I'd like to suggest we NOT do any "Hillary should withdraw" threads at this time.

[Ken Burch]

1)It's not cool when they've done that to us, so why do unto them?

2)At this stage, we are still behind(though gaining ground)in delegates and votes, and we need to avoid sounding arrogant or presumptuous.

3)If Bernie does get nominated, we will desperately need buy-in from HRC supporters in the fall, and it is likely that they will feel really, really resentful if we and when we do pull this out at the buzzer. Angry as we all have every right to be about they shit they have pulled, it's in our interest.

Let's put whatever we feel at this point into a focus on sweeping the remaining primaries and closing at least to a dead heat in delegates and, if at all possible, a lead in raw votes.

If HRC does start to look like a truly discredited candidate(which, I think, would become obvious if we won in NY), it will become apparent to her own campaign that she needs to get out. It doesn't help us to try to jump-start that process when we still have ground to make up and millions of voters to persuade.

On to victory!

[pangaia]

1. I think Hillary should quit because she is a terrible candidate.

On to victory !!!!

[Ken Burch]

2. The way to make that happen is to keep beating her at the polls.

The more that happens, the more the regular Dems will pressure her to get out. They and the late primary voters are the only people she will listen to on that.

If she does get out, we will need to bring as many of her supporters into our tent as we can, as quickly as possible, in order to prevent the nightmare of a Biden draft.

We're more likely to achieve that objective if we create the facts on the ground, rather than pushing her ourselves to get out.

Wisconsin proves we can beat them on the merits. Let's do it that way.

[pangaia]

4. Bernie is going to clean her clock in NY.

That will be it. ."Bye, bye ,here's a pie in her eye. Hopped a jet to Manhattan , but she came up dry. Oh she wishes she could crawl up and hide."

[Ken Burch]

6. That should be "hopped a 'copter to Chappaqua", though. n/t.

[pangaia]

8. LOL

[Aquavit]

10. I am really really really hoping

that we can pull off a 65-35 result in New York. Nothing would make me happier (except maybe a 65-35 result in California too!)!

[draa]

7. She's not going anywhere.

I'm certain she still believes that no matter what happens the superdelegates will give it to her at the convention. And I have to say I'm not so certain that they won't.

In fact, I'm betting that even if Bernie wins the delegate count and the most states the party will still go with Clinton. Why? They see him as an outsider, and given that they're under no obligation to give an Independent the Democratic Party nomination they will go party first. At least that's the way I see it going down (but I hope that I'm wrong).

I'm firmly convinced that the Democratic Party doesn't care about losing voters as long as they protect the system. They may even be willing to lose the election to keep the corrupt, corporate friendly structure in place. That's also why the GOP is freaking about Trump. The system must survive. And that thought process prevails in both parties.

[pangaia]

9. ++ especially the last paragraph. They are all in it together.

They are like a gated community.

[SheilaT]

3. The truth is, that this will not be decided until

the June 7 primaries. It really is going to go down to the final round of states.

Actually, DC has its primary June 14, a week later, but I sincerely doubt its delegates will matter, although it could conceivably be that close.

[Ken Burch]

5. It could come down to that. That would explain the effort to knock Bernie off the D.C. ballot.

If the race were still in play then and Bernie were to win in D.C.(which he could potentially do), it would not only devastate HRC, it would destroy the toxic "only young white guys support Bernie" meme ONCE AND FOR ALL(as Hawaii started the process of destroying it).

[Baobab]

11. Would she endorse Bernie?

if he's clearly wining by a wide margin?

[Ken Burch]

13. I don't actually know.

On the one hand, she wouldn't want to be blamed for contributing to the Democratic Party losing the presidency in November. On the other, her leadership role in the anti-progressive wing of the party since the late Eighties means she is heavily invested in the argument that no one to the left of her personal comfort zone could possibly end up in the White House.

[Baobab]

14. Her + Bill's WTO committments block Bernies entire platform

So the two are mutually incompatible.

Economists don't know this, though. Nobody knows it .

Which is strange.

[Carolator]

12. If she continues to lie...and falsely attack

... she SHOULD withdraw.

She is hurting the party.

[Ken Burch]

15. Agreed. But the people who can persuade her of that

are those allied with the establishment wing of the party.