Re Biden saying Trump's worse than we expected: HRC, Sept. 2017: He's "even worse than I thought he

[highplainsdem]

would be."


I wanted to post this because some of the people slamming Biden for saying Trump has turned out to be worse than we expected have been citing Hillary Clinton, who warned us against Trump, as proof that people knew that Trump would be this bad (and in some cases those Biden critics are slamming him for being naive or blind).

From The Hill, 9/23/17:

https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/352042-clinton-on-trump-presidency-hes-been-even-worse-than-i-thought



MSNBC tweet with video:

Link to tweet

[Cha]

1. THANK YOU! DAMN.. Some Sanity..

Oh the OutRage!

Someone already posted.. that they bet if Hillary were asked she would say he's worse than I thought.. well, here it is!

and in some cases those Biden critics are slamming him for being naive or blind).

.. and "privileged"! Of all things.. damn!

[WhiskeyGrinder]

2. Sure, people of a certain class and background generally don't expect things to get as bad as they

could. The system works for them, so in their mind, the system works; the checks and balances will hold the center.

[PatrickforO]

5. That's what I had hoped, and I'm only privileged in the sense I'm a white male.

But I'm also a member of that vanishing species - the American middle class.

So, I merely hoped, when Trump was elected, that things wouldn't get too much worse.

But they have. For everyone.

[Kind of Blue]

11. Exactly right. Anyone who cannot connect his call for the execution of DNA-exonerated

Central Park Five and insistence of their guilt in a newspaper, or mocking the mother of a fallen Muslim soldier, or saying to cheers that he would not lose support if he shot someone on 5th Avenue was blissfully oblivious of the depths 45 could sink.

[Cha]

13. Hillary Clinton on trump: "He's been even worse than I thought he would be"

Hillary said that in 2017.. trump has gotten exponentially worse since then.

There was no "blissfully" about it.

We knew trump was extremely bad but as highplainsdem pointed out..

highplainsdem (21,310 posts)

15. Even here, Shred, we've had countless posts saying "just when you think Trump can't get any worse"

or "just when you think Trump can't go any lower" -- not to mention all the "WTF???!!!" posts -- as new outrages come to light.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1287&pid=210705

[Kind of Blue]

14. Cha, I'm speaking directly from my background so please stop negating that

by bringing up white people who think like you and have no direct experience or care to know anything of the New Jim Crow to the rise of BLM to polls taken of AAs before the election to the ridiculous post-racial society.

And even teachers in so many articles after his election saying just this "I knew as we sat down for our morning meeting today that more than anything I needed to create a space for them to process Donald Trump’s election. I knew that it was important for me to step back, listen, and provide comfort and assurance as much as possible."

Thank goodness I bookmarked this article showing Even Our Children Knew.

https://brightthemag.com/hes-going-to-send-all-the-black-people-back-to-africa-f1cfe304b76d

[cwydro]

17. I'm white and not poor.

I thought he’d be a disaster, and he is.

[Cha]

23. Yes, we knew it would

be extremely bad.. but it 's Way Worse.. like Hillary said.

[cwydro]

24. I actually thought shitgibbon would have us in a war by now.

All that being said, I don’t know why or how anyone could attack Biden for his opinion.

There’s absolutely nothing wrong with what he said. Seems to me some are just twisting it to fit whatever agenda they might have.

Pointless, not to mention self defeating, to attack a good Democrat over a simple statement.

[Cha]

25. Yes, a whole

lot of twisting going on.. agenda driven.. exactly right.

Mahalo, cwydro

[cwydro]

26. Back atcha.

Primary time here can be so disillusioning. Smh.

[Cha]

22. This has nothing to do with

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"class" and "privilege" that you're spreading around.

I'm poor and have been through fucking hell, like a lot of other people, with trump in the WH.. But he's worse than we even imagined.

Biden is right.

[Cha]

3. Hillary said this in 2017.. We can imagine

what she's thinking NOW.

[PatrickforO]

4. I don't even get how Biden, or Clinton, or anyone else can possibly be

criticized in any way for saying Trump is 'worse than expected.' Not a fair basis on which to criticize Biden at all.

[Kind of Blue]

16. HRC said he's worse than she expected. The contention is Biden saying,

“I don't think anybody thought he would be as bad as he is.” And that's simply not true.

[PatrickforO]

20. Oh. Gosh, I think that's kind of a tempest in a teapot.

I mean, we have a dirt-bag in the White House who committed obstruction of justice on at least one occasion and witness tampering on at least one occasion. He is a traitor, pathological liar, eminently unfit for office and to my mind guilty of massive crimes against humanity with these concentration camps.

This 'controversy' seems a minor splitting of a very minor hair. I think Biden should just ignore it because it is completely outside the pale of relevance. I know the media and some r/w trolls, and even, unfortunately, surrogates for our candidates might TRY and make it a big deal, but it isn't.

Bottom line - it doesn't change my generally OK opinion of Biden at all. He's not my number one candidate, but you know what? If he is our nominee I will be fighting for him to win the election tooth and nail. And I will vote - straight blue, right down the ticket. Republicans do not deserve to stay in power at all - not since they've sold their collective soul to Trump.

Trump is a monster.

Biden would be fine.

[Kind of Blue]

21. Oh, Biden can do whatever he wants with the criticism. Nor was I asking whether

this changes your mind or not. Your choice of candidate is irrelevant to the point of the OP that I answered directly as well as your comment.

Once again, Biden's statement is simply untrue.

[ananda]

6. Biden is right.

And ... MF45 is worse because there are no checks
or controls on his behavior, criminality, and treason.

[Skya Rhen]

7. Critics... crickets....

[Cha]

8. lol.. yeah, they'd

rather be on the outraged threads.

[dalton99a]

9. We now know there is no bottom to the depravity and criminal behavior.

There is nothing but evil and greed in the monster.

Even Republicans knew Trump was bad and called him every name in the book during the primaries. (And then they nominated him to be president.)

[Cha]

10. KICK!

[loyalsister]

12. He's not the one who has been worse than I expected

Congress and republicans are worse than I could have imagined in their complicity.
They have the power to put him in check and they refuse. His cruelty and dishonesty thrive only because they let it.
There is no good reason to trust them to climb out of the mud they crawled into with him.

[peggysue2]

15. Is this the outrage of the day??

The elves need to start working harder because this complaint is just plain lame, a nothingburger of a nothingburger.

Yes, we all knew Trump was bad but the ongoing horror and craziness evokes continuous O.M.G.'s, WTF and can-you-believe-this OP's EVERY SINGLE DAY.

These empty accusations and attacks are just that: Empty. And if we're going to chide Joe Biden for his statement then all members of DU need their knuckles rapped raw.

Dumb and Dumber!

[highplainsdem]

18. Apparently, yes, this attack on Biden is the faux outrage of the day.

[DesertRat]

19. Many of us knew he'd be a disaster

And daily he keeps getting worse.

[Cha]

27. Hillary said he's Even Worse than she thought

he would be and this was in 2017.. can imagine what Hillary is thinking about it now