Yea... Biden Voted for the Hyde Amendment....

[busterbrown]

Does not allow women to use medicaid for abortions..which pisses me off no end. And I think there are better choices out there for Pres..Harris and Warren for instance..... Our Country is reaching a boiling point for complete destruction..So I'm at the point where there is only one thing that I care about..Trump must be thrown out of his Presidency by any means.....The Hyde thing is awful but as bad as it sounds.. (Biden voted for it)....But by gaining control of the House, Senate and Presidency we can fix it.. As bad as it sounds, Biden can pull a lot of votes from Trump on this issue..Especially in Penn.

People at this point I don't wanna fuck around with Trump...I wanna him out!!! he's becoming more frightening each day.. Wether it's dementia or something else I don't care...He's tearing our country apart and everyday it's getting worse.. To the point where we might lose it..

[theaocp]

1. We're beginning to see what folks will tolerate.

Bring on the debates.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

50. Amazing isn't it?!?!

Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[LanternWaste]

3. Still not too sure on the definition of 'plagiarize', eh?

No worries.... our bias often compels a peculiar lack of basic English.

[wellst0nev0ter]

4. Not sure what you mean

But if I turned in as a term paper what Biden rolled out as his policy proposal, I'd receive a failing grade and a notice to come to the staff office.

[JI7]

16. the policy proposal was not a school term paper

where it is assumed and expected to be the work of the student which they will be graded on.

nobody thinks candidates research and write all their policy. and most would expect them to go to experts for it.

it's a silly comparison.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

5. "This guy who supports Hyde can pull votes away from this other guy who supports Hyde" doesn't

really seem to be a compelling campaign but go off I guess.

[still_one]

9. I cannot think of a good reason why a Democratic candidate would support this amendment today. We

will see what happens in the upcoming polls, but from where I am coming from I am now in the Undecided camp

[mobeau69]

28. Joe's gonna hear about it in the debates too.

[still_one]

32. He should hear about it. From a stratigic point of view he would be wise to walk it back now, but

even doing that he will have lost credibility among some of his supporters

[mobeau69]

33. Yep, I can hear it now:

he was for it before he was against it before he was for it.

[Indygram]

55. Yes, we do

Link to tweet

[mobeau69]

27. Seriously, that's your answer?

That's like saying it's OK to adopt other right wing policies to pull even more votes away from "the other guy".

Making excuses for wrong headed policy is supposed to be a feature of the pukes, not us Dems.

And I'd bet if this were another one of our candidates that did this flip-flop you'd be screaming bloody murder.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

34. Are you responding to me or the OP?

[mobeau69]

36. Not you. Sorry.

This flip-flop is very upsetting. He comes off looking like just another stereotypical politician. We need a candidate that can stand up for what is right and has the ability to explain their position in a compelling way to others on the other side. I think we have candidates that fit that bill. One I like comes to mind.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

37. It's okay! I just wanted to make sure I wasn't coming across as making excuses for Biden, because

there are none for supporting Hyde. I'm upset too.

[still_one]

6. That was then, this is NOW.. and with Roe on the chopping block, support for this draconian law is

unacceptable to me in a candidate. I take the position of Planned Parenthood:

“To support the Hyde Amendment is to block people — particularly women of color and women with low incomes — from accessing safe, legal abortion," Planned Parenthood said in a tweeted statement. "As abortion access is being restricted and pushed out of reach in states around the country, it is unacceptable for a candidate to support policies that further restrict abortion.”

I don't care what he did in the past, people change, I want to know where he stands now, and it is pretty clear he supports the Hyde Amendment now.

I hate to say this, because I was a supporter of Biden right out of the gate, but his continued support of the Hyde Amendment tells me he is out of touch with issues affecting women, especially poor women.

In the next few days maybe we will see if more information is provided, but as of now my political preference has been changed from Biden to Undecided.

I am looking forward to the debates.

I personally cannot see how any Democratic candidate running for President can support this amendment. I don't care what happened under President Obama, or before, with women's rights under attack, there is no excuse why someone would support this piece of garbage

[WhiskeyGrinder]

7. "I personally cannot see how any Democratic candidate running for President can support this

amendment."

Especially when working to repeal Hyde is in the Democratic platform.

[still_one]

13. It is self-inflicted, and we have a good array candidate to choose from

If his campaign is smart, he will back away from this, but regardless, I think he has inflicted damage on his campaign. I guess it would be less damage if he backed down, but there would still be damage, and loss of confidence in what kind of justices he would appoint to the SC.

[Hassin Bin Sober]

26. You know who has always supported full rights for abortion?

[crazytown]

8. Yes.

But putting this up doesn’t help. Some people here are grieving.

[still_one]

10. I am one of them, but it's what it is

[crazytown]

12. So am I still_one

[BannonsLiver]

11. They'll be grieving a lot more with another 4 years (or more) of Fat Donnie

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I’m not saying Biden is the antidote for that but regardless of who it is, what issue it is, there will be a helluva lot more at stake than abortion rights if he gets another 4 years. We all need to be clear eyed on that.

Conversely, if Biden wants to be the nominee he needs to clearly explain his positions and be willing to read the room. I haven’t seen any polling on the Hyde amendment but it’s fair to say even some of his supporters here don’t like his position on that particular piece of legislation.

[crazytown]

14. We all know the arguments for Biden

This stand won’t Hurt him.

A 2016 poll from Politico and Harvard University asked voters whether they think Medicaid, the federal program that pays for health care for people with low incomes, should cover abortions. Just 36 percent of likely voters said yes; 57 percent of self-identified Clinton voters said yes.

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2019/06/joe-biden-abortion-stance/591112/

It hurts me.

[BannonsLiver]

19. That's interesting. Thanks for the polling info.

I hadn’t seen that.

[mobeau69]

38. I disagree about not putting it up.

These things need to be aired out now.

[LibFarmer]

15. And the Hillarification of Joe Biden has begun nt

[Kaleva]

22. Maybe you might want to reconsider your vote at this poll

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287112606

[LibFarmer]

39. I made an observation. No criticism.

[lapfog_1]

17. what is starting to happen now is what I was afraid of

The rest of the impossibly large field is starting to take potshots at the front runner given that his poll numbers since entering have not changed.

What we need is to adopt the "Reagan rule"... speak nothing negative about a fellow Democrat.

the the trumpanzees are gleefully rubbing their hands over the comments by Sanders, Warren, etc over Biden's past positions. I haven't heard Joe fire back... and I don't want him too.

Let's have every Democrat put forth their arguments on why they want to be President, what they will do AS President, and how they plan to beat Trump and get other Democrats elected to the Senate and the House... and everyone vote... and at the end of the primaries we all come together and vote out this narcissistic piece of human garbage.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

20. " I haven't heard Joe fire back... and I don't want him too. "

His campaign says he supports Hyde now. That's shameful.

[Kaleva]

21. You can vote and comment at this poll

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287112606

Most people, it appears, are not interested in adopting the "Reagan Rule".

[Lordquinton]

24. Now that Sanders is not currently the front-runner

it's all about civility, but when Joe's numbers drop behind his, I'm sure this will all still be the letter of the day, right?

[lapfog_1]

56. sanders hasn't been the front runner for quite a while

and, when he was, I didn't post anything negative about him.

more to the point, I don't remember any of the major candidates saying negative things about him.

[Voltaire2]

30. So you are ok with denying poor women access to abortion through medicaid

unless they've been raped or are going to die?

How about we stop compromising with fascists? They don't compromise with us, and they lie cheat and steal to get what they want. They are on the verge of overturning Roe v Wade. As a party, we need to stand firm and united in support for abortion rights and access for all women everywhere in our country.

[vsrazdem]

53. I find it interesting that Israel offers free abortion to women in their country. Now, we send a lot

of money to Israel, so should that money be stopped because it might be going to pay for abortions. I don't hear any republicans bringing this up.

[Lordquinton]

23. It's not that he voted for it, Today he came out in support of it

This isn't a "He did it in the past" this is "He just disqualified himself"

Joe is out, we have a large field of qualified candidates.

[ancianita]

29. Biden supports what Obama supported by executive order.

Barack Obama ... in an executive order relating to the Affordable Care Act ... established "an adequate enforcement mechanism to ensure that Federal funds are not used for abortion services (except in cases of rape or incest, or when the life of the woman would be endangered), consistent with a longstanding Federal statutory restriction that is commonly known as the Hyde Amendment."

The Democratic Party platform is crystal clear in supporting the right to safe, legal abortion and repealing the Hyde Amendment, a position held by the majority of voters," Kelly Robinson, the executive director of the Planned Parenthood Action Fund, said in a statement on Wednesday.

Looks like Bernie supports the Democratic Platform more than Joe does.

https://www.newsweek.com/hyde-amendment-what-joe-biden

[Lordquinton]

40. It was wrong then, and it's wrong now

He said he'd support repealing it when abortion rights were under attack, well guess what? That time is now.

[ancianita]

41. Just wanted to point out that Obama still got a second term. Biden's no more wrong than Obama was.

[Lordquinton]

42. Apples and oranges

Biden isn't going for a second term,he's in early primaries, this is the time to bring up this kind of thing.

[ancianita]

44. Yes, it is. But ONE issue shouldn't sink him in the primaries. This is the clay pigeon shooting that

media goads us all into during primaries.

Any ONE issue they can shoot a candidate down with is what we fall for.

[Lordquinton]

45. Why shouldn't it?

All things being equal, one issue makes a lot of difference. He's the only candidate that's not for it's repeal, that says a lot.

[ancianita]

47. Maybe it will. We'll see how the rest of a nation who's put up with 45 will look at Biden.

[Lordquinton]

49. I'm glad you came around to seeing that one issue does make a difference

To diminish people by claiming they are one issue voters doesn't do anyone any favors.

[ancianita]

52. Reread. I said MAYBE.It doesn't to me, and I don't think it will to the rest of the country, either.

Here's the only one issue that makes a difference: beat 45. Whoever can do it.

You can spread every one fault of Trump's across all 24 candidates, make each the one issue that will drop him/her from the General.

By the time we here finish clay pigeon shooting we'll have a morally acceptable nominee who will lose to the most corrupt incumbent in US history, but the rest of the country will have chosen the nominee they can live with who will beat 45.

That one issue makes all the difference.

[Voltaire2]

25. Yea...continues to support denying poor women access to abortion...

fuck that. It's wrong. Seriously wrong. We can do better than this.

[mobeau69]

31. They don't care 'cause it's Joe.

No matter what he does or says it's apparently OK with them. Reminds one of members of another party.

[ancianita]

43. I'm for Inslee, support Biden, and get that JB's flaws are FAR outweighed by his knowing the job of

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president.

Inslee IS a state executive -- the only one in the race who's a current governor -- who can be the Chief Executive of the country.

Yet people think it's okay to just ignore his accomplishments state side and internationally in working out trade agreements.

I understand how you feel, but it's really not a fair description of all us Biden supporters. Some things are way more important at this point -- winning and supporting all things progressive about Biden.

I'm for Inslee/Harris in 2020. I think he could win some primaries.

[LakeArenal]

35. Joe Biden 2020

[PupCamo]

46. I agree with you

My only concern is whether or not will single issue voters stay home because of Biden's stance of the Hyde Amendment?

[lindysalsagal]

48. Things are so strange in 2019, that I really don't know if it would hurt him, or not. But

I know frump is selling off freedom and democracy for pennies on the dollar, and we're doomed if he's reelected.

I'm not declaring until we have a nominee. I adore Elizabeth, but if Biden can win, then he's got my vote.

[BannonsLiver]

54. Exactly

Those who want to apply purity tests seem to miss the fact that none of this will matter if Donnie gets another 4 years. It’s not unlike conservatives who don’t want to do anything about climate change because it’ll hurt commerce. They don’t realize there will be no commerce if we’re all dead. The same applies for 2020.

[guillaumeb]

51. It also prohibits funding for abortion for all Federal employees.

Many do not seem to know that.