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[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

1. Thanks for the heads-up. An important reminder that folks need to be very careful in following the

ToS to the letter, since there will be those looking to purge any deviation from the acceptable.

[arcane1]

7. Exactly. It sucks, but it was a clear violation n/t

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

9. I didn't see the OP, so all I have to go on is the statement admin put in the ppr notice.

And yes, if he was actually urging people to do so, rather than simply asking about intentions he'd already skated out onto dangerous ice.

[PatrynXX]

89. well I wouldn't urge others to vote against a Conservative Democrat

but I'm not voting for a conservative Democrat. I generally compare this to Republicans in 2012 voting for a Liberal Republican irony..

although there is the teachers union heads supporting Hillary Clinton but the Union members supporting Bernie Sanders. now thats a WTF moment

[merrily]

96. .

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12598967

[merrily]

149. The entire OP consisted of a copy and paste from a liberal website with a link.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/128068973

The website was citizens against plutocracy.

Same for the other post of L0onix that got hidden, except the source was businessinsider and L0onix included comments from that site that appeared after the article.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251546772

L0onix had served on MIRT and had pinned a post in this group warning us to mind our ps and qs

Please take this as a kindly warning.
This discussion thread is pinned.
If you advocate for a third party candidate you will be get the pizza. Bernie or Hillary supporter: if you say you won't vote for the winner of the primary NOW you will be marked (by individuals) as a possible future TOS violator. There is no list. If you say you will not vote for the winner of the primary while we are in the GE you will get the pizza. Watch it ...be safe. If you won't vote for the candidate that wins the primary wait until the candidate is in office before you vent but even then I would not say you did not vote for the candidate. At least then we can compare what goes on to what we believed our choice/Bernie would have done and talk about why our choice/Bernie was the better choice. If Bernie does not win he most certainly will continue to push for what is good for the common people. BTW I am on MIRT so I see what gets posted about potential future TOS violators.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1280&pid=49869

I don't believe for a minute that L0onix thought either post was a TOS violation.

[arcane1]

150. I'm inclined to agree with you, but I understand why the owners cited the TOS

I saw the post as advocating something that, while I may even theoretically agree with it, is technically against the rules to say out loud. Considering the context of DU and what other things the DU staff have been doing, I'm pleasantly surprised this hasn't happened more often.

[merrily]

151. They banned L0onix with no warning for a copy and paste plus link from a liberal website

A star member for 9 years. Hosting and serving on MIRT.

Even if L0onix had advocated signing the pledge, it was described as a primary tactic or strategy; and the pledge is not legally binding anyway. I don't see why a hide was not more than enough.

We may just have to agree to disagree. Going back and forth on this is going to do nothing good for anyone.

[arcane1]

152. We probably agree more than we think, but I'm poor at expressing it here :)

[LiberalArkie]

10. She posted something from someone else urging people to sign a petition. However

she did not advocate it herself and several people down the thread said that they would write in Bernies name. They were not banned however. It would be the same thing as posting something from FoxNews advocating something.

However I have seen in the HRC people saying that they could not vote for that "socialist" if he were the nominee. We all know that seems to not violate the terms.

[PowerToThePeople]

15. This is the truth we live in.

However I have seen in the HRC people saying that they could not vote for that "socialist" if he were the nominee. We all know that seems to not violate the terms.

Justice appears to be unevenly applied where tptb are concerned.

This is why we fight.

#Bernie2016

[LiberalArkie]

18. Yep, we are all just bidding our time.

[wendylaroux]

28. won't vote for a socialist??

what is this,the 50's?

[Pharaoh]

40. yeah to them I say

hows that capitalism working out for the planet!

[merrily]

108. DEMOCRATIC Socialist. They believe in working within the Democratic Party.

He ticks off socialists for that reason.

[wendylaroux]

121. oh! I'm learning

whatever he is,I like him

[merrily]

126. Me, too. You might want to search DU for posts about Democratic Socialists. Ive written 2 or 3 and

others have as well. Some say he should really call himself a Social Democrat, but I doubt he is going to do that and I don't see the point of competing with his own description of himself.

[wendylaroux]

127. Thank you merrily

[merrily]

130. You're very welcome. Mine were in the Populist Group, which has been slow since the Bernie

Group opened for business. They might be right on the first three or four pages. Actually, the first one may have been in the Bernie Group. I suggest doing an advanced search with dates since June 1, 2015.

[merrily]

100. No one gets a hide or a ban unless someone alerts. We tend to alert less, then complain about

unequal application. They tend to alert more, then complain about unequal application. I say, let's be more like that.

[artislife]

196. I have never alerted

But there is a season, turn turn turn...

[merrily]

201. Written by USA national treasure Pete Seeger and King Solomon (or whoever wrote Ecclesiastes)

I like tracing songs. My gift to an artist. I hope you enjoy it.



Presenting for your viewing and listening pleasure, singer/songwriter Seeger, singing it at age 93 and, according to you tube, adding 5 new verses; and then Broooooooce Springsteen, singing it with Roger McGuinn of the Byrds, who did the original arrangement, with the E Street band (of Asbury Park, NJ) and last, but not least, the original lyrics and their full context

Ecclesiastes, Chapter 3, King James Version

1 To every thing there is a season, and a time to every purpose under the heaven:

2 A time to be born, and a time to die; a time to plant, and a time to pluck up that which is planted;

3 A time to kill, and a time to heal; a time to break down, and a time to build up;

4 A time to weep, and a time to laugh; a time to mourn, and a time to dance;

5 A time to cast away stones, and a time to gather stones together; a time to embrace, and a time to refrain from embracing;

6 A time to get, and a time to lose; a time to keep, and a time to cast away;

7 A time to rend, and a time to sew; a time to keep silence, and a time to speak;

8 A time to love, and a time to hate; a time of war, and a time of peace.

9 What profit hath he that worketh in that wherein he laboureth?

10 I have seen the travail, which God hath given to the sons of men to be exercised in it.

11 He hath made every thing beautiful in his time: also he hath set the world in their heart, so that no man can find out the work that God maketh from the beginning to the end.

12 I know that there is no good in them, but for a man to rejoice, and to do good in his life.

13 And also that every man should eat and drink, and enjoy the good of all his labour, it is the gift of God.

14 I know that, whatsoever God doeth, it shall be for ever: nothing can be put to it, nor any thing taken from it: and God doeth it, that men should fear before him.

15 That which hath been is now; and that which is to be hath already been; and God requireth that which is past.

16 And moreover I saw under the sun the place of judgment, that wickedness was there; and the place of righteousness, that iniquity was there.

17 I said in mine heart, God shall judge the righteous and the wicked: for there is a time there for every purpose and for every work.

18 I said in mine heart concerning the estate of the sons of men, that God might manifest them, and that they might see that they themselves are beasts.

19 For that which befalleth the sons of men befalleth beasts; even one thing befalleth them: as the one dieth, so dieth the other; yea, they have all one breath; so that a man hath no preeminence above a beast: for all is vanity.

20 All go unto one place; all are of the dust, and all turn to dust again.

21 Who knoweth the spirit of man that goeth upward, and the spirit of the beast that goeth downward to the earth?

22 Wherefore I perceive that there is nothing better, than that a man should rejoice in his own works; for that is his portion: for who shall bring him to see what shall be after him?

[senz]

207. Nice.

Pete Seeger would most certainly be a Bernie supporter. And that makes me feel good. It's like there's a thread through time, and we're on it with all these wonderful people. And it's good. It's good.

[merrily]

209. Thanks.

Yes, I do believe that Seeger, the man of peace, the union man, the populist, would have supported Sanders.

We know he supported Occupy Wall Street because he went to NY and stood with them. He started out supporting Obama, but later protested at the White House. Worked from World War II until he was in his 90s for so many good causes: unions, poor people, peace, civil rights, the environment. He also traveled the word, recording--I think movies--folk music in many countries. Now, his archives may be the only place those songs exist. Just a giant.

It's like there's a thread through time, and we're on it with all these wonderful people. And it's good. It's good.

Melissa Harris Perry speaks of how, when she was a young child, her father signed her birthday cards, "The struggle continues." Things may not happen in five minutes or five years or fifty. But the struggle continues. And involved in that struggle are these wonderful people. One of them is Theodore Parker, an abolitionist who did not live to see abolition. August 24, 1810 – May 10, 1860

Frances P. Cobbe collected and published Parker's writings in 14 volumes. In a speech delivered in 1850, Parker used the phrase, "A democracy — of all the people, by all the people, for all the people;"[56] which later influenced the wording of Abraham Lincoln's Gettysburg Address. (Parker himself might have developed his phrase from John Wycliffe's prologue to the first English translation of the Bible.)[57][58] Parker predicted the inevitable success of the abolitionist cause this way:

"I do not pretend to understand the moral universe; the arc is a long one, my eye reaches but little ways; I cannot calculate the curve and complete the figure by the experience of sight; I can divine it by conscience. And from what I see I am sure it bends towards justice."[59]

A century later, Martin Luther King, Jr. paraphrased these words to great effect in his famous "Where Do We Go From Here?" speech of August 1967 to the Southern Christian Leadership Conference, when he said, "The arc of the Moral Universe Is long, but It bends toward Justice".

In 1963, Betty Friedan's influential best seller, The Feminine Mystique, believed to have sparked the 1960s and 70s women's movement, bore the following epigraph from Theodore Parker:

"The domestic function of the woman does not exhaust her powers... To make one half of the human race consume its energies in the functions of housekeeper, wife and mother is a monstrous waste of the most precious material God ever made&quot 1853).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theodore_Parker

I recommend reading the entire wiki. It's interesting and inspirational.

[senz]

221. Thank you for this, merrily.

I will spend time on Theodore Parker a little later, in a more contemplative mood, because I can tell he deserves the time and concentration.

I appreciate your broadening my horizons (they can get rather obsessively narrow at times). You have such an active mind; it's almost dizzying for me, and I'm somewhat "all over the place."

It's a gift, merrily, use it wisely.

[merrily]

223. What a lovely compliment! Thank you so much, senz.

Yes, Parker seems to have been a giant. It was your comment about a long thread with wonderful people all along it that made me think of him and his long moral arc of the universe. MLK "borrowed" that from him and Obama "borrowed" from MLK (I assume).

I wasn't trying to broaden your horizons, though. I was simply indulging myself. Sometimes, I am not sleepy, but too tired for physical effort. That's when I may cosy up with Mr. Google and get into copy and paste posts. No biggie.

I know your view on this, but you really are so much better than your own descriptions of yourself. I wish you could appreciate your own mind and your own humor as much as I do. You are funny, smart, courageous--so many good things. Anyway, I think you're a human treasure. So there!

[LiberalArkie]

94. Doesn't make any difference really as we are on someone else server.

[Autumn]

110. She can't respond. I have blocked her from this group

Bernie is running in this primary for the Democratic nomination, the Democratic party has accepted him as a candidate. To all intents and purposes he is a Democrat in this primary. We have no need to have that argued here in our group and that will not be tolerated.

[KoKo]

136. Thank you, Autumn...

that's much appreciated. Considering the source of that post who has had multiple "Time Outs" we don't need gloating over here in this Group about an unfortunate circumstance with a good Progressive whose been out here working for Dem Party reform who just had

Posting Privileges Revoked. which used to be reserved for "TROLLs" and not for Long Time "Regulars."

[merrily]

93. It violates the terms, but we don't alert on it. I say we start. All of us.

[LiberalArkie]

95. I plan on it. I do not alert on Bravenak. She is a good person.

[merrily]

97. Very obviously, you will include and omit whoever you want and each of us will do the same.

Different posters interact differently with different people and we all have our individual opinions of each other.

Many of us have seen things from this site and from hillarysupporters.com that were posted on this site about Bernie and his supporters that help us shape our opinions, too.

[merrily]

107. Excellent distinction, thanks. Showing us a pledge exists is not urging us to sign a pledge.

[glinda]

241. I have heard about the push for that petition outside of DU. Not good.

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

14. If it comes to that, my ignore list will be permanent, rather than temporary. nt

[DonCoquixote]

38. nods

especially as they know they can treat the TOS like a toothless watchdog and still get away with it.

[brentspeak]

87. You know how many times some of the Hillary-bots and some others have

violated ToS -- and repeatedly?

Funny how they're still here. Including the Mosanto shills, the TPP shills, and, most tellingly, the guy who trolls the boards using the the avatar of a former SCTV cast member.

[Kalidurga]

170. Some of the Hillary supporters the ones who blindly follow and hang on her every word...

take exception to that characterization.


On Thu Nov 5, 2015, 12:32 AM an alert was sent on the following post:

You know how many times some of the Hillary-bots and some others have
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1280&pid=69274

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Calling Democrats bots and shills and implicitly advocating other members be banned is a clear violation of DU rules. It also makes this pace suck!!!

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Thu Nov 5, 2015, 12:43 AM, and the Jury voted 3-4 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Oh really and this is worse than Hillary supporters constantly throwing around the term sexist all the while shouting down men just because they are men I mean really men MANSPLAIN things, there views are dismissed just like that. I am tired of it. Start talking and stop stalking.
Juror #2 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Yeah, sick of it.
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Why is the Alerter in a PROTECTED GROUP in the first place? Leave it and I suggest the Alerter keep to the Forums and keep out of the Groups.
Juror #4 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #6 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: This is META. Either alert on specific posts or make use of ATA.
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

[haikugal]

2. I'm sorry to see it....

Thanks for letting us know.

[LiberalArkie]

3. And I have the same thing from a DU member that would not vote for a socialist ever.

[LiberalArkie]

53. Bravenak, you know that is how Bernie is thought of. Just like in 2008 Obama was "THAT" man.

[LiberalArkie]

58. Well he is a registered Democratic Party member now. My viewpoints happen to be far to the

left of his.

I believe that there should be public hospitals every major city and public health branches in smaller rural towns. (used to have those)

I believe that the electric companies should be public.

I believe that the water systems should be public.

I believe that we should have public banks.

I believe we should have public internet.

And of course the original ERA. (A lot of my friends burned bras back then much to my enjoyment)

[LiberalArkie]

66. I think the way the parties are: since he personally went to NH and presented his petitions to be

on the Democratic Party ballot and paid the filing fee, that makes him as much of a Democratic Party member as a person in Arkansas who has never done anything before getting the petitions signed and driving to Little Rock and paying the filing fee and running as a Democratic Party member. Back when the local committees would pick someone to run and pay for the campaign, they naturally always picked card carrying dues paying members to run. I don't even know if they do that anymore.

So the short answer I guess would be "I guess he is". I will find somewhere to ask.

[Autumn]

69. She will not be responding. I have blocked her from this group eom

[edgineered]

113. Bravo! nt

[840high]

119. Thank you.

[bvf]

125. WTG!

[merrily]

132. I posted to her before I saw this. I just self-deleted my post.

[senz]

204. You do a good job of keeping this group safe for us.

I appreciate it, Autumn. Thank you.

[senz]

220. Everything you say there should be part of the national discussion.

If our democracy were functioning as it should, we would see these discussions on TV and hear them on the radio. These are issues and ideas that the people should understand, discuss, and weigh in on. If the government and the media respected the public, it would be happening. We are, after all, the citizens of this great country.

BTW, Bernie worked to add Community Health Centers into the ACA. They're called Federally Qualified Health Centers (FQHCs). One of the wonderful things he has done.

My preliminary web search seems to be mainly bringing up pdf documents, for some reason.

http://www.nachc.com/client/NACHC%20Letter%20to%20Veterans'%20Committee%20Conferees%207.07.14.pdf

http://www.nachc.com/client/documents/Sanders-Senator-Final.pdf

[RKP5637]

4. Saddened to see this happened. n/t

[MissDeeds]

5. Massive censorship

of anything that is not 100% pro HRH. We've lost a lot of good people here because they dared to speak out for Bernie Sanders, the other Democratic candidate. Some "Democratic" website.

Ban me, I don't give a rat's ass. This place is a sham. I'm freaking done!

Bye!!!!

[rhett o rick]

29. Please stay and fight. You are playing into their hands if you quit. Put them on ignore. nm

[bvf]

47. I don't post a lot,

Last edited Thu Nov 5, 2015, 01:00 AM - Edit history (1)

but I've seen (and have been a target of, I'm told) shit around here that had me thinking likewise.

Reconsider!

[merrily]

153. NO! Please don't leave. I would miss you so much.

[saturnsring]

6. Posted a thread urging DU members to sign a pledge stating that they will not vote for the Democrati

Posted a thread urging DU members to sign a pledge stating that they will not vote for the Democratic nominee for president if the nominee is someone other than their chosen primary candidate

what about the people who were with l0onix should get ppr'd as well they posted the same desire

a different poster posted the pledge as well in the same thread

[senz]

16. Try to hurt as many people as you can, dear.

Hillary would love you for it.

[merrily]

155. I don't know about Hillary, but I thought that post entirely inappropriate for this group.

It was great our host got banned and too bad more Bernie supporters didn't get banned too? In the Bernie Group?

[senz]

184. I was being extremely sarcastic, merrily.

That comment pissed me off royally and I was trying to get in a dig or two. I can't believe how much I miss L0oniX.

[merrily]

222. Oh, senz, I didn't mean your post was inappropriate. I meant the post to which you responded

didn't belong in this group. All your posts belong in this group!

[marym625]

176. they've been blocked

Autumn got to it before I did

[Autumn]

218. They can't respond they are blocked from the group. New posters. Wonder how long they

have been a democrat?

[Fawke Em]

21. I suspect that's going to happen regardless of whether someone

posts it on a message board.

Lack of enthusiasm and knowledge that voting for that other candidate will only result in killing off the middle class a bit more slowly makes people do things like not vote or not vote for one of the major parties.

After all, both parties have been shedding registered party members like freshly-flea-dipped dogs.

Should tell you something.

[merrily]

156. "shedding registered party members like freshly-flea-dipped dogs." shed fleas?

Whatever. I love the analogy!

[rhett o rick]

23. I don't think it's very Democratic to seek to purge all those that don't agree with you. nm

[restorefreedom]

26. clinton has never been a beacon of democratic ideals

so this is not unexpected, sad though it is.

line up and pledge or see ya seems to be the theme

[rhett o rick]

34. The Oligarchy should be concerned because the masses following Sen Sanders are doing so

because they want an end to the corrupt big money machines that run the Democratic Leadership and they will not take kindly to an unfair Clinton victory. In 2000 the Democratic Leadership took grass-roots people for granted and ran Gore. Too many people didn't want more of Clinton/Gore DLC Administration and either stayed home or voted for Nader. It wasn't Nader's fault, he was doing a perfectly legal campaign. But the Oligarchy run Democratic Leadership said Gore or bust (read Bush). They are saying the same today. Clinton or bust. They will lose the GEn.

[restorefreedom]

43. the days of money rule are coming to an end imo

whether or not bernie gets the nom or wins the ge. the veil has been lifted and people will not go back.

[senz]

205. This is so true.

We seem to have the traits of the candidate we support. Which, for us Bernie supporters, is wonderfully flattering.

[restorefreedom]

214. i would like to be more like bernie, working on it :) nt

[merrily]

157. small d no. Cap D today, not so sure. Stepford Wives comes to mind.

Meanwhile, 20, give or take, in the clown car.

Used to be the Republican Party were the Stepfords, the ones who waited their turn, then got it, the ones in lockstep, etc.. I guess the Party PTB thought the Republican Way looked better.

[rhett o rick]

159. My take is that it's authoritarianism. We've raised a couple of generataions of authoritarians.

They love strong, tough leaders that kick ass and kick ass. HRC couldn't help herself when she saw her good friend George Bush wanted to kick ass in Iraq so she went along. The authoritarians among us are willing to sacrifice our freedoms and liberties to have a tough leader.

[merrily]

160. Tough leader does not = follower. Just sayin'

[rhett o rick]

161. There are various levels of authoritarians. Each worships the higher and bullies the lower. nm

[merrily]

162. No one higher in this country than POTUS.

[rhett o rick]

163. That's a matter of opinion. I think the NSA/CIA is higher. nm

[merrily]

165. I love you rhett, but I can't follow you there, not tonight.

[senz]

224. Oh I wish that were true.

But if you look at the power and pull of the big transnational corporations that control financial, human, and natural resources the world over, and the corporate media that knows how to control the electorate (though social media now gives them a run for their money), you will see that POTUS, just like our elected representatives, must consider the wishes of the oligarchs before taking any action of consequence. TPP is the most current, and obvious, example of transnational corporate power over the presidency, and Hillary's bogus "win" in the debates is a good example of the MSMs control over the electorate.

Bernie, and we, are looking at a steep, steep uphill battle. He knows he can't do it without our active support in great numbers, both before and after the election.

[merrily]

230. All the more reason not to have someone who leads from behind in that position,

which was my point. I have a feeling you agree.

[Marty McGraw]

83. Must Purge

All those Who think the same way!

Very happy world you aspire to live with

[merrily]

154. No. L0onix didn't urge diddly. The entire post was a copy and paste from another website.

You should not be posting here at all and you especially should not be posting mischaracterizations about the banning of a group host here on the day of the banning.

[retrowire]

8. What?!

Oh man.

This sucks.

Is it impossible to just... make another account?

[TBF]

37. Sometimes that happens -

On MIRT I saw returnees and sometimes it's allowed. And sometimes not - especially if it is deemed to be someone with only intent to disrupt (IPs can be flagged, people are often recognized by posting style).

Obviously it's going to be up to the owners of the site and I think it is now crystal clear where that line is drawn (at least for primaries). I'd expect it to be even more boldly drawn during the time leading up to the general election.

This is nothing new. The 2008 primaries were bitter here.

[Marty McGraw]

85. Come now...

.. You think anyone of integrity is going to answer you on that?

[PowerToThePeople]

12. ...

[Autumn]

13. Thank you for letting us know. eom

[azurnoir]

17. ditto Zavulon

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=profile&uid=193842&sub=trans

[cui bono]

20. So? They had 1 post.

[azurnoir]

41. in the last 90 days

About Zavulon

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Member since: Tue Aug 22, 2006, 11:19 AM
Number of posts: 5,639
Number of posts, last 90 days: 1
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Favorite group: NA
Last post: Wed Nov 4, 2015, 12:14 AM

Jury
Willing to serve on Juries: Yes
Eligible to serve on Juries: Yes
Chance of serving on Juries: 41% (explain)


Hosting
Zavulon is not currently hosting any forums or groups.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=profile&uid=193842

[cui bono]

42. Still don't know who they are... why did you bring them up?

[azurnoir]

52. they were a long time +5000 post DUer who got ppred

for reasons similar to LOoNix , that's why

[cui bono]

134. I see.

The name doesn't ring a bell.

[Catherina]

103. Zavalon was a great poster. Went the way of L0oniX. How sad n/t

[haikugal]

129. Slowly but surely they will get rid of us, another purge.

How many excellent posters have we seen haunted, shadowed and baited into getting banned? Too many over the years.

[merrily]

164. Transparency said the poster asked to be banned.

[azurnoir]

167. check the post it's the only 1 he made in the last 90 days

[merrily]

169. I can't find it. Link?

[azurnoir]

171. click view posts on the transparency page

[merrily]

173. I thought I did that. I'll try again.

[azurnoir]

174. or try his profile page either way it works

the post was not hidden

[merrily]

175. If he did ask to get banned, though....?

[azurnoir]

177. only because you requested a link and seem to having a fair deal of trouble understanding how to

find the post here

Zavulon (5,639 posts)
297. I won't vote for Hillary under any circumstances.

My boss is a conservative who voted for Obama in 2008 out of spite. He said "If the GOP has nothing better to offer us than McCain and expects us to vote for that piece of shit just because the other guy is worse, I'll vote for the other guy with a smile on my face and both my middle fingers extended to the Republican party."

That's exactly how I feel about Hillary. I'll vote for any Democrat except her. If she's the nominee, I'll vote for the GOP candidate out of spite (yes, even if it's Trump or Bush), because if she gets nominated we'll have hit a point where I won't have a preferred party anymore. I can't support a party that would nominate her and expect us to support that. As a Virginia resident I'm having enough trouble tolerating Terry MacAuliffe as it is.

I EXPECT the Republicans to nominate an asshole. I won't tolerate the same from Democrats, and will no longer put up with "This is the most important election of our lifetime, blah, blah, blah, and even though we don't give a rat's ass about you, you need to vote for any piece of shit we shove in your faces because their guy is worse!" They can nominate anyone except Hillary and I'll be glad to vote for the Dem candidate. But if it's Hillary, I'm going to treat the party with the same contempt they'd be showing me by nominating her.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=7314455

[merrily]

178. I read his post before my last post. I get where he was. But the banning is a separate issue.

He does not seem to have been banned, except to the extent he requested to be. In that respect, it's not like L00nix, though both are gone.

[azurnoir]

180. I see , sorry you did not indicate in your post that you had read it

[merrily]

185. No worries. A good while back, someone asked to be banned and Skinner told to them to mess up their

password and then log out. But you can still log in with your user name and request a password. So, if your issue is addiction and will power, I don't think that works.

However, it's good to know that Skinner may comply with a request to be banned.

[azurnoir]

186. actually it was EarlG

[azurnoir]

188. ?????

[merrily]

189. OK, what was EarlG? Put another way, in your sentence, what is "it" standing for?

[azurnoir]

190. banning but I went and checked you're right it was Skinner

[merrily]

192. There is a famous banning I've read about

many times. A poster saying "Ban me right fucking now" or something like that. And Skinner banned him on the spot. Or so the story goes.

[azurnoir]

193. rings a bell but I can't remember who it was

[merrily]

194. 1 more post and I'm done tonight. Have a great whatever is left of the night.

In fact, have a great everything.

[azurnoir]

195. Thanks and you too

[merrily]

202. LOL! Thank you. That's priceless and perfect.

[Dragonfli]

19. Once the Admins chose sides, the thinning of the herd was expected

I remember the purges of '08, mostly of gay friends.

This is not surprising to me and why I no longer post here.

[restorefreedom]

22. if it were evenly applied, that would be one thing

but it is clear that the powers everywhere are aligned to force a corporate hawk on us.

we own our votes but will have to be careful as to how we talk about it

[SoapBox]

24. Yes.

[TBF]

39. Hang in there

and know that Bernie has many supporters. If you don't have accounts already at Twitter and Reddit this is a good time to get involved and see all the people who want Bernie.

Politics being what it is ... we know our chances are slim.

But, yes, this is a website in which the owners have been very clear about their TOS so we are warned.

[restorefreedom]

48. i have seen some good stuff on reddit

will have to check out twittter

i think his support is underreported for obvious reasons

how nice it will be when the iowa returns come in and they are for bernie!

[cui bono]

44. When self-admitted alert stalkers are allowed to serve on MIRT there is a problem with the admin.

It's clear as day. Also, every Clinton Caver should be... meh, it'll never happen, but since when do we allow TeaBagger types to continue posting on here?

[polly7]

56. Why the lol?

Some of us have screenshots?

And of much, much more ...................

[Qutzupalotl]

112. May be time to update your sig line, huh?

[cui bono]

124. And take away a chance to smear Bernie?

Nah, that's no fun.

Saying Bernie is not a Democrat is the equivalent of saying Benghazi.

[merrily]

197. Bernie has been a Democrat since at least May 2015.

Please see this post and the material linked in this post.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1280&pid=69318

[grasswire]

109. Yes, MIRT membership is a problem

And remember this.

The admins own the site, but we the people provide all the content that keeps people coming here.

A site would be nothing without its contributors.

[totodeinhere]

144. I'm not going to be careful what I say. I will say what I want and if there are

consequences then so be it. The world doesn't revolve around this site. And there are plenty of other places where I can voice support for Bernie.

[restorefreedom]

146. that is true. he has very active online support. nt

[marym625]

219. Sure are

I'm used to du. I've made friends here, both online friends, as much as they can be when you're only writing words on a screen, but in real life as well.

In meeting, some would be absolutely shocked at the reality of who is behind certain personas. But they're true to their beliefs.

I've been out there in the real world, talking to people. While the county I'm in is predominantly liberal, the city I'm in has a great deal of conservatives. I've met quite a few people who have changed their registration, from undeclared or republican, to Democrat, to be able to vote for Bernie Sanders because they're sick of the oligarchs. I've met more than a few people who were previously Hillary supporters that refuse to vote for her in the primary, or, dog forbid, the ge.

Money in politics is one of the biggest issues for so very many people. People who know that nothing will change with the status quo being elected into office.

Almost every person who is part of a minority group around here supports Bernie Sanders because of his record on civil rights. They know he has been a leader and advocate for minorities for decades.

[Stardust]

242. Your unwavering optimism is such a joy, marym625.

[marym625]

244. oh thank you!

[SoapBox]

30. They made their candidate decision months ago.

And it was announced, if I recall.

[Dragonfli]

65. I was aware, I have not been around much for months

[wendylaroux]

33. yup,pretty bad.

what can ya gonna do?

[hootinholler]

102. Maybe skinner will be along to mend fences later n/t

[Fearless]

231. Yeeeouch!

Just commenting to show someone got the reference.

[hootinholler]

232. I was a mod when that happened

It was fucking epic.

[senz]

106. I don't understand why a Democratic site

would be picking on gays. Makes no sense. Does not compute.

[Dragonfli]

142. It was at the end because many did not like Rick Warren, openly (with good reason IMO)

but mostly because many were vocal in their displeasure of Dem candidates ignoring their issues, or as was the case with Hillary and Obama, their similar if distinct anti-gay marriage stance at the time (with varying degrees of support for "unions" as an alternative.)

There were those in both camps that just wanted them to shut up - many were made to against their wishes.

Surely you have not forgotten how DU was then?

[senz]

181. No, I don't remember

because I joined DU several years ago when I had less free time and couldn't get past the unusual format and so never got in the habit of commenting. It's funny to look back now, as I thought DU was just sort of silly with all the +1s and K&Rs and smilies and assumed there weren't serious discussions. I never even noticed you all were squabbling with each other. But I listened to the Thom Hartmann show regularly, liked and admired Senator Sanders, and when he decided to run for president, decided I wanted to discuss him with other Democrats, so came back here in, I think, July, posted a sincere comment about my reluctance to support Hillary, got my first hide and was swiftly banned from the Hillary group. This was before I knew there were "groups." Was also called "patronizing" and "sexist," which still amazes me. There is an incredible amount of prickliness here, more than I've seen on any other online forum. Taking umbrage seems to be the preferred style of some.

After getting acclimated, I heard stories about previous epic battles. It's especially weird that some of Hillary's staunch supporters hated her in 2008; I can't imagine what could change their minds so drastically.

And it does surprise me that people here would be anti-gay. To me, liberal means live and let live, especially with regard to those who are different from ourselves. The desire to boss, control, judge and exclude others seems distinctly rightwing to me, but for some here it appears to be the norm. I wish there were some way the admins could discourage it, but I picture them exhausted and oppressed by all the internal wars.

If the Rick Warren thing was a reaction to Obama's asking him to give a prayer at a government function, I took that as Obama's attempt to make peace on both sides of the aisle. I considered it a naive but well-meaning gesture. Never for a second thought it meant Obama agreed with Warren's views. Obama hoped he could be a uniter; he had no idea what he was up against. I find it easy to sympathize with Obama; he inherited a pile of shit and hoped to do great things. The Republican hatred for him has been insane. I feel sorry for him.

I love your wiggly dragon fly. Animated sig lines are cool, and I'll certainly miss L0oniX's crawling bug as well as his crazy cat. It seems profoundly wrong that he was banned. I wish they'd change their minds.

You got a lot more than you asked for, didn't you, dragonfli? Sorry.

[merrily]

166. I miss you greatly, Dragonfli. I was not here, but read about those purges on other message boards.

Must have been awful.

[coolepairc]

79. I'm new here (this time)

Could someone help with the TOS here. Say someone's a lifelong Dem, (former) committee member, that is supporting Bernie in the primaries but has already decided she will vote either Bernie or Green in the general. Is this person welcome to comment freely here or should she go elsewhere? Thanks for your help! x

[Marty McGraw]

86. Ha!

This time, as compared to 'Last Time' (2008). That Purification process proved somewhat brutal

[merrily]

168. All 1000 of them?

j/k

[SoapBox]

27. Well...a chilling effect on any opposition?

When we are told we, as Americans, will vote as told...that's scary stuff.

[senz]

31. It was announced at the bottom of a charming thread

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251765743

[SoapBox]

54. I finally had to put the writer of that OP on Full Ignore.

I simply cannot take their posts any longer.

Remember...you will do as they say...and you have no choice.

How Democratic and American.

[frylock]

72. I just did the same..

my ignore list has grown exponentially over the last few days.

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

61. So basically, if you 'convince' admins that you actually mean it when you say you won't vote

for HRH even if she's the nominee, even if it's NOT during the primary season, they're still going to ban you.

Not quite how the ToS seems to read to me, but if that's the way admins interpret it...

I'm actually amazed more of us haven't been vanished.

But what happens if Bernie gets the nomination? Do all of the Sanders supporters banned for proclaiming they wouldn't vote for Hillary get invited back, since they now wouldn't be in danger of not voting for the nominee, it being a moot hypothetical from an alternate universe?

[SoapBox]

62. "But what happens if Bernie gets the nomination?"

Expect to hear...I will NOT vote for him...he's not a "real" Democrat!

[cui bono]

133. Someone used to have basically that in their sig.

Until they decided to use that space against a specific DUer.

[retrowire]

115. Yeah, I feel like banning people

before the primary decision is made is a bit... too much.

Those passionate people may end up being right and then who ends up looking like a butthole?

[bluestateguy]

32. Remember the cries of "Dean or Green!" in 2004?

(I'm not saying he said that, but some Duers did)

[bunnies]

35. I just saw that. That fucking sucks.

10 fucking years should at least earn a person a warning.

[Flying Squirrel]

105. They like to do that once in awhile...

Make an example of a longtime DUer just to remind people they can and will. It's effective I suppose.

[bunnies]

145. Didnt it just happen though?

To another long time DUer Bernie supporter? Seems like Hillary supporters get the time out and Bernie supporters get the hammer. Am I wrong?

[Flying Squirrel]

147. Oh, I'm not saying I approve.

Yes, they've been pretty draconian where a time-out would've sufficed, and the fact that they openly support HRC isn't helping things at all.

[840high]

123. That's what I thought. Not fair.

[NRaleighLiberal]

36. sad to see. n/t

[polly7]

51. Wow. This sucks! I really like L0onix. :( nt.

[Marty McGraw]

88. Me Too

One of the Better Posters Around here and will leave my eyes 'ringing' without seeing posts from this wonderful individual

[merrily]

172. How could you not?

[polly7]

211. Exactly.

Sad over this.

[abelenkpe]

57. Bummer.

😕

[dreamnightwind]

59. Damn, IMHO Loonix was one of the best

Sad to see the PPR on a 4 - 3 vote.

I often play a game with my vote, where, when the Dem candidate is one I don't support (Feinstein for example), I check polls to see if the Republican opponent has any chance (I live in a very blue district in California so in my case the Demo is almost always safe) and write in a name of someone I actually do support when the Dem is safe. I guess advocating for others to do so, or to do so whether or not the Dem is safe, is where the line must be.

If we want to do that there are other sites to do that on. Myself, I'm still working to reclaim the Democratic Party for the people rather than the corporations.

R.I.P. Loonix, I hope you are allowed back, play within the rules, your excellent work fighting the good fight is invaluable.

[KoKo]

140. ...! One of the Best......for sure...

[bvf]

63. Thanks for the info.

Didnt see the post, but L0onix probably had enough of the Clinton Loyalty Oath crap and was saying, in effect, "enough of this."

Anything afoot to get this member back, or is it a lost cause?

[coolepairc]

92. No, it's not a lost cause

What can we (or I) do?

[bvf]

128. I don't know.

That's why I asked.

I get the sense from upthread that this sort of thing isn't easily reversed, but I'd be happy to apply my effort. L0onix is a good voice here and doesn't deserve this.

[coolepairc]

131. I can do something

I just recently rejoined so have very little to lose, unlike some others. I don't know what exactly but if you or anyone has a suggestion, I can follow through.

[Mnpaul]

158. About the Clinton loyalty oath

The decision of the DNC diminished the significance of the Michigan Democratic Primary.[1] On October 9, 2007, following Michigan's breach of DNC rules, Barack Obama, Bill Richardson, Joe Biden, and John Edwards withdrew from the Michigan Democratic Primary ballot.[8] Dennis Kucinich unsuccessfully sought to remove his name from the ballot.[9] Hillary Rodham Clinton and Christopher Dodd decided to remain on the ballot.[10] Although Clinton said she would honor a pledge that she and the other Democratic candidates had earlier made to refrain from campaigning or participating in Michigan,[10] Clinton and Dodd drew sharp criticism from Biden, who stated that the two candidates had "chosen to hedge their bets" and had "abandoned Democrats in Iowa, Nevada, New Hampshire, and South Carolina" by staying on the ballot.[10][11]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michigan_Democratic_primary,_2008

Shove that in their face if they want to talk about party loyalty

[wilsonbooks]

64. Sad news.

DU will be a much smaller website if they continue to ban long time members.

[bunnies]

67. And TM99 is on time-out again?

What the hell?!

[historylovr]

68. That stinks.

[daleanime]

70. Not even going to wait for the nomination?

[LuvNewcastle]

71. Loonix is one of my favorites!

This fucking sucks. There's a lot more I'd like to say about this, but I'm going to leave at at this for now.

[bahrbearian]

73. Big Tent

[Omaha Steve]

74. Thanks for posting

We lost a Bernie Group host. I saw the post and didn't think anything of it.

This from the guy that has two locks removed from my record today.

OS

[TheFarS1de]

75. Nothing like stiffling opinion ....

Is it a permanent ban or just a time out ? I enjoyed reading L0onix's post's , I hope they are back soon.

[merrily]

76. Yes, I just read Bainbane's post on this on another thread and had copied the link

to start a thread here. http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=766637 I'm glad someone was quicker than I.

I am so very sorry about this.

Statistics and Information
Account status: Posting privileges revoked
Member since: Sat Mar 4, 2006, 11:49 PM
Number of posts: 31,493
Number of posts, last 90 days: 1062
Favorite forum: General Discussion: Primaries, 593 posts in the last 90 days (56% of total posts)
Favorite group: Bernie Sanders, 239 posts in the last 90 days (23% of total posts)
Last post: Wed Nov 4, 2015, 02:44 PM

DUer for nine years and a host of this group. I have a feeling the request for a pledge to vote only for Bernie was simply a reaction to over a year of hectoring on this board about voting for Hillary if she is the nominee. It's a shame L0onix didn't make it to the primaries. He or she probably would have come around.

Another sad lesson about not getting baiting into getting hidden or banned, Beloveds.

[ozone_man]

77. No way! He is a true gem.

Maybe the terms of service need to change with times. Or is DU hopelessly corporate center?

[azmom]

78. That's messed up. Not even a warning for such

a long time member, doesn't seem fair.

[jfern]

138. We know things aren't fair despite the bullies playing the victim card over and over again

[bbgrunt]

80. she will be missed. One of my favorites.

[Enthusiast]

81. I am very disappointed to hear of this.

[Warren Stupidity]

82. a reminder: don't take the bait.

[brentspeak]

84. Second time in past few months a banning was fast-tracked

of a DU member who clearly isn't on the New Dem side of things. Not even a warning; just a total ban.

[KoKo]

141. Longer than that....

Long Time DU'er and Moderator for Years on "DU 2'..."NYC_SKP"...PPRD last Summer. Just for an unfortunate reply about Hillary's Campaign kick off speech...without a Time Out or Warning.

Others, here, have had Multiple "Time Outs" for trashing fellow DU'ers, PM Threats and other things...yet they keep coming back over and over to do more mischief.

It does seem to be a bit OTT. But, then we are just "Contributors" to the Site and Not Owners. It's their's to do what they want...yet...the place has become a Community and that has Value for the Owners....so it's hard to understand the current "goings on."

[merrily]

191. I wish you would have posted more.

I have a post of yours bookmarked. It kept me going for a long, long time.

I wish you all the best.

[bkkyosemite]

90. I've had two posts hidden in the last week. I've only been back for a couple of weeks.

Things have really changed here this time around. I was here when voting and canvassing for Obama. I only have come here now and then since then.

One post (the first hidden) I did word incorrectly. I know that Hillary's daughter is best friends with Trump's daughter, I know both are elites and really are not with the average American, at least that is what I feel. I will not repeat what I said in that post, but it was worded incorrectly by using a word I should not have used to explain my feelings for both candidates. The word did not correctly explain what I meant.

The post today was a pledge about voting for Bernie as a write in. I thought it was okay to post. I really did! I'm not as political savvy as others on here. I did not have a complete understanding about the write in scenario. I really thought it's okay to write someone in and especially if it's a Democrat. I had not read that part of the TOS and it had been years since I read it. I am not understanding this as of yet but I guess what they are saying is that we must vote for the Democratic nominee and not just either Democrat. I will vote for Bernie. If HRC is the nominee my conscious will not allow me to vote for her. I feel she is not truthful. Everyone should have a right to vote the way they feel not the way a site says they must. If that is the case then I will gladly go as I do not want to be on a site that says you will be banned if you don't vote the way the site wants you to. Hillary supporters constantly on this board the last two weeks I've been on here blatantly say negative things about Bernie Sanders and every poll that comes out they say she is winning and he is losing every day there are several. It's like rubbing it rudely in Bernie supporters faces. I did nothing wrong. I told what I felt. I will vote for who I think is the best person for the job. I will not vote for someone I do not trust. ("I remember landing under sniper fire" "There was supposed to be some kind of a greeting ceremony" "but instead we just ran with our heads down to get into the vehicles to get to our base&quot

[MerryBlooms]

91. Oh my gosh. :(

For sure I didn't always agree with L0onix, but man, definitely always a must-read member regardless. Wow, 10 years, and 'poof', eliminated.

I knew a while back the bans were coming and cautioned folks to be careful, but my post was hidden as 'conspiracy theory', even though it was just a comment in a thread and not an OP.

Take care, L0onix, you'll be missed on all sides of debate.

[Dems to Win]

98. I'm a Bernie supporter, but I don't support the Bernie or Bust Pledge

A write-in vote in the fall election won't even be counted in my state unless he files paperwork to run as a write-in candidate, which he most certainly will not do. So a pledge to write in Bernie is the same as a pledge to stay home and not vote. Which will effectively help elect Republicans.

Bernie is running in the Democratic primary and has repeatedly said he will not be a spoiler, will not pull a Nader, and I'm certain he will endorse the winner of the primary.

The website trying to collect pledges to vote only for Bernie, in the primary and GE, are very misguided, in my view. They think by threatening to only vote for Bernie, they will get people to vote for him in the primaries. Of course, their threats only do the opposite, if they have any effect at all.

The good news is the Bust pledgers have not collected nearly as many pledges as they've set as their goal. They get a lot of negative feedback, much of it from supporters of Bernie.

Don't know if Loonix deserved to be banned, but I do agree that the Bernie or Bust stuff is contrary to the spirit of DU.

[LiberalArkie]

99. Don't forget this Terms of Service about denigrating a Democrat

When we are not in the heat of election season, members are permitted to post strong criticism or disappointment with our Democratic elected officials, or to express ambivalence about voting for them.

[JonLeibowitz]

199. If Bernie does not win the primary I look forward to posting on January 21, 2017 n/t

[Catherina]

101. With every passing day, this place becomes less interesting & less worth the time

L0oniX will be greatly missed.

I hope Bernie supporters start branching out into other venues, like twitter, where you can get a lot more positive work done, 20 times as fast, without being distracted, baited or attacked by assholes.

Dear L0oniX, this one's for you

I'd rec your OP cyberswede but not after getting a look at some of the gravedancers who did.

PS. Get your ass on twitter as L0oniX, hook up with your friends and meet tons of great people working for the same goal you are.

[Major Hogwash]

139. My thoughts, as well.

Twitter and Facebook are far more effective at getting out the news about Bernie anyway.
Since the mainstream media ignored Bernie all summer long, when the first Democratic debate for President occurred, some people didn't even know Sanders was running for President in this election.

A lot of people I know don't pay any attention to politics this early, nor do they pay much attention specifically to a specific political race this far out from an election.
But, I think that if some of them knew just how much DWS and the DLC/DNC has manipulated the mechanics of the nominating system this year in order to favor Hillary, I don't think they would be too hip hop happy about it.

I have given up on having any sort of meaningful discussions with many of Hillary's supporters here at the DU because many of them have already made up their minds as to who they are going to vote for next year.
No amount of discussing Bernie's stellar record seems to do any good to alter their way of thinking.
So, as far as I am concerned, many of them are just as stubborn as any right winger I have ever met in real life.

In 1975, 40 years ago, I was marching in the Army; marching to breakfast, marching to lunch, marching to supper, marching to the rifle range, marching in formation wherever our unit was going on that Army base.
In 1972, President Richard M Nixon had caused a constitutional crisis while he was sitting in the Oval office during his very first term, by planning . . and then trying to cover up . . the break-in of the Democratic National Committee Headquarters at the Watergate Hotel.
So, in 1974, President Nixon resigned from the office of the President, and the Republican party replaced him with a bona fide party man.
A man that would do exactly as he was told by the people who ran the Republican Party.

As a result, the first Commander-In-Chief I served for while I was in the Army was none other than Gerald Rudolph Ford . . . the first President of the United States who was never elected to serve in that office, nor was he ever elected to serve in the office of Vice President of the United States.


I don't hold it against right wingers for choosing to vote for their candidates.
I served in the military to protect their Constitutional right to vote for whomever they wanted to vote for, even when they vote for the wrong people.
But, when people start to support warmongers running for President, that's the final straw for me.

[KoKo]

143. .....!

I understand much of where you are coming from having lived through that time...but, not serving in your boots.
Thanks for posting that and how important this election is for so many of us, since we seem to be in "Endless Wars,"

Policy Issues are Important... They seem to always be swept under the rug as the people get shafted.

[Catherina]

179. I know. When I go from twitter to DU, I feel like I stepped back 10 years in time tech-wise

and the there's too much bad noise from tolerated, emboldened disruptors who are emboldened in their bad behavior because they know they're backing the same candidate as the admin.

What you said about how people wouldn't be too hip hop happy about the manipulations going on is true. I think that's exactly why I prefer the other venues because you can effectively get the word out to less politically active people, like normal Facebook friends.

Thank you for your service Major Hogwash. Reading your post really touched me. There's more I'd like to say to you but I think it's best reserved for a PM.

[nashville_brook]

239. all of this.

[Lil Missy]

111. I didn't know L0oniX, but if she was advocating against Democrats, he/she didn't belong here.

This is DEMOCRATIC Underground.

It's not Bernie Underground.

It's not Hillary Underground.

It is DEMOCRATIC Underground.

If you don't happen to like the frontrunner, then that's too fuckin' bad. This is not the place to try to sabotage the eventual DEMOCRATIC nominee, whoever that may be.

[smokey nj]

114. This is the Bernie Sanders group.

[Autumn]

116. Thank you.

[SoapBox]

135. ...another one to put on Full Ignore.

Sheesh.

[TBF]

212. Go back to the Hillary group -

nobody asked for a net nanny in here.

[senz]

117. I will miss L0oniX. He/she gave this site much of its integrity and character.

If the admins can't reflect and bring you back, then I hope we run into you elsewhere, fighting the only peaceful fight left for this country.

And we will not forget.

[LiberalElite]

118. And yet - this mid-September post by L0oniX is pinned near the top

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1280&pid=49869

Please take this as a kindly warning. [View all]
This discussion thread is pinned.
If you advocate for a third party candidate you will be get the pizza. Bernie or Hillary supporter: if you say you won't vote for the winner of the primary NOW you will be marked (by individuals) as a possible future TOS violator. There is no list. If you say you will not vote for the winner of the primary while we are in the GE you will get the pizza. Watch it ...be safe. If you won't vote for the candidate that wins the primary wait until the candidate is in office before you vent but even then I would not say you did not vote for the candidate. At least then we can compare what goes on to what we believed our choice/Bernie would have done and talk about why our choice/Bernie was the better choice. If Bernie does not win he most certainly will continue to push for what is good for the common people. BTW I am on MIRT so I see what gets posted about potential future TOS violators.

[Autumn]

120. I just pinned it as a warning to all.

[LiberalElite]

122. Ok but - it's

ironic that L0oniX got the ax while apparently knowing what could happen. Ya know?

[Autumn]

243. I don't think anyone could know that a copy and paste of an article from a

liberal website talking about what other people are doing elsewhere about a scenario that would probably never happen, not advocating for it mind you, just posting an article would result in a ban. Posting an article from a liberal web site for discussion. I think that's ironic.

[jfern]

137. So a random comment in your own protected group gets you banned?

I hope no Hillary supporter ever whines about alert stalking in their protected groups again.

[merrily]

182. Thanks. I hadn't even noticed the forum. Yes, it was in this group.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=forum&id=1002

A copy and paste from a liberal website posted in a protected group led to both a hide and then to a banning without warning or time out.

[jfern]

183. Can you imagine all the victim card playing that would be happening

if that ever ever ever happened to certain other groups?

[artislife]

198. If you see an OP

And most of the responses have an H in them and you recognize the names, best to let that OP be.

It's a honey trap, I tell you!


L0onix, thank you for all your posts over time and we will all be voting for Bernie in the primary. Cheers!

[senz]

203. Want to share that I got a hide on a comment I made HOURS ago.

On Wed Nov 4, 2015, 10:11 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

I'll bet there were a slew of adorable commenters
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=767066

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

This is over the top, this post acts as a call out and should be hidden as such.

JURY RESULTS

A randomly-selected Jury of DU members completed their review of this alert at Wed Nov 4, 2015, 10:49 PM, and voted 5-2 to HIDE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #2 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: This kind of crap is getting old. Glad admins are starting to pay attention.
Juror #6 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Always with this forum. At this point, I'm inclined to let everything stay. BainsBane gives as good as she gets, so I'm going to vote to leave it alone.

That being said, everyone needs to calm the fuck down. We have a long primary season ahead of us.

CONSEQUENCES OF THIS DECISION

You will no longer be able to participate in this discussion thread, and you will not be able to start a new discussion thread in this forum until 11:49 PM. This hidden post has been added to your <a href="/?com=profile&uid=252418&sub=trans">Transparency page</a>.

IMPORTANT: Hidden posts remain on your Transparency Page for 90 days. If at any time your Transparency Page contains five or more hidden posts there are additional consequences: 1) your Transparency Page will be displayed and can be read by any logged-in member 2) you will be unable to post until there are fewer than five hidden posts remaining on your Transparency Page 3) if you are a forum or group Host and/or serving on the Malicious Intruder Removal Team (MIRT), you will lose those privileges

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I think it was a bogus alert and a planned hide. I was not abusing or insulting or "calling out" anyone. I was responding to a comment by someone with whom I had had a somewhat contentious discussion about capitalism a while back. I used her name as I was talking directly to her and bolded it just for fun (and was angry about what they did to L0oniX.) We know, from screenshots of the "other website" that they plan their alert attacks, and I think this is what was done to mine. They waited seven hours to do it, probably needed to have enough people logged in late at night to accomplish the deed. This was, as I recall, the third alert on my comments today.

Ironically, I learned of the hide as I was replying to a reply to my now-hidden comment and got an automated message that I could no longer comment on that (horrible) thread.

I saved my reply, as it is fairly dense with facts and history. I was very tired while composing it and hate to waste it. But I don't know where to put it now.

[jfern]

206. It's obvious we're under attack

Weird how it's their side always playing the victim card. They are some terrible people with their hate site to plan to how to alert stalk and hide us.

[senz]

208. I get the impression that some are hard, cynical, and unhappy.

This may be what gives them pleasure in life?

I hope we can hold our very nice group together and not have any more of us banned.

After all, we need to support Bernie as he attempts to turn this country around.

It really matters. It's a big deal.

[merrily]

229. We've been under attack all along.

[7962]

248. has to be one of the dumbest hides I've ever seen.

And I think Ive said that about a dozen times over the past week!!!
Looks like they were after you or something, seeing as they tried to do it on another of your posts before that one

[senz]

250. Unhappy people lash out in ugly ways.

There are serious, vital reasons to back Bernie Sanders for president, but one of the nice little perks is the company we keep.

[TBF]

213. Thanks for letting us know.

This is BS.

[LiberalArkie]

215. We are only allowed here really for entertainment reasons, so we should be used to it.

Owners[edit]
The website is owned by Democratic Underground, LLC (a limited liability company), and run by David Allen, who posts under the screen name "Skinner"[4] while on the boards and handles most of the issues relating to the forums. The other two administrators are Dave Allsopp, a co-founder, known as "EarlG" (of Washington, D.C.) and Brian Leitner, known as "elad" of Portland, Oregon. Allsopp and Leitner handle the articles and technical issues, respectively. Previously David Allen used to design websites for Blue Dogs/Third Way Democrats in Washington, D.C.


From the Wikipedia for democraticunderground

[senz]

227. Uh, wait a minute ...

Your paragraph kind of blurred it for me, so I went out to Wikipedia, and suddenly this passage jumped out (even though it's in your paragraph):

Previously David Allen used to design websites for Blue Dogs/Third Way Democrats in Washington, D.C.

Oh my. This could explain a few things. What I would wish for is that Skinner would explain why he prefers the Blue Dog/Third Way to the, imo, real Democratic way. Maybe he has a reason; maybe it's a good reason, but I'd like to hear it. If he's not too busy and tired dealing with all these squabbling DUers, I would love it if he could give us a rationale for subscribing to the Third Way.

Maybe he could persuade us, maybe we could persuade him.

Seems like the only discussion worth having, for Democrats.

[darkangel218]

234. Wow..

[Gregorian]

245. Now it makes sense.

Something stinks around here. I should have looked for another forum long ago.

I'm a normal person, but when I'm on du I feel like I'm as far left as one can get. No, I'm a typical educated American.

I'm pretty much done here, having read your post. I don't want to give this place any more hits than it deserves.

[LiberalArkie]

246. It is a good system, and a lot of good people. I have not found any other with as much of a free

exchange of ideas. You just have to realize the the owners have a little different viewpoint for just a very few months. Thats all. They really do not seem to have that much hands on with it. Once the convention is over, everything gets back to normal. It is pretty much this way every four years. Some years worse than others.

My post was not to provoke anyone to do anything. It just helps to know where we stand at the moment. Just like a Liberal knows not to go to a KKK meeting or be around those groups and start talking about how racist the white power groups are. Why not? Well common sense tells us to not do or say things in the wrong context or in the wrong place.


On edit: let me say that when you are a software designer, you really can not be very choosy on who your customers are. After you have become rich maybe you can. I don't know of any that have reached that point. You take the jobs you can get. Note on the wiki article, it did not say that Allen took jobs from the Republicans, only did work for the Democrats. That says something right there. It says third-way, well before DU started, third-way was the Democratic Party.

[jomin41]

216. Bummer- in more ways than one.

[-none]

217. A ruling on subject of not advocating for Democrats, from the AtA.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12598967#post1

I for one see a disconnect between the post at the link and the reason for this thread. Something is definitely wrong.

[winter is coming]

225. Thanks for the heads up. That was ill done. n/t

[senz]

226. I would add -- and ask for advice on -- the fact that the person who alerted on my comment

seven hours after I posted it, hours after several people had replied to it, and very, very late at night (all rather unusual circumstances to me) -- sent me an email this afternoon, to which I just replied (politely but at length).

This person is not someone I consider among the most aggressive of their group, and I get the feeling that someone with an ax to grind may have put her up to it. She basically said that she sent it because she considered my comment "mean spirited" and that the jury agreed with her, that there was no "conspiracy," and "that's how the system works."

I'm still pretty green about how things are done around here -- is there anything I should watch out for in this? Could it be some other kind of trap? Should I have refused to reply to her email?

[merrily]

228. "mean-spirited" could apply to quite a few posts on this board. This is supposed to be a protected

group. BTW, I have noticed that Bernie supporters tend to get their posts hidden in the wee hours.

[in_cog_ni_to]

233. L0onix, Will Pitt, Cali (is she coming back or not?), nadin

Last edited Fri Nov 6, 2015, 06:54 PM - Edit history (1)

I'm just going to bite my tongue and keep my thoughts to myself because they aren't good. L0onux will be missed.

The good ones get the boot while...well, you know all too well.

[madfloridian]

235. Looks like cali can come back on Nov. 15.

That's going by the earliest post that was hidden...I think that is how it is handled.

I am getting fearful of posting anything anymore.

I did catch the Loonix bug for my sig line. Maybe someone will notice the Hillary supporters who say they will not vote for Bernie.

Getting scary around here.

[in_cog_ni_to]

236. Oh good. I'm glad cali will be back soon!

It's quite obvious what's going on here, but if they get rid of all the Bernie supporters, no one will be left to support DU! The majority here supports Bernie. Purge all of us, it's going to be mighty lonely in here after Bernie wins!

[senz]

237. Speaking of strange occurrances...

Earlier today, I was trying to post a comment to this thread:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251773896

but when I pressed "Post my Reply" it just hung. Nothing. I waited and tried again, nothing. Waited and tried again, nothing. So I went out to the GD-P tab to look for the OP, and it was gone! It had been high on the list, and now it wasn't anywhere on the page. Then, suddenly, it reappeared and my reply went through.

Does this sort of thing occur often around here?

[darkangel218]

238. Maybe it was a software glitch

I can see the OP at your link fine

[7962]

240. He might have made it if he hadnt posted the comments with the article

Some folks here have a problem with stuff like that

[Autumn]

247. There were no comments posted with that article. A few paragraphs from an article were cut and

pasted from a liberal website and posted here. Nothing else

[7962]

249. I think I looked at the wrong one; this one:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251546772

Its got comments that are the usual attempts at humor

[L. Coyote]

251. Now that little bug's babies have hatched everywhere.

[cyberswede]

252. Self-deleting - this thread has run its course.

OP:

FYI - L0oniX is no longer a DU member

I thought some here might like to know.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=profile&uid=186380&sub=trans