Democratic Primaries
Related: About this forumFor all the Dems whose ego won't let them run for Senate.
Yes, you can do really good things by defeating trump.
But we would be better off with a Democratic Senate and House and trump in the White House than with a Dem president and a republican Senate. A Democratic president could stop the jaw-dropping insanity, but there will be no judges or legislation passed as long as the republicans control the Senate.
What these guys are seeing is that when trump is defeated, if they aren't the new president, their presidential aspirations are over. It's now or never for them. So... country be damned.
We need the Senate. Even if the orange jerk is still in the White House, he could be stopped from most of his shit. Without the senate, nothing even remotely progressive is going to happen for four years. And the judge situation will only become worse.
That's why my money and time will go the Democratic congressional candidates and Democratic state candidates.
Yes, we can win the presidency. Yes, we should win the White House. But we lose any hope of fixing the mess without the Senate.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
msongs
(67,544 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
jcgoldie
(11,674 posts)The executive and legislative branches are designed to be equal... (even though recent events lead one to doubt that in some ways)... half the legislature and complete control of the executive > just controlling one branch. Moreover the meaning and danger of a an amoral douchebag like Trump being seen as the leader of the free world is more destructive to America than Moscow Mitch obstructing in the Senate.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Control-Z
(15,682 posts)Moscow Mitch gave us the disgusting right wing Supremes. That screws us for years to come. He could make it even worse.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Not if the president is a Democrat??? Which was the choice which was posed.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Jakes Progress
(11,125 posts)will nominate a decent candidate to the SC and this time mitchy will just roll over? You don't seem to remember Merrick Garland.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
jcgoldie
(11,674 posts)It was an either-or proposition... you get the presidency or the senate... which do you choose? the supreme court is problematic without both. Holding the senate but not the executive does not help you nominate decent judges.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Jakes Progress
(11,125 posts)you can enact legislation, override vetoes, make republicans show their colors by making them vote. Most importantly, you can impeach and remove the president. (And remove the crooked VP that takes his place giving us President Pelosi and the host of honorable judges she would nominate.)
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
jcgoldie
(11,674 posts)We'd need to take 67 senate seats correct? I do not think this is realistic given the number of red states and the current level of political division.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Jakes Progress
(11,125 posts)Four years of exactly what we have now? Four years?
The point of the OP was that we needed the Senate. I think it is highly likely that we win the executive office. More likely if we don't have our best and brightest slugging it out between themselves, creating little pockets of resentment and frustration. If 15 or 16 of those running for ego would run for Senate or state office instead of clogging up the campaign with bickering and inane gotcha's, we would have a better chance at the Senate. If those ran for Senate, we would also have a better chance at the WH.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
jcgoldie
(11,674 posts)Thats what I responded to.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Jakes Progress
(11,125 posts)that trump can't do as much damage without mitch in the Senate as mitch can do without trump in the WH.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Jakes Progress
(11,125 posts)No nominee for the SC by Warren/Biden/Harris or whoever will ever make it to the Bench. No Democratic nominated district or appellate court judges will be approved. No gun control laws will ever pass. No immigration reform will ever be voted on. No extension of Obamacare, let alone single payer will ever see a vote.
With the House and Senate, Democrats can investigate and actually impeach the orange buffoon. We can put sanctions back on Russia.
Without the Senate and the House, nothing meaningful can be done by the most dedicated of Democratic presidents. I am on record as supporting Warren, but if her seat was in play, it would be the height of narcissism to give it up so that she could get to be a figurehead president. I feel that way about any of the Senators running for president. And a dozen of our best chances for winning the Senate or Statehouses are chasing that dream. A little sacrifice is called for.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
jcgoldie
(11,674 posts)Then what? Mike Pence magically nominates acceptable judges? I dont see how the Supreme Court is the decisive factor in this theoretical exercise.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Jakes Progress
(11,125 posts)It is only one of the many reasons capturing the Senate is so important. If trump is impeachable, the pence is likewise guilty. I believe President Pelosi will nominate very good candidates for judgeships.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
namahage
(1,157 posts)The other Democratic senators running for president Kamala Harris (Calif.), Amy Klobuchar (Minn.), Cory Booker (N.J.), Kirsten Gillibrand (N.Y.) and Michael Bennet (Colo.) all hail from states with sitting Democratic governors.
Then theres the delay: Under Massachusetts state law, the governor must call for a special election 145 to 160 days after the vacancy which means a Democrat, if he or she wins the special election, might not claim the Senate seat until months after a Warren presidency begins.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
calimary
(81,645 posts)Take Moscow Mitchs toys away! (Or was that Mass Murder Mitch?)
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
BlueMTexpat
(15,379 posts)"Mass Murder Moscow Mitch.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
calimary
(81,645 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Merlot
(9,696 posts)and it's treated them well, perhaps* it's time to give back.
*"Perhaps" is to mild a word. I was trying to be nice. I don't want to go on a rant about how someone who just "doesn't want to be a senator" for what ever reason, lifestyle inconvienience, loss of status, to much work is selling us out. I don't wan't to lecture them on how much they need to put the good of the country ahead of themselves for a while. And I definatly don't want to call them selfish or greedy. And I'm not looking at you, Steve Bullock.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
elocs
(22,673 posts)believing only they have the answers.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Jakes Progress
(11,125 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Garrett78
(10,721 posts)I can see why, beyond just ego, a decent person wouldn't want any part of that.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
pinkstarburst
(1,329 posts)every day. Immigrants mow lawns and pick fruit when it's 110 degrees outside. Teachers and nurses and doctors pass up cushier positions to work in neighborhoods that desperately need teachers and nurses and doctors. Firefighters and other first responders put themselves in harm's way every single time they clock in.
So while I appreciate it's their choice and I would never wish something on another human being that would make them truly miserable... when I read some of these articles where multiple (awesome!) senate candidates have said "I just have more of an executive mind" or whatever justification pales in the face of women being stripped of their rights, kindergartners returning to school over the next few weeks to active shooter drills in their classrooms, and our country descending further into a cruel, intolerant place... I'm hoping we're going to start seeing some heroes step up.
I also worry a big piece of it is too many potentially great candidates believe they will be picked for vice president.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Garrett78
(10,721 posts)And the Senate, frankly, should be abolished. Just as the late John Dingell argued.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Video Drone
(75 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
DrToast
(6,414 posts)Whoops...you probably didnt mean that about YOUR candidate.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Bradshaw3
(7,560 posts)Warren's seat will come up for a special election shoertly after she is sworn in so the Dems won't lose it.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
DrToast
(6,414 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Bradshaw3
(7,560 posts)So they have different rules for this kind of thing. Again, there will be special election for her seat should she win. Facts can be your friend if you accept them.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
DrToast
(6,414 posts)Scott Brown.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Jakes Progress
(11,125 posts)I have picked Warren because I think she would be the best of the candidate to be president. If her winning the presidency at the expense of the Senate is the question, she should reconsider. This year is a bad time for Democratic senators to run for president. I'm not wed to any candidate; I just think Senator Warren is the best Democrat for he job.
One of the problems with two dozen candidates is that it breeds little pockets of pique and resentment for other wonderful Democrats. I see people on this forum attacking really good Democrats just in the name of another Democrat. That is counterproductive.
This is not 1980. Or 2008. Or even 2016. We have a mad man soviet agent in the White House. All hands on deck.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Skittles
(153,428 posts)total nonsense
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Jakes Progress
(11,125 posts)Find a president who ran a second time after 8 years of his party's administration. I've tried, but I'm too tired to look it up. There may be one, but we have 20 that would have to try.
Not nonsense. History and numbers.
As for "your" candidate. He would be in a stronger position 8 years from now to have served as a Senator. I spent lot of money and time campaigning for Beto in the last election. I think he could turn Texas blue and get rid of a truly nasty Texas roadie. cornyn is not as disliked as cruz, but he does a lot more damage.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Skittles
(153,428 posts)instead of advising what other candidates should do
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Jakes Progress
(11,125 posts)instead of telling other DUers what they should think and do.
Quite rude.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Skittles
(153,428 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Jakes Progress
(11,125 posts)Pointless and off the subject as it was, you got it.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Garrett78
(10,721 posts)Neither O'Rourke nor Castro would be likely to win against Cornyn.
Bullock and Hickenlooper, though, should definitely run for Senate.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
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