Rolling Stone: 3 Dems Who Top Most Disliked List

[Cha]

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Sanders, de Blasio, Gabbard Top Democrats’ Most-Disliked List

The survey, conducted by Data for Progress, offers a glimpse at the Democrats who are truly polarizing the party, by measuring which candidates voters are “Not Considering.” Vermont Senator Bernie Sanders, New York City Mayor Bill de Blasio, and Hawaii Representative Tulsi Gabbard top the list of candidates Democratic voters have ruled out as they weigh their decision in the party’s primaries and caucuses.

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But, hey it's early yet, right?

[NurseJackie]

1. Agreed! This makes me happy and gives me hope!

[Cha]

5. It is encouraging, Jackie!

[NurseJackie]

6. I think voters have had enough of BS.

[Cha]

9. It gives me

HOPE.. Yes We Can!

[NurseJackie]

11. I love my Democratic party. BS hates it.

BS doesn't share my values or my loyalty to the Democratic party.

[Cha]

16. So true!

And, Gabbard my Rep? Don't like her, either.

Also, I hear from New Yorkers that de Blasio isn't doing his job very well in NYC.

[NurseJackie]

24. Looks like Gillibrand has lost whatever initial appeal she may have had...

... I won't bother to go into details, but I think everyone knows why. (Hint: his initials are Al Franken.)



As they say... the cream is starting to rise to the top (to use a dairy metaphor). Or, the dregs settle do the bottom (to use a coffee metaphor.)

I'm happy that things are starting to become clear this early. Oh, sure, I know there's more to go and a long way to get there... and those who find themselves in the unenviable position of cratering early will likely start-up a renewed and intensified round of attacks and smears on the party... and that will be maddening. But the good news is, from what I can see, for the most part voters are rejecting that type of politics and those types of smears and attacks.

And... the current poll numbers prove that.

[MicaelS]

157. KG can't drop out too soon for me. n/t

[Kahuna7]

75. +1000. When he disrespects the party and bashes..

the "Democratic Establishment," he's bashing all of us. He's bashing loyal Democratic party members and proud Democratic voters.

[redstatebluegirl]

89. Agreed!

[DownriverDem]

23. I only support true Dems

So happy to see I'm not the only one.

[Gothmog]

2. Who is surprised by this?

[NurseJackie]

4. Tickled pink!

[Cha]

8. Not too surprised but

it's still kinda surreal to see that many others feel as I do about this primary so far!

[DoctorJoJo]

12. Exactly What I Was Thinking!

[Cha]

26. I'll toast to that, DoctorJoJo!

[sheshe2]

17. Not me.

Negative doesn't win.

[BannonsLiver]

82. It won in 2016

I can’t fathom a more relentlessly negative campaign than Donnie’s 2016 bid — from start to finish.

[CTyankee]

98. ...and look what it got us. Many,many of those voters have now got to be sorry they voted for him.

As for the dead-enders, well, there will always be a few who will hang on desperately. It is their anger at the system or some other goddam thing that they have. But some have learned their lesson and won't vote for him again.

[BannonsLiver]

99. Agreed

But my point was that negative campaigns can be winning campaigns. It wasn’t about the ethics or fallout.

[CTyankee]

100. I don't think we'll have a re-do of 2016. Some people have learned some lessons for sure.

It just hurts too much, and too much of the time now...

[Control-Z]

149. My only concern is a repeat of Russian influence

and cheating by the maggot and his deplorables.

Because of that we must make our majority vote much larger than in 2016. Big enough that cheating won't work. Big enough that cheaters would be caught red handed.

[CTyankee]

150. Well, we need to have a really good Electoral College strategy that's clear.

What we need is what it took Barack Obama to become our first black president and get reelected. I don't know what is an effective strategy against the Russian influence, but it worked for us when Obama was elected twice...

[sheshe2]

135. With the help of Russia. nt

[Cha]

137. Indeed!

she

[sheshe2]

144. :)

Cha~

[BannonsLiver]

138. Negative campaigns and campaigning have been winning elections long before 2016.

[Kahuna7]

74. No one is surprised by this....

[Hortensis]

78. :) Not me. But good to see anyway

that in these dangerous times the destabilizing left-wing populist leader and movement are better understood and being soundly rejected. The far larger right wing populist threat still remains.

On top of that 28%, of course, are many others who won’t be voting for Sanders but probably just categorize him as an “anything but Trump.”

[JustAnotherGen]

123. Not me

They are fine people but they don't align with my wish list of ideas. I do believe Buttigueg sucks the air out of the room for Sanders. Gabbard is a non starter. DeBlasio - nope.

[Qutzupalotl]

3. Low negatives for Castro, Abrams, Warren and Buttigieg.

That’s good to know as well, and sounds about right.

Very good news for Warren, I think.

[Cha]

10. Yes it is very good news

for these Dems!

[crazytown]

19. Those numbers for Abrams, Buttigieg, Harris, and Warren

fit my feelings to a T, and three of them are women.

I don’t know much about Julian.I know, all I ever want to know about Tulsi.

[Cha]

27. Me too on

Gabbard.. and she's my rep.

[George II]

22. Look who has the highest negative?

[Cha]

29. Shocking.

or not.

[George II]

37. Chuckle...not really!

[Cha]

148. Not really at

all!

[NYMinute]

7. Bernie should drop out

and let this be a peaceful primary without negativity and attacks on Democrats.

[TreasonousBastard]

13. And Biden...

He's a great guy, and would be a good President, but I really think it's time to pass the torch to a new generation.

I remember how JFK electrified the country, and maybe one of our younger Dems could repeat that.

[Cha]

21. I'm actually glad Biden got

in the race.

I want to win.. if Biden is the one.. great.. if someone else steams ahead.. good for them!

[DownriverDem]

25. The rest of us

disagree.

[Cha]

30. No way will that

happen. But, I'm very encouraged to see he has such high negatives(how ironic).

[guillaumeb]

14. Interesting that deBlasio made the list.

One would not think that he is that well known outside of New York.

[Cha]

34. Maybe a sign that he should

consider not joining the race?

I'm told by New Yorkers he's not doing well as Mayor.

[guillaumeb]

35. In my opinion, there are a few who are currently polling at 1% or less.

Perhaps they too should rethink their choices.

[Cha]

38. Maybe they think

they'll work hard on changing those numbers over the next year?

[guillaumeb]

44. I am certain that you are correct.

They might very well think/hope it will happen.

[radical noodle]

15. I really hadn't given much thought to de Blasio

But the other two are also the bottom of my list.

[Cha]

39. Exactly the way I

feel about it, rad!

[yaesu]

18. Rolling stone should stick to music, smokin a blunt. nt

[OilemFirchen]

32. I was reading Hunter Thompson in Rolling Stone fifty years ago.

Ask your parents.

[Cha]

45. I was reading about

James Taylor..

[comradebillyboy]

71. Fear and Loathing on the Campaign Trail was the best political

book I ever read. Hunter Thompson's masterpiece.

[Cha]

41. It's not Rolling Stone that made

those Dislike numbers.

[Tarc]

46. Rolling Stone has never been just about music

If you're not aware of that, perhaps that yap should be closed?

[redstatebluegirl]

90. No kidding, it has always had a strong political voice.

Of course I'm just one of the "old farts" a lot of people on here dismiss.

[revmclaren]

130. Rolling Stone has always been the advocate for ordinary Americans.

Very sad that you don't know this.



ONLY!!! 2019 and beyond.

[George II]

20. Ouch! Net +/- for those over zero:

Biden +29
Warren +27
Sanders +8
Buttigieg +17
Harris +16
O'Rourke +9
Booker +7

The rest are below zero.

I hope some are reassessing the viability of their candidacy.

[thesquanderer]

52. I agree with you. The Net Positive is probably the most important figure.

When, of all those who have heard of you, more are ruling you out than not, that's a bad sign.

[Cha]

69. It will be most interesting

to see how this plays out 6 months from now.

[sheshe2]

28. Sanders and Gabbard, DeBlasio oh my!

[Cha]

57. I have a strong

feeling that these numbers are well earned, she.

[sheshe2]

58. I agree, Cha.

Ships sinking.

[Cha]

59. Like we know... it's

still early, but there's one who's been around for awhile with plenty of name recognition.

Thankfully we have a lot of brilliant Dems in the running!

[sheshe2]

64. That we do, Cha.

Brilliant candidates abound.

[musicman65]

73. How true

onward & upward y'all

[Cha]

125. I'll toast to that, musicman!

[saidsimplesimon]

31. Rolling Stone ahead of the curve?

None of the above? No further comment.

It's early for the mad hatter presently at the helm, but, I'm late, I'm late for a very important date..

Time to send the dumpster back to NY. They are best equipped to plumb the sewer and flush the stank of the golden toilet.

[Cha]

47. Rolling Stone is reporting it..

DateProgress did the polling..

Link to tweet

[saidsimplesimon]

49. Elizabeth Warren is in the race.

I would vote for her in a NY minute, that was yesterday by the way.

[Cha]

55. Yes, Elizabeth Warren is in the race.

And, yes it was from May 9th.

[MrsCoffee]

79. Well that changes everything.

Or something, lol.

[Cha]

107. ..

[Turbineguy]

33. Any of them are better than trump.

[Cha]

67. Understood.. but we want

the person who is going to beat the Psycho.

[WeekiWater]

36. It's hard to call it early when you have been running...

For over four years.

[George II]

40. Bazinga!

[Cha]

43. That's true.. I thought

about that.. Not because of lack of name recognition in the # one spot.

[Hortensis]

83. :) That's generated a higher dislike rate

than Gabbard’s anyway.

[R B Garr]

110. LOL, so true!

[ucrdem]

42. Seems like just yesterday that he was the most popular politician in the universe.

Ah, yesterday . . .

[Cha]

63. I knew that was

coming!

'Cause I already thought of it..

[sheshe2]

136. Yesterday

[mtnsnake]

48. Interesting poll, Cha. I'm surprised that Gillibrand isn't closer to the bottom of the list, though

As for some of the ones like Swalwell, Inslee, and Bennett, I think those three have a chance to improve significantly in a similar poll if done 6 months from now. Good stuff!

[Cha]

56. Yes, it's so early.. lots of

time for those Dems to catch up when more people hear what they have to say.

I bet DataProgress does do one in 6 months!

[Peacetrain]

51. The my way or the highway does not attract Democrats as a rule..

that is for sure..

[Cha]

65. Glad more

are catching on to that.

Peacetrain

[Catch2.2]

53. Great, another we hate Bernie thread

Why don't we focus on the positives of our candidates. Threads like this do not help us at all.

[Cha]

66. Actually it's a DataProgress poll that is

not just about Sanders.

The poll is instructive and more than a few are interested in seeing it.

[BannonsLiver]

87. Is that what Bernie was doing in 2012 when he wanted Obama primaried?

Focusing on the positives?

[Catch2.2]

95. Yes

He actually was. He was focusing on issues that would benefit the American people.

[BannonsLiver]

96. And Obama didn't do that?

Really? A fascinating take id love to hear more about.

Also, you were in agreement with Bernie in 2012 that Obama should have been a one term president? Because that’s what Bernie thought.

[Cha]

109. Thanks!

[Catch2.2]

120. ???

I never said President Obama didn't. I didn't even mention him. I supported and voted for President Obama. I thought he was great! Secondly, Sanders never said that President Obama should be a one term president, that is false. Lastly, what issues do you and Sanders disagree on? Universal Healthcare/Single Payer? Immigration? Tuition free public colleges? Criminal Justice reform?

[BannonsLiver]

139. When you call for a sitting president to be primaried you want him gone

And while Bernie has never been and never will be a Dem he called for Obama to be primaried. It’s all out there for you to discover. Sounds like you don’t know anything about Bernard prior to 2016. Educate yourself.

[Catch2.2]

140. No

He was trying to encourage discussion on topics that he felt President Obama had gone too far right on. Secondly, please tell me what issues you disagree with Bernie on. Healthcare, Education, the criminal justice system?

[BannonsLiver]

141. Yes, I'm sure you believe that.

But you are incorrect. I agree with Bernie broadly on some things. Where we disagree is how they are presented and how we get there. His ideas on foreign policy are naive and dangerous across the board. It wouldn’t matter anyway. I would never vote for anyone who wanted Obama replaced in 2012. You’re fine with that, I’m not and never will be. When I see Bernie sinking in the polls and elsewhere it makes me happy.

[Catch2.2]

142. Thats too bad

I hope going on, you will have less hate in your life. I take no joy in any of our candidates "sinking in polls".

[Cha]

145. I don't see any "hate".. some

of us just don't like BS for the job.

[Catch2.2]

146. I know you don't see it

but that's ok.

[Cha]

152. It's called vetting and

BS needs it.

[Catch2.2]

155. Taking pleasure....

in one of our candidates dropping in the polls is not vetting.

[Cha]

156. BS needs Vetting.

[Catch2.2]

158. They all do

.

[Cha]

108. No, he wasn't.. he was being gratuitously

divisive.

[comradebillyboy]

91. Maybe Bernie should find a way to earn our trust and respect.

[BannonsLiver]

97. He burnt that bridge with me 3-4 years ago.

There’s no way it’ll ever change, either. The word despise falls well short of the mark.

[Cha]

111. +1!

[saidsimplesimon]

54. Early, like a rolling stone

with no direction home...harmonica playing in my mind, Dylan on full 3 dimension.

My list is limited to Republicans I abhor. It is not my style to snipe those who are prey to bottom feeders. just my opinion

[Hortensis]

85. Do you have observations about any

of the other 20 candidates? Governor Inslee is at a 21% not considering. He’s not well enough known to have offended anyone. Is it that this very widely experienced governor has been styled as a one issue candidate? Will the debates change that?

[nycbos]

60. We New Yorkers know de Blasio.

The only people who don't think his campaign is a joke are the members of his immediate family.

[Cha]

70. I've been hearing that from

New Yorkers.

That's too bad.. what happened to him?!

[Kahuna7]

77. Basically, DeBlasio's presidential ambitions have been known since..

the day he took first took office. He considers himself, King of the Progressives. Every other word out of his mouth is, "progressive this and progressive that." It wears really thin after a while. Finally, he just lacks an engaging persona. After 5 minutes in his presence you'd roll your eyes and walk away.

[Cha]

102. Thanks, Kahuna!

I hear things aren't buzzing in along in NYC like they should be, either.

[nycbos]

81. He became more interested in being a "national progressive leader" than his mayoral duties.

Of course the best thing he could have done for the progressive movement is to be a good mayor.

[Cha]

103. Exacty, nycbos!

Priorities, dude!

[NBachers]

61. Thanks for posting this, Cha - I find this information very encouraging.

[Cha]

68. Same here, NBachers..

Steady as it goes

You're Welcome

[barbtries]

62. it had escaped me

the de Blasio was running. oh well. gillibrand is also at the bottom of my list.

[Cha]

105. de Blasio has not officialy

declared.. he's "thinking about it".. maybe he should think twice about entering and work on being mayor of NYC!

barbtries

[ecstatic]

72. Lol, why is de Blasio being ruled out by so many? Nt

[Cha]

129. I hear from New Yorkers

that it's because he's not doing a good job as Mayor on NYC.

[oasis]

76. Of the 3, count on de Blasio to do the right thing when he knows it's over. nt

[LibFarmer]

80. This is not a shock

When one's goal is to destroy the Democratic party, obviously one would be shunned by Democrats.

[Hortensis]

88. Yes. The three most disliked are the three

most disparaging of the Democratic Party in differing ways. They’ve been careful to attack leaders, not members, but apparently it’s taken personally and disagreed with.

I know I have and do.

In very notable contrast, Elizabeth Warren, a “Super Progressive” who works from within the party instead of attacking it, is very well regarded.

As you say, none of it a shock, but our unity once again gratifying to see.

[Cha]

153. Ironic, though.

[Soxfan58]

84. If thats our worst,

We're doing pretty damn good!

[Cha]

106. And, we want to send our

very best to beat trump.

[Kurt V.]

86. warren coming on strong. wooo

[crazytown]

92. Well

You never turned around to see the frowns on the jugglers and the clowns
When they all come down and did tricks for you
You never understood that it ain’t no good
You shouldn’t let other people get your kicks for you

[BootinUp]

93. I don't follow De Blasio enough to have a strong

Opinion, but the other two make sense to me.

[CTyankee]

101. De Blasio is mayor of a very hated city in this country. That was a non-starter to me from the

moment I heard he wanted to run. I thought he was nuts: people in this country LOVE to hate NYC. Stupid, but there it is...

[Cha]

113. I've read from New Yorkers

who l live in the City.. that it's because he isn't doing a good job as Mayor of NYC.

[CTyankee]

117. In the 9 years I lived in NYC and then another 8 or so I lived in Westchester County, I cannot

remember ANY mayor of NYC that the people there liked. I remember, being a polite kid who grew up in Texas, how shocked I was at the attitude New Yorkers had toward their mayors. And if you wanted a quiet cab ride you had to practically bribe cabbies NOT to give you an earful in your cab ride (the way my father would when he visited me in NYC).

I am not the least bit surprised that the "people who live in the city" can't stand him. They hate him the way they hated Koch, Dinkins (first black NYC mayor), and Lindsay (OMG, too WASPY). and on and on.

It's just what New Yorkers do. I would think there was something wrong with them if they didn't...

[JI7]

114. it's the people of NYC who he is unpopular with , the people that he represents

[CTyankee]

116. Let me clue you in on a little secret, as someone who lived in and loved NYC:

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New Yorkers ALWAYS bitch about their mayors: always. It's what they do. I was surprised to hear all the complaining they did about every single mayor they had while I was living there in the early 1960s. I was surprised but then I got used to it.

[Cha]

126. i know a NYer who

lives in NYC and told me about di Blasio not being a good Mayor before we heard he was even thinking about entering the race.

She wasn't surprised to see his high "Dislike" numbers.

[Gothmog]

94. I will support the nominee of the party

I do not like any of these three and I doubt that they will be the nominee of the party

[R B Garr]

104. Interesting! Thanks for posting, Cha. Two make total sense, and it's going to get worse,

but de Blasio is a bit of a surprise.

[Cha]

115. I've read NYers

who live in NYC say he isn't doing a very good job there as Mayor. So it wasn't a surprise to me.. but I can see how not knowing that would make it a surprise!

Aloha RB

[Me.]

112. Late To The Thread

WHEW!

[Cha]

118. Alohahoa, Me!

How about that di Blasio making it in the top 3?

[Me.]

119. Told Ya About Him

THe Question Is...will it stop him?

Happy Day For You Kukuwahinee aka Tutu with your little one....

[Cha]

121. Yes you did.. New Yorkers

know when their Mayor isn't doing their job.

Mahalo, Me!

[Me.]

122. +1000

[Cha]

124. I had such a good

day walking on the beach!

[watoos]

127. I have a suggestion,

First of all I don't know how this thread isn't considered bashing Democrats just because it was done under the cover of a poll. I will overlook my opinion and move on with my suggestion.

The same people who did the poll in this thread did another poll that shows that millennials were by far the largest group of voters who didn't vote for president in 2016.

Think about that. People had better check out how popular Bernie, de Blasio, and Tulsi are with millennials before posting an article that is going to piss off millennials.

I couldn't get my graph to work. You will have to take my word about millennials.


I have another suggestion. Why just eliminate 3 candidates? Why not eliminate all but 3 based on this poll? Do we really want to go to the convention with a bunch of candidates and not be able to select our nominee on the first ballot? That means we bring back super delegates to choose our nominee and just a guess here but I bet that when super delegates start picking people who didn't win the popular vote a lot of our Democratic voters are going to get pizzed off.

Just a suggestion; whittle our list down to 3 based on a poll so that we don't have confusion at our convention.

If my graph didn't work in the middle of my post I apologize. It was a graph that showed that millennials were the largest group who didn't vote for president in 2016. The graph was done by the same people who are cited in this thread.

[Cha]

128. This is a poll that was reported

in Rolling Stone and I posted it here.

The majority of the thread thought it went with how they felt.. same for me.

BS has high negatives.. so does Gabbard. Same with di Blasio. Many of us can see why.

[watoos]

131. Just curious,

I voted for Biden for president in 2007, did you?

I am not anti-Biden, I am anti Democratic purity tests, it's why I sport Tulsi's pic. She is battered here more than Bernie. I remember history, like when only 1 Democrat in the House voted no to allowing Bush to invade Iraq, remember, Barbara Lee? She was bashed by Democrats as being unpatriotic, but she had the foresight to see what would happen if we removed a brutal dictator in Iraq. Once again we are called upon to remove a brutal dictator in Syria and Tulsi opposes it and just like Barbara Lee Tulsi is called unpatriotic. Never mind that Tulsi is only 1 of 2 of our candidates to have served our country in the military.

My only complaint with Tulsi was her LBGTQ positions and she has since publicly apologized and admitted that she was wrong.

I am here to stand up for all of our candidates because one of them may just be our nominee.

[Cha]

132. What does 2007 have to do with

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now and these high negative polls for these candidates?

BS is the one who's always going negative.. why wouldn't it backfire on him?

Gabbard brings it on herself too.. I know she's my Rep... And, I hear from NYers that di Blasio isn't doing a good job as Mayor in NYC.

[watoos]

133. Bernie has a big millennial following,

the same polling outfit that is cited in your thread also polled the fact that it was millennials who didn't vote for president in 2016. I'm just saying, blame whomever, but I don't want history to repeat itself. Hopefully now that we are aware of what Russia did and what dirty Republicans did on social media we won't have a repeat of 2016.

[Cha]

134. For the first time, Biden is leading Bernie among black 18- to 29-year-old likely Democratic..

Link to tweet

[The Mouth]

143. de blasio is a real piece of work

Probably the biggest piece of shit to have a (D) by their name in several lifetimes.

[Cha]

147. Such a bummer.. he could

have done good.

[musicman65]

151. You & I see

Eye to eye

[progressoid]

154. Who is "Data For Progress"? And what's the margin of error?

Fivethrirtyeight doesn't even list them. https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/pollster-ratings/?ex_cid=irpromo