Bernie Sanders
Related: About this forumCan anyone count the total regular delegates won by Sanders from open primary states?
I'm not able to use Internet right now...
If we look only at delegates, not super-delegates, and for primary states that allow Independents to vote...
...wouldn't we be ahead?
I'm thinking we would, and I'm thinking that these numbers would be far more representative of what happens against the GOP.
What do you all think?
northernsouthern
(1,511 posts)That is a bunch of work since many states are still allocating, so each site has its own numbers. I have a spreadsheet at home but even that one is off with possible gains by Bernie in a few states as the consolidate the delegates.
P.S. I was Loling about I'm not able to use Internet right now...
Go to greenpapers for delegates you lazy lazy person.
CentralCoaster
(1,163 posts)northernsouthern
(1,511 posts)Ok I will buy that one, I used that line on troll here the other day to make him post links, but I said I did not know how to use google.
CentralCoaster
(1,163 posts)After I get back to my Mac I can do some work on my own, hoped someone might have it handy.
northernsouthern
(1,511 posts)northernsouthern
(1,511 posts)You can't really use primaries. It has pretty much been said multiple times they are not representative of the actual election. Plus open and closed are less a call on the race, but it is 100% turn out. Every win of Bernie's has been close to or above 2008. Polls are your best bet, and he is winning in them all for vs Trump.
SoapBox
(18,791 posts)I just saw a graphic this morning and of course now can't find it...
It was surprising, if looking only at delegates (sans superdelegates) it's close...and there are about 1600 delegates left.
CentralCoaster
(1,163 posts)i think we are leading.
Bernin4U
(812 posts)If you eliminate Closed Primaries, it's H 1063 vs B 953.
If you eliminate Semi-closed Primaries (Registered Dems or undelcared only), it's H 931 to B 825.
TX, GA, and AL are all open primary states that gave her +72, +44, and +35 respectively. Bernie's single biggest win was WA at +47.
CentralCoaster
(1,163 posts)And, if we took deep red states out of the picture I imagine we look better.
Those states are going to go to the GOP anyway, how we did in the primaries isn't so important to the general.
Thanks for the numbers!
TexasBushwhacker
(20,278 posts)pokerfan
(27,677 posts)CentralCoaster
(1,163 posts)Liberalator
(74 posts)The Wikipedia Democratic Party Presidential Primaries 2016 site (21 Apr 2016):
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_Party_presidential_primaries,_2016
The page breaks the Democratic primaries into 8 categories:
(1) Closed Primary (CP) (5) (Sanders 1 win; Clinton 4 wins)
(2) Semi-Closed Primary (SCP) (4) (Sanders 2 wins; Clinton 2 wins)
(3) Semi-Open Primary (SOP) (1) (Sanders 0 wins; Clinton 1 win)
(4) Open Primary (OP) (13) (Sanders 3 wins; Clinton 10 wins)
(5) Closed Caucus (CC) (9) (Sanders 6 wins; Clinton 3 wins)
(6) Semi-Closed Caucus (SCC)(1) (Sanders 1 win; Clinton 0 wins)
(7) Semi-Open Caucus (SOC) (2) (Sanders 1 win; Clinton 1 win)
(8) Open Caucus (OC) (3) (Sanders 3 wins; Clinton 0 wins)
Total: 38 (Sanders 17 wins; Clinton 21 wins)
Total Delegates:
Sanders: 1205
Clinton: 1446
Closed Primary:
Sanders: 237
Clinton: 363
Semi-Closed Primary:
Sanders: 128
Clinton: 132
Semi-Open Primary:
Sanders: 62
Clinton: 81
Open Primary:
Sanders: 441
Clinton: 678
Total Primaries:
Sanders: 868
Clinton: 1254
Total Closed/Semi-Closed Primaries:
Sanders: 365
Clinton: 495
Total Open/Semi-Open Primaries:
Sanders: 503
Clinton: 759
Closed Caucus:
Sanders: 134
Clinton: 92
Semi-Closed Caucus:
Sanders: 17
Clinton: 8
Semi-Open Caucus:
Sanders: 48
Clinton: 29
Open Caucus:
Sanders: 138
Clinton: 63
Total Caucuses:
Sanders: 337
Clinton: 192
Total Closed/Semi-Closed Caucuses:
Sanders: 151
Clinton: 100
Total Open/Semi-Open Caucuses:
Sanders: 186
Clinton: 92
Total Closed/Semi-Closed Primaries and Caucuses:
Sanders: 516
Clinton: 595
Total Open/Semi-Open Primaries and Caucuses:
Sanders: 689
Clinton: 851
Total Closed Primaries and Caucuses:
Sanders: 371
Clinton: 455
Total Open Primaries and Caucuses:
Sanders: 579
Clinton: 741
CentralCoaster
(1,163 posts)He's definitely viable and I agree with the pollsters that he would be stronger in the general than Clinton.