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Sat Dec 19, 2015, 04:18 PM

MannyGoldstein, 35,500 posts, member since Aug 2005

LOonix, 31,500 posts, member since Mar 2006
NYC_SKP, 68,500 posts, member since May 2008

Why these? For ONE FUCKING POST out of 68,500. Out of 35,500. Out of 31,500. It's like a certain care was taken to single out these prolific long-time posters and, yes, leaders. I've seen many posts by SBS and HRC supporters saying similar things - a lot gets said on a freewheeling political forum open to anyone who's willing to log in. But it gets passed by with a hide at most. Yes, these three all technically ran afoul of TOS violations, so the punishment is technically justified, but of the 100's of 1000's, even millions of posts to DU, why these select few, and why now?

If we were barnyard animals we'd not notice as our friends and allies get picked off. Or we might notice, be alarmed for a few hours, then forget and go back to munching hay. But we aren't barnyard animals and I don't think our forgetting, our deadly complacency is counted on. I think the opposite. I think the point is to condition us to self-censor. To bow. To know our place, to know who's boss and to know what candidate is protected. I think the point is to show us that although we might think this is our home, we're only here on sufferance and it isn't democracy, it's bought and paid for

The money is flowing and those on the receiving end are acting like there's no tomorrow.

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Reply MannyGoldstein, 35,500 posts, member since Aug 2005 (Original post)
delrem Dec 2015 OP
Scootaloo Dec 2015 #1
arcane1 Dec 2015 #2
mountain grammy Dec 2015 #14
Spirochete Dec 2015 #6
Cassiopeia Dec 2015 #17
Dragonfli Dec 2015 #28
billhicks76 Dec 2015 #39
Fawke Em Dec 2015 #63
awoke_in_2003 Dec 2015 #49
Autumn Dec 2015 #8
QC Dec 2015 #9
roguevalley Dec 2015 #31
IngridsLittleAngel Dec 2015 #15
Scootaloo Dec 2015 #20
IngridsLittleAngel Dec 2015 #25
delrem Dec 2015 #65
bvar22 Dec 2015 #69
Enthusiast Dec 2015 #3
nenagh Dec 2015 #4
BlueJazz Dec 2015 #5
Curmudgeoness Dec 2015 #29
BlueJazz Dec 2015 #47
Bread and Circus Dec 2015 #33
Divernan Dec 2015 #38
Orrex Dec 2015 #41
delrem Dec 2015 #43
Orrex Dec 2015 #55
BlueJazz Dec 2015 #51
Bread and Circus Dec 2015 #52
delrem Dec 2015 #35
BlueJazz Dec 2015 #50
delrem Dec 2015 #56
BlueJazz Dec 2015 #57
Dragonfli Dec 2015 #7
winter is coming Dec 2015 #12
Curmudgeoness Dec 2015 #30
winter is coming Dec 2015 #48
arcane1 Dec 2015 #16
Dragonfli Dec 2015 #19
arcane1 Dec 2015 #22
Dragonfli Dec 2015 #26
arcane1 Dec 2015 #27
roguevalley Dec 2015 #34
arcane1 Dec 2015 #37
roguevalley Dec 2015 #40
Flying Squirrel Dec 2015 #10
SoapBox Dec 2015 #11
PatrickforO Dec 2015 #13
arcane1 Dec 2015 #18
Dustlawyer Dec 2015 #21
Proserpina Dec 2015 #59
raouldukelives Dec 2015 #23
Curmudgeoness Dec 2015 #24
Bread and Circus Dec 2015 #32
LaurenG Dec 2015 #36
Divernan Dec 2015 #42
eggplant Dec 2015 #44
rwsanders Dec 2015 #45
Jester Messiah Dec 2015 #46
liberalnarb Dec 2015 #53
MrMickeysMom Dec 2015 #62
zentrum Dec 2015 #54
Stargleamer Dec 2015 #58
in_cog_ni_to Dec 2015 #60
delrem Dec 2015 #66
MrMickeysMom Dec 2015 #61
grahamhgreen Dec 2015 #64
Live and Learn Dec 2015 #67
Ichingcarpenter Dec 2015 #68

Response to delrem (Original post)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 04:24 PM

1. And yet, bigoted flamouts are allowed ot stay.

 

People sourcing Stormfront and gateway Pundit to attack a Jewish democratic candidate, they're allowed to stay.

Accusations that a Democrat is a rapist, a pedophile, a segregationist/ all allowed ot stay.

Cranking out sock puppets to get around alert limits? No problem.

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Response to Scootaloo (Reply #1)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 04:27 PM

2. Not to mention, posters claiming they won't vote for Sanders if he's the nominee, get to stay.

 

Funny how that works.

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Response to arcane1 (Reply #2)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 06:00 PM

14. I asked the question of two regular posters who are Hillary supporters..

Will you vote for the Democratic nominee? Answer: crickets.

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Response to Scootaloo (Reply #1)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 04:48 PM

6. Wasn't one of them

harassing other members via the IM system, while on a timeout? Apparently the admins are ok with that...

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Response to Spirochete (Reply #6)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 06:04 PM

17. Yes, I was a victim of a poster doing that.

I finally just blocked that poster, but I shouldn't have had to.

A time out should be just that. Allowing a back door way of harassment just seems silly.

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Response to Cassiopeia (Reply #17)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 06:27 PM

28. I know Vanilla PM stalks as a matter of habit during her/his many time outs /nt

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Response to Dragonfli (Reply #28)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 06:54 PM

39. I Noticed That Also

 

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Response to Dragonfli (Reply #28)

Sun Dec 20, 2015, 12:46 AM

63. Yep. She did it to me, too.

I blocked her from IMing me.

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Response to Cassiopeia (Reply #17)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 07:24 PM

49. If posters harass you via PM

 

I say make a public thread for all to see. That will stop that shit quick enough.

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Response to Scootaloo (Reply #1)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 04:52 PM

8. Admitting they don't support Hillary but don't like how they

say they were "treated bad" by Sanders supporters so do nothing but post crap about Bernie.

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Response to Scootaloo (Reply #1)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 04:53 PM

9. A poster who confessed to being a rapist himself was kept here.

Gay people who spoke up after months of harassment and bullying were summarily banned.

DU justice has always been arbitrary and capricious.

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Response to QC (Reply #9)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 06:41 PM

31. yes. I wrote a personal appeal to Skinner and Elad to take down

the rapists and they were left to fuck us all over. I guess if you have a contrary opinion of HRC, the candidate of the owners you are toast.

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Response to Scootaloo (Reply #1)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 06:03 PM

15. Also no problem...

Defaulting on blaming blacks who get shot by cops, because cops are the good guys.

Derailing discussions about transgender bathroom and locker room rights about "PROTECT US FROM PREDATORS!!!!!111!"

Blaming LGBT's when Democrats lose.

The motherfucking "pony" shit.

Amongst others...

But, hey, now we're safe from those three "evil ones" and their three posts.

Yep. I'm sure this post just put a target on my ass. So be it.

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Response to IngridsLittleAngel (Reply #15)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 06:15 PM

20. And I can name each and every person you just referenced.

 

And yep, absolutely all of them are clinton supporters now.

Funny how she seems ot have attracted all the very worst people.

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Response to Scootaloo (Reply #20)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 06:25 PM

25. I know...

And yep, absolutely all of them are clinton supporters now.

Which is why posts like those are okay, I guess. While some of us probably get the chair for posting one wrong thing, because we want ponies or support the wrong candidate or whatever.

I know. Look at me with my post count. Trust me, I've been reading here for many years, despite the few posts. And not only am I bothered by seeing some great posters ousted, but, I'm thinking it'll be my time soon. Sad.


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Response to Scootaloo (Reply #1)

Sun Dec 20, 2015, 02:04 AM

65. It's monstrous what happens when consistency is no longer valued as a factor.

When it's turned into a beauty pageant.

I had to turn off the so-called "debate".
All that talk about "Muslims" got to me. I mean, wtf?
It was all so wrong right down to its bones.

I wasn't impressed by any of it and I think the problem boils down to the body politic allowing the MSM to dictate all terms of political debate, right down to the format. There has to be collusion and heavy-duty graft for that to be carried out.
I could hear the frustration in the candidates voices, but they were trapped.
They had to play out their roles in this media circus and none of them were doing well.

Nothing about the format allows for any depth of discussion or control of the topic, the direction.

It was a disgrace.

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Response to delrem (Reply #65)

Sun Dec 20, 2015, 01:04 PM

69. After the first hour,

I started switching over to the Jets/Cowboy Game whenever Hillary started filibustering and shouting over everyone else.

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Response to delrem (Original post)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 04:33 PM

3. It is what it is. And we know what it is.

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Response to delrem (Original post)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 04:34 PM

4. Removing alpha male and female contrary voices to your chosen one...

very important..

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Response to delrem (Original post)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 04:35 PM

5. We ARE guests here. The people who own/run this site have their rules and frankly...

 

..That is that. If somebody loves this site, wonderful! If not so much ...then I don't know what to say except "It's their stage and play the songs the way the management wants"

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Response to BlueJazz (Reply #5)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 06:29 PM

29. Did you forget the sarcasm smilie? nt

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Response to Curmudgeoness (Reply #29)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 07:23 PM

47. I never do sarcasm.

 

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Response to BlueJazz (Reply #5)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 06:44 PM

33. We are the content. DU is nothing without its posters.

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Response to Bread and Circus (Reply #33)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 06:54 PM

38. We are paying guests, if you will, and the more we post, the more $$$ for DU

As someone noted, Manny posted enough to pay for braces for someone's kid.

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Response to Divernan (Reply #38)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 07:03 PM

41. Well, two things.

We are paying guests, if you will, and the more we post, the more $$$ for DU.
As someone noted, Manny posted enough to pay for braces for someone's kid."
1. If that's the case, and if Admin still PPR'ed him, then we can conclude that they did the math and considered the loss of revenue to be an acceptable trade-off.

2. Whoa--that means I've paid for about 1.2 sets of braces.

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Response to Orrex (Reply #41)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 07:11 PM

43. Perhaps David Brock wants to see some concrete results for his shitloads of cash.

It *is* PAC cash dedicated exclusively to the internet, is it not?

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Response to delrem (Reply #43)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 07:45 PM

55. Beats me.

Perhaps you should post your question in ATA.

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Response to Bread and Circus (Reply #33)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 07:28 PM

51. Yes but we are nothing without DU.

 

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Response to BlueJazz (Reply #51)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 07:30 PM

52. LoL maybe you are nothing without DU.

And if that is true I feel sorry for you.

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Response to BlueJazz (Reply #5)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 06:51 PM

35. That is, of course, an integral part of what I said in my OP.

My OP wouldn't make much sense if it weren't.

But thanks for underscoring the point.

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Response to delrem (Reply #35)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 07:27 PM

50. Sorry, I'm Australian. Sometimes my English is not very good.

 

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Response to BlueJazz (Reply #50)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 07:51 PM

56. That's probably why you never do sarcasm. nt

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Response to delrem (Reply #56)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 07:57 PM

57. Rats. Busted!

 

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Response to delrem (Original post)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 04:51 PM

7. I believe NYC_SKP was here since 2002 but under a slightly different spelling

I remember because he was the first poster to welcome me to DU in 2004.

Other than that just remember all animals are equal but some are more equal than others.

The TOC Manny was banned for saying he would not vote for a particular one of a set of current competitors in the still ongoing primary if they won said primary is a rule that it would appear does not exist for those that single out Bernie sanders as the individual they would not vote for, I have counted 16 such incidents since yesterday morning and I do not read every thread. None of those posts have resulted in PPR - some animals are more equal than others.

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Response to Dragonfli (Reply #7)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 05:42 PM

12. If you've identified them, I suggest making a list of links for an ATA post.

If the admins are going to ban people for declarations made before the primaries even begin, they should be doing it for all of the candidates, and not just Sanders supporters.

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Response to Curmudgeoness (Reply #30)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 07:24 PM

48. Well, that's a steaming pantload. n/t

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Response to Dragonfli (Reply #7)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 06:03 PM

16. I would highly recommend alerting on those posts from now going forward.

 

I probably have half of them on ignore

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Response to arcane1 (Reply #16)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 06:09 PM

19. I've never been one to alert because words cause me no harm, but I agree that we should at least

Alert as a means of informing the Admins of a TOS violation of the type Manny suffered.
I do not believe it will yield results however, call me cynical. I believe the TOS when used this way is candidate specific.

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Response to Dragonfli (Reply #19)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 06:20 PM

22. I share your cynicism, but at least there will be a record.

 

And if the jury votes to keep it, the results can be alerted on too, and/or posted in the Ask the Admin group.

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Response to arcane1 (Reply #22)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 06:25 PM

26. to help you would have to release the ignores

As distasteful as the resulting "discussion" you'd be experiencing might be, that and look at what they post in their sacred spaces.

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Response to Dragonfli (Reply #26)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 06:26 PM

27. Sad but true.

 

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Response to arcane1 (Reply #27)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 06:46 PM

34. I miss manny because he was brave. When you take down the voices you have

no right to respect. I suspect I will be banned eventually. Keep winnowing the voices and show the world what you are. I am a leftie and that is anathema here now. I am a long time FDR dem but that also is the enemy. WTF? I miss you, Manny. You are a good soul and this place is smaller because you are gone. Ban me.

I responded to a thread once from my phone that does not list the group names where they originate. I tried to figure it out and I couldn't find it. I said I would always speak out when I didn't agree especially when the facts were contrary to the opinion posted. It was unfortunately the HRC group which I found out when they banned me. I don't care. I don't read or post there usually but the title of the group wouldn't show on my phone.

too bad. I would hate to be so afraid that someone elses words made me want to cast them out. That doesn't sound like strength to me.

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Response to roguevalley (Reply #34)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 06:51 PM

37. That group banned me for a stupid-ass reason.

 

Some troll joined DU, and posted some name-calling about Sanders supporters in the HC group. I served on the jury and I voted to hide. They were PPR'ed promptly.

I admitted in the thread that I voted to hide the troll's anti-Sanders post, so they banned me.

We're not exactly dealing with rational people over there

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Response to arcane1 (Reply #37)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 06:57 PM

40. I remembered that post, arcane1. I remember thinking you would

regret saying that. Well, sit by me, darling. You are brave too.

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Response to delrem (Original post)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 04:57 PM

10. I saw this one coming a mile away

Didn't see the other two coming, but it only takes two to set a pattern.

Don't get to be too popular with other DUers if you're gonna be unpopular with the Admin. And above all, don't look like you're enjoying yourself too much.

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Response to delrem (Original post)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 05:13 PM

11. I recommend sharing an email with a user or two...

In the event that one gets selected for slaughter from the herd.

I truly thank those that have agreed to keep an address for me as well as sharing theirs...the Alert crowd may silence some here but DU is barely a blink in the scheme of the Net Universe.

They cannot silence our voices.

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Response to delrem (Original post)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 05:54 PM

13. Yes, that really sucks.

Wonder what would happen if we all said 'fuck it' and left this place?

It would basically just become an echo chamber then...

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Response to PatrickforO (Reply #13)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 06:06 PM

18. They'd lose 3/4 of the traffic, and the resulting ad revenue that traffic generates.

 

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Response to delrem (Original post)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 06:16 PM

21. Temporary or permanent?

I will add that I am a big fan of Manny's.

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Response to Dustlawyer (Reply #21)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 09:02 PM

59. permanent

 

gone to a better place, too

http://jackpineradicals.org/content.php

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Response to delrem (Original post)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 06:22 PM

23. "Some animals are more equal than others." nt

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Response to delrem (Original post)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 06:24 PM

24. It's Animal Farm.

"All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others."

(Sorry, but your barnyard comments made my mind go there.)

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Response to delrem (Original post)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 06:42 PM

32. I loved Manny's posts!!! gonna miss the humor and the wit.

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Response to delrem (Original post)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 06:51 PM

36. This is not my site and I don't pay to post here anymore

But I protest this ban.

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Response to LaurenG (Reply #36)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 07:09 PM

42. You contribute to the profits w/ every post you make.

As do I. I take the banning as evidence that Hill's chances are diminishing daily and those who have a personal stake in her victory are taking what action they can.

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Response to delrem (Original post)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 07:16 PM

44. I've been here forever, and I've donated forever, and I'm sick of all this shit going on.

I have no idea what I will do the next time a fund drive comes around, or the next time my star membership expires.

I'm voting for Bernie in the primary.

I find it outrageous that discussing who one might vote for in the general PRIOR to us having a candidate somehow makes us disloyal to the party or the site. We're expressing our support for our primary candidate. And we're using hyperbole to do so. Get over it.


DU is going to be an interesting place when Bernie wins the nomination. I expect that if the current behavior on this site continues, that it will collapse right afterwards.

It sucks, but that appears to be the way things will go.

And for those too lazy to look at my profile, suck on it.

Account status: Active
Member since: 2002
Number of posts, all time: 2,489
Number of posts, last 90 days: 166
Favorite forum: Latest Breaking News, 83 posts in the last 90 days (50% of total posts)
Favorite group: Bernie Sanders, 7 posts in the last 90 days (4% of total posts)
Last post: Sat Dec 19, 2015, 03:33 PM

Jury
Willing to serve on Juries: Yes
Eligible to serve on Juries: Yes
Chance of serving on Juries: 100% (explain)

2000 or more total posts: +20
200 or more days of membership: +20
20 or more posts in the last 90 days: +20
Star member: +40
0 posts hidden in 90 days: -0
TOTAL: 100

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Response to delrem (Original post)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 07:18 PM

45. Mannie got banned?

Sometimes it seems that people here underestimate the reach of this forum. I think it is big enough that the DLC has eyes and ears on the whole thing and this is part of the dirty tricks campaign to coronate Hillary.
Sad.

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Response to delrem (Original post)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 07:21 PM

46. Manny should wear it as a badge of honor.

 

We've all got it coming, unless we bend the knee to Herself. Well, fuck that, and fuck her, and fuck her little sycophants.

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Response to delrem (Original post)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 07:30 PM

53. I think the folks upstairs are mowing the lawn to make room for Hillaryites to come in and take over

Its getting tyrannical!

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Response to liberalnarb (Reply #53)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 11:39 PM

62. Can you imagine how devoid the intellectual exchange would be?

Sure signs of it, now...

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Response to delrem (Original post)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 07:43 PM

54. Manny is gone?

I'm stunned. He's a great Democrat. Always look forward to his posts. I don't get how this works at all.

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Response to delrem (Original post)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 08:59 PM

58. Stargleamer, 934 posts, member since July 2003

sometimes I think people here just post to be posting. But that's nevertheless okay. Still, I wish people would put more thought into their posts sometimes.

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Response to delrem (Original post)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 11:22 PM

60. And one of my all-time favorite members: Will Pitt Number of posts: 58,135

Profile Information

Name: William Rivers Pitt
Gender: Male
Hometown: Boston
Member since: 2001
Number of posts: 58,135

The admins are Hillary supporters. All these people banned from this place are Bernie supporters.
Enough said.

PEACE
LOVE
BERNIE

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Response to in_cog_ni_to (Reply #60)

Sun Dec 20, 2015, 02:14 AM

66. They go after some DU posters like they go after Snowden.

Yah, it's all the same crowd. All flying the same ugly banner.

No wonder they hired David Brock. It fits together.

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Response to delrem (Original post)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 11:34 PM

61. I saw Manny's alert stalker to after him hours before that and actually alerted ON that person...

... who, by the way, is now put themselves in a 30 day timeout. That was hours before Manny went to tombstone territory. Coincidence? Who the hell's gonna know?

It may be my complaint, but it sure the hell is Skinner's Board.

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Response to delrem (Original post)

Sun Dec 20, 2015, 01:31 AM

64. Whoa!!! WTF! Somebody's running scared! Bernie wins Iowa & NH, and it's all over for Hillary.

 

Funny that the pic of the day is about fascism...

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Response to delrem (Original post)

Sun Dec 20, 2015, 02:30 AM

67. It is very disturbing. nt

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Response to delrem (Original post)

Sun Dec 20, 2015, 06:44 AM

68. DU is turning into a stage of ANIMAL FARM after the rebellion against

George Bush's election
the main characters



?cb=1379923813









I'm am very upset at his banning and must hold my rant back
but you get my jest.

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