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"It's a purchase" (Original Post) SHRED Dec 2015 OP
This guy walks the walk. pangaia Dec 2015 #1
Reporter: "How do you beat Hillary?" Nyan Dec 2015 #2
Damn JackInGreen Dec 2015 #3
BERNIE!! AzDar Dec 2015 #4
BRAVO! Iwillnevergiveup Dec 2015 #5
Yep, so we have to Fawke Em Dec 2015 #6
Love that pic!!! cui bono Dec 2015 #34
The man is awesome! SammyWinstonJack Dec 2015 #7
this man will win. roguevalley Dec 2015 #8
I truly believe that. cui bono Dec 2015 #35
K&R tecelote Dec 2015 #9
He does take a lot of $ from unions though. ErikJ Dec 2015 #10
Are you saying unions are billionaires buying votes? lunatica Dec 2015 #12
Some unions are anti-environmental though ErikJ Dec 2015 #13
Well, they're wrong to do that lunatica Dec 2015 #14
I hope Bernie will be able to resist the anti-environ unions influence ErikJ Dec 2015 #15
It's too bad he doesn't have all that pro-environmental Wall Street money... Maedhros Dec 2015 #16
Wall St money is better than Big Oil, Coal money ErikJ Dec 2015 #17
So... DUbeornot2be Dec 2015 #18
Big banks should be broken up if too big to fail ErikJ Dec 2015 #19
Agreed... DUbeornot2be Dec 2015 #20
I'm with you on public banks. airplaneman Dec 2015 #28
Im with you airplaneman Dec 2015 #29
Yeah, we saw how THAT worked out...[n/t] Maedhros Dec 2015 #32
So the Clintons shopped around for the best puppetmasters? cui bono Dec 2015 #36
You don't have to hope, he already has. smokey nj Dec 2015 #31
Perhaps.....then again..we do not know which unions are supporting him. dixiegrrrrl Dec 2015 #39
unions are striving to keep the jobs of their members. hopemountain Dec 2015 #22
I agree with you lunatica Dec 2015 #40
The nurses union is with him. I think that is OK, but if the nurses union were included in JDPriestly Dec 2015 #25
Along with public financing of campaigns ErikJ Dec 2015 #27
K&R! This post should have hundreds of recommendations! Enthusiast Dec 2015 #11
Bernie is not for sale. azmom Dec 2015 #21
So true! Rosa Luxemburg Dec 2015 #23
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Dec 2015 #24
Ouch! nt antigop Dec 2015 #26
What a guy! zentrum Dec 2015 #30
I don't understand the disconnect. Tortmaster Dec 2015 #33
When you're right,you're right and once again Bernie's right. Nailed it. marble falls Dec 2015 #37
K&R Some invest in Wall St, some in democracy for all. nt raouldukelives Dec 2015 #38

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
35. I truly believe that.
Tue Dec 29, 2015, 05:32 AM
Dec 2015

I also believe that if he doesn't get the nom, we will lose about 1/3 of Dem voters for many cycles to come. With all the enthusiasm he gets if the establishment/corporate candidate wins, people will give up and figure what's the point.



(53,410 posts)
12. Are you saying unions are billionaires buying votes?
Mon Dec 28, 2015, 03:15 PM
Dec 2015

Or that they're an Oligarchy taking money out of the hands of the middle class and stuffing their own pockets with it?

Or are they the 1% who run the banks and Wall Street?



(6,335 posts)
13. Some unions are anti-environmental though
Mon Dec 28, 2015, 03:26 PM
Dec 2015

like the unions lobbying for XL pipeline and auto-workers lobbying for big gas guzzlers.


(53,410 posts)
14. Well, they're wrong to do that
Mon Dec 28, 2015, 03:32 PM
Dec 2015

Although they're fighting for jobs, not to line their pockets. There is a distinction. They would fight just as hard for environmentally friendly jobs if those were what the workers had.

They can't exactly fight against their members' jobs and leave people jobless can they?



(6,335 posts)
15. I hope Bernie will be able to resist the anti-environ unions influence
Mon Dec 28, 2015, 03:41 PM
Dec 2015

The AWU fought tooth and nail in the past to not raise miles per gallon legislation. Especially their bought off Dem senator in Michigan. Cant remember his name now. He died last yr I believe.



(6,335 posts)
17. Wall St money is better than Big Oil, Coal money
Mon Dec 28, 2015, 03:54 PM
Dec 2015

which is one reason the Clintons decided to go with Wall St $ rather than others. Bill knew the unions were dying so had to find new $ source and Wall St was what the 3rd way thought was most benign source.


(367 posts)
18. So...
Mon Dec 28, 2015, 04:18 PM
Dec 2015

... you are suggesting those who plunder citizens hard earned savings, retirement plans, and who foreclosed on millions of peoples homes are a more benign choice? That is third way?

Happy people, secure in their homes filled with their own earned posessions are far more likely to creatively solve the problems caused by the greedy coal, oil, and gas bosses than people who have had everyting conned from them by crooked bankers, traders, hedge-funders who have paid off crooked politicians to keep the game rigged against the voting populace...

Of course that's just my opinion.



(6,335 posts)
19. Big banks should be broken up if too big to fail
Mon Dec 28, 2015, 04:29 PM
Dec 2015

And we need a PUBLIC state bank in each state like N. Dakota. Or maybe a national public bank. And the Fed should be nationalized.
If the biggest banks are too big to fail, then they need to be broken up to prevent another trillion $ public bailout like in the 2008 TARP.

And u'r right about a large middle class being comfortable enough with enough time to tinker in their garages which has been a huge source of innovation in America.
So Bernie is right about trying to break them up but it will be a tough one even for him.


(367 posts)
20. Agreed...
Mon Dec 28, 2015, 05:16 PM
Dec 2015

... bankers have done everything they can to keep the workers down and their monstrous, predatory institutions need to be broken up. Criminal bankers should go to jail, not be appointed positions in the fed.

People like Hillary, who support these folks as they get wealthier by tacking fee after fee on low-balance($) customers then come tell me how hard they are fighting for me, really make me sick.

So Hillary makes about $4000./minute if her "speeches" are an hour at $250K. Yeah, I guess I can see why she thinks people unfortunate enough not to have bank accounts should have to pony up almost an hour's pay at minimum wage just to have the priviledge of getting paid for a day's work... or to have to work over half a day to cover one accidental overdraft fee of $35. per... The eggregious examples go on from there. Yeah, she's fighting for the little guy!

It's time to put campaign finance in the hands of the public and to impose regulations on broadcasters to limit what they charge for political advertising, thereby decreasing the funding needs of campaigns so they can get back to solving our problems.

Those two steps would be significant as a first move in taking the power back from the media and the banks who profit as a result of a rigged system while us citizens simply struggle to stay alive...


(1,245 posts)
28. I'm with you on public banks.
Mon Dec 28, 2015, 08:50 PM
Dec 2015

I never realized how bad it was until I discovered Ellen Brown a proponent for public banks.
I knew about banks gouging customers but I was unaware that private banks have taken over the supply of the money of this entire country and use that advantage for themselves mainly.
If you have not already check her do it here:




(1,245 posts)
29. Im with you
Mon Dec 28, 2015, 08:52 PM
Dec 2015

Are you aware of Ellen Brown a proponent of public banks.
Check her out here if you have not.




(60,010 posts)
39. Perhaps.....then again..we do not know which unions are supporting him.
Tue Dec 29, 2015, 12:28 PM
Dec 2015

I assume he aligns with the good ones.


(3,919 posts)
22. unions are striving to keep the jobs of their members.
Mon Dec 28, 2015, 06:25 PM
Dec 2015

you know, the working class. their money represents the working class. super pac money from the banks and corporations represent the greed that is taking down this country - it is blood money, actually.


(57,936 posts)
25. The nurses union is with him. I think that is OK, but if the nurses union were included in
Mon Dec 28, 2015, 07:33 PM
Dec 2015

a universal ban on superpacs in elections, I'd be happy.


(382 posts)
33. I don't understand the disconnect.
Tue Dec 29, 2015, 03:45 AM
Dec 2015

Senator Sanders claims that Super PACs buy elections, that he will make Citizens United a litmus test for his Supreme Court nominees, and yet he says that he will take a knife into an advertising gunfight.

Either advertising works, or it doesn't. Which is it?

Seven of the richest ad campaigns in history-- combined --totaled 93.6 million in television and other advertising dollars, and that's from heavy hitters like Honda, Pepsi and Chrysler. Republicans are said to be pouring $2 billion plus into the 2016 election.

At this point, though, even the Koch brothers seem to be backing off their initial proposed budget of $889 million dollars for 2016. I believe this is because they can sense that Secretary Clinton is the overwhelming favorite. That is especially true if her running mate turns out to be Secretary Julian Castro. Such a combination would be the kind of dream ticket that could beat any possible Republican configuration, including Zombie Reagan and Baby Jesus.

If, on the other hand, Senator Sanders somehow wins the nomination, then the Koch brothers and the rest of the GOP sharks will smell blood and spend as much as a billion dollars on TV, radio and internet advertising just in Florida and Ohio. And according to Senator Sanders' own logic and rhetoric that would spell his doom. Because advertising works. Why else would anyone care about Citizens United?

That's why Secretary Clinton's plan of action, more nuanced and much smarter, is to use the weapon that the GOP created to beat them, then disarm it.

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