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Time to stop trashing Biden over the Hyde Amendment (Original Post) Vidal Jun 2019 OP
You are correct watoos Jun 2019 #1
I agree! I hoped Joe WOULD flip-flop & withdraw his support for the Hyde Amendment...I'm glad he did InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2019 #31
Why? Because you're "glad Biden is standing up for what he believes" ?? mtnsnake Jun 2019 #2
Keep rubbing it in Vidal Jun 2019 #6
Jekyll and Hyde :) mtnsnake Jun 2019 #11
Biden won't allow this issue to mess up his winning 2020 campaign. democratisphere Jun 2019 #30
It is but let the dogs bark. ucrdem Jun 2019 #3
Thank Goodness Biden listened! Cha Jun 2019 #9
You did a good deed Cha! ucrdem Jun 2019 #12
I was part of the Cha Jun 2019 #14
"Dogs" fighting over the scraps they dig up. LakeArenal Jun 2019 #29
i agree... i was actually planning on donating to all the candidates...except those.. samnsara Jun 2019 #4
Great point Vidal Jun 2019 #7
Criticizing is not "trashing" Boomer Jun 2019 #5
Post removed Post removed Jun 2019 #8
Prove to us all BlueMTexpat Jun 2019 #13
Disgusting RandiFan1290 Jun 2019 #16
Exactly. eom BlueMTexpat Jun 2019 #19
See why you're name is Boomer... BOOOOOOOOMMM!! Nailed it again!! InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2019 #32
What about Anita? erlewyne Jun 2019 #10
Not a good thing... but, prolly not a "deal breaker" either. InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2019 #33
How many times should he apologize to her? BannonsLiver Jun 2019 #46
He hasn't yet. erlewyne Jun 2019 #47
Yes, he has. BannonsLiver Jun 2019 #48
Trump said he was exonerated erlewyne Jun 2019 #59
One of them is correct. BannonsLiver Jun 2019 #60
Nice Biden-type answer erlewyne Jun 2019 #61
Call it whatever you want. BannonsLiver Jun 2019 #62
You know Butterflylady Jun 2019 #51
Because it was never a Biden vs. Hill matter at the time. All of this, including her anger, is a emmaverybo Jun 2019 #55
She was a typical victim erlewyne Jun 2019 #63
you pretty much are inviting people to trash him with these threads you keep making JI7 Jun 2019 #15
I think they are finished now RandiFan1290 Jun 2019 #18
That valid concern never stopped anyone from posting threads that invited people to trash Bernie!! InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2019 #34
Time to stop ignoring other candidates over the false assumption that Biden is the "safe" bet Indygram Jun 2019 #17
Well said. shanny Jun 2019 #21
+1 Celerity Jun 2019 #22
Right on the money Indy... as usual!! But, you still have to give Joe credit... InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2019 #35
Yes, I'm glad he reversed course. I'm just unimpressed and disappointed that he didn't know better Indygram Jun 2019 #38
I hear ya... feel the exact same way. InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2019 #39
*cough* Dennis Donovan Jun 2019 #20
He was pretty obvious. n/t demmiblue Jun 2019 #27
Yup! Dennis Donovan Jun 2019 #28
you are correct quickesst Jun 2019 #23
Time to stop trashing Biden PERIOD. LibFarmer Jun 2019 #24
Am I to understand that any criticism is unacceptable? brooklynite Jun 2019 #25
Apparently... Joe's political advisors need to be replaced with new ones as soon as possible InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2019 #40
No harm in clarifying a position LibFarmer Jun 2019 #42
Agreed, Biden's a known quantity...progressive tho? Somewhat, but certainly not THE most progressive InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2019 #36
That is the most progressive that is electable LibFarmer Jun 2019 #43
I don't agree, but, can see why one might think that. InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2019 #45
Self-inflicted wound shanny Jun 2019 #26
The responsibility clearly lies with the candidate... I expect Biden has learned from this mistake InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2019 #37
It is a minor scratch - it will be gone in 2 days LibFarmer Jun 2019 #44
I can't resist. shanny Jun 2019 #49
Biden is notorious for sinking his own campaigns. Voltaire2 Jun 2019 #54
Is that an order? Honeycombe8 Jun 2019 #41
I think that poster has left the building lol. cwydro Jun 2019 #57
LOL! nt Honeycombe8 Jun 2019 #58
There's a difference between personal assessments and bashing loyalsister Jun 2019 #50
Why? dchill Jun 2019 #52
agreed Gothmog Jun 2019 #53
Yep Hekate Jun 2019 #56
 

watoos

(7,142 posts)
1. You are correct
Fri Jun 7, 2019, 06:29 AM
Jun 2019

now that he has done a 180 on it.

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InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,094 posts)
31. I agree! I hoped Joe WOULD flip-flop & withdraw his support for the Hyde Amendment...I'm glad he did
Fri Jun 7, 2019, 09:17 AM
Jun 2019

Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!
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mtnsnake

(22,236 posts)
2. Why? Because you're "glad Biden is standing up for what he believes" ??
Fri Jun 7, 2019, 06:31 AM
Jun 2019

LOL!!!

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Vidal

(642 posts)
6. Keep rubbing it in
Fri Jun 7, 2019, 06:48 AM
Jun 2019

mtnsnake, if it makes you feel better!

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mtnsnake

(22,236 posts)
11. Jekyll and Hyde :)
Fri Jun 7, 2019, 06:53 AM
Jun 2019
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democratisphere

(17,235 posts)
30. Biden won't allow this issue to mess up his winning 2020 campaign.
Fri Jun 7, 2019, 08:43 AM
Jun 2019

The other prospective candidates should rethink what they say and do. Attacks could sink our ship.

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ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
3. It is but let the dogs bark.
Fri Jun 7, 2019, 06:32 AM
Jun 2019

Joe did the right thing the right way at the right time. The rest is sour grapes and other bad things I won't mention.

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Cha

(294,544 posts)
9. Thank Goodness Biden listened!
Fri Jun 7, 2019, 06:50 AM
Jun 2019

I tweeted this to Cedric Richmond this morning

I'm for Biden now.. but please tell him that he shouldn't be basing political decisions on "religion". Separation of Church and State. Thank you
.
When I came back after going out for a run I saw this tweet..



You can imagine how much I appreciated it!


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ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
12. You did a good deed Cha!
Fri Jun 7, 2019, 06:54 AM
Jun 2019

A very good deed indeed!!



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Cha

(294,544 posts)
14. I was part of the
Fri Jun 7, 2019, 07:02 AM
Jun 2019

blowback.. barely!

Mahalo, ucr! U2





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LakeArenal

(28,589 posts)
29. "Dogs" fighting over the scraps they dig up.
Fri Jun 7, 2019, 08:41 AM
Jun 2019

While the big dog still runs way ahead of the pack.

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samnsara

(17,474 posts)
4. i agree... i was actually planning on donating to all the candidates...except those..
Fri Jun 7, 2019, 06:38 AM
Jun 2019

..who trash other candidates. I WILL vote for the Dem nom however. Would be nice to hear others reaffirm that as well...instead of trash talk. Maybe after someone trashes another dem candidate we (they) could follow up with the affirmation that we/the/I WILL vote for the Dem nom who/m-ever he/she is. Would make the discussion a little more palatable if we all knew that in the end we still have ONE common goal.

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Vidal

(642 posts)
7. Great point
Fri Jun 7, 2019, 06:48 AM
Jun 2019

i totally agree with you.

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Boomer

(4,153 posts)
5. Criticizing is not "trashing"
Fri Jun 7, 2019, 06:45 AM
Jun 2019

Every candidate running for president is going to be subject to criticism, some of it quite sharp. This is the POINT of the primary -- to outline differences and understand positions.

I'm not sure which bothers me more: Biden's original stance or his immediate 180-degree. There is a reason Biden was known for political gaffes before the Golden 8 Years in the White House. His flip-flopping on the Hyde Amendment reminds me exactly why I don't think he can last the distance until the 2020 election. He has always been prone to impulsive actions and flashes of poor judgment.

Over the course of the next year, I expect other Dem candidates to cross the line to poll higher than Trump. Biden is not going to be our only alternative to Trump.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden

Response to Boomer (Reply #5)

 

BlueMTexpat

(15,327 posts)
13. Prove to us all
Fri Jun 7, 2019, 07:01 AM
Jun 2019

that she has NO NA heritage. Otherwise you are not worth taking seriously.when you make statements like that.

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RandiFan1290

(6,199 posts)
16. Disgusting
Fri Jun 7, 2019, 07:18 AM
Jun 2019

So sad to see people using right wing talking points to attack a Democratic Senator.

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InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,094 posts)
32. See why you're name is Boomer... BOOOOOOOOMMM!! Nailed it again!!
Fri Jun 7, 2019, 09:21 AM
Jun 2019

Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!
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InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,094 posts)
33. Not a good thing... but, prolly not a "deal breaker" either.
Fri Jun 7, 2019, 09:22 AM
Jun 2019

Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!
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Undecided
 

BannonsLiver

(16,038 posts)
46. How many times should he apologize to her?
Fri Jun 7, 2019, 10:20 AM
Jun 2019

He’s done so already. She didn’t accept it. Time for everyone to move on, it would seem.

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erlewyne

(1,115 posts)
47. He hasn't yet.
Fri Jun 7, 2019, 10:31 AM
Jun 2019

Biden tries to stay out of site and out of mind. A classical yes man.
Kissy kissy kissy.

His apology was unsatisfactory. Reminds me of the typical republican ...
I'll kiss your ass if you kiss mine. Anita will not kiss his ass.

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BannonsLiver

(16,038 posts)
48. Yes, he has.
Fri Jun 7, 2019, 10:32 AM
Jun 2019

What you want is more melodrama over the issue. Bad news. You’re not going to get it.

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erlewyne

(1,115 posts)
59. Trump said he was exonerated
Fri Jun 7, 2019, 07:08 PM
Jun 2019

and Biden said he apologized. Go figure.

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BannonsLiver

(16,038 posts)
60. One of them is correct.
Fri Jun 7, 2019, 07:11 PM
Jun 2019
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erlewyne

(1,115 posts)
61. Nice Biden-type answer
Fri Jun 7, 2019, 07:24 PM
Jun 2019

I call kissy.

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BannonsLiver

(16,038 posts)
62. Call it whatever you want.
Fri Jun 7, 2019, 07:26 PM
Jun 2019

I’m not losing any sleep over your hatred of Biden. It’s really not that relevant, interesting or original.

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Butterflylady

(3,483 posts)
51. You know
Fri Jun 7, 2019, 03:02 PM
Jun 2019

If she was so upset about his attitude, why the hell didn't she confront him as soon as it happened. I don't know about anyone else, but if that happened to me he would have known it from the start. Not wait till later on then say how it wasn't right how I was treated. I don't buy her indignation.

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emmaverybo

(8,144 posts)
55. Because it was never a Biden vs. Hill matter at the time. All of this, including her anger, is a
Fri Jun 7, 2019, 03:37 PM
Jun 2019

bad deconstruct job.
Biden got the hearing for her. He voted against Thomas. He, among the Dems on
committee, at least got a few jabs in. Grassley. Spector, Simpson, and Heflin were the adversarial ones and it was Heflin who called her a delusional fantasist.
Biden has always championed her credibility and her courage.
The Republicans had played racial politics with Dems in nominating second or third rate Thomas, an extremist conservative, to replace Thurgood Marshall, a civil rights legend. Thomas fell right in with their clever plot to put Dems in a bind. He cowed the committee Dems when he called the proceedings a “high tech lynching.”
So Edward Kennedy was noticeably subdued.Biden did get some jabs in.
But he could not be Hill’s personal defense attorney at a hearing he was hard-pressed to get for her to confront Thomas on a ten years’ past complaint of verbal sexual harassment.
Biden has properly apologized for the process. The process for handling non-criminal sex abuse
charges is a horrendous one as we have seen only recently. Biden did not create it.
The fact that Hill recently accused a Biden of holding up the #MeToo movement by 20 years tells me her misplaced bitterness has affected her judgment or she has a political agenda. Ironically, she has had nothing to say about Thomas’s misappropriation of racial history to his own purpose or
the cynical use Republicans made of Thomas, who would be only the second Black American to go on to the Supreme Court.
She, as a Black woman, was neatly sacrificed. And in that time, many did think Thomas had a point. Very divisive proceeding.
Biden has taken on more responsibility than he should for a Republican inspired fiasco and the fall-out from her having been wounded in it.




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erlewyne

(1,115 posts)
63. She was a typical victim
Fri Jun 7, 2019, 07:35 PM
Jun 2019

of our sleaze. She will live in infamy and Thomas
will be go down in history as a bigot.

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JI7

(89,083 posts)
15. you pretty much are inviting people to trash him with these threads you keep making
Fri Jun 7, 2019, 07:10 AM
Jun 2019
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RandiFan1290

(6,199 posts)
18. I think they are finished now
Fri Jun 7, 2019, 07:20 AM
Jun 2019
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InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,094 posts)
34. That valid concern never stopped anyone from posting threads that invited people to trash Bernie!!
Fri Jun 7, 2019, 09:32 AM
Jun 2019

Bernie deserves dignity and respect... not trashing.


Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

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Indygram

(2,113 posts)
17. Time to stop ignoring other candidates over the false assumption that Biden is the "safe" bet
Fri Jun 7, 2019, 07:20 AM
Jun 2019

The fact that Biden still even supported the Hyde Amendment at this time shows a complete and total lack of judgement and a proclivity towards being out of touch and tone deaf. If he were actually listening to people and had his finger on the pulse of where people stand he NEVER would have doubled down on supporting it. This will not be the last time he does this and frankly, I just don't trust his judgement after this. If he were the right candidate no one would have had to tell him he was on the WRONG side of things.

Yes, it's good that he changed his mind but he did NOT change it for the right reason. He changed it because he HAD to for political expediency, NOT because it was what he truly believed. That's just not good enough for me.

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InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,094 posts)
35. Right on the money Indy... as usual!! But, you still have to give Joe credit...
Fri Jun 7, 2019, 09:33 AM
Jun 2019

even if it's for making a smart political decision. I'm actually glad he's finally on board with the rest of the Democratic field of candidates. Surprised it took him that long, after recently reaffirming his support for the Hyde Amendment. But, it WAS the right thing to do!!


Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

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Indygram

(2,113 posts)
38. Yes, I'm glad he reversed course. I'm just unimpressed and disappointed that he didn't know better
Fri Jun 7, 2019, 09:42 AM
Jun 2019

to begin with.

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InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,094 posts)
39. I hear ya... feel the exact same way.
Fri Jun 7, 2019, 09:47 AM
Jun 2019

Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!
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Undecided
 

demmiblue

(36,660 posts)
27. He was pretty obvious. n/t
Fri Jun 7, 2019, 08:31 AM
Jun 2019
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quickesst

(6,278 posts)
23. you are correct
Fri Jun 7, 2019, 08:03 AM
Jun 2019

For some of Biden's opponents supporters, this is a very disappointing turn of events. Joe Biden has effectively neutralized one of his opponents supporters main talking points, just as he has knocked down most all of the criticism thrown at him. No one should be surprised that for some people, this would always be a no-win situation for Joe Biden. Fortunately for the country, they are in the minority which is so small as to have to have zero affect on his campaign. If any of his opponents publicly publicly echo this minority's sentiments, it will only hurt their campaign, and provide an extra boost to Biden's own campaign. Not that he really needs it.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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LibFarmer

(772 posts)
24. Time to stop trashing Biden PERIOD.
Fri Jun 7, 2019, 08:18 AM
Jun 2019

He is a known quantity - he has been a progressive senator and a vice president to one of the most progressive presidents.

Nit-picking will not help other candidates.

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brooklynite

(93,154 posts)
25. Am I to understand that any criticism is unacceptable?
Fri Jun 7, 2019, 08:24 AM
Jun 2019

FWIW, my concern was not with his position (former or current), but with the sloppy way his campaign team handled the matter. Reportedly his staff had no idea what he would say as late as yesterday afternoon.

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InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,094 posts)
40. Apparently... Joe's political advisors need to be replaced with new ones as soon as possible
Fri Jun 7, 2019, 09:51 AM
Jun 2019

for letting this happen.


Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

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LibFarmer

(772 posts)
42. No harm in clarifying a position
Fri Jun 7, 2019, 09:56 AM
Jun 2019

It was a tiny difference between "I won't touch the Hyde amendment because it will not be repealed" to "it should be repealed and I'd support such a repeal."

Opponents of Biden are making a very big deal out of a small issue. They forget that Biden has voted against the Hyde amendment and voted to allow it under the same circumstances as many other candidates have.

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InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,094 posts)
36. Agreed, Biden's a known quantity...progressive tho? Somewhat, but certainly not THE most progressive
Fri Jun 7, 2019, 09:39 AM
Jun 2019

as he tried to claim.


Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

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LibFarmer

(772 posts)
43. That is the most progressive that is electable
Fri Jun 7, 2019, 09:57 AM
Jun 2019

Anything way out in the left field will lose 45 states in the GE

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InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,094 posts)
45. I don't agree, but, can see why one might think that.
Fri Jun 7, 2019, 09:59 AM
Jun 2019

Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!
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shanny

(6,709 posts)
26. Self-inflicted wound
Fri Jun 7, 2019, 08:29 AM
Jun 2019

on his part...and others.

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InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,094 posts)
37. The responsibility clearly lies with the candidate... I expect Biden has learned from this mistake
Fri Jun 7, 2019, 09:42 AM
Jun 2019

and will do better to avoid them in the future.


Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

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LibFarmer

(772 posts)
44. It is a minor scratch - it will be gone in 2 days
Fri Jun 7, 2019, 09:58 AM
Jun 2019

The wound will be in opponents' poll numbers tanking for this perfunctory stunt.

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shanny

(6,709 posts)
49. I can't resist.
Fri Jun 7, 2019, 10:40 AM
Jun 2019
https://m.




Eta: yes, his opponents were clearly in the wrong.
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Voltaire2

(12,215 posts)
54. Biden is notorious for sinking his own campaigns.
Fri Jun 7, 2019, 03:32 PM
Jun 2019
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Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
41. Is that an order?
Fri Jun 7, 2019, 09:53 AM
Jun 2019

What one considers valid criticism, another considers "trashing."

I think it's valid to voice criticism over what is an unusual move by Biden. Changing in a few days the 40-year-stance about something, when he's in a Presidential race and finds out his stance would cost him votes among the base.

It's not that it's Biden. It's that a candidate actually did that. I've been around for a while and never seen such an obvious move before. Such a thing is going to be noticed and commented on and criticized or praised.

As for me, I take what politicians say with a grain of salt, when they're in the throes of a tough election process and trying to get support, votes, and donations. They're politicians. Their job is first and foremost to get votes. Without that, they're not in the game. Just look at the general thrust of their beliefs and stances overall, is what I do. Even if they state a firm stance on something, I know there may come a time when he finds an exception to it.

Example: While campaigning, Obama voiced a stance on attacking high drug prices. He attacked directly the provision in Medicare Part D that prohibits the federal govt from even negotiating drug prices. After Part D was passed, one of the sponsors of that provision/Part D quit Congress and went to work as a lobbyist for Big Pharma at a cushy salary. After getting elected, Obama ended up cutting a deal with that Senator, according to Huffington Post, that Pharma would cut $80B in costs on its own, and contribute $150M in tv ads that supported the ACA, in return for protecting the industry from Congressional efforts to cut drug prices. https://www.huffpost.com/entry/flashback-obama-promises_n_254833?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAANRStP_v9Fz9uDBrXKgM8XKMwwMYYDpvE1W3kNo7LtO9G0J4ic4T_jU5YcUYmHD5J-lkwgW40r6oSQoTYmwY4Qjza16MN4Jtfj8a9FP_ZWt5GKrWxAFIBUl6NxjtNACUqWG7l65EcHW2SUymgWGP6i1ygRgI7J-uu0DLHfZyY2Ol

I don't give that example as a criticism of Obama. I loved Obama and think he was one of the best Presidents America has ever had. But I use it to show that you can't hinge your approval of a candidate on a voiced position on one particular issue. Just a general direction. He wanted, generally, prices to go down, and he got some sort of promise from the industry to do that. He did not go after that provision that he railed against during his campaign. That's politics.

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cwydro

(51,308 posts)
57. I think that poster has left the building lol.
Fri Jun 7, 2019, 05:25 PM
Jun 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

loyalsister

(13,390 posts)
50. There's a difference between personal assessments and bashing
Fri Jun 7, 2019, 02:49 PM
Jun 2019

There is very little objective information at this point. IMO, there are records of historical and behaviors that are fair to criticize with a context of actual consequences or other measurable relevant dimensions, but speculation about motives and other subjective assessments are controversy inducing and especially unhelpful when presented as fact.

We're all going to decide for ourselves. Surely, we're mature enough to interpret each others opinions and criticisms as valid, and be able to discuss them without presuming that our beliefs are absolute truths.
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