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Joe BidenCongratulations to our presumptive Democratic nominee, Joe Biden!
 

Vidal

(642 posts)
Thu Jun 6, 2019, 06:28 AM Jun 2019

I'm glad Biden is standing up for what he believes -- it shows strength

His positions on abortion haven't always been popular but they always reflect his true beliefs.

Biden, for all his faults, has always been very transparent. We know where we stand with him, for better or for worse.

His posiitons on LGBTQ and the Green New Deal show he is a true progressive.

But growing up a strict Catholic has always made his abortion opinions very complex and difficult.

I do not agree with him but I respect his honesty.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
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I'm glad Biden is standing up for what he believes -- it shows strength (Original Post) Vidal Jun 2019 OP
Standing up for what is wrong shows strength? LOL mtnsnake Jun 2019 #1
I have replied to you because I thought the same exact thing Perseus Jun 2019 #21
I doubt DownriverDem Jun 2019 #40
EXACTLY! Chump cultists use this logic every single day. bullwinkle428 Jun 2019 #29
It's not wrong to him treestar Jun 2019 #72
Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 2019 #108
I am sorry Joe but times have changed, you will not be seen as honorable but as another draconian katmondoo Jun 2019 #2
By you. Not by Biden supporters. LakeArenal Jun 2019 #78
wow samnsara Jun 2019 #88
By you BannonsLiver Jun 2019 #93
You can't claim to be pro choice while denying madaboutharry Jun 2019 #3
It was the tone of the times. DownriverDem Jun 2019 #43
On June 5, 2019 Biden reasserted his commitment to the Hyde Amendment. madaboutharry Jun 2019 #53
didnt know that. He put his religious beliefs above public service AlexSFCA Jun 2019 #57
He's not guilty of putting his religious beliefs above public service treestar Jun 2019 #73
You probably also do not know Catholic church leaders denounced Biden for his emmaverybo Jun 2019 #98
Biden Needs To Put Down The Bible DallasNE Jun 2019 #71
i am pretty sure he has already samnsara Jun 2019 #126
Shows he's out of step too shanny Jun 2019 #4
"They are our future, Biden is our past." Perseus Jun 2019 #23
Thank you. shanny Jun 2019 #26
And Biden represents DownriverDem Jun 2019 #44
Many Republicans want to beat Trump Vidal Jun 2019 #46
Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 2019 #109
That "quote of the day" is an old chestnut LakeArenal Jun 2019 #80
Nope. This is probably a deal breaker for me. Iris Jun 2019 #5
this one issue voting is what drives the trumpers to the polls too.... samnsara Jun 2019 #129
If you think a stance on wolves and a woman's right to make her own decisions about her health and Iris Jun 2019 #136
So his position is...? rgbecker Jun 2019 #6
none of this has to do with him being catholic and it's the shittiest excuse JI7 Jun 2019 #7
Funny how people think they are always right Vidal Jun 2019 #8
there is nothing right about making policy based on religious beliefs JI7 Jun 2019 #11
Fucking nailed it... SidDithers Jun 2019 #67
THANK YOU. Nay Jun 2019 #84
This exactly NRaleighLiberal Jun 2019 #115
Just like you do? Nt USALiberal Jun 2019 #20
Fuck that noise. MrsCoffee Jun 2019 #22
I agree with you - he has his own convictions, which is his right to have. Skya Rhen Jun 2019 #9
If you believe that you should praise the buffon and Stephen Miller for seperating families Perseus Jun 2019 #27
He does. shanny Jun 2019 #28
Post removed Post removed Jun 2019 #110
If you think the Violence Against Women Act was wrong yardwork Jun 2019 #112
One can claim any contravening position shows strength...not so sure, but, HONESTY yes, that's true. InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2019 #10
It is disqualifyingly wrong, but indeed he is welcome to continue to blow up his candidacy. Voltaire2 Jun 2019 #12
Current or past? zipplewrath Jun 2019 #13
His climate policy based on Arch Coal and Shell? Maggiemayhem Jun 2019 #58
"Believing in Hyde" is a garbage value. WhiskeyGrinder Jun 2019 #14
Being steadfastly wrong is not right. NRaleighLiberal Jun 2019 #15
+1 dalton99a Jun 2019 #25
Did you feel that way about Dubya with Iraq? He held his convictions. NRaleighLiberal Jun 2019 #16
Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 2019 #111
It's time that someone stood up to poor women and said "no!" jberryhill Jun 2019 #17
Strong? It's a popular position he holds. It is popular among RepubliCONS and Farmer-Rick Jun 2019 #18
Bullshit. MrsCoffee Jun 2019 #19
This. nt Laffy Kat Jun 2019 #81
If he's advocating the middle ground in the primary, will he move to the RIGHT in the general? dalton99a Jun 2019 #24
Very good, and disturbing, point. nt shanny Jun 2019 #30
Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act of 1994, H.R. 3355 Locrian Jun 2019 #31
After reading all the posts, if the original post was meant to sway people towards Biden? Perseus Jun 2019 #32
Fuck that. If Sanders had that position, he'd be crucified here. Cuthbert Allgood Jun 2019 #33
That's fine, but then he lives and dies by his own policies, abilities, and character marylandblue Jun 2019 #34
"I'm glad Biden stands up for a policy that hurts poor people and, disproportionately, BIPOC. It WhiskeyGrinder Jun 2019 #35
No. Turin_C3PO Jun 2019 #36
And that will make it all better? Hassin Bin Sober Jun 2019 #45
Yes, it would. Turin_C3PO Jun 2019 #50
by the way - UNREC. NRaleighLiberal Jun 2019 #37
His position on the Hyde Amendment has shifted Biden to a "hold your nose and vote for him" Tarc Jun 2019 #38
Funny. That's the way I feel about Harris. LakeArenal Jun 2019 #82
I wish you luck with your anti-choice candidate Tarc Jun 2019 #107
I wish you luck with your political opportunist. LakeArenal Jun 2019 #131
Pray tell, why do you think Senator Harris is a political opportunist? n/t demmiblue Jun 2019 #132
This is my last statement to you on this old thread. LakeArenal Jun 2019 #134
He recently said he's against marijuana legalization because it's "a gateway drug." Honeycombe8 Jun 2019 #39
My take on this thread is full speed ahead and damn the torpedos seems to be the theme. pazzyanne Jun 2019 #41
How is pointing out policy positions "vitriol"? (n/t) SMC22307 Jun 2019 #119
The use of anger in any "discussion" creates problems, does not solve them. pazzyanne Jun 2019 #121
My thanks to all of you commenters The Blue Flower Jun 2019 #42
That plus the "marijuana is a gateway drug" belief are deal breakers for me, too. nt Nay Jun 2019 #89
Convictions can also be hypocritical sop Jun 2019 #47
He is also smart LibFarmer Jun 2019 #48
"Scared of the leftward lurch"?? Really? In what universe? A simple overview of what Nay Jun 2019 #90
Saddled with? LibFarmer Jun 2019 #92
Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 2019 #114
Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 2019 #113
He is not doing it because of religious convictions LibFarmer Jun 2019 #49
Not sure which one is worse. Hassin Bin Sober Jun 2019 #51
Biden is running for POTUS LibFarmer Jun 2019 #52
"Would women make this small concession in order to protect Roe's sweeping liberties vis a vis a WhiskeyGrinder Jun 2019 #54
Right to public funding of abortions? treestar Jun 2019 #75
Respectfully Libfarmer, it isn't good politics. Telling poor women on Medicaid who have a severe still_one Jun 2019 #56
I agree with you LibFarmer Jun 2019 #68
More than just birth defects, but I don't want debate various reasons, just saying there are other still_one Jun 2019 #83
Joe will probably have a presser LibFarmer Jun 2019 #94
I hope so still_one Jun 2019 #100
"However, how many such cases are there?" WhiskeyGrinder Jun 2019 #86
Show me statistics of deaths caused by Hyde. nt LibFarmer Jun 2019 #95
Here's the deal. WhiskeyGrinder Jun 2019 #96
Anecdotal LibFarmer Jun 2019 #97
. WhiskeyGrinder Jun 2019 #99
Is that actually true? treestar Jun 2019 #76
The exceptions are rape, incest and life of the pregnant person. WhiskeyGrinder Jun 2019 #85
Don't know, but the exclusions they state are rape, incest, and life of the mother still_one Jun 2019 #91
+1 treestar Jun 2019 #74
Discrimination against poor women is not a strength. Admitting and recognizing you are wrong about still_one Jun 2019 #55
" standing up for what he believes" amuse bouche Jun 2019 #59
Joe, We Are A Secular Nation DallasNE Jun 2019 #103
Yeah, it's really strong for a man to stand up against the uteri of American women and girls Indygram Jun 2019 #60
I stopped posting here when I began to see the "Biden can touch any woman any way he wants!" posts Squinch Jun 2019 #61
+1. WhiskeyGrinder Jun 2019 #62
I don't care if he grew up a strict Catholic... SidDithers Jun 2019 #63
I was raised catholic but i think the abortion decision should be subjective, as Biden onetexan Jun 2019 #64
I was raised a Catholic, received a couple of degrees from a Jesuit university, sop Jun 2019 #79
Glad to know another Jesuit school alumnus is here onetexan Jun 2019 #106
No it doesn't obamanut2012 Jun 2019 #65
I disagree...I think it was just political calculus CanonRay Jun 2019 #66
I'm glad Mike Pence (the "decent guy") stands up for his beliefs too. BluesRunTheGame Jun 2019 #69
The Hyde Amendments Discriminates Against Poor Women, Women of Color, and Young Women and Girls dlk Jun 2019 #70
If supporters of the Hyde amendment showed that they are concerned about the Hyde Politicub Jun 2019 #77
its OK for a persons personal belief to be different than their policy..it shows they are for.. samnsara Jun 2019 #87
I don't respect his position loyalsister Jun 2019 #101
Biden agrees with you Vidal Jun 2019 #102
And yet Hyde defines which women should and should not have ready access to abortion loyalsister Jun 2019 #104
This is quite possibly the worst argument in support of Biden I have even seen on here. Celerity Jun 2019 #105
roflmaooooooo BAZINGA Celerity Jun 2019 #116
LOL, maybe self delete! nt USALiberal Jun 2019 #117
it probably won't happen Celerity Jun 2019 #122
Um. cwydro Jun 2019 #118
Yeah. Now the statement would have to be that changing his mind shows weakness, presumably. JudyM Jun 2019 #120
Lol. cwydro Jun 2019 #123
This thread didn't age well. Hassin Bin Sober Jun 2019 #124
Hey, Vidal, now that Biden doesn't stand up for what he believes, what say you now? mtnsnake Jun 2019 #125
I say he caved Vidal Jun 2019 #127
which was probably a smart move Vidal Jun 2019 #128
He can't say anything anymore (flagged for review). n/t demmiblue Jun 2019 #133
In 1974 or so, I made my first efforts for gay rights Jarqui Jun 2019 #130
Lulzd. Voltaire2 Jun 2019 #135
 

mtnsnake

(22,236 posts)
1. Standing up for what is wrong shows strength? LOL
Thu Jun 6, 2019, 06:36 AM
Jun 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Perseus

(4,341 posts)
21. I have replied to you because I thought the same exact thing
Thu Jun 6, 2019, 07:25 AM
Jun 2019

Biden may have his convictions, but that won't sway me to vote for him, on the contrary, I am staying away from him if his principles and beliefs do not line up with mine.

He can stand strong for his beliefs, but in my book that is not strength, it just shows that at least on that one topic he is on the wrong side.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

DownriverDem

(6,159 posts)
40. I doubt
Thu Jun 6, 2019, 07:54 AM
Jun 2019

if any candidate can have all the beliefs I have. Besides, I'm looking for someone to beat trump. If a Dem doesn't win in November 2020, it won't matter what I believe.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

bullwinkle428

(20,625 posts)
29. EXACTLY! Chump cultists use this logic every single day.
Thu Jun 6, 2019, 07:40 AM
Jun 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

treestar

(82,383 posts)
72. It's not wrong to him
Thu Jun 6, 2019, 09:32 AM
Jun 2019

Or to a lot of people. People disagree with you. That is life in the USA.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden

Response to mtnsnake (Reply #1)

 

katmondoo

(6,450 posts)
2. I am sorry Joe but times have changed, you will not be seen as honorable but as another draconian
Thu Jun 6, 2019, 06:44 AM
Jun 2019

politician using women's lives to puff up your status.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

LakeArenal

(28,600 posts)
78. By you. Not by Biden supporters.
Thu Jun 6, 2019, 09:44 AM
Jun 2019

His lead keeps a steady increase.

Joe Biden remains the most qualified and well liked both nationally and globally.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

BannonsLiver

(16,043 posts)
93. By you
Thu Jun 6, 2019, 10:18 AM
Jun 2019

Most people will look at his support for Roe and Planned Parenthood and move on. Our DU bubble as enjoyable as it is, is not the whole picture here.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

madaboutharry

(40,066 posts)
3. You can't claim to be pro choice while denying
Thu Jun 6, 2019, 06:45 AM
Jun 2019

access to abortion to those who can't afford it. The women that the Hyde Amendment impacts most are women of color and the poor. It creates a class system of access.

Biden may be personally conflicted. But he is wrong. Any person who seeks to be the President of The United States must be able to put their personal beliefs on choice aside and serve all women by guaranteeing every woman her right under The Constitution. Denying funds for this particular medical procedure denies millions of women their Constitutional right.

Biden needs to show the courage to make this issue bigger than himself.

I think that Joe Biden is a fine man. I think he would make a great president. But I am sure that I am not alone in finding his position on the Hyde Amendment very alienating.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

DownriverDem

(6,159 posts)
43. It was the tone of the times.
Thu Jun 6, 2019, 07:56 AM
Jun 2019

I vote for the person now, not what was going on years ago. If that's what folks are going to do, we will be eating our own.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

madaboutharry

(40,066 posts)
53. On June 5, 2019 Biden reasserted his commitment to the Hyde Amendment.
Thu Jun 6, 2019, 08:20 AM
Jun 2019

That. Was. Yesterday.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

AlexSFCA

(6,137 posts)
57. didnt know that. He put his religious beliefs above public service
Thu Jun 6, 2019, 08:40 AM
Jun 2019

That’s disturbing. I am afraid that if he wins the nomination and beats trump, he won’t stand up to GOP and will try to get back to ‘normal’ and be ‘bipartisan’ above all. That will be a huge win for GOP establishment as he would essentially save the party’s long term viability.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

treestar

(82,383 posts)
73. He's not guilty of putting his religious beliefs above public service
Thu Jun 6, 2019, 09:34 AM
Jun 2019

He definitely stood aside from them on abortion. But public funding is a different issue. And it is not going to happen if Dotard wins again. Being pro-choice is enough at this point in history.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

emmaverybo

(8,144 posts)
98. You probably also do not know Catholic church leaders denounced Biden for his
Thu Jun 6, 2019, 10:39 AM
Jun 2019

stance on abortion and gay rights. He has said he does not feel it right to impose his personal beliefs upon others of other beliefs.
https://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/michael-w-chapman/2-catholic-bishops-biden-not-allowed-speak-catholic-schools-must-not

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

DallasNE

(7,381 posts)
71. Biden Needs To Put Down The Bible
Thu Jun 6, 2019, 09:30 AM
Jun 2019

When it comes to public policy. We are a secular nation, after all.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

samnsara

(17,487 posts)
126. i am pretty sure he has already
Fri Jun 7, 2019, 06:43 AM
Jun 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

shanny

(6,709 posts)
4. Shows he's out of step too
Thu Jun 6, 2019, 06:46 AM
Jun 2019

at a time when the issue is white hot.

I said for months before he got in that I didn't think he should run because of things like this,. He is out of step with the energy in the party, which is coming from women, minorities, and younger adults. They are our future, Biden is our past.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Perseus

(4,341 posts)
23. "They are our future, Biden is our past."
Thu Jun 6, 2019, 07:31 AM
Jun 2019

This has to be the quote of the day.

One more thing, ever wonder why repubs are pushing for Biden?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

shanny

(6,709 posts)
26. Thank you.
Thu Jun 6, 2019, 07:37 AM
Jun 2019

And I ask the same question every time Forbes, or Peggy Noonan, or some other conservative hack touts him as the best candidate.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

DownriverDem

(6,159 posts)
44. And Biden represents
Thu Jun 6, 2019, 07:57 AM
Jun 2019

normalcy. Folks want normalcy. Forget the past crap. Focus on who can beat trump.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Vidal

(642 posts)
46. Many Republicans want to beat Trump
Thu Jun 6, 2019, 07:59 AM
Jun 2019

and that's why they are pushing for Biden.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided

Response to DownriverDem (Reply #44)

 

LakeArenal

(28,600 posts)
80. That "quote of the day" is an old chestnut
Thu Jun 6, 2019, 09:48 AM
Jun 2019

We’ve heard that refrain for a year now.
We all know why some GOP like Biden. They want him to win. Because they like him. Like the majority of the nation.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Iris

(15,613 posts)
5. Nope. This is probably a deal breaker for me.
Thu Jun 6, 2019, 06:47 AM
Jun 2019

Pregnant women are a vulnerable population and we are too close to having some state governments interfering with their medical care and decisions.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

samnsara

(17,487 posts)
129. this one issue voting is what drives the trumpers to the polls too....
Fri Jun 7, 2019, 06:48 AM
Jun 2019

..is dangerous and divisive. I had a friend not vote for Obama because his stance on wolves werent strong enough. I had another friend say she wouldnt vote for Kerry because she didnt like his wife.

One person cant be all things to everyone all the time...but ONE vote can decide the contest. Is our Democracy so strong that it can survive a thousand cuts? I feel everyone who doesnt vote for/support the Dem nom..is inflicting one of those cuts. Thats MY democracy youre messing with.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Iris

(15,613 posts)
136. If you think a stance on wolves and a woman's right to make her own decisions about her health and
Fri Jun 7, 2019, 09:58 PM
Jun 2019

life, then maybe you are part of the problem.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

rgbecker

(4,793 posts)
6. So his position is...?
Thu Jun 6, 2019, 06:48 AM
Jun 2019

Women should be able to choose abortion as long as it is not "Late term" and if she can't afford it, fuck her, no help from the US because healthcare should be a private for profit enterprise for only the well off.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

JI7

(89,099 posts)
7. none of this has to do with him being catholic and it's the shittiest excuse
Thu Jun 6, 2019, 06:49 AM
Jun 2019

he shouldn't be making policy decisions based on religion

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Vidal

(642 posts)
8. Funny how people think they are always right
Thu Jun 6, 2019, 06:52 AM
Jun 2019

and others are always wrong if they hold different views.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

JI7

(89,099 posts)
11. there is nothing right about making policy based on religious beliefs
Thu Jun 6, 2019, 07:03 AM
Jun 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

SidDithers

(44,228 posts)
67. Fucking nailed it...
Thu Jun 6, 2019, 08:56 AM
Jun 2019


Sid
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

USALiberal

(10,877 posts)
20. Just like you do? Nt
Thu Jun 6, 2019, 07:23 AM
Jun 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

MrsCoffee

(5,799 posts)
22. Fuck that noise.
Thu Jun 6, 2019, 07:28 AM
Jun 2019

Different views about my rights over my body?!?

Fuck. That. Noise.

Any candidate that doesn’t support choice 100% doesn’t stand a chance. We didn’t fight all these years to be stabbed in the back by one of our own.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Skya Rhen

(2,701 posts)
9. I agree with you - he has his own convictions, which is his right to have.
Thu Jun 6, 2019, 06:53 AM
Jun 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Perseus

(4,341 posts)
27. If you believe that you should praise the buffon and Stephen Miller for seperating families
Thu Jun 6, 2019, 07:38 AM
Jun 2019

and caging children, I mean...the stand strong by their beliefs.

You are either right or wrong, regardless of how "strong" to stand by your beliefs, trying to make something good about Biden standing strong by, what most humans believe to be wrong, doesn't make it right.

You may love the candidate, but you have to make a decision on those ideals that affect so many people in a very negative way.

I recommend people read a book titled "Freakonomics" where they explain in a very good way why repubs waste so much time with abortion issues, they don't care about human life, otherwise they would not be so eager to go to wars, they would not come up with ideas to separate families, cage children, they want low economic families to not abort because those kids are the ones who fill up most of the military positions, those are the ones the repubs are eager to send to war and get killed. "Life is precious"? Bullshit! Its precious until they can cook up a war and they call it "defending your country", from whom? Who is attacking us in the homeland?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

shanny

(6,709 posts)
28. He does.
Thu Jun 6, 2019, 07:39 AM
Jun 2019

So do we.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided

Response to Skya Rhen (Reply #9)

 

yardwork

(61,191 posts)
112. If you think the Violence Against Women Act was wrong
Thu Jun 6, 2019, 05:28 PM
Jun 2019

I don't know what to say. Are you actually familiar with Biden's record?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,096 posts)
10. One can claim any contravening position shows strength...not so sure, but, HONESTY yes, that's true.
Thu Jun 6, 2019, 07:03 AM
Jun 2019

Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Voltaire2

(12,232 posts)
12. It is disqualifyingly wrong, but indeed he is welcome to continue to blow up his candidacy.
Thu Jun 6, 2019, 07:04 AM
Jun 2019

If that is the beach he wants to die on, fine.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

zipplewrath

(16,646 posts)
13. Current or past?
Thu Jun 6, 2019, 07:07 AM
Jun 2019
His posiitons on LGBTQ and the Green New Deal show he is a true progressive.


That's sorta the question with politicians like Biden. Do I pay attention to his past positions or his current positions? Because they apparently are constantly "evolving". The judgement one must make is whether they will "evolve" in a progressive direction, or will they "stand up for their convictions" in the future.
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Maggiemayhem

(803 posts)
58. His climate policy based on Arch Coal and Shell?
Thu Jun 6, 2019, 08:41 AM
Jun 2019

LOL LOL LOL LOL

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

WhiskeyGrinder

(21,951 posts)
14. "Believing in Hyde" is a garbage value.
Thu Jun 6, 2019, 07:13 AM
Jun 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

NRaleighLiberal

(59,912 posts)
15. Being steadfastly wrong is not right.
Thu Jun 6, 2019, 07:15 AM
Jun 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

NRaleighLiberal

(59,912 posts)
16. Did you feel that way about Dubya with Iraq? He held his convictions.
Thu Jun 6, 2019, 07:17 AM
Jun 2019

This is a very conservative view. Jesse Helms held to his convictions too.

Steadfastly wrong is not honorable.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden

Response to NRaleighLiberal (Reply #16)

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
17. It's time that someone stood up to poor women and said "no!"
Thu Jun 6, 2019, 07:18 AM
Jun 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Farmer-Rick

(9,943 posts)
18. Strong? It's a popular position he holds. It is popular among RepubliCONS and
Thu Jun 6, 2019, 07:19 AM
Jun 2019

the religiously insane. It is popular among forced birth proponents. It is popular among the rich capitalist who run our government. It is a way to stop abortions without having to say you are stopping abortions and is very popular among Trump worshipers and the supreme court. It is popular among people who want to restrict other people's freedoms.

It was popular among politicians up until Hillary ran for president and made it clear what the Hyde Amendment really did to women. At least for me, she opened my eyes to what it did.

I think, if he wants liberal women and their family members to vote for him, he should change his mind.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

MrsCoffee

(5,799 posts)
19. Bullshit.
Thu Jun 6, 2019, 07:22 AM
Jun 2019

I’ve been pro Biden all the way to this point. But this is a deal breaker.

WOMEN’S RIGHTS ARE HUMAN RIGHTS.

This is not negotiable.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

dalton99a

(80,525 posts)
24. If he's advocating the middle ground in the primary, will he move to the RIGHT in the general?
Thu Jun 6, 2019, 07:31 AM
Jun 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

shanny

(6,709 posts)
30. Very good, and disturbing, point. nt
Thu Jun 6, 2019, 07:43 AM
Jun 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Locrian

(4,521 posts)
31. Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act of 1994, H.R. 3355
Thu Jun 6, 2019, 07:43 AM
Jun 2019

How can he not admit that this was a terrible bill?
Even Bill Clinton admitted it was a horrible thing

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Perseus

(4,341 posts)
32. After reading all the posts, if the original post was meant to sway people towards Biden?
Thu Jun 6, 2019, 07:44 AM
Jun 2019

It has produced the opposite effect.

I for one was hoping Biden would not run, and now I am convinced that I don't want Biden to run, with him it will definitely be the same as always, he belongs to the old politicians club, he cozies up to McConnell and other repubs, and as of late with all the changes in his "convictions" shows more lack of strength than what the original post claims to be "strength".

We need progressive people to run and be elected, the new Congress with people like AOC should have shown us all that we need new ideas, new energy, and a very progressive agenda to be able to make an U-Turn on all the crap this administration has brought.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Cuthbert Allgood

(4,769 posts)
33. Fuck that. If Sanders had that position, he'd be crucified here.
Thu Jun 6, 2019, 07:44 AM
Jun 2019

Biden deserves the same for a shitty position on a shitty amendment.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

marylandblue

(12,344 posts)
34. That's fine, but then he lives and dies by his own policies, abilities, and character
Thu Jun 6, 2019, 07:45 AM
Jun 2019

Same as with other candidates. We don't have to accept him because he is "electable." This will make him unacceptable to some voters. They will not vote for him in the primary and could stay home in the general.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

WhiskeyGrinder

(21,951 posts)
35. "I'm glad Biden stands up for a policy that hurts poor people and, disproportionately, BIPOC. It
Thu Jun 6, 2019, 07:46 AM
Jun 2019

really shows strength to hold that belief -- especially as someone who is religious and follows a tradition that, while troubled, has a strong social justice component. People will definitely appreciate knowing where they stand with him."

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Turin_C3PO

(13,480 posts)
36. No.
Thu Jun 6, 2019, 07:46 AM
Jun 2019

He needs to change his position on this.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Hassin Bin Sober

(26,175 posts)
45. And that will make it all better?
Thu Jun 6, 2019, 07:58 AM
Jun 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Tarc

(10,469 posts)
38. His position on the Hyde Amendment has shifted Biden to a "hold your nose and vote for him"
Thu Jun 6, 2019, 07:51 AM
Jun 2019

candidate, for me.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

LakeArenal

(28,600 posts)
82. Funny. That's the way I feel about Harris.
Thu Jun 6, 2019, 09:51 AM
Jun 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Tarc

(10,469 posts)
107. I wish you luck with your anti-choice candidate
Thu Jun 6, 2019, 04:28 PM
Jun 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

LakeArenal

(28,600 posts)
131. I wish you luck with your political opportunist.
Fri Jun 7, 2019, 08:37 AM
Jun 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

demmiblue

(36,666 posts)
132. Pray tell, why do you think Senator Harris is a political opportunist? n/t
Fri Jun 7, 2019, 08:48 AM
Jun 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

LakeArenal

(28,600 posts)
134. This is my last statement to you on this old thread.
Fri Jun 7, 2019, 09:10 AM
Jun 2019

Al Franken.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
39. He recently said he's against marijuana legalization because it's "a gateway drug."
Thu Jun 6, 2019, 07:53 AM
Jun 2019

He really said that. In 2019. I guess he really believes that, since he said he believes that. That's an old argument that most people, and science, know is false. I don't think that shows strength. I think it shows he's stuck in a prior decade.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

pazzyanne

(6,476 posts)
41. My take on this thread is full speed ahead and damn the torpedos seems to be the theme.
Thu Jun 6, 2019, 07:55 AM
Jun 2019

Vitriol against Democrats by Democrats always makes me

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

SMC22307

(8,087 posts)
119. How is pointing out policy positions "vitriol"? (n/t)
Thu Jun 6, 2019, 09:53 PM
Jun 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

pazzyanne

(6,476 posts)
121. The use of anger in any "discussion" creates problems, does not solve them.
Thu Jun 6, 2019, 09:58 PM
Jun 2019

Pointing out policy positions is fine. Verbiage that makes one sick to their stomachs is not!

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

The Blue Flower

(5,416 posts)
42. My thanks to all of you commenters
Thu Jun 6, 2019, 07:55 AM
Jun 2019

Until he renounces the Hyde rule, it's a deal breaker for me. There's no excuse for denying a woman's right to the care she needs.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Nay

(12,051 posts)
89. That plus the "marijuana is a gateway drug" belief are deal breakers for me, too. nt
Thu Jun 6, 2019, 10:05 AM
Jun 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

sop

(9,670 posts)
47. Convictions can also be hypocritical
Thu Jun 6, 2019, 08:00 AM
Jun 2019

Since the Hyde Amendment prohibits federal money being spent on abortions, because the religious right doesn't want their tax dollars paying for "killing innocent babies," then we should pass an amendment that prohibits federal tax dollars being spent on military hardware that also kills "innocent babies" in war zones throughout the world.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

LibFarmer

(772 posts)
48. He is also smart
Thu Jun 6, 2019, 08:01 AM
Jun 2019

A lot of Obama-->Trump Democrats were scared of the leftward lurch of the party and he is going to win them over.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Nay

(12,051 posts)
90. "Scared of the leftward lurch"?? Really? In what universe? A simple overview of what
Thu Jun 6, 2019, 10:09 AM
Jun 2019

Republican RICHARD NIXON proposed and did will show anyone that that reviled president was more leftist than the mainstream Democrats we are saddled with now.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

LibFarmer

(772 posts)
92. Saddled with?
Thu Jun 6, 2019, 10:16 AM
Jun 2019

Biden is running 15-25% ahead of your preferred candidate.

Proof is in the pudding as they say. The leftword lurch has no traction.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden

Response to LibFarmer (Reply #92)

Response to LibFarmer (Reply #48)

 

LibFarmer

(772 posts)
49. He is not doing it because of religious convictions
Thu Jun 6, 2019, 08:06 AM
Jun 2019

He is doing it because it is smart politics.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Hassin Bin Sober

(26,175 posts)
51. Not sure which one is worse.
Thu Jun 6, 2019, 08:12 AM
Jun 2019

I’m sure women love hearing politicians bargain away their rights based on political cravenness and not actual convictions. As a gay man I knew how it felt when politicians I was certain knew better were willing to bargain away my rights while claiming “god is in the mix”

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

LibFarmer

(772 posts)
52. Biden is running for POTUS
Thu Jun 6, 2019, 08:18 AM
Jun 2019

He is not running to be a prophet or god.

Politics involves appealing to a broad set of voters so they will vote for you.

Obama got women's votes despite his support for the Hyde amendment.

Hyde amendment affected women represent a small minority of women seeking abortion.

The question remains..... Would women make this small concession in order to protect Roe's sweeping liberties vis a vis a woman's right to choose ... or will they go for 'all or nothing' and risk electing the orange clown?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

WhiskeyGrinder

(21,951 posts)
54. "Would women make this small concession in order to protect Roe's sweeping liberties vis a vis a
Thu Jun 6, 2019, 08:23 AM
Jun 2019
woman's right to choose ... or will they go for 'all or nothing' and risk electing the orange clown?"


I feel like it's early in the primary season to be like "Don't forget, we have to keep this 'small concession' that sacrifices 20 percent of those who can get pregnant to win the next election, and when we do win the next election, we'll ask you to make the concession all over again to win the next one!!1!!" but here we are.
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

treestar

(82,383 posts)
75. Right to public funding of abortions?
Thu Jun 6, 2019, 09:37 AM
Jun 2019

Where is that to be found?

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primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

still_one

(91,542 posts)
56. Respectfully Libfarmer, it isn't good politics. Telling poor women on Medicaid who have a severe
Thu Jun 6, 2019, 08:29 AM
Jun 2019

birth defect in their fetus, that Medicaid won’t cover an abortion is not only bad politics, it’s cruel

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primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

LibFarmer

(772 posts)
68. I agree with you
Thu Jun 6, 2019, 08:59 AM
Jun 2019

However, how many such cases are there?

Republicans makea big deal about late-term abortions -- but there are fewer than 200 cases a year where a late term abortion is practiced and they make it sound like it is a wide-spread problem.

Let's not do the same thing with "poor women with a fetus that has a severe birth defect" -- there are unlikely to be more than a few dozen cases.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

still_one

(91,542 posts)
83. More than just birth defects, but I don't want debate various reasons, just saying there are other
Thu Jun 6, 2019, 09:54 AM
Jun 2019

significant reasons. I also suspect you do not agree with Joe on this, so I don’t think debating the political merits or demerits will achieve much

I do wish though that Joe would back away from this before the first debate, because I suspect if he doesn’t the debate preparers are preparing a full attack on him with this in front of million of viewers, and I believe it would serve him to defuse it as quickly as possible

We will see what happens within a few weeks, but this was an unnecessary fight Joe did not need

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

LibFarmer

(772 posts)
94. Joe will probably have a presser
Thu Jun 6, 2019, 10:19 AM
Jun 2019

outlining his strong support for a woman's right to choose and the danger posed by Republicans to Roe v Wade.

Things will clarify after that. In the meantime, it is noting but mental self-gratification for the anti-Biden forces.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

WhiskeyGrinder

(21,951 posts)
86. "However, how many such cases are there?"
Thu Jun 6, 2019, 10:02 AM
Jun 2019

People die because of Hyde. What's your cutoff?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

LibFarmer

(772 posts)
95. Show me statistics of deaths caused by Hyde. nt
Thu Jun 6, 2019, 10:20 AM
Jun 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

WhiskeyGrinder

(21,951 posts)
96. Here's the deal.
Thu Jun 6, 2019, 10:34 AM
Jun 2019

The statistics of who dies because of Hyde are difficult to come by for several reasons. One of them is that because Hyde affects marginalized people -- those who are poor, BIPOC, incarcerated -- and because deaths from illegal and/or unsupervised abortions aren't readily available. We do know about Rosie Jimenez, who is considered the first death caused by Hyde, in 1977. Here is her story:

https://rewire.news/article/2017/10/03/rosie-remembering-hyde-amendments-first-victim/

Rosie Jiménez was a Chicana living in McAllen, Texas. The daughter of migrant farmworkers, she was a single mother raising her 5-year-old daughter while studying to become a teacher. She became pregnant after Roe v. Wade legalized abortion, but unfortunately it was also after the U.S. Congress had first passed the Hyde Amendment, banning Medicaid from covering abortion.

Because Medicaid wouldn’t cover her procedure at a safe and legal clinic (the Hyde Amendment had gone into effect mere months before) Rosie turned to an unsafe abortion that claimed her life. She had her entire future ahead of her, including raising her daughter to be healthy, happy, and supported, and pursuing her career. In fact, she was so committed to a better future for herself and her daughter that she died with a $700 scholarship check in her purse.


Hyde applies to more than 7 million people. Hyde forces one in four poor people who want an abortion to carry to term. People who want an abortion and can't get one are more likely to slip into poverty. Hyde is a garbage policy and needs to go.
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

LibFarmer

(772 posts)
97. Anecdotal
Thu Jun 6, 2019, 10:37 AM
Jun 2019

A statement was made that there are thousands of deaths caused by Hyde.

I need statistics - not excuses for why there aren't any.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

WhiskeyGrinder

(21,951 posts)
99. .
Thu Jun 6, 2019, 10:41 AM
Jun 2019
A statement was made that there are thousands of deaths caused by Hyde.


Wasn't from me.

I need statistics - not excuses for why there aren't any.


Sorry, Mr. Jameson!

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

treestar

(82,383 posts)
76. Is that actually true?
Thu Jun 6, 2019, 09:37 AM
Jun 2019

Or is there an exception for the situation you describe?

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WhiskeyGrinder

(21,951 posts)
85. The exceptions are rape, incest and life of the pregnant person.
Thu Jun 6, 2019, 09:59 AM
Jun 2019

Not health of the pregnant person. Not mental health of the pregnant person. Not diagnosis or viability of the fetus. That's what Hyde is.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

still_one

(91,542 posts)
91. Don't know, but the exclusions they state are rape, incest, and life of the mother
Thu Jun 6, 2019, 10:11 AM
Jun 2019

They don’t include bith defects, transmission of a drug addicted mother to the fetus, HIV, Hep C or other possible transmissions I believe, nor the bottom line that a woman may have an unwanted pregnancy, not a result from what would be considered a rape

Regardless, the fact is it’s an anti-poor women law, crafted by men, and no matter how that plays in the GE, I don’t think it will play well in the Democratic primaries, but we will see in the course of time

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

treestar

(82,383 posts)
74. +1
Thu Jun 6, 2019, 09:36 AM
Jun 2019

Why would he put aside religious conviction to be pro-choice, but not on the question of public funding? And at any rate, that's not even going to come up. We are now a long way from public funding.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

still_one

(91,542 posts)
55. Discrimination against poor women is not a strength. Admitting and recognizing you are wrong about
Thu Jun 6, 2019, 08:23 AM
Jun 2019

something is a sign of strength

There is no defense for supporting the Hyde Amendment today



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primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

amuse bouche

(3,651 posts)
59. " standing up for what he believes"
Thu Jun 6, 2019, 08:42 AM
Jun 2019

What these guys fail to understand is, it is not about them. Don't like abortion? Don't get one

Stay out of Women's wombs. Mind your own damn business Joe

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

DallasNE

(7,381 posts)
103. Joe, We Are A Secular Nation
Thu Jun 6, 2019, 12:10 PM
Jun 2019

You do not impose your religious views on the American people. You are in the wrong line of work if you feel you can or should.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Indygram

(2,113 posts)
60. Yeah, it's really strong for a man to stand up against the uteri of American women and girls
Thu Jun 6, 2019, 08:45 AM
Jun 2019

Why shouldn't women sacrifice their rights over their bodies, it's not like he supports forced circumcision of men or anything that has a permanent impact on anyone of importance or anything.

Jesus Christ...male politicians need to leave my uterus, ovaries, vagina and womb the hell alone. My body, my choice. If a candidate cannot or will not respect that at a time when those rights are under attack they can screw off.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Squinch

(50,415 posts)
61. I stopped posting here when I began to see the "Biden can touch any woman any way he wants!" posts
Thu Jun 6, 2019, 08:48 AM
Jun 2019

and the posts (many of them) that said "'Believe Women' is ridiculous, and I'm not going to do it any more!!!" and the posts that trashed a woman who gave a very measured and reasoned explanation of the fact that she didn't really want Joe Biden sniffing her hair before she gave a major speech (though she would still vote for him.)

Stopped by once or twice since then, and saw all the, "Joe made a joke about touching women, wasn't that cute?" I found them disgusting.

Stopped in today and saw this little oasis of sanity. Seems there IS a line that even Joe Biden is not allowed to cross.

I'll vote for him if he's our candidate, but the "Joe can do no wrong, and we'll twist ourselves in knots and abandon all our principles in order to support him, and turn on anyone who won't do the same!" position is dangerous and stupid.

Women's rights are human rights. Joe needs to get his head out of his ass. And so does DU.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

WhiskeyGrinder

(21,951 posts)
62. +1.
Thu Jun 6, 2019, 08:50 AM
Jun 2019

I agree with every word of your post.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

SidDithers

(44,228 posts)
63. I don't care if he grew up a strict Catholic...
Thu Jun 6, 2019, 08:54 AM
Jun 2019

I'm tired of bronze-age religious opinions affecting 21st century policy.

If he's not fully supportive of women's reproductive rights, he's unqualified to be the Democratic nominee.

Sid

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

onetexan

(12,924 posts)
64. I was raised catholic but i think the abortion decision should be subjective, as Biden
Thu Jun 6, 2019, 08:55 AM
Jun 2019

Had made clear when he ran with Obama leading up to 2008. I'm fine w his stance.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

sop

(9,670 posts)
79. I was raised a Catholic, received a couple of degrees from a Jesuit university,
Thu Jun 6, 2019, 09:44 AM
Jun 2019

so I've been exposed to all the theological and philosophical arguments opposing abortion and birth control. Those who believe life begins at conception, and abortion is the killing of the unborn, are entitled to their views, and these people should not have abortions.

Many more enlightened Catholics, no matter how strongly they might personally feel about abortion, also believe the State has absolutely no right to dictate what a woman does when faced with that decision. It's a woman's absolute right to choose what's best for her. Giving the State the right to make that choice is worse than abortion, and the government should stay out of it

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

onetexan

(12,924 posts)
106. Glad to know another Jesuit school alumnus is here
Thu Jun 6, 2019, 01:12 PM
Jun 2019

I agree with you, as i happen to now be someone who identifies as spiritual but dont have alot of faith in organized religion. The way i see it, there is always one thing or another with all of the candidates that we have to grapple with, whether its regarding abortion, environment, healthcare, etc.
Im ok with Biden's stance, since i see him as tried and true with the wisdom and experience of governing, and restoring our country back to normal, and the only one who instills fear into this butthead desecrating the WH. I know others struggle with it and i respect that. My choice is Biden for 2020.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

obamanut2012

(25,850 posts)
65. No it doesn't
Thu Jun 6, 2019, 08:56 AM
Jun 2019

It is 2019 -- he needs to NOT support the Hyde Amendment.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

CanonRay

(13,954 posts)
66. I disagree...I think it was just political calculus
Thu Jun 6, 2019, 08:56 AM
Jun 2019

He's lose face changing his mind.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

BluesRunTheGame

(1,549 posts)
69. I'm glad Mike Pence (the "decent guy") stands up for his beliefs too.
Thu Jun 6, 2019, 09:00 AM
Jun 2019

Like both Uncle Joe and Decent Guy Mike, I was raised Catholic.

Unlike either of them I got away from that shit as fast as I could.

I think that we can do a lot better than Biden.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

dlk

(11,335 posts)
70. The Hyde Amendments Discriminates Against Poor Women, Women of Color, and Young Women and Girls
Thu Jun 6, 2019, 09:21 AM
Jun 2019

I don't see how standing up for and supporting discrimination is a good thing, ever. Biden is entitled to his religious beliefs. However, why is he entitled to enforce his beliefs on women who believe differently and change their lives forever? I see that as patriarchy at its worst.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Politicub

(12,158 posts)
77. If supporters of the Hyde amendment showed that they are concerned about the Hyde
Thu Jun 6, 2019, 09:41 AM
Jun 2019

amendment, it would go a long way in helping people accept Biden's position.

But, that's not what is happening. We are being told that our opinion does not matter because reasons.

I don't think it will help or hurt Biden politically either way, honestly. Repealing Hyde is a moral position that I want to see him take.

Consistency be damned. Pfft. Strength?

You can be religious and still not interject your religious beliefs into how you will govern. That's strength.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

samnsara

(17,487 posts)
87. its OK for a persons personal belief to be different than their policy..it shows they are for..
Thu Jun 6, 2019, 10:03 AM
Jun 2019

..America first. Joe, being Catholic, im sure has strong personal beliefs and opinions about life and death..however its the strength of a great leader to put his/her own belief after the good of the country. Anyone who thinks biden wont do that doesnt know him and should stfu.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

loyalsister

(13,390 posts)
101. I don't respect his position
Thu Jun 6, 2019, 11:48 AM
Jun 2019

but I want to hear it all before the MO primary next March. The only time a man is entitled to have an opinion about abortion is when a woman wants to include him in her decision-making or seeks his opinion.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Vidal

(642 posts)
102. Biden agrees with you
Thu Jun 6, 2019, 12:01 PM
Jun 2019

Nothing you said is contrary to Biden's position.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

loyalsister

(13,390 posts)
104. And yet Hyde defines which women should and should not have ready access to abortion
Thu Jun 6, 2019, 12:23 PM
Jun 2019

Taking a position that limits abortion access is most definitely contrary to a his claim that he believes whether or not to have an abortion is a decision to be made only by women.
Now is not the time for compromises or catering to people who see a fetus as worthy of constitutional protection at the expense of the bodily autonomy of a woman carrying it.
The damage coming out of Alabama and Missouri is real, and the Hyde amendment and partial birth abortion ban were big steps that brought us to this point. He has carried too much water for the antiabortion agenda for me to believe he is sincere when he says he supports abortion rights.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Celerity

(42,090 posts)
105. This is quite possibly the worst argument in support of Biden I have even seen on here.
Thu Jun 6, 2019, 12:28 PM
Jun 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Celerity

(42,090 posts)
116. roflmaooooooo BAZINGA
Thu Jun 6, 2019, 07:23 PM
Jun 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

USALiberal

(10,877 posts)
117. LOL, maybe self delete! nt
Thu Jun 6, 2019, 08:10 PM
Jun 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Celerity

(42,090 posts)
122. it probably won't happen
Thu Jun 6, 2019, 10:01 PM
Jun 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

JudyM

(28,985 posts)
120. Yeah. Now the statement would have to be that changing his mind shows weakness, presumably.
Thu Jun 6, 2019, 09:54 PM
Jun 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

cwydro

(51,308 posts)
123. Lol.
Thu Jun 6, 2019, 10:02 PM
Jun 2019

I like Biden, but these early stumbles are worrisome.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Hassin Bin Sober

(26,175 posts)
124. This thread didn't age well.
Fri Jun 7, 2019, 06:06 AM
Jun 2019

At all.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

mtnsnake

(22,236 posts)
125. Hey, Vidal, now that Biden doesn't stand up for what he believes, what say you now?
Fri Jun 7, 2019, 06:26 AM
Jun 2019

Ouch!!

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Vidal

(642 posts)
128. which was probably a smart move
Fri Jun 7, 2019, 06:47 AM
Jun 2019

he just got a lesson -- in Dem primaries there is no middle ground on abortion.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

demmiblue

(36,666 posts)
133. He can't say anything anymore (flagged for review). n/t
Fri Jun 7, 2019, 08:51 AM
Jun 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Jarqui

(10,074 posts)
130. In 1974 or so, I made my first efforts for gay rights
Fri Jun 7, 2019, 07:04 AM
Jun 2019

I'm not gay. At the time, it was a significant transformation for me personally from being homophobic at a private school for boys.
Back then, I do not recall gay marriage even being an issue. Since then, when it first was brought up, I wasn't ready for it as I hadn't given it much consideration and I was not supportive.
Today, I cannot imagine not supporting it - it seems offensive to not support it.
People evolve on controversial issues - often due to the time needed to get better acquainted with the facts and points of view.

The fact that Biden has evolved on the Hyde amendment is good enough for me such that I'm not going to make a big deal out of it as it might be hypocritical (even though I never was a supporter of that particular amendment).

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
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