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(81 posts)
Thu May 19, 2016, 09:53 PM May 2016

Born again Progressive

I have noticed some of my progressive friends on here are getting down. I can understand that one on hand but as a new convert to Progressive thought I am just full of enthusiasm. You guys have been fighting the good fight for some time now and are falling just short of a huge win. But as a new friend and supporter I want to encourage you. YOU ARE STILL RIGHT!!! YOU HAVE BEEN RIGHT ALL ALONG!!! I am kicking ass on social media with facts and logic with my old conservative friends. I am not saying that proudly I am saying that when you can argue with facts instead of rhetoric you will win. The arguments that I am winning are YOUR arguments that I now have adopted as my own not as a follower but as a joiner.

So here is my point. We may not win this battle but WE WILL WIN THIS WAR!! Fresh reinforcements are joining and we have no battle scars and are eager to move this forward with you. This thing you guys started and Bernie has led is not losing momentum. I see the opposite. We will keep gaining momentum. We are going to start winning seats in both houses. We are going to convert more people like me. We WILL WIN in 2020.

You guys are just battle weary but I am so damn proud of you I could bust. I love you guys and give you the utmost respect for being leaders. I have said this before but after reading some downer posts decided I needed to try to share this encouragement.

Thank you my friends.

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Born again Progressive (Original Post) Oixi1993 May 2016 OP
You are a very LiberalElite May 2016 #1
Welcome to the light and welcome to DU Oixi1993. Marie Marie May 2016 #2
Thank you! Don't worry, old progressives don't tire, thereismore May 2016 #3
If I may... Kip Humphrey May 2016 #4
Bingo Oixi1993 May 2016 #5
We had a saying long ago, and some of us did... Kip Humphrey May 2016 #8
Thank you for this. nt malokvale77 May 2016 #6
Huge +1! Enthusiast May 2016 #10
Battle weary I am... malokvale77 May 2016 #7
Oixi ... Trajan May 2016 #9
K&R silvershadow May 2016 #11


(13,326 posts)
3. Thank you! Don't worry, old progressives don't tire,
Thu May 19, 2016, 10:58 PM
May 2016

they just take a breath now and then. We will win the war because we are right. If I don't get to see President Sanders in 2017, maybe I'll get to see President Sanders in 2021, or President Gabbard or Flores. It will happen.

Kip Humphrey

(4,753 posts)
4. If I may...
Thu May 19, 2016, 11:33 PM
May 2016

President Jimmy Carter has informed us that we are not currently a democracy; we are an oligarchy.

In this Revolution for Democracy, it is important to remember that we set the battlefield, not the enemies of democracy. The battle you imply is lost relies on a set of definitions, a framing of that battle provided to you by the enemies of democracy. I will offer an alternative frame...

We are winning. By that I do not mean that we are winning a rigged DWS-DNC nomination that has been forced, because we are winning, into exercising massive voter suppression and election fraud in order to provide the illusion that Hillary is winning and has already won. The election fraud borne out by the exit polls is so apparent the M$M canceled their contract for the remaining contests (including California and New Jersey). Rather, I mean that Bernie Sanders is winning the citizenry of this country: his favorability is rising in the wake of his campaign, going up in states he previously lost, and snowballing in front of him. The M$M is against him; the DNC is against him; the Establishment of politicians, lobbyists, welfare corporations, billionaires and Wall Street are opposing Bernie...

and yet, Bernie is winning.

Here are the GALLUP FAVORABILITY POLL results - a national poll taken during April 1-30, 2016:

WHITES: Sanders: 52% Clinton: 28% Trump: 29%
BLACKS: Sanders: 67% Clinton: 60% Trump: 14%
HISPANICS: Sanders: 52% Clinton: 50% Trump: 14%

MILLENNIALS: Sanders: 55% Clinton: 38% Trump: 22%
MEN: Sanders: 53% Clinton: 32% Trump: 28%
WOMEN: Sanders: 57% Clinton: 45% Trump: 16%

CONSERVATIVES: Sanders: 29% Clinton: 26% Trump: 36%
MODERATES: Sanders: 57% Clinton: 37% Trump: 22%
LIBERALS: Sanders: 78% Clinton: 51% Trump: 9%

No college: Sanders: 47% Clinton: 38% Trump: 26%
Some college: Sanders: 57% Clinton: 32% Trump: 23%
Graduated college: Sanders: 62% Clinton: 39% Trump: 21%
Postgraduate work: Sanders: 65% Clinton: 53% Trump: 11%

Perhaps these poll results are not what you expected because of what M$M tell you or even what the election results tell... something you might contemplate.
Do you see the wakes? Hillary is losing key demographic groups nationally; Bernie is gaining those demographics... and its not over. However, do you appreciate why Hillary is doing everything to force Bernie out of the race? I do.

It is becoming clear already that Hillary cannot win in November and Bernie Sanders will. In the pretend GE campaign Trump and Hillary have been conducting over the last 10 days, Hillary has gone from +2 to -3pts, a shift of 5 points in 10 days! That's losing 1/2 point per day nationally. This ongoing slide combined with the Gallop poll details above are exactly why Bernie will win in November. Trust me when I tell you the Democratic leadership is well aware of these realities. If they fail to select Bernie Sanders at the convention they will surely lose with Hillary and they know it. Count delegates all you want but when the rubber meets the road and a Trump presidency looms large, what do you think the Democratic Party and delegates, super or family-size, will do?

Well, I tell you, I don't much care because I will be right outside with a bunch of Bernie supporters to persuade Bernie to continue to November because he will win.
So, I ask you, is it time to lose the battle or is it time to redefine the battlefield?

From July 23 and culminating on July 25th, the Peaceful Revolution for Democracy will assemble in Philadelphia to:
Monitor fairness of the DWS-DNC convention
Seek redress to our grievances regarding voter suppression and election fraud
Show our support of Bernie and his platform
Support Bernie's continued run for the Presidency to November regardless of the outcome of the DWS-DNC convention

Thanks for your time.



(81 posts)
5. Bingo
Fri May 20, 2016, 12:08 AM
May 2016

I started out to encourage and ended up being even more encouraged. Time to press even harder is what I just heard.

THANK YOU for this important information!!!



(19,089 posts)
9. Oixi ...
Fri May 20, 2016, 01:30 AM
May 2016

You are a breath of fresh air .... WELCOME TO DU !

I've been a lifelong Progressive Democrat, and while I am a bit flustered by what has happened to this Democratic Party, I do totally agree with you - Our way is forward, and our path is Progressive government ... Bernie has brought all of this forward, and I am so glad he did ...

Bernie, win or lose, has a greater role to play in our lives - We need to capture the energy of this movement, and bring to fruition by focusing on the same goals .... We knew immediately that Bernie was NEVER going to pass legislation through the Tea Party congress, so, we also understood that this is a long term movement, and will require extended effort, perhaps over a number of election cycles, in order to CAUSE this to happen .... We need to organize ... to PROUDLY organize ... a new movement that treats ALL citizens with equal respect, and that actually lifts ALL citizens so THEY can live their 'American Dreams' too ...

Thanks for that shot of inspiration ... we needed it ... I certainly did ...

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