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At this point, it is unknown if the "Outside Agitators" group has any association with Black Lives Matter - Washington or, just used the name #BlackLivesMatter to receive press coverage with trolling Senator Sanders Seattle Rally.
There are two groups claiming the title of #BlackLivesMatter-WA according to investigative reporting compiled by a Twitter Search of @BLM_Seattle. The noted Twitter account issuing the statement at 6:48 pm ET August 8, has been deleted.
Read more: http://www.reachoutjobsearch.com/2015/08/oped-whos-paying-blacklivesmatter.html#ixzz3iMeqo8nt
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PatrickforO
(14,572 posts)back to the big oligarchs who own the political establishment.
virtualobserver
(8,760 posts)they enjoy attacking liberals
Bonhomme Richard
(9,000 posts)onecaliberal
(32,852 posts)Because they know he best represents them.
gblady
(3,541 posts)nt
Vincardog
(20,234 posts)sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)AAs are NOT staying away from Bernie though. Unless you only read partisan blogs for information. That too is a 'tactic' and the talking points have become so repetitive it's clear they ARE talking points.
Bernie, like OWS and the Ferguson Protesters, not using BLM anymore, I support the people of Ferguson who have been out there for over a year, NOT attacking Liberals, but directing their energy at those who are the cause of the problem, or who have the power right now to do something to stop the murders.
Those groups are a threat to the Oligarchs, brutally attacked by their militarized police, but they have not been crushed by any means. Ows has been involved in helping the Ferguson protesters from the beginning, so seeing these groups join together, and then seeing someone stepping forward to give them a choice of a genuine people's candidate, who like OWS, has made no bones about pointing his directly at the real problem in this country, must be making them very, very nervous.
David__77
(23,372 posts)What I do know is that accusations of people being paid to engage in some political activity strike me as pretty weak. Does it matter? There are all sorts of groups in this country with different agendas that strike their main political blow in different directions. Just because the agenda seems counterintuitive to someone doesn't mean anyone is being paid.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)groomed by the Right, though not groomed enough according to her own FB page, then someone is up to no good and 'grooming' generally does cost money.
The TP eg, was invented by the Koch Bros. Money was spent, on protests, on buses etc and no doubt people were paid.
I think all of this should be illegal. It is undermining our Democratic process. Remenber Breitbart, and his 'videographer'. Looks like the same kind of 'program' was at work and people were deceived. Deception should always be exposed imo.
Too bad the Swift Boaters, same kind of dirty tricks, were not thoroughly exposed early on. Because these tricks work if they are not. So I am glad this one has been exposed early on.
starroute
(12,977 posts)There was this as of a year ago:
http://www.buzzfeed.com/jacobfischler/major-union-drops-partnership-with-united-negro-college-fund
One of the nations largest public-sector unions is severing its ties with the United Negro College Fund because the group accepted donations from the Koch brothers and its president spoke at a Koch-funded summit.
In a letter sent Tuesday, AFSCME President Lee Saunders wrote that the UNCF has taken actions deeply hostile to public employees, which he considers a profound betrayal of the ideals of the civil rights movement, and that the union will end its relationship with UNCF.
Saunders cited the UNCFs decision to accept a $25 million grant from Koch Industries, Inc. and the Charles Koch Foundation as a reason for the split, as well as the decision by UNCF President Michael Lomax to speak at a summit hosted by the Kochs in California.
http://www.salon.com/2014/07/25/koch_brothers_new_racial_gambit_whats_really_behind_a_quiet_battle_with_afscme/
In a letter to UNCF president Michael Lomax, AFSCMEs Saunders called the Kochs the single most prominent funders of efforts to prevent African-Americans from voting. Lomaxs appearance at the Koch brothers annual summit, where they plot conservative strategy this years focus was taking back the Senate in 2014 was a betrayal of everything the UNCF stands for. . . .
According to reporting in the Nation by Lauren Windsor, who obtained a confidential draft meeting agenda and spoke to participants, the summit Lomax attended drew Republican luminaries including Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell and Senate candidates Tom Cotton of Arkansas and Cory Gardner of Colorado three close races that are crucial to GOP hopes of taking back the Senate along with 2016 presidential hopeful Sen. Marco Rubio. No Democratic officeholders or candidates were included in the annual confab, which took place this year at the St. Regis Monarch Bay Resort in Dana Point, California.
Titled American Courage: Our Commitment to a Free Society, an early panel featured David Koch and longtime political partner Richard Fink, with whom he set up the right-wing Mercatus Center, holding forth on Saving America: Our Fight to Advance Freedom and Reverse the Countrys Decline. A dinner and then a morning panel showcased the notorious Charles Murray, who has long posited the intractable and probably genetic intellectual inferiority of African-Americans (and, more recently, low-income white people) and preached that government programs worsen poverty by destroying the work ethic and marriage habits of the poor. . . .
On NewsOneNow, Roland Martin hosted a discussion on the Kochs donation last month that turned into a polite but sharp debate between Lomax and progressive economist Julianne Malveaux, the former president of Bennett College for Women, the oldest historically black womens college. Expressing gratitude for UNCFs support, Malveaux nonetheless questioned the strings attached to the Kochs gift: $18.5 million of $25 million is to create a Koch Scholars program, for exemplary students who want to study how entrepreneurship, economics, and innovation contribute to well-being for individuals, communities, and society. Koch organizations get two of five seats on that scholarship selection committee.
HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)anyone who is willing to be bought, too bad there are so many. Why on earth would any prominent AA group even think of taking money from these people?
Surely they KNOW it is not for good reason.
But then, why did the Dem Party do it?
Is it so hard to resist money that people will sell their souls to get some of it?
Funny, I just remembered reading something about a 'rift' inside the BLM movement recently. It was supposedly over 'some members' pushing themselves to compete for positions of prominence, using the movement to do so'. Damn, yes, the pieces are coming together and I am glad we are learning all this early enough to recognize more of it when it happens.
Not that many of us were not suspicious from the beginning. But it's nice to have proof.
The sad thing is all this could hurt the really genuine Ferguson protesters who are already constantly under fire from the authorities.
We can't allow that happen as I'm sure it would be bonus for these crooks if the entire movement was undermined.
David__77
(23,372 posts)There have been all sorts of right-wing African-American groups from the beginning. There were pro-segregation ones even. I think that contending on the realm of ideas is much more powerful than engaging in much speculation about financing of this or that entity or person.
dreamnightwind
(4,775 posts)I think it matters what forces are taking what actions.
The above post about Koch money to the UNCF was a very interesting read, and scary. Koch money is all over the place, doing terrible things. There was, however, no link established to these protesters.
And the woman's Facebook page says ""GOP shoulda groomed me right then...now they gotta see me on the other side *shrugs*" ", which to me indicates she is not in the pay of the right, possibly of the "other side". Though of course she is quite possibly an unpaid zealot, seems to have a messiah complex a mile wide.
I don't particularly see your point about contending on the realm of ideas. It didn't matter to them that Sanders was the best candidate on racial issues, they appear to hate the white progressive left, so ideas be damned. That places it in the realm of disrupters. I don't think you stop such disruption by explaining to them how your candidate supports such and such. The OutsideAgitator info they refer to is way beyond any of that. I do think it's useful to get to the bottom of who is behind what actions, though.
historylovr
(1,557 posts)HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)Apparently they'll fund any group willing to promote their corporatist agenda. I doubt any social agenda comes into play except to troll for votes. We sure saw what the DLC/Clintons did once elected.
LovingA2andMI
(7,006 posts)And the something is smelling quite foul here....
"#BlackLivesMatter Protesters Trolling Bernie Sanders Don't Speak For Us - #FeelTheBern"
In particular, a warranted review is necessary of the background of Ms. Marissa Jeane otherwise known as Marissa Johnson LSF Thot (@rissaoftheway) who describes herself as a Radical Christian Mullatanist" supporting no other than former Vice-Presidential Republican Candidate Sarah Palin -- by way of her backpack."
Read more: http://www.reachoutjobsearch.com/2015/08/video-blacklivesmatter-protesters.html#ixzz3iOexBH8c
Foul like rotten fish....
dreamnightwind
(4,775 posts)and as far as I can tell their question "time ... for those supporting and affiliating with the Black Lives Matter movement to ask who exactly is "incorporating" the effort or paying individuals to possibly derail any positive vibes left, about #BLM" has no basis, they give no evidence that anyone is being paid.
If they had something, I would be quite interested, just saying there's nothing there.
merrily
(45,251 posts)TBF
(32,056 posts)but it's got to be someone with deep pockets who is threatened by Bernie. Hillary's campaign was my first thought (in respect to the initial BLM protesting) but with the additional stuff going on I'm not so sure anymore. This reeks of right wing swift-boating. I noticed that the repug candidates never once mentioned Bernie during their debate. They want to run against Hillary so they can bring up all the Clinton stuff they've invented through the years. They have no clue how to run against Bernie.
LovingA2andMI
(7,006 posts)That could be it. Think you're onto something here TBF....
eridani
(51,907 posts)delrem
(9,688 posts)go immediately from
breaking up a rally "to celebrate the 80th birthday of Social Security and the success of other anti-poverty programs",
where they targeted one candidate of one party, Bernie Sanders, shutting the whole event down while shouting at the audience the slander that they are "liberal white supremacists",
coupling that with a public defaming of Bernie in particular,
then blaming the whole thing on Bernie,
to a private meeting with the other major candidate of that party, Hillary Clinton, where there are hugs and kisses of mutual understanding and a genuine rapprochement with the Democratic party, if under the lead of Hillary Clinton?
Seems fishy to me.
eridani
(51,907 posts)--has many unscripted contacts with the general population, and the other candidate doesn't.
delrem
(9,688 posts)Or have I been misled into thinking that's in the cards?
LovingA2andMI
(7,006 posts)On this Podcast Episode Titled: "Answering Marissa Johnson & The Interrupters Effect, #BLM Trolling Bernie Sanders" - by Independent Underground Radio LIVE