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ruffburr

(1,190 posts)
Wed Oct 21, 2015, 10:58 AM Oct 2015

Warning This Is a Rant-

Last edited Wed Oct 21, 2015, 09:33 PM - Edit history (1)

WTF, All I see is how Hillary won the debate and how she's polling way above every one else etc etc etc. Are the citizens of this country so malleable that they will vote for the status quo candidates even when it is so Obvious that the status quo is a failure of Epic proportions, Climate destroyed, Inequality on both social and financial levels running rampant, America status in the world destroyed by wars of aggression for profit, Etc etc, And the Morons Are so scared of Change that they cling to the same old failed policies and politicians, Just gutless, Stand the F--k up like your forefathers and mothers for a better life for Your Self and for your Children, Dump the status quo.

P.S. Thank you all I feel a little Better now, For clarification the status quo in my mind has been in power since the 80's

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Warning This Is a Rant- (Original Post) ruffburr Oct 2015 OP
Gore won debates against W and it didn't change anything. Baitball Blogger Oct 2015 #1
Because the media was calling Gore a bully d_legendary1 Oct 2015 #25
I can feel your rant and pretty much agree tech3149 Oct 2015 #2
Amen...KNR!!!!!! Hepburn Oct 2015 #3
It's baffling to me Robbins Oct 2015 #4
Round one of a much longer fight. Half-Century Man Oct 2015 #5
Message auto-removed Name removed Oct 2015 #8
Did you see how the Black Lives Matter question was presented to Bernie vs Hillary? tecelote Oct 2015 #18
It's the media hype. It's not that bad, surprisingly, as seen with the huge support for Bernie. Gregorian Oct 2015 #6
I'm with you. There are some people, however, who do not consider the Obama administration to be an Attorney in Texas Oct 2015 #7
if the measure is performed beter than expected...yes hilary won the debate dembotoz Oct 2015 #9
Is it citizens or corporate media controlling the message of "who won" and "who is polling higher?" Auggie Oct 2015 #10
When the establishment media declares the establishment candidate the winner . . . Jack Rabbit Oct 2015 #11
it goes like this Half-Century Man Oct 2015 #23
Very good, young fellow. Jack Rabbit Oct 2015 #24
I, as a former student at the University of Wisconsin; Rock co. Half-Century Man Oct 2015 #26
Let me join you.... Not Sure Oct 2015 #12
Despite all of the evidence to the contrary, LibDemAlways Oct 2015 #13
Actually, this is all because we are ALREADY an oligarchy . . . DrBulldog Oct 2015 #14
Don't really care what candidate theM$M declared the winner. I won't be influence SammyWinstonJack Oct 2015 #15
Information that gets filtered by a gatekeeper is subject to manipulation. The spontaneous online GoneFishin Oct 2015 #16
I will acknowledge ejbr Oct 2015 #17
The Beltway Media claimed '08 was going to be Hillary vs Rudy.... Spitfire of ATJ Oct 2015 #19
kick marym625 Oct 2015 #20
Turn off the TV !! Remember Gandhi !! We're a long way out, plenty of time. MasonDreams Oct 2015 #21
k/r - I plan to stand up. 840high Oct 2015 #22
exellent rant olddots Oct 2015 #27
. LiberalElite Oct 2015 #28
Feel like I need to spend time in this group artislife Oct 2015 #29
Yea, its not worth the stress to argue with people who have already made up their minds for Hillary. n8dogg83 Oct 2015 #30
I just have to remember what I see out in the world artislife Oct 2015 #31

d_legendary1

(2,586 posts)
25. Because the media was calling Gore a bully
Wed Oct 21, 2015, 03:37 PM
Oct 2015

and let's not forget that he was a boring candidate. Very low voter turnout.

tech3149

(4,452 posts)
2. I can feel your rant and pretty much agree
Wed Oct 21, 2015, 11:21 AM
Oct 2015

I do think you might need to take a chill pill. I live a pretty sequestered life so my interactions with the general public are a bit limited.
My political advocacy started in the run up to the clusterfuck that was the invasion of Iraq. It's just too damned easy for the average Joe and Jane to avoid the reality. Add to that the massive media influence to distract and entertain us to our own detriment.
What limited face to face interaction shows me is that even the most poorly informed know that they are being screwed, they just place the blame in the wrong place.
I feel pretty good about the possibility for change. The young kids are definitely not taking the status quo as being the best that they can get. Old farts like me who have no shit left to give aren't going to go down without a fight.
Even if the best we can do on the national stage is Clinton it's up to us to push for a government that supports the greatest good for everyone.

Robbins

(5,066 posts)
4. It's baffling to me
Wed Oct 21, 2015, 11:28 AM
Oct 2015

how anyone could call Clinton the winner of the debate.

There is nothing noone can say to ever get me to vote for clinton.supporters of her can call me liberal extremist and not a real dem
even though i voted every time from 1992 to 2014.

new memo seems to be today white voters are ilrelvent.um some whites still vote democrat.

Half-Century Man

(5,279 posts)
5. Round one of a much longer fight.
Wed Oct 21, 2015, 11:37 AM
Oct 2015

It's clear the referee has a favorite.

Remember, figures do not lie. But liars can figure.

Response to Half-Century Man (Reply #5)

tecelote

(5,122 posts)
18. Did you see how the Black Lives Matter question was presented to Bernie vs Hillary?
Wed Oct 21, 2015, 12:50 PM
Oct 2015

A tough question for Bernie, a gift to Hillary.

Hillary has been bought and paid for. They knew Hillary would win because it was decided beforehand.

They had to rush to hide all the polls and focus groups that showed Bernie won.

---

Here's the post and video.

Check out how Anderson Cooper gives Hillary a softball question different from the other candidates...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251691400

Gregorian

(23,867 posts)
6. It's the media hype. It's not that bad, surprisingly, as seen with the huge support for Bernie.
Wed Oct 21, 2015, 11:39 AM
Oct 2015

I want to say that it is that bad, but Bernie's support has changed my mind.

When they killed the Fairness Doctrine, they severed America's spinal cord. People are still glued to their tv as if it were a truth box. That's the reason we still see "support" for a Clinton.

This doesn't even make logical sense. But when Bernie got the support he is getting, it told me everything. There's a huge silent majority out there.

Many are so duped they don't even know what they're looking for. Democracy is long dead, and people don't know it. But most of them still recognize it.

We're seeing manipulated polls. Why would GE tell the truth about polling if their media outlets don't even report news?

Attorney in Texas

(3,373 posts)
7. I'm with you. There are some people, however, who do not consider the Obama administration to be an
Wed Oct 21, 2015, 11:45 AM
Oct 2015

epic fail (if you compare my hopes for the Obama administration against the last 7 years, I see an epic fail; if you compare my expectations for the Obama administration against the last 7 years, I see a mixed record; if you compare my fear of what a Romney administration would have been like against the last 7 years, I see a brilliant triumph).

I think Clinton is not a bad choice for those who would be happy with a third Obama term. Personally, I want something better. I want an administration that fulfills the hopes that Obama inspired seven years ago and fell short of delivering. I want Sanders.

dembotoz

(16,779 posts)
9. if the measure is performed beter than expected...yes hilary won the debate
Wed Oct 21, 2015, 11:50 AM
Oct 2015

a main reason i do not as a rule watch the debates.
Every reaction to what is said in the debate is processes thru the adoring supporters lenses.

Kind of like going to a big rock concert of a group you truly love

they may be slightly off key, and look really tired because this is the 12th show in 12 nights...but to you in the audience....best concert ever...and you will defend that to the death....

in every school play every parent thinks their child carried the whole production and delivered a performance worth of a tony....

does it really matter???????

Auggie

(31,118 posts)
10. Is it citizens or corporate media controlling the message of "who won" and "who is polling higher?"
Wed Oct 21, 2015, 11:55 AM
Oct 2015

It's media. They do it for ratings and because they prefer the status quo.

Good rant. But I think the malleable electorate votes for celebrity and/or approachability. Since Bill Clinton, at least.

BTW, sometimes it's not so much about winning the debate as it is not losing it

I thought Debate One was a stalemate. Each candidate (Sanders and Clinton) showed well in the eyes of their respective supporters. But more importantly for Democrats, neither Sanders nor Clinton lost.

I donated to Sanders immediately after because I want his message to be a force in this election. Maybe it will wake-up this malleable electorate. I'll vote for him in the California primary.

Jack Rabbit

(45,984 posts)
11. When the establishment media declares the establishment candidate the winner . . .
Wed Oct 21, 2015, 12:21 PM
Oct 2015

. . . anyone who is a bit jaundiced is probably right.

Especially when there is a strong anti-establishment candidate who did at least as well as the establishment candidate and whom the establishment media pretends not to see and expects the rest of us to pretend not to see, too.

We're having none of it.

Establishment, your days are numbered. ExxonMobil or Goldman Sachs or Koch Industries have no more right to rule us than Caesars or Bourbons or Romanovs.
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Half-Century Man

(5,279 posts)
23. it goes like this
Wed Oct 21, 2015, 02:33 PM
Oct 2015

The divine right of kings has metamorphosized into the sublime right of money.

Different era, same assumed overlordship, based on implied favor from worshiped entity.

Jack Rabbit

(45,984 posts)
24. Very good, young fellow.
Wed Oct 21, 2015, 03:10 PM
Oct 2015

I, Professor Jack Rabbit, formally the Professor of Folklore, Literature and Philosophy at Napa State, give you an A for the day.

Not Sure

(735 posts)
12. Let me join you....
Wed Oct 21, 2015, 12:22 PM
Oct 2015

Fuck pragmatism, fuck electability, fuck political parties, fuck polls

I'm voting my principles this go round. Whether it's enough or not, I really don't give a good God damn. By the time the election comes around, my vote is the only thing resembling political power or speech I will have left. I'm not just going to give it away to the smiling slimy corporate gladhands because of allegiance to a party or because my candidate can't win. You know how my candidate can't win? If I don't vote for him.

If the sorry state of this country, of this pathetic ineffectual political party - and I say that as a loyal Democratic voter for most of my adult life - is good enough for you, just raise your hand so I can put you on ignore.

LibDemAlways

(15,139 posts)
13. Despite all of the evidence to the contrary,
Wed Oct 21, 2015, 12:25 PM
Oct 2015

the corporate media was able to convince enough Americans that George W. Bush was qualified to be President that he was able to steal the election -- twice. The candidates the media favors have a huge advantage. This time around they want Hillary to be the Dem.nominee,and even if she stood on the debate stage and drooled, it would make no difference. She'd still be declared the winner.

 

DrBulldog

(841 posts)
14. Actually, this is all because we are ALREADY an oligarchy . . .
Wed Oct 21, 2015, 12:33 PM
Oct 2015

. . . and have been one for some time. Amazingly we already have the man we need: Bernie. But it is ALL up to our 75,000,000 millennials - if they show up at the primaries, our country has a chance. Otherwise kiss democracy good-bye and prepare your passports for Canada.

SammyWinstonJack

(44,129 posts)
15. Don't really care what candidate theM$M declared the winner. I won't be influence
Wed Oct 21, 2015, 12:37 PM
Oct 2015

by the M$M.

I'VE already decided and I'm NOT changing my mind based on the corporate controlled media biased opinion.

GoneFishin

(5,217 posts)
16. Information that gets filtered by a gatekeeper is subject to manipulation. The spontaneous online
Wed Oct 21, 2015, 12:43 PM
Oct 2015

polls which reflected a broad cross section of individual opinions were overwhelming landslides for Bernie.

Funny how only the polls that are "compiled" and "interpreted" by human beings working for big companies are against Bernie.

ejbr

(5,855 posts)
17. I will acknowledge
Wed Oct 21, 2015, 12:45 PM
Oct 2015

that there are Clinton supporters who like her positions, thinks she is a nice person, and will be effective. What worries me is that there may be many of her supporters who only care about how she presents herself or that she is a woman with complete disregard for anything else. Sigh

 

Spitfire of ATJ

(32,723 posts)
19. The Beltway Media claimed '08 was going to be Hillary vs Rudy....
Wed Oct 21, 2015, 01:23 PM
Oct 2015

This year they wanted it to be a Clinton vs a Bush with the Bush winning this time.

They feel it would bring balance to the universe or some such nonsense. Feeds into their "it's a 50/50 country" nonsense.

MasonDreams

(756 posts)
21. Turn off the TV !! Remember Gandhi !! We're a long way out, plenty of time.
Wed Oct 21, 2015, 01:34 PM
Oct 2015

First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, THEN YOU WIN !!!

Biden is out! Sanders has Hillary flip flopin' already. There's slow fuse Berning much faster than you think!!

 

olddots

(10,237 posts)
27. exellent rant
Wed Oct 21, 2015, 04:47 PM
Oct 2015

don't stop ranting , when we stop ranting we loose to the bad guys of which there are many .

 

artislife

(9,497 posts)
29. Feel like I need to spend time in this group
Thu Oct 22, 2015, 03:02 AM
Oct 2015

I think I am one or two words from a h supporter away from never voting for a DNC back candidate again.

deep breaths....

n8dogg83

(248 posts)
30. Yea, its not worth the stress to argue with people who have already made up their minds for Hillary.
Thu Oct 22, 2015, 11:09 AM
Oct 2015

I tend to stay far away from GD-P and other cesspools of negativity. What I have been trying to focus on lately is spreading the word about Bernie to people who may not know of him. Its a good way to de-stress from the bullshit and do something positive to help Bernie. I've actually noticed over the past couple of weeks that more people in my neighborhood have been sporting Bernie bumper stickers, so what we (and he) have been doing is working! We just gotta keep up the struggle!


Continue to take deep breaths. We're in this together.

 

artislife

(9,497 posts)
31. I just have to remember what I see out in the world
Thu Oct 22, 2015, 11:11 AM
Oct 2015

And still, I see no support for her.

Just here and on the national news.

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