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Tue Aug 18, 2015, 01:31 PM

O'Malley may buck DNC, participate in non-sanctioned debates.

Martin O'Malley warned Tuesday that he and his fellow Democrat candidates for president would "probably" take part in debates that aren't sanctioned by the Democratic National Committee.

O'Malley has already warned he wants the DNC to hold more debates during the 2016 cycle, and his threat raises the prospect that he and others might buck the DNC if needed. He told WKBK radio in New Hampshire that he'd participate in "as many forums" as possible, and said he doesn't think the DNC can legally bar candidates from their sanctioned debates if they participate in non-sanctioned debates.

Host Dan Mitchell asked if the DNC was limiting debates to protect Hillary Clinton, the front-runner, and asked if O'Malley and other Democrats might get together and hold their own debate.

"Well, I think, probably, that's what will happen," O'Malley replied. "I've called upon all of our presidential candidates, including Secretary Clinton, to step up and say we should have more than just one debate in Iowa or one debate in New Hampshire. And to add injury to insult, for them to schedule this in New Hampshire on the 19th of December when everyone's out getting ready for Christmas or doing their stuff with their church choir or what have you, that's just really outrageous."

"We're supposed to be the Democratic Party, not the un-democratic party," he said. "We should be having more debates than the other guys, not fewer, because we actually have ideas that will move our country forward. That's what we've done in the past as a party, and that's what we need to do again."

"I'm going to go to as many forums as I can," O'Malley added.

O'Malley also said he's asked the DNC to stand down on its rule that says candidates can't participate in sanctioned debates if they participate in others.

"[T]hey're in essence saying that if you participate in an unsanctioned debate, one of the three they're allowing across the country before the New Hampshire primary ... that if you participate in an unsanctioned debate, unsanctioned, that is, by the DNC power brokers, that you are going to be prohibited from coming to the other debates," he said. "I don't think legally they have the ability to do that. So we'll see."

While O'Malley has been an outspoken critic of the Democrats' decision to hold six debates, with one each in Iowa and New Hampshire, this is the first time he's raised the prospect of rebelling against the party in this fashion. DNC Chairwoman Debbie Wasserman Schultz has consistently defended the party's "robust" debate schedule, which was announced on Aug. 6, the same day the first Republican debate was held.

The debate stage could be where O'Malley breaks out of the basement of polling. Currently, he sits in fifth in the latest RealClearPolitics average with only 1.8 percent support, which only tops former Rhode Island Gov. Lincoln Chafee in the field.

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/omalley-may-buck-dnc-participate-in-non-sanctioned-debates/article/2570387

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Reply O'Malley may buck DNC, participate in non-sanctioned debates. (Original post)
elleng Aug 2015 OP
Maedhros Aug 2015 #1
elleng Aug 2015 #2
stillwaiting Aug 2015 #3
think Aug 2015 #4
Koinos Aug 2015 #5
elleng Aug 2015 #6
JustAnotherGen Aug 2015 #7
askew Aug 2015 #8
elleng Aug 2015 #9
askew Aug 2015 #10
Koinos Aug 2015 #11
askew Aug 2015 #12
elleng Aug 2015 #16
elleng Aug 2015 #13
Koinos Aug 2015 #14
elleng Aug 2015 #15

Response to elleng (Original post)

Tue Aug 18, 2015, 01:34 PM

1. Good!

 

The DNC is gaming the system for their favored candidate, and they should definitely get bucked.

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Response to Maedhros (Reply #1)

Tue Aug 18, 2015, 01:39 PM

2. Yes they should!

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Response to elleng (Original post)

Tue Aug 18, 2015, 02:04 PM

3. Dec. 19th?!?! Really? God I strongly dislike DWS and those in the DNC that support this move.

Just ridiculous.

And infuriating.

6 debates and one on Dec. 19th. Splendiferous job.

Okay, I'm even more mad after looking up the other dates for the debates. We will only have FOUR debates before the Iowa caucus. With one of them on Dec. 19th. How's that for minimizing exposure?

Two might even come after New Hampshire and a few other primaries as well.

It is CLEAR as day what they are trying to do here. It's not cute. And, there is the potential for some of our voters to be so completely disgusted that they just won't vote in the General. I am disgusted by this.

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Response to stillwaiting (Reply #3)

Tue Aug 18, 2015, 02:28 PM

4. Thanks for pointing that out. A Dec 19th debate date is incomprehensible. The DNC has become a joke

 

that only a GOPer can laugh at....

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Response to elleng (Original post)

Tue Aug 18, 2015, 03:06 PM

5. Just My Theory

Frankly, I think the one candidate that the DNC is really worried about is O'Malley. He is the total presidential package and a clear alternative to the others, but nobody knows about him and his genuine accomplishments. Many of those who take pot shots at him are low information specialists.

I predict that Sanders will "grudgingly" go along with the six-debate schedule, because it will help him to keep O'Malley hidden away; and it will come down to a face-to-face between Sanders and Clinton. O'Malley may even get "sanctioned" for his effort to bypass the exclusivity rule.

I know that many will disagree with me, but I do not believe that the DNC sees Sanders as a real threat in the end. But they do worry about O'Malley.

Therefore, I believe that O'Malley will be virtually standing alone in calling for debates outside of the DNC schedule. Sanders will ask the DNC politely for more debates, but he will not participate in non-approved debates.

In this Group, we all recognize that O'Malley would gain considerable ground in these debates.

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Response to Koinos (Reply #5)

Tue Aug 18, 2015, 03:22 PM

6. I hope you're mistaken, Koinos,

but as usual there's a LOT of substance to what you say.

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Response to Koinos (Reply #5)

Tue Aug 18, 2015, 06:10 PM

7. I agree with you re the DNC

I'll write it again - if O'Malley gets on stage sooner rather than later - those polls change.

Certainly if you read my posts - he has substance and a very strong record. Very strong.

But -

He's also a Washington outsider.

He has a "glow" - interpret that as you will.

He's down to earth and approachable.

He's very very warm on the television screen.

If I'm any of the other four - I don't want to stand NEXT to him.

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Response to elleng (Original post)

Tue Aug 18, 2015, 11:48 PM

8. Bad news - Sanders is refusing to do debates unless all the candidates are included.

http://time.com/4001669/martin-omalley-bernie-sanders-debates/

That means no more debates. Pretty chickenshit of Sanders IMO. He can whine about the lack of debates but won't do anything to fix the problem.

I still think O'Malley should reach out to the GOP candidates who don't make the main debates and have a debate with them. More people would watch that debate anyway.

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Response to askew (Reply #8)

Wed Aug 19, 2015, 12:10 AM

9. Oh crap!

'But the Vermont Senator, who is attracting large crowds at campaign rallies—including 28,000 at a recent event in Portland—is less eager than O’Malley to pursue a path that would put him at odds with the Democratic Party. He is highly unlikely to participate in a debate that does not include Clinton, and his campaign spokesman said Wednesday that the debates must include all candidates.

Tad Devine, a top advisor to Sanders, called the “debate debate” a “distraction.”

“I don’t think we’re looking to be part of some splinter group or something like that,” said Tad Devine, a top advisor for Sanders’ campaign. “Our view is we want to work with the Party and not against it.”'

Hate to say this, but feels 'chicken' to me. They're ALL hiding from MO'M


edit: but there's this: A lawyer for O’Malley’s campaign has said the DNC’s exclusivity rule is “legally unenforceable,” arguing that under Federal Election Commission rules, the format and structure of debates is controlled by the debate sponsor, and not by the political party. O’Malley and Sanders have both called for a more open debate process.

“I do not believe it’s enough,” Sanders said on the debate. “Debates are one way to engage people in the democratic process.” He said Wednesday he would like to see the AFL-CIO or other groups sponsor additional debates.

So what REALLY is Sanders position???

PPS, How's THIS, what happens with MO'M and debate(s) will show a fair amount about his ability to deal with governing matters.

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Response to elleng (Reply #9)

Wed Aug 19, 2015, 12:53 AM

10. To me, it seems quite clear that Sanders isn't interested in doing anything more than

whining about it. He knows that he is in a solid 2nd to Hillary and he can just wait it out to the debates. O'Malley needs the debates more than anyone else. I had hoped that O'Malley could convince Perry, Jindhal and other GOPers to do a cross-party debate. That might entice Sanders to jump onboard.

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Response to askew (Reply #8)

Wed Aug 19, 2015, 09:59 AM

11. I thought it would turn out this way.

Why would Sanders risk appearing with O'Malley any more than he has to?

I hate it when I'm right.

If O'Malley sets up debates with Chafee and Webb, he will be ignored.

And he may even get himself banned from the DNC debates.

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Response to Koinos (Reply #11)

Wed Aug 19, 2015, 10:24 AM

12. Yeah, no one is going to care about a debate with O'Malley, Chafee and Webb.

I still think O'Malley's best bet is to do an event with the GOP candidates polling poorly who aren't jokes like Governor Perry or Jindhal. Doubt it happens though.

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Response to askew (Reply #12)

Wed Aug 19, 2015, 11:38 AM

16. Maybe Kasich?

He's REAL, I think. Could be a real discussion! Any others you can think of?

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Response to Koinos (Reply #11)

Wed Aug 19, 2015, 10:39 AM

13. I hate it when you're right too, Koinos!

(as I've said before!)

So he'll have to do 'noisy' stuff on his own, like beating drums in Las Vegas at trump's palace, and get UNION attention!!!

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Response to elleng (Reply #13)

Wed Aug 19, 2015, 11:34 AM

14. You are right.

He is going to have to do this alone, one small step at a time.

But the more they try to suppress him, the more trouble he will make for them.

O'Malley has courage, persistence, and optimism that I could only dream of having.

It will be interesting to see his next move.

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Response to Koinos (Reply #14)

Wed Aug 19, 2015, 11:37 AM

15. VERY interesting to observe his strategy.

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