyone. He wants to bring America back to the country it was before it got derailed
President Obama had us on the right track. Trump derailed an entire country. Biden will get us back on track. Go Joe!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
still_one
(92,502 posts)than Biden, or the other leading candidate in her seventies
One might think this is just an opportunity for some to create a Biden bashing thread, since other older candidates are not even alluded to
The sure give away though is exclusively attacking him him on ageism, not on differences in policy or ideas
and then with the authority, see I am not ageist because I am old too. That is almost as laughable as those who say I am not prejudice because Some of my best are....
I also amused by those that always begin, he is a great fellow, but....
Excellent ageist and divisionary flame-bait OP, that people can see right through
love those generalizations
I could see similar reasoning used against FDR because of polio
Thank you all you neurologists who contributed to this bullshit. Wonder how many were the same faces telling us about Hillarys health issues?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Drunken Irishman
(34,857 posts)It's perfectly okay to be an ageist when it's Biden - but the other two? Meh. There's such a hypocrisy on DU that it's nauseating. If anyone else made a post that called out Warren for being a woman, or Harris for being a black woman, using those against either candidate, they'd have that post removed and likely would be banned from the forum. But it's perfectly acceptable to be an ageist. I don't care if the OP is older or not - it's insulting. It's demeaning. It's trash. This whole thread is trash.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
still_one
(92,502 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
highplainsdem
(49,121 posts)who'd recced this thread, but of those, 22 were Warren supporters and a couple were Sanders supporters.
And I just checked the bottom couple lines of names of DUers who recced this thread, and it looks like those are about half Warren and Sanders supporters.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
duforsure
(11,885 posts)Too many gaffes, and lapse's when he speaks, and we need an expert speaking for us , not someone who has troubles remembering lines, and policies.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
still_one
(92,502 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Turin_C3PO
(14,131 posts)Theres no point in sticking your head in the sand and saying he doesnt have some things he needs to work on. I dont believe his gaffes are due to mental decline or age at all, I think its just something hes always done. But it will eventually start to hurt us in the general against Trump because the media sucks and will focus on Bidens misstatements and not on Trumps Dosen daily lies.
I support Biden because of his foreign policy chops as well as his electability but I think Warren, Harris or possibly but unlikely, Sanders might catch up to him in the polls if he keeps making mistakes.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
treestar
(82,383 posts)pauses do not indicate otherwise. Obama was famous for "ummm" and "look" Still knew more than anybody else in the room.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
HeartlandProgressive
(294 posts)So it is important to notice each candidate's behavior and performance and not make excuses for any obvious lapses or shortcoming
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Martin Eden
(12,885 posts)Joe Biden will be 82 at the end of his first term.
If 80 isn't too old for the most demanding job on the planet, how old is too old -- 90; 100?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Always Randy
(1,060 posts)I can't understand how people are picking out wallpaper for the dining room when both their front and back porches are on fire
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Autumn
(45,120 posts)be up to the job of putting out the fires and Joe will be 77 in November.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
DIVINEprividence
(443 posts)Let's see how he does in the debate with Warren. I think he will do great. Biden is a great man.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
citizen blues
(570 posts)I'm in my 50's, and I can feel a difference between my 20's and now.
I'm really not interested in Biden. He's had his time - 40 years of it. Bernie's a year older than Biden, and like Biden, he's also had his time - 16 years in the House plus 12 in the Senate.
We need some fresh faces in the Democratic party.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
nolabear
(42,002 posts)My father in law is 96. He was once on the short list for Surgeon General. He was a surgeon until he hit mandatory retirement in his 70s, then went to the state board of health. He's not the man he was for sure now but in his 70s he was sharper than most people in their fifties.
I'm a retired therapist and know something about brain function. Age does indeed cause things like anomia so people forget names of things in the short term, but that has no actual bearing on their ability to reason or be effective in other cognitive function. Being onstage or pressured to come up with something under a spotlight exacerbates it. It's not harmful unless you're dealing with someone who has a prejudice against it. It's also very often exacerbated by menopause, so women deal with it earlier, often. We are not less capable. We just have to work around it.
If Joe actually exhibits cognitive decline that could be problematic I'll remark on it. So far he hasn't worried me about his capabilities in the office at all, except that he is kind of entitled and gets irritated that people give him the kind of unfair grief they give everyone else. I wish he'd get over that.
I still think he can get us back on track so the younger, more progressive people can follow.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
True Dough
(17,378 posts)take a gander here first:
https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1287&pid=258897
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
trof
(54,256 posts)You KNOW the repugs will run that tape.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
True Dough
(17,378 posts)they will. Over and over again.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
highplainsdem
(49,121 posts)At least that's my guess based on checking the first 52 names, out of which 22 were Warren supporters.
Out of those 52, there were also a couple of Sanders supporters, though Sanders is older than Biden.
There were a few Buttigieg and O'Rourke supporters -- the candidate names you'd expect to pop up from those most concerned about Biden supposedly being "too old."
And there were a couple of other candidate names, including Bennet and Steyer if I recall correctly.
And a lot of undecideds, though I recognize some of the undecideds as being regular Biden critics who support Sanders or Warren in their posts.
Most noticeable, though, were the Warren supporters.
Who think age is VERY important.
But apparently to them 70 is fine, while 76 isn't.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
bluewater
(5,376 posts)both Biden and Sanders will turn 80 in their first term if elected.
Warren will not turn 80 even if serving two full terms.
Just sayin', since you asked.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
highplainsdem
(49,121 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
bluewater
(5,376 posts)Especially for candidates in their 70's.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
highplainsdem
(49,121 posts)old but 70 isn't.
I think you'd have a tough time selling that argument to anyone who isn't a "let's ignore Warren's age" Warren supporter, though.
What's really important is health.
All three of our oldest candidates, including Warren, are in good health.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
bluewater
(5,376 posts)Sorry, but 6 years, 8% of their lifetime, is a huge difference and seem to be taking a toll on Joe.
But let's judge the candidates as individuals. As an individual, Biden's continuing gaffes, memory lapses and general confusion is very concerning.
Just today, there is a story in the Washington Post where Biden told a war story that just did not happen as he described.
The upshot: In the space of three minutes, Biden got the time period, the location, the heroic act, the type of medal, the military branch and the rank of the recipient wrong, as well as his own role in the ceremony.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/as-he-campaigns-for-president-joe-biden-tells-a-moving-but-false-war-story/2019/08/29/b5159676-c9aa-11e9-a1fe-ca46e8d573c0_story.html
So, Joe Biden is not as sharp as a tack anymore. I know he is not a liar, so he must be confused.
We have to judge each individual candidate on what they say and do, right?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
highplainsdem
(49,121 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
bluewater
(5,376 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
highplainsdem
(49,121 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
treestar
(82,383 posts)Others can deal with details. He will pick really good people for that.
He would be elected to restore sanity. That's the only reason he is running. He would not be running if there was a normal R President, rather than one who is messing things up to a degree not seen before.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
blakstoneranger
(333 posts)From what I've seen with my own eyes I think maybe he's not capable of handling POTUS. I don't want to see him end up like trump. I would hate to see him make the crazy, inept mistakes in words and action as president dinkle tinkle. I really want him to have this, but he seems too medicated. He's not the only one, hillary, trump, pelosi, mcconnel, graham. There's a bunch of these old guys in washington who seem to be on some kind of powerful medication that affects their cognitive abilities. I hope I'm wrong, he's really the only one who really beat the pants off trump. Hey, if biden drops out, who would be a better choice to actually beat trump? SAVE AMERICA, DUMP TRUMP 2020!!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
highplainsdem
(49,121 posts)one year younger than HRC.
And though you have Biden as your preferred candidate you now think he's too old.
Any more of our most powerful, most effective Democratic leaders and candidates you'd like out?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
MBS
(9,688 posts)Appeals to moderates as well as progressives (essential!), and thus electable.
Has bold ideas, but a moderate, straight-arrow persona.
Wise and mature beyond his years, while stilll offering fresh perspective.
Can deliver a tough message but one infused with hope and good sense.
Smartest guy in the room, but not condescending; effortlessly connects the dots, drawing on astonishing breadth of knowledge, and boiling it all down into an accessible and sensible message.
To my knowledge, has never had to walk back a misstatement.
Has excellent judgment and can think on his feet.
Picks great people as staff.(another essential quality!)
Seems to get under MF45's skin. : )
Has unquestioned integrity.
Listens to people.
Good with children and dogs. (sounds like a weird criterion, but it's a key litmus test for me in judging character).
Has a ready wit.(essential survival skill!).
Will have the energy and stamina to serve 8 full years at full throttle*
* This last quality is to me essential! The next president will be facing what is already a national (and international) emergency.
This seems to me no time for a caretaker or "transitional" president.
___
Many of our candidates have many of the qualities I've listed above- we are indeed lucky to have a talented "bench"this time around; and (ok, with a few exceptions), I wouldn't mind any of them as the GE nominee. But to my mind, Buttigieg is just better than the rest.
He has ann uncanny way to getting right to the core of an issue and explaining it to voters, often on the spur of the moment, in an accessible way
and
he has a broader and deeper and more integrated vision than anyone. (And see above for the rest).
Most of our candidates are excellent; but, for me, Pete is the man of the hour. Every time I hear him speak, I just hear a president.
OK, infomercial over.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Aaron Pereira
(383 posts)I'd hate to see him pushed out over his age and that seems to be a developing line of argument against him now. Maybe if he came out and said he would only be a one term president it might take the pressure off.
He's not my first choice but I think he deserves some room here.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
flamingdem
(39,335 posts)he's running his campaign with intelligence.
A PROVEN PATRIOT
So get used to it:
PRESIDENT JOE BIDEN!!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
samnsara
(17,658 posts)....will be ok...my blood pressure would return to normal..I would sleep at night.. I would no longer have nausea after my first cup of coffee..my stomach WOULDNT HURT!! Not only do I feel he is going to metaphorically heal America....he is going to actually,physically heal all of us. I need that healing! We cant let voters 'buttery males' another potential savior of Democracy. This may be it...and Im kinda scared.
and yes I would be perfectly fine with a big ol bear hug from joe!!!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
trof
(54,256 posts)Wow.
Interesting to read all the comments.
I guess it pisses a lot of folks off when you express an opinion in this forum.
I'll stick to GD in the future.
See you at the polls.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Turin_C3PO
(14,131 posts)You remember 2004, 2008, and 2016. This thread is downright civil and calm compared to 2016, especially.
You certainly do have a right to your opinion and I respect it, although for me as a supporter its not his age but his misspeakings that have me a little nervous. Im voting for him in the primary because I like his foreign policy experience and believe he, at the moment at least, is the most electable.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
highplainsdem
(49,121 posts)You're also getting a lot of agreement from DUers who don't like Biden -- who's standing between their favorites and the nomination -- but it's both hilarious and hypocritical that much of the agreement with your argument that Biden is "too old" is coming from people whose primary preference is another of the three candidates in their 70s.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
trof
(54,256 posts)Here's a slam:
Joe Biden is a doddering drooler way past his sell by date.
He has to have his campaign manager buy his Depends.
Now THAT'S a slam.
I merely pointed out that, in my humble opinion, he might be a bit past his prime and that other candidates might be more capable.
I was kind.
And this is an opinion forum.
So...you get to have one TOO!
But what you don't get is to characterize my post as something that it isn't.
Thank you.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
highplainsdem
(49,121 posts)"Maybe his gaffes seem a bit endearing (to some), but I guarantee it will get worse" is a slam.
Insisting he's too old is a slam.
Yes, it's your opinion. It's still a slam. It wasn't "kind."
But thank you for your "concern" about him.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
colorado_ufo
(5,743 posts)Warren has enough, and Biden has it in spades.
Love Obama, but if these were the circumstances and he was running for the first time, I would choose experience even over his brilliant potential.
Biden knows Washington and he has limitless connections. He can actually be the one to staff the Cabinet and the whole administration with "the best people." Warren also knows Washington and has great plans. Sanders has experience, but he remains an Independent at heart (in my opinion).
The only way to get experience of this level with with age and time.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
samnsara
(17,658 posts)...thats someone i want on MY side! He makes me feel safe.. gawd i need that.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
EveHammond13
(2,855 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
doc03
(35,442 posts)Biden's case if he makes a gaff but Trump can outright lie 12000 times.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Maine-i-acs
(1,501 posts)RIGHT???
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
trof
(54,256 posts)I will not even have to hold my nose.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Maine-i-acs
(1,501 posts)I was the same with Hillary, not my first choice, still voted for her
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Gothmog
(145,839 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
This latest Times piece says a lot.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
nini
(16,672 posts)And many of us are ok with that experience.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden