Bernie Sanders
Related: About this forumBernie Sanders says he is planning a "major speech" defining "democratic socialism"
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(41,131 posts)Jack Rabbit
(45,984 posts). . . other than online, of course.
Maybe, if you get British TV, the BBC will broadcast it, unless Cameron hasn't privatized it by then.
appalachiablue
(41,131 posts)show to spew his babble and nonsense which has never been done before with any candidate.
BBC or there's also Al Jazeera that just aired the Dem. debate. They're reliable if not accessible to people in Fargo or Chattanooga.
Dont call me Shirley
(10,998 posts)appalachiablue
(41,131 posts)a multi millionaire set for life from his one lucrative show. In a recent lengthy interview on Charlie Rose it was really the only thing Larry would talk about, how Seinfeld made him worry free for life re money, and wanting women now. Those two topics, that's it. Despite Charlie's major efforts to try to get him to open up on many other subjects. Strange but I don't follow or know him at all.
The actress who played Hillary got in some funny parodies and jabs, like others doing Webb, O'Malley and Chafee. But the Bernie skit was OTT. Eh, there will be more to come and we can handle it. And Bernie has the tolerance of a saint on some matters.
DirkGently
(12,151 posts)I actually find it a bit odd how briefly Sanders explains his political philosophy. Referencing Scandinavia isn't enough.
I understand he doesn't want to get into some kind of "Capitalism, good or bad" shouting match, but it's not that hard to point to ... all the other major Western democracies and show that no one has the kill-or-be-killed kind of approach to economic matters the United States does.
People want to hear MORE, not less, about the differences in his approach from that of not only Republicans, but right-leaning Democrats like Hillary Clinton.
Done correctly, the things he's really talking about, which benefit everyone not currently financing a gold-plated yacht with hedge-fund money, could broaden his appeal even further.
appalachiablue
(41,131 posts)the political revolution he wants more clearly which will be beneficial to those who might not get it.
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)cprise
(8,445 posts)Its basically an FDR Democrat who thinks nationalization *can* be a good solution for some things.
Omaha Steve
(99,628 posts)But point taken.
cprise
(8,445 posts)Its always been a great starting point for me, and the core material is good quality and guarded.
And its a collectivist enterprise
tomg2
(8 posts)In others, it is total nonsense. For example, in my particular field, the basic citations are very good. In other areas, it is total nonsense. it seems that with Wikipedia, the more specialized the area, the better the information ( I work on a little known Anglo-Welsh artist)
Your point about the collectivism, though, is spot on. in fact, in my area, there are some pretty interesting debates among specialists. As a teacher, my problem is that most students use it as a primary source instead of a beginning reference point for further research.
As a starting point, though, it really is spot on.
lovemydog
(11,833 posts)LOL!
Hope you're enjoying a good day.
tomg2
(8 posts)the student is using it: as a starting point to research or as an "authoritative answer." The first, yes. The second, not so much.It also depends on the particular field. In some cases, what wikipedia offers is a superb starting point. In other cases, it it total nonsense. So it is - for many teachers - a case of sorting the stuff out. Incidentally, in spite of my few posts ( in this incarnation - computer crash), you are one of the posters I always learn from and appreciate. Thanks for all you do.
Omaha Steve
(99,628 posts)tomg2
(8 posts)you do on all levels. I mean that.
Omaha Steve
(99,628 posts)F4lconF16
(3,747 posts)A better source would be from the actual Democrstic-Socialist party website, dsausa.org.
A good article defining the DS vision:
http://www.dsausa.org/toward_freedom
Democratic socialists are still socialists.
Your and Wikipedia's definitions are flat out wrong. That's objective fact, by the way.
LiberalArkie
(15,715 posts)The Second Bill of Rights is a list of rights that was proposed by U.S. President Franklin D. Roosevelt during his State of the Union Address on January 11, 1944.[1] In his address Roosevelt suggested that the nation had come to recognize, and should now implement, a second "bill of rights". Roosevelt's argument was that the "political rights" guaranteed by the US Constitution and the Bill of Rights had "proved inadequate to assure us equality in the pursuit of happiness." Roosevelt's remedy was to declare an "economic bill of rights" which would guarantee eight specific rights:
Employment (right to work), with a living wage
Food, clothing and leisure
Farmers' rights to a fair income
Freedom from unfair competition and monopolies
Housing
Medical care
Social security
Education
Roosevelt stated that having these rights would guarantee American security, and that America's place in the world depended upon how far these and similar rights had been carried into practice.
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salib
(2,116 posts)thesquanderer
(11,986 posts)appalachiablue
(41,131 posts)discussion about Bernie on the Bill Maher show Friday night.
Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)senz
(11,945 posts)senz
(11,945 posts)So glad he's doing it, it's the best strategy. The Right won't like his taking away their major weapon.
It also shows he's serious about taking his campaign all the way.
Plus, it's going to go a long way toward educating the American public. Older Americans have been brainwashed to fear the word "socialism," while younger people may not have been introduced to it. It's time we all grew up.
And the media? No way they'd explain it. Nearly all MSM are in the bag for Hillary.
winter is coming
(11,785 posts)No, I'm serious. We need something animated that could explain some differences in 2-3 minutes or less. Show us what life is like for the poorest, the richest, and the folks in the middle. Stress that under our current system, all the gains are flowing to the very top, while the middle is disappearing and the poor are on the edge of starvation. Show us what could be different with a few changes in keeping with democratic socialism, stressing the aspects of our society that are already "socialist".
Speeches are good, but not everyone has the time or the attention span to take in lengthy explanations, or the ability to remember and repeat what they've heard later. A short video that would likely go viral, ending with a link to Bernie's speech or a more detailed document could do a lot of good.
BadgerKid
(4,552 posts)winter is coming
(11,785 posts)I'm just a Democratic Socialist, helping folks out.
Ignore those media pundits and the crap that they spout.
I won't take all your money away,
But I'll enact new laws to protect average Joes and make the 1% pay.
I don't think the last line scans but I'm on my second glass of wine.
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)DrBulldog
(841 posts)The largest ocean in the world: the monstrous sea of American ignorance at which the rest of the world laughs.
Dont call me Shirley
(10,998 posts)ErikJ
(6,335 posts)leftcoastmountains
(2,968 posts)A reporter mentions this major speech. I posted the youtube video
Bernie meets the press after the Town Hall meeting.
SoapBox
(18,791 posts)When the Shill, uh, Hill said we are not Denmark...
I yelled at her, Well Maybe We Should Be!
"Forbes: Denmark World's Best Country for Business"
http://um.dk/en/news/newsdisplaypage/?newsID=E0F73BE8-490B-4E16-882F-89B1F95193E9
eridani
(51,907 posts)The New Deal, the fire department, public education, the interstate highway system, etc.
kentuck
(111,094 posts)I hope Bernie makes that point.