Hillary Slams Sanders: "I Won't Take a Back Seat"

[swilton]

According to this Washington Examiner article, students at Dartmouth College were not impressed in Clinton's July 3 visit to NH. Phrases such as 'unimpressed', 'more questions than passion', 'wearing Bernie Sanders tee-shirts to the cook-out' characterized the article posted below.

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/hillary-slams-rival-sanders-i-wont-take-a-backseat/article/2567604

[MannyGoldstein]

1. Now the Sanders supporters want a woman to sit in the back seat!

In my mind's eye, I can see the posts that will soon be coming our way.

Oh, joy.

[L0oniX]

6. Yep ...and we will be wanting tea and fresh baked cookies too.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

18. Naw,....a sandwich.

[sabrina 1]

28. I still want my ponies, like Single Payer eg.

[daleanime]

31. Amen.....

[BrotherIvan]

56. Ponies eat hay

Wait for the cries of STRAW MAN!

[Enthusiast]

10. Don't give 'em any ideas!

[merrily]

35. I'm confused: Don't most limousine liberals sit in the back seat and not alongside the limo driver?

I don't see it as a gender issue.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/hillary-clinton-hasnt-driven-a-car-since-1996/

[SoapBox]

2. Mark your calendars...

She had no specifics for the economy...in around 10 days she'll release specifics.

Sorry...Bernie is already there.

[Duckhunter935]

3. I am sure we will have plenty of

specifics in ten days.

[onecaliberal]

4. She needs to poll so she can figure out her "position"

[CoffeeCat]

7. And this is the problem...

Sanders has been criss-crossing Iowa and NH--and talking about specifics and answering questions. He loves being challenged and he actually talks and dialogs with people.

Clinton--on the other hand. Seriously.

I don't know who is advising her or what in the hell they are waiting for, but her speeches are so uninspiring, canned and lacking passion.

I sometimes wonder if she hasn't all ready given up.

She's campaigned for President before. She knows how it's done. What in the hell is she doing?

[Spitfire of ATJ]

19. How long does it take to c/p?

[merrily]

36. Bernie's been there since he got to Congress in 1991 and immediately founded the Progressive Caucus.

He's not trying to figure out how to sound populist to us unwashed masses while assuring the rich that the status quo they love so much will continue.

[Divernan]

45. HRC: Trying to stall & delay/run out the clock

The only question they have been allowed to ask her is what is "what is your favorite kind of ice cream?". Everything else is always a prepared statement.

We're only in the first quarter - so that tactic is a surefire loser.

Hey, Hill! No guts, no glory!

[Flying Squirrel]

54. She didn't really answer the ice cream question did she?

Because there are people who are allergic to nuts who can't have pistacho, butter brickle, rocky road, or a peanut buster parfait. Then there's the chocolate allergy to consider, and alcoholics can't have dacquiri ice. And if she picked rainbow sherbet, well, she might piss off too many swing voters who might not be happy about the gay marriage thingy. To me that ice cream question is fraught with peril! She'd probably be safe enough with plain vanilla, but she wouldn't want to seem boring or ordinary, and it could cause a rift between herself and the AA community.

[Babel_17]

50. And that leaves open the question of trust

She could keep her hands off and have Krugman and every icon that Democrats respect draw up the specifics but when it comes to the economy, it comes down to trusting who you vote for.

"What's past is prologue", and we've seen a lot of prologue from the corporate sponsored wing of our party.

[glinda]

60. It is amazing how many people have "mimicked his messages" and even

the Conservatives attempting to paint themselves as straight talkers.

[tazkcmo]

5. I didn't see any "slams"

A mild barb here and there at best. My fav part was "grizzled". lol

[sadoldgirl]

8. "progressive values"

Would you, please, define those to us poor
and so ignorant voters, Madam Secretary?

But then I know that definitions may be a bit
difficult to give for someone. who supports
the XL pipeline or the TPP.

Still,please, try to let us know, what kind of
definition is yours.

[merrily]

37. Frack it and Iraq it, sadoldgirl, stop asking for specifics.

She's only had her eye on being the first woman President for a few decades. She only has over 200 economic advisors. How on earth is she supposed to be able figure out how to make NAFTA and TPP sound good to unions in under ten days from now?

Now you know why I try hard to avoid the word "progressive."

[azmom]

51. Frack it and Iraq it. LOL.

[merrily]

52. Glad you enjoyed it.

[madfloridian]

9. Many of the Washington Examiner writers are also Fox contributors or the Blaze.

I believe they also do a lot of work with the American Spectator. I would consider the source with them.

[ornotna]

12. Definitely a conservative site

Brought to you by the same people who bring you The Weekly Standard.

[BrotherIvan]

13. It is really a Politico article

http://www.politico.com/story/2015/07/hillary-clinton-i-take-a-backseat-to-no-one-on-liberal-record-119723.html?hp=c1_3

The OP should put the original link as I agree with you about Washington Examiner.

[madfloridian]

15. Surprisingly, I see some decent articles there.

Never used to see that.

[SusanCalvin]

17. Politico. Interesting.

I still say not a slam.

And I question the agenda of any outlet that says it is.

[Fla Dem]

21. Politico is more of a center right publication. Nt

[BrotherIvan]

23. Ok, but so are some of our leaders

[merrily]

38. Unless they misquoted Hillary or Dee Roberts, I'm not sure why the source is relevant.

[SusanCalvin]

11. I would not call it a "slam"

Just because that is the headline.

I think this news outlet may have an agenda......

[merrily]

39. Do you know of any news outlet that does not have an agenda?

Besides, the word "slam" in the headline is not the issue about which most on this thread have been posting.

[SusanCalvin]

46. Well, no.

But that headline seems particularly over the top.

[merrily]

47. Not in my experience, it isn't.

[SusanCalvin]

48. Perhaps I have led a sheltered life.

Let me rephrase.

I don't think the headline accurately reflects the article. Nevertheless, it is an interesting article.

[merrily]

49. I agree.

I used to write headlines. A number of factors limit the content of a headline, one of which is the width and length of the column devoted to the story. So, while "criticized" or even "implicitly criticized" may be more accurate, "slam" may be what is practically possible. However, it was not entirely off the mark as Hillary sure wasn't complimenting Bernie.

I have seen headline that are 180 degrees off the body of the article, though; and that is inexcusable and calculated: studies show many people read only headlines; and most headline writers know that, and all should.

[BrotherIvan]

14. I wouldn't call it a slam

I would call it acknowledging that her opponent is gaining on her.

[madfloridian]

16. Which he is.

[SusanCalvin]

20. .

[BrotherIvan]

22. I personally think it is a tactical mistake

A frontrunner does not need to be so reactionary, i.e. getting down in the muck. But the HRC campaign seems ready and willing to do it already. I have said before and I will say it again, the only person that can beat Hillary is Hillary. And this is how it begins.

[Elmer S. E. Dump]

25. Exactly my feeling. You are so right.

She is running scared, but can't show it.

[BrotherIvan]

27. Maybe her campaign is getting its rhythm, but so far there are many things

that make you go huh? Not talking to the press, and now with the rope at the parade? Going out with attack surrogates before she has really done any exhaustive interviews? Huh? Are they so afraid of her interacting with people or answering questions? And do they intend to do this until next November? It is the strangest campaign I have ever witnessed. So closed and afraid and reactive. Bizarre doesn't really describe it.

[Flying Squirrel]

55. It's called "playing not to lose."

And when any team starts playing not to lose, they usually lose.

[merrily]

40. Negative campaigning works, except when it doesn't. It didn't in 2008, but Obama

had establishment backing, like Daschle, Ried and Kennedy. Democrats urged him to run, thinking Hillary might have too much "baggage" to win.

Sanders emphatically does not have the backing of party bigwigs to challenge Hillary. However, Sanders has trustworthiness and a great vision for America on his side.

However, he is relying on us and only us to fight not only Hillary, but most of the people in power in the Party and the establishment media. What he is undertaking is formidable. We HAVE to keep helping him. Since he's been asking for donations of as little as $3, most of us have no excuse at all.

[BrotherIvan]

57. I hope we can continue to discuss this

Sanders emphatically does not have the backing of party bigwigs to challenge Hillary.

This is an uphill road, and we shouldn't be lulled into thinking it isn't.

[merrily]

59. Of course we can discuss it.

[Elmer S. E. Dump]

24. Oh, madfloridian, you scamp you!

[Lil Missy]

26. That's not a slam. n/t

[merrily]

41. Did the article misquote anyone? I don't think most of us focused on "slam."

[Kalidurga]

29. "I Won't Take a Back Seat"

When you say something like that it usually indicates one is actually already in the back seat or hasn't gotten in the car where they are now expected to be in the back seat and they are protesting, just sayin. If you are a front runner you don't have to protest the position you are in or try to fight your way to the position you want.

[Divernan]

30. She's been in back seat, being chauffeured through life, since 1996.

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http://www.cbsnews.com/news/hillary-clinton-hasnt-driven-a-car-since-1996/

Speaking before a conference of car dealers on Monday, former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton on Monday confessed that she hasn’t driven a car in nearly two decades.

“One of the regrets I have about public life is that I can't drive anymore," Clinton said in a speech at the National Automobile Dealers Association (NADA) meeting in New Orleans. "The last time I actually drove a car myself was 1996."

What genius/unpaid campaign "intern", or unpaid-albeit-experienced campaign operative "volunteer" came up with this "spin", i.e., of not taking a backseat. One of HRC's image problems is that she has lived in such a cocoon of pampered wealth for over 20 years, that she is quite out of touch with the 99 Percent. So one doesn't want to draw attention to the fact that she is chauffeured through life.

As has been pointed out, only the new grads from wealthy families can afford to pay their own living expenses and sign on as unpaid HRC campaign interns. (Basically Daddy is picking up the costs, and therefore contributing to the campaign - slick end run around the campaign contribution limitations.) So it seems one of them, (Buffy? Chipster?) who is used to Mumsy & Daddy being driven everywhere, failed to make the connection between "not taking a back seat" and having one's own driver.

Bottom line, you get what you pay for, and HRC, the self-proclaimed champion of women (for whom a major issue, as per my American Association of University Women state and local chapters is EQUAL FRIGGIN' PAY) is paying both new interns and experienced campaign operatives, whether male or female, zilch/zip/nada. Silly AAUW, making the assumption that working women would get paid SOMETHING, and our fight is to get women equal pay. We need to take a giant step backward to Hillary Land, where women are getting paid NOTHING! Well, at least her wealthy interns don't have any student loans to pay off.

[merrily]

42. Probably since well before that, but she hasn't driven ever since 1996.

I'm guessing the First Lady of Arkansas got a limo. And she got a limo, or at least a driver, when acting for the party, which she's done since she met Bill.

Fun story: A Massachusetts friend with a law degree and about a decade of big law firm experience took a sabbatical during which he volunteered for the Kerry campaign. They had him phone banking or some such, making no particular use of his knowledge or skills. However, for the convention, he was tapped to drive around some one big in the Gephardt campaign. I don't know if that was because of his degree or not, but they did chat. I don't recall if he used his own car or not.

The guy was in meetings all the time, though. So, my friend asked the bigwig
if he (my friend) could use the bigwig's pass to the convention floor. And the bigwig gave it to my friend,, who, in his own right, had a low level security clearance. My friend started snapping people like Michael Moore and Hillary with his phone. And he had a GREAT seat for Obama's speech. He's been an Obama fan ever since.

Anyway, point is, the party provides drivers, too. And I'd bet the deed to my home that Arkansas does the same for its first lady. Saying she has not ever driven since 1996 does not mean she always drove herself before that.

[merrily]

34. From your source:

Dee Roberts, who works in human resources at Dartmouth College, said she came out to see Clinton but that she likes what she's heard from Sanders. "We're pretty liberal here," she said. "He's very straightforward and doesn't take PAC money." She said she was hoping to hear more specifics from Clinton on her economic policy.

Unfortunately for Roberts, Clinton didn't give any specifics on the economy Friday. She said she will unveil her "specific policies" in around 10 days.

Seriously? She seems to have been planning this run since at least 1992 and she hired 200 plus economic advisors to help her figure out how to sound populist and rich-friendly at the same time. And she doesn't have any specifics yet?

But she had plenty of criticism to spare for the Republicans on economic policy, saying those who have criticized the pace of the economic recovery under President Obama "just don't know the theory of original sin" and "the kind of poor management and bad economic policies that put us into the ditch in the first place."

Policies like repeal of Glass Steagall, aka Gramm, Leach Bliley, aka Financial Services Modernization Act of 1999 and the Commodity Futures Modernization Act of 2000. for which her husband lobbied so hard? Like NAFTA that Poppy Bush could not get passed, so her husgand picked up the baton? Those Republican polices that got us in the ditch in which we were in by 2008?

College kids may have missed all that, but I hope someone will fill them in between now and primary day.

And she distinguished herself on 2nd amendment issues. What a coincidence. The "Don't be a Single Pony Voter" DUers have been hammering the gun issue, for months as have the TV talking heads that don't want to cover Bernie as a "serious candidate." It's almost as though there were some kind of coordination.

Yet, the NRA rates Bernie between D- and F, something he's been saying whenever asked by the talking heads.

Let's see, as between Hillary and a guy from a rural state who thinks it's okay if some states make their own gun laws on some issues, and is rated F by the NRA, but has a otherwise fantastic vision for America and a consistent record of voting right on things like Gramm Leach Blilely and the Iraq War. whomever shall I choose?

What a puzzler

I'm stumped.

[Scuba]

44. +1

[Demeter]

43. I don't think Hillary will even be offered a lift, not this time

[Divernan]

53. So does she sit in the co-pilot seat in all her private jet trips?

[hootinholler]

58. Wow in a right wing rag as well

No Hillary, you're not Rosa Parks, and as pointed out by others, don't you usually sit in the back seat of your limo?

Did you ride shotgun in your Scuby Doo van?