It really doesn't matter who media declared as winner of debate. It was good for Bernie.

[madfloridian]

It was good for our party.

Disclaimer: I do not care who "won". It was a great debate. I think it was a mistake for the main media sources to so suddenly and loudly proclaim that Hillary won. It was not fair to either candidate, and it was done so quickly it had a "ready-made already-decided" air to it.

We are not the only ones finding it hard to reconcile that Bernie appears to have won the debate in all the big online internet polls. The fact that Hillary was immediately declared the winner by the media was not only noticed here, at Daily Kos, and elsewhere.

I found the comments at the end of this article interesting.

Bernie Sanders says debate performance prompted $1.3 million in donations

To show just a few:

8:17 AM EST
I watched the entire debate, something I have not done in over 20 years. Having read what some of the media "saw" I have to wonder - what debate were they watching? It certainly wasn't the debate I watched. What I saw was Bernie Sanders unfailingly addressing the real issues this country faces. What I saw was a very rich Hillary Clinton demean everyone of us that is not rich by suggesting she has had the same kind of struggles and experiences - like making such a big point that one of her son-in-laws is a FACTORY WORKER for goodness sake. I saw Sanders say - point blank - health care (not insurance) for everyone. I heard Clinton suggest possible help for those in poverty, the rest of us are on our own. I heard Sanders defend - no EXPAND - Social Security. I heard Clinton suggest SS doesn't need to be cut. I saw a Sanders that was genuine, believable, and impassioned.

Another:

Two things were very clear. Sanders won on content, stomping Clinton in every post-debate reader poll. And the media handed the victory to Clinton.

Another:

6:19 AM EST
Every single poll every focus group. I mean just every single metric had Bernie winning and I guess this is another clue. But yet all the articles say Hilary won, CNN said she won and disregarded their own focus groups and poll number that had Bernie at 81 to Clinton 13. Its incredible.

There are others at the link in the comments.

I just don't think they did Hillary any favors by announcing that she won so quickly. It really did show up the pre-planned mind-made-up nature of the corporate media we deal with. It made the media look bad.

Proud of Bernie getting so much national attention, so that made him the winner of getting himself noticed.

[think]

1. It has to Bern when their own polls & focus groups refute their own conclusions

[INdemo]

2. The media declared Hillary

The winner before the damn thing even started. The media gave Hillary credit where credit was not due. They took several statements from Bernie out of context and turned them/tried to turn them into negatives.Hillary dared to talk about banks (too big to fail) in a negative way because they are paying her bills.
Let's face it Hillary came to this debate with a well written corporate script.

[MuseRider]

3. Just let them go on with it.

People know what they heard and what they either wanted or needed to hear. They mostly heard it from Bernie. While I thought Hillary did a great job, she was much better than I had thought she would be it was apparent, to me anyway, that her solutions were not solid or not enough or policies I oppose. Still, she did very well. The media saying she won it and every other metric saying Bernie did just points out what they, the media, want. They are corporations that need breaking up imo and it is time everyone saw this.

[madfloridian]

36. Exactly, people know what they heard.

[SmittynMo]

4. I am in total agreement

This is just the beginning. He now has the recognition. I knew this debate would change everything.

All in all, it was a good debate. It was an actual debate, not a freak show.

Don't forget that the media is bought and paid for.

[blm]

5. I pretty much feel the same as you. It was good for America to hear

Common Sense Sanders on that type of national stage.

[PatrickforO]

6. I watched the debate, of course, and the memory that sticks out for me was

when at the end CNN had that focus group and the talking head in there with them asked who won, then seemed genuinely surprised when the majority raised their hands for Bernie. Her expression and tone of voice revealed more than she intended, I think, because my impression was that this somehow displeased her. Her mission was to steer the group toward Clinton.

[99th_Monkey]

24. I saw that too, and noticed the same thing: the dour disappointment of the CNN focus-group moderator

when ..BOOM.. 85% of those present shot-up their hands when asked "who thinks Bernie won?"

Her disapproval of that response was visible and palpable. Then the mod kept going to that older
Black gentleman, trying to get him to trash Bernie, but he kept coming back with "No, actually I really
liked what Bernie Sanders had to say, he won me over"...

Then to juxtapose that with CNN talking heads on the split-screen, announcing a Clinton win ..
it became laughable, the level of transparent bias towards Hillary.

Hopefully we weren't the only ones to notice.

[corkhead]

7. The corporate press declares Hillary the winner only because she didn't lose.

She didn't have a major gaffe. They are desperately looking for a silver lining in their cloudy bubble, which isn't the least bit surprising to me.

[HooptieWagon]

9. No she didn't lose.

A few gaffes, no major blunders. However, what Bernie needed to do was to introduce himself and his positions to a national audience, and convince them he's not a fringe candidate advocating Marxism. By any metric, he accomplished that in spades, which would make him the clear winner. We'll see what the upcoming polls say...I expect a nice bump.

[Babel_17]

18. Yes. He was waise to focus on getting that done (nt)

[swilton]

23. Totally agree with your assessment

All Sanders had to do strategically was hold his own and he did more than that in spades....Even if he didn't win, which I believe he did, all he had to do was point out that the Emperess is not wearing clothes to shatter the Hillary myth of invincibility.

He will do even better in November.

This is why DWS has been so protective of Hillary and hiding her.

[HooptieWagon]

8. M$M reaction was comical.

I'm still laughing. Not one even acknowledged that there own poll or focus group had Sanders the clear winner. If they were actually journalists, they would acknowledge those polls and state why they were wrong. They couldn't. It sounded like the reviews were written before the debate, reminding me of when media was declaring Bush the winner over Kerry. Wanna buy some wood? No wonder media is losing viewers and subscriptions, peep are figuring out they're frauds.

[madfloridian]

10. Yes, it was.

All planned ahead, packed in a box, and tied with a ribbon.

[turbinetree]

11. The media pundits and there bosses................................

are the losers in this election, this is not a ratings game.

People want news that are factual on the ISSUES, and I mean factual.

And then to have the news media declare someone a winner is not only disingenuous but down right corruptible on it's face.
When Cooper was trying to engage the Libya item, Sanders cut him off, Clinton thanked him (Sanders), the message was clear -------------enough is enough-----------------------it's about ISSUES, everyday ISSUES----------------this debate with the Democrat's was not going to turn into a "clown car" show for ratings.

Sanders kept going back to the same ISSUES of his campaign, how the political system and economic system and the present make-up of the right wing majority in the U.S. Supreme Court is corrupt for the benefit of the few against the many



Feel the Bern


And has Sanders said last night, this country is going through a political revolution-------------------enough is enough


Honk-----------------for a political revolution Bernie 2016

[avaistheone1]

12. k&r

[lostnfound]

13. They both did GREAT, and I for one am GLAD.

My donations are going to Bernie, and I hope that his policy positions and lifelong progressive record earn him a win in the primary.

But IF he doesn't win the Democratic nomination, I want Hillary to come across as strong, poised, tough, and intelligent as she did last night, because having any one of the GOP clowns in office is unthinkable. I came away liking her better after the debate last night than I have in a while.

Bernie didn't do quite as well as I expected -- I had HIGH expectations - at least not at the start, but it was his first time in that type of national format and I hope that the experience will just make him stronger for the next round. And he definitely did well enough to garner interest of those not familiar with him. Bernie is a quick study, and I bet he will just keep getting better.

Further, my young teen who is fairly disinterested in politics, watched it with me. He thought Bernie came across as "real" and definitely liked him the best. "I can see what she's doing, and she's doing a good job of it, nothing against her for it, but Bernie comes across as very real."

[Babel_17]

17. Very perceptive teenager

I hope others picked up on Senator Sanders eschewing going the route of being a packaged candidate, choosing instead to be his own person.

[eridani]

39. I think Hillary did well until her last comment about her enemies the Iranians

That made me want to vomit. Not "the ayatollahs," or even "the Iranian government"--just Iranians. Shame on her!

[djean111]

14. There really cannot be a quantifiable "winner".

But I think the CNN focus group is a good indication - they believed Bernie won.
I did not watch much, watched some of it with grandson. There literally is nothing any of the candidates could say that would sway my support from Bernie.

[DrBulldog]

21. There were many focus groups last night.

Every one said by large majorities that Bernie was the winner.

[emulatorloo]

15. Bernie was great! Great introduction to Dems nationally that don't know him as well as we do.

He will get a very big post-debate bump!

[HooptieWagon]

19. I think so.

Maybe 10% or so. Carly Fiorina went from a fringe candidate to solid #2 in one debate, picking up 10%.

[madfloridian]

37. Yes, a great introduction.

[Babel_17]

16. The camera liked Hillary

And that is part of how they scored her. The framing they gave her was geared to allow her to shine. She didn't drop that ball and so that raises her score. Maybe someone will deal with that as part of an article. That and Cooper giving her more consideration as to time were big factors in Secretary Clinton having a good appearance.

This wasn't a League of Women Voters debate. It's not just about a debate, it's about ratings and generating drama for more viewership down the line.

[DrBulldog]

20. Take a good look America. A REAL GOOD LOOK.

This morning, what did YOU think?

Answer: According to polls, real-time Google analytics, and focus groups EVERYWHERE, Bernie won in a LANDSLIDE, typically by 30 to 50 points. 40,000 people contributed to Bernie within a couple of hours after the debate, giving 1.3 million dollars.

And what did the media think?

Answer: Hillary was the convincing winner.

W-H-A-T ?!

You are now staring at exactly what Bernie has been saying for years: corporate media is corrupt and are in Hillary's pocket.

[Locrian]

25. ^^^

that. And people who should know better after having seen the corporate/wallstreet support Repub after Repub claiming "x obviously won the debate" now suddenly think the mainstream media is honest. Please.

[DrBulldog]

22. Good morning AH-MER-RIK-KAH!

Welcome to Bernie Sanders! Holy cow!

[madfloridian]

26. .....

He really went after some of corporate America's sacred cows. Without fear.

Holy Cow is right.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

27. "ready-made already-decided"

Some looked pre-written. Lacking in details of what occurred.

[madfloridian]

28. AND I have this question....

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251680083

[FloriTexan]

31. There were a couple of things I noted...

Randomly, Hillary spoke about being a mother a couple of times but she never referred to her daughter directly. Never said her name or "my daughter". I found that odd.

I thought her tale of how she and Obama wandered around looking for the Chinese was just weird and too casually over-rehearsed and all I could think about was what is she talking about...did it even happen? I'd never heard that one before.

The NRA fingerpointing at Bernie was ridiculous.

Cooper came out swinging at all the candidates right off the bat. I was almost taken aback but it seemed to set the tone for a no-nonsense, move it along kind of debate. I liked it.

[madfloridian]

32. I never watch debates on TV

I follow along on online blogs and watch chosen parts of the debate on video online. Same reason I don't watch news on TV....it just plain gets on my nerves to hear spin and talking points.

I did miss that part about the Chinese...I wouldn't know what to think either.

[FloriTexan]

29. It was a great debate.

Kicking

[madfloridian]

38. Yes it was.

Thanks for the kick.

[d_legendary1]

30. In the age of social media the MSM can kiss our big collective asses

I stopped watching the talking head shows because it was all about HRC and Trump. Watching the debates last night was the only time I watched CNN. After eating my pizza and enjoying the rest of the debate I turned the TV off and went to bed.

DU, news apps, and Facebook/Twitter have kept me in the loop!

[madfloridian]

33. "DU, news apps, and Facebook/Twitter have kept me in the loop!"

Yep, me too.

[SoapBox]

34. So any viewer numbers yet?

And...I'm overall pleased.

Bernie got more exposure...only the beginning. His Twitter followers jumped, his FB likes jumped and Bernie2026.tv had 5,300+ watching their feed (and that is a monsterous increase for them).

Bernie and the Berners will just keep spreading the word!

Oh ya...Ellen show on Thursday.

[madfloridian]

35. Somewhere I read 15 million +