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Sat Mar 19, 2016, 08:59 PM

 

Call Me Cassandra: I am no longer worried about Hillary.

After spending way too much time reading up on the CONTENT of the wiki leak emails, I think she is going to be facing a criminal prosecution before the convention.

Bernie needs to stay in the race, and continue to work his bottom off.

I think things are going to get very ugly; Hillary was given rope, and hung herself. Between the issues with Blumenthal copying Top Secret material and how he had access when he was banned as well as the ties with the Clinton Foundation, the evidence is damning. As usual, it is part of her continuing pattern of bad judgment: a completely unnecessary stupid decision.

I think the True Believers will be very upset as they seem 100% convinced of her - I don't even know what to call it. Purity of Spirit? Noble Intent? Something that makes no sense to me. Sigh. Not my problem; I've got my own disillusionment to deal with.

I trust Obama to make sure the right thing gets done. I am grateful I do not have his job.

This isn't really "Bernie vs. Hillary" - it is "Obama vs. Hillary Rnd 2" because he *knows* what is going on behind the scenes, and has to decide if he's going to let it continue.

I don't think he will. As I said, call me Cassandra, but I think he's going to take her down.

You just don't mess with someone who plays Chicago politics.



P.S. I am not going to answer the Hillary folk who respond to this thread and will be putting them on ignore. This is my opinion, based (as I said) on my reading of the evidence. She endangered national security, and if she is deemed above the law...

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Reply Call Me Cassandra: I am no longer worried about Hillary. (Original post)
IdaBriggs Mar 2016 OP
angstlessk Mar 2016 #1
IdaBriggs Mar 2016 #2
cui bono Mar 2016 #3
bernbabe Mar 2016 #5
angstlessk Mar 2016 #8
bernbabe Mar 2016 #13
angstlessk Mar 2016 #20
RoccoR5955 Mar 2016 #21
JDPriestly Mar 2016 #34
Gwhittey Mar 2016 #42
thesquanderer Mar 2016 #47
in_cog_ni_to Mar 2016 #12
bernbabe Mar 2016 #16
IdaBriggs Mar 2016 #17
riderinthestorm Mar 2016 #4
Capt.Rocky300 Mar 2016 #7
Fawke Em Mar 2016 #36
RobertEarl Mar 2016 #10
in_cog_ni_to Mar 2016 #15
RobertEarl Mar 2016 #19
in_cog_ni_to Mar 2016 #6
IdaBriggs Mar 2016 #11
in_cog_ni_to Mar 2016 #18
JDPriestly Mar 2016 #35
Fawke Em Mar 2016 #37
Oilwellian Mar 2016 #46
corkhead Mar 2016 #9
IdaBriggs Mar 2016 #14
yourpaljoey Mar 2016 #22
noiretextatique Mar 2016 #23
Fawke Em Mar 2016 #38
Hell Hath No Fury Mar 2016 #24
Dragonfli Mar 2016 #25
merrily Mar 2016 #28
JDPriestly Mar 2016 #40
merrily Mar 2016 #41
notadmblnd Mar 2016 #26
merrily Mar 2016 #27
Land of Enchantment Mar 2016 #29
bernbabe Mar 2016 #31
Land of Enchantment Mar 2016 #32
Major Hogwash Mar 2016 #30
bbgrunt Mar 2016 #33
bernbabe Mar 2016 #39
bbgrunt Mar 2016 #43
felix_numinous Mar 2016 #44
arikara Mar 2016 #45
ladyVet Mar 2016 #48

Response to IdaBriggs (Original post)

Sat Mar 19, 2016, 09:06 PM

1. Obama has already endorsed hillary

he will not indict her under any condition...I used to say bush* could murder a baby in Macy's window and nothing would be done...there ya go!

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Response to angstlessk (Reply #1)

Sat Mar 19, 2016, 09:08 PM

2. That report turned out to be false and he had his people deny it.

 

The very PROMPT denial is part of what makes me think he is not going along with it.

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Response to angstlessk (Reply #1)

Sat Mar 19, 2016, 09:11 PM

3. No, he hasn't.

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Response to angstlessk (Reply #1)

Sat Mar 19, 2016, 09:12 PM

5. Obama doesn't do the indicting

That's up to the DOJ. If the DOJ wants to indict, Obama could try to intervene, but then that could get very messy, publicly messy.

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Response to bernbabe (Reply #5)

Sat Mar 19, 2016, 09:21 PM

8. HIS Dept of Justice!

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Response to angstlessk (Reply #8)

Sat Mar 19, 2016, 09:33 PM

13. He is not King

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Response to bernbabe (Reply #13)

Sat Mar 19, 2016, 09:41 PM

20. See just one post down

Doesn't Obama appointed Attorney General Loretta Lynch have to agree to the indictment?

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Response to angstlessk (Reply #20)

Sat Mar 19, 2016, 10:48 PM

21. Yeah, and that AG

 

is supposed to be impartial.

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Response to angstlessk (Reply #20)

Sun Mar 20, 2016, 12:55 PM

34. It will look terrible for Obama if an indictment is in order and there is no indictment.

Obama still has a life to lead and money to earn and most important a legacy to think about.

If Hillary needs to be indicted, or if her staff needs to be indicted, indictments will be issued.

I really thought the e-mail scandal was just another right-wing bit of troublemaking and slander.


But when I read about the disclosure of very secret information from informants in Sudan that was sent to Blumenthal via clearly insecure e-mails (didn't someone hack Blumthal's e-mail and wasn't that how Hillary's e-mail account was discovered), I realized that lives may have been jeopardized here.

It's whether lives are jeopardized that appears to have been an issue in the Chelsea Manning case as I understand it (and I have not done research on this so I am not sure). That's the question about Snowden. Did he jeopardize any lives? I haven't seen any evidence to that effect with Snowden, but certainly here, with the names of Sudanese informants being sent in an e-mail to Blumenthal's hackable account, we have that problem.

So, I am one who just thought the e-mail scandal was another Republican boondoggle, but now I am having second thoughts.

If people need to be indicted, in this political situation, they will be indicted I think.

Hillary is hated by the right-wingers. If they have the chance to damage her personally, they will. They are unforgiving.

A special prosecutor could be named.

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Response to angstlessk (Reply #8)

Sun Mar 20, 2016, 04:18 PM

42. Watergate. Obama would not ever sit on this

 

Hillary is not well like by Obama admin. He was pissed at her actions as SoS and over the primary. 2008 primary was one of the worst DNC ones I remember ever for rat-fuckery(until this one)

At end of a 2 term President all cabinet members resign. Usually when a cabinet member does not get appointed after that it is because the President did not want them back and resigning saves him the trouble of firing someone. There is no logical reason for her to not continue a 2nd term as SoS. 3 years out of spot light is not a good idea for someone running for POTUS. But thanks to the idiot Republicans she got plenty of press off Benghazi shit. If those dumb asses had not mad such a circus out of it this email shit would of sunk her campaign.

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Response to Gwhittey (Reply #42)

Sun Mar 20, 2016, 08:34 PM

47. re: "There is no logical reason for her to not continue a 2nd term as SoS."

She may have genuinely wanted to leave SOS. I wouldn't assume she was pushed out. There was tons of money to be made giving speeches, and then a presidential campaign to pursue.

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Response to bernbabe (Reply #5)

Sat Mar 19, 2016, 09:33 PM

12. Doesn't Obama appointed Attorney General Loretta Lynch have to agree to the indictment?

I don't see that happening.

I hope Ida is correct, but it's hard to say if a Democratic presidential candidate would be indicted under a Democratic administration and by his appointed AG.

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Response to in_cog_ni_to (Reply #12)

Sat Mar 19, 2016, 09:38 PM

16. And if the FBI thinks they have strong evidence

And others in the DOJ think she should be indicted, like I said things could get publicly messy.

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Response to in_cog_ni_to (Reply #12)

Sat Mar 19, 2016, 09:38 PM

17. The last time a presidential candidate's legal issues were ignored

 

under the assumption that being President would protect him from a sexual harassment law suit, Bill Clinton got impeached for getting a blow job from an intern who didn't swallow while hanging out in the White House, and the Democratic brand was tarnished for multiple elections, which severely impacted their ability to attract financial donations.

Not saying the folks at DNC are the brightest bulbs in the box, but right now Hillary is their bread-and-butter. If it looks like she's going down, they will dessert the sinking ship (if you will pardon the mixed metaphors).

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Response to IdaBriggs (Original post)

Sat Mar 19, 2016, 09:11 PM

4. RelationShip status: it's complicated

 

I don't think he'll take her down. He's on record as thinking she's the best successor.

No way he agrees to Loretta Lynch indicting her.

That said, the fallout from a FBI recommendation to indict?

Yeah. Yuuuge

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Response to riderinthestorm (Reply #4)

Sat Mar 19, 2016, 09:21 PM

7. That's if it becomes public knowledge......

and that's a big if.

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Response to Capt.Rocky300 (Reply #7)

Sun Mar 20, 2016, 01:20 PM

36. It would leak.

No way the people investigating this case let their hard work go to waste.

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Response to riderinthestorm (Reply #4)

Sat Mar 19, 2016, 09:23 PM

10. If he is going to seek justice

 

He's in a tight spot. He probably wishes Bernie had just friggin' won already allowing Hillary to go peacefully.

But if he sees she's going down hard and he can't get her to move aside, well... he's not going out on a limb unless he has to.

Lynch already told him 'hands off; and Obama is way too smart to get his ass in a legal jam, so I don't see him trying to avert justice.

As far as us pleebs go, it doesn't look good for Hillary. Thank gawd Bernie's hanging in there.

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Response to RobertEarl (Reply #10)

Sat Mar 19, 2016, 09:35 PM

15. Maybe Bernie knows something we don't know.



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Response to in_cog_ni_to (Reply #15)

Sat Mar 19, 2016, 09:41 PM

19. Some Birdie has been singing, I'm sure

 

We know about this, Bernie knows even more.

But what can he do? He did say ""we don't want to hear about your emails" and I took that as a statement that the deepness of it goes way down and whatever shall be will be.

Has Bernie recently laid off going right at Clinton the way he did weeks ago? If he has pulled back maybe he knows he can coast on her and start looking at the GE?

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Response to IdaBriggs (Original post)

Sat Mar 19, 2016, 09:20 PM

6. I so hope you're right.

I really need to go dig into WikiLeaks tomorrow.

Should be interesting reading.

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Response to in_cog_ni_to (Reply #6)

Sat Mar 19, 2016, 09:31 PM

11. Let me help you get started.

 

Hillary Clinton Has an NSA PROBLEM http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511524355

It's not just about the CLASSIFICATION of the emails - it's about the CONTENT http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511529406

An exerpt of the emails from Wikileaks, specifically between Clinton and Blumenthal http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511527603

Hillary Clinton's Felony. The federal laws violated by the private server http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251552653

so here's what we know from the newest dump of HRC emails. http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511509720

And from me -

"This fire needs gas." (Sidney to Hillary, 10/26/2012) http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511517415

There are more on DU and tons of links to reputable, credible sources.

I do not understand why she is even running at this point. Denial is not just a river in Egypt.

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Response to IdaBriggs (Reply #11)

Sat Mar 19, 2016, 09:41 PM

18. Thank you!

I will definitely hit those links on my laptop tomorrow...Thanks so much!

I think the Clintons think they're untouchable/ invincible since surviving Whitewater. Times have changed though. Liberals now know all the damage they did while in office and aren't going to be defending them this time around. We know who they really are.

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Response to IdaBriggs (Reply #11)

Sun Mar 20, 2016, 01:19 PM

35. Wow! It almost looks like Hillary hired Blumenthal as a sort of intelligence agent.

Was Blumenthal paid by the Clinton Foundation?

If true, then what does that mean about Hillary and what does that mean about the Clinton Foundation?

The plot thickens.

Ugggggh!

I'm not a Hillary fan, but this kind of makes me feel sick to my stomach. I feel sorry for people who get themselves into messes like this.

By the way, Sidney Blumenthal is a brilliant man. But he was not hired by our government. It's OK if he feeds intelligence to the government even though he is not employed. But there is something rather sick and underhanded about what appears to have been going on based on these e-mails.

What did Hillary do with the information she was getting from Blumenthal?

Did she share it with Obama?

Did Obama know where it was coming from?

Hillary is just not a straightforward person.

Was she building a power base and a separate branch of the State Department so that she would look good or for what reason?

Or was she perfectly on the up-and-up with Obama about her Blumenthal source?

Another reason to vote for Bernie. He's just so much more honest.

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Response to JDPriestly (Reply #35)

Sun Mar 20, 2016, 01:34 PM

37. The question is where Blumenthal was getting his intel.

From his emails, it look as though he was receiving classified info from State without holding top secret clearance.

That's a BIG no-no.

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Response to Fawke Em (Reply #37)

Sun Mar 20, 2016, 06:51 PM

46. Actually, it's the NSA claiming he lifted their information

directly from their intel reports. They also said one of the reports he lifted from had just come out the day before he sent the same information, word for word, via email.

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Response to IdaBriggs (Original post)

Sat Mar 19, 2016, 09:22 PM

9. If what you say is true, and the DNC power brokers can't stop it

you would think they would prefer that it came out about when it becomes impossible for Bernie to get enough delegates to get the nomination on first ballot. Then we would end up with a similar situation to the Republicons at the convention.

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Response to corkhead (Reply #9)

Sat Mar 19, 2016, 09:34 PM

14. If DNC stops the indictment process, the Republicans will own her on Day 2.

 

It really makes no sense.

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Response to IdaBriggs (Original post)

Sat Mar 19, 2016, 11:04 PM

22. I have been watching this closely. Bad juju.

Bad in so many ways.

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Response to IdaBriggs (Original post)

Sun Mar 20, 2016, 09:42 AM

23. rw talking point

never mind the FBI is investigating while Obama is still President. so, Obama, Loretta Lynch and the FBI are in on the vast conspirarcy against the inevitable one...it is insane

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Response to noiretextatique (Reply #23)

Sun Mar 20, 2016, 01:48 PM

38. I've decided every time her sycophants yell, "Benghazi!" as a means to dismiss this, I'm going to

yell, "Ostrich!", right back at them.

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Response to IdaBriggs (Original post)

Sun Mar 20, 2016, 09:57 AM

24. Because of O I don't think there will be an indictment BUT --

 

if the FBI thinks there is something there that was indictable and O's Justice Department doesn't do anything about it, expect to see the Bureau leaking like a sieve to the media about it. That in and of itself will be damaging to both O and Clinton.

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Response to IdaBriggs (Original post)

Sun Mar 20, 2016, 10:07 AM

25. She IS deemed above the law IMO as I have said quite unambiguously. she shouldn't be but...

Hillary's campaign doesn't fear indictment or the FBI, because the Rule Of Law doesn't apply to her

We no longer have the rule of law in this country because the law does not apply to everyone. We have laws that apply to serfs, and a "ruling class" that has become quite literally above the law, so Hillary, her campaign, and her supporters aren't in the least bit afraid of the FBI, the justice Dept. or any chance there will be any indictment no matter the evidence acquired via testimony from a witness granted immunity. In fact, even a mountain of evidence will have no effect on one such as Herself.

Sure, you can go to prison for stealing food if you are a serf, you can go to prison for growing a plant even. But the rule of law only applies to peasants. If you are a high government official, a thug doing their dirty work (rape, murder, torture, kidnapping, anything really) or are a billionaire that profits those in high public office (stealing billions in money or real estate, killing people by denying procedures and medicines as the "gatekeepers of health", or imprisoning people for the sake of profit) you are above the law, the law simply doesn't apply to you.

Once when these same facts were true in a monarchy that made the same distinctions regarding royalty and serf classes, there were those that rebelled against such an immune royalty which were allowed to abuse the people, steal everything from them (their homes, their crops, what few meager coins they managed to earn, even their lives) and face no consequences. Revolutions were fought and promises were made by the victors, Promises such as the rule of law applies to all or it applies to none. Promises that now ring hollow as the champions of a fair government slowly over time devolved back into what was and what always had been, a system of an elite few above laws possessing nearly all the wealth while laws were used exclusively against their victims - the majority that go hungry and grow sick under the rule of that elite....

More at link


One of Hillary's most ardent supporters even agrees she need not fear justice

ucrdem (8,730 posts)
3. The Obama admin has no interest in pursuing this so your best hope is that the Clinton admin will.

hint:


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Response to Dragonfli (Reply #25)

Sun Mar 20, 2016, 10:23 AM

28. You are right. However, if she is the Democratic nominee, a prosecution will not occur. JMO.

She should be treated no differently than anyone else would be, but we all know equal protection of the laws is a myth, whether at the local, state or federal level.

Every now and again, they do go after someone high up, but even that is seldom about equal justice and more about grinding an axe of one sort or another.

McCain violated FEC laws in 2008 and quietly paid back the money. Edwards was guilty of adultery and of having a very rich, older woman dote on him and got prosecuted to the hilt for violating FEC laws while his kids were going through 99 problems. Charlie Rangel had an investigation hanging over his head through something like three election cycles, with the President saying on national TV that he should resign, etc. It amounted to very little compared to what goes on and never makes the news.

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Response to merrily (Reply #28)

Sun Mar 20, 2016, 04:08 PM

40. Good points!

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Response to JDPriestly (Reply #40)

Sun Mar 20, 2016, 04:09 PM

41. Thanks, JD.

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Response to IdaBriggs (Original post)

Sun Mar 20, 2016, 10:11 AM

26. I agree with your assessment with regards to HRC

and hope you are correct in regards to Obama.

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Response to IdaBriggs (Original post)

Sun Mar 20, 2016, 10:17 AM

27. No, we have to work off OUR bottoms.

Bernie has been working off his bottom since before his informal announcement.

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Response to IdaBriggs (Original post)

Sun Mar 20, 2016, 10:28 AM

29. Grand Jury....

would hand down the indictment...

The writing was on the wall for me when I read about the staffer receiving immunity. My understanding is they just don't do that unless they are going to seek indictment(s).

from CNN

Bryan Pagliano, a former Hillary Clinton staffer who helped set up her private email server, has accepted an immunity offer from the FBI and the Justice Department to provide an interview to investigators, a U.S. law enforcement official told CNN Wednesday.

http://hotair.com/archives/2016/01/24/what-can-the-fbi-do-about-hillary-clinton-without-a-grand-jury/

Andrew Mccarthy points out this weekend that there’s something important missing from the process at this point: a grand jury.

In an ordinary case, that would not be a point worth making. The FBI routinely conducts major investigations in collaboration with Justice Department prosecutors — usually from the U.S. attorney’s office in the district where potential crimes occurred. That is because the FBI needs the assistance of a grand jury. The FBI does not have authority even to issue subpoenas, let alone to charge someone with a crime. Only federal prosecutors may issue subpoenas, on the lawful authority of the grand jury. Only prosecutors are empowered to present evidence or propose charges to the grand jury. And the Constitution vests only the grand jury with authority to indict — the formal accusation of a crime. In our system, the FBI can do none of these things.

No Justice Department, no grand jury. No grand jury, no case — period. As a technical matter, no matter how extensively the FBI pokes around on its own, no one can be a subject of a real investigation — i.e., one that can lead to criminal charges — unless and until there is a grand jury. That does not happen until the Justice Department hops on board.



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Response to Land of Enchantment (Reply #29)

Sun Mar 20, 2016, 11:07 AM

31. I served on a grand jury

The FBI is still investigating, when/if the DOJ thinks it has a case it will take it to a grand jury for indictment. Grand Juries are almost rubber stamps, government prosecutors don't like to take cases they don't think they have a high chance of winning.

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Response to bernbabe (Reply #31)

Sun Mar 20, 2016, 11:46 AM

32. I bet it was fascinating serving on a GJ and

a memorable experience. I was reading up this morning about the Saturday Night Massacre and had forgotten a lot of the details of that over time.

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Response to IdaBriggs (Original post)

Sun Mar 20, 2016, 10:34 AM

30. This is the major reason why Hillary has no coattails.

She will not be able to drag any new Democrats with her into either House of Congress, if she were to become the nominee.

That's why she won't be the nominee.

Bernie will be the next President of the United States.





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Response to IdaBriggs (Original post)

Sun Mar 20, 2016, 12:40 PM

33. I really can't see the Dem adm taking down one of their own--

much less a Clinton. What worries me is that if she becomes the nominee, on day 1 the republicans will go batshit insane and she will not have the grace to step aside for the sake of the country.

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Response to bbgrunt (Reply #33)

Sun Mar 20, 2016, 02:50 PM

39. Well

the FBI is supposed to be non partisan (although probably many are republicans), and the DOJ as well. The case should be judged solely on it's merits. If the FBI has evidence but the DOJ refuses to prosecute I'm sure there will be leaks and the fit will hit the shan.

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Response to bernbabe (Reply #39)

Sun Mar 20, 2016, 04:24 PM

43. I wish I had as much faith that either the FBI or DOJ were really

independent. As you say, however, there will be leakages regardless and that will lead to a terrible outcome. All we can hope is that this occurs before she is coronated. Whatever, I don't expect her to put the country before her own ambition and the turmoil will tear the Democratic party apart.

In the end Nixon stepped down. I'm not sure "fighter" Hillary would.

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Response to IdaBriggs (Original post)

Sun Mar 20, 2016, 06:00 PM

44. In a country with the highest incarceration rate

we have neo cons and Nazis buying themselves into power, and it is a miracle that one willing to represent the people has been allowed to come this far. Before this the left has only had false promises and token representation, so this must be an accomplishment. What is going on reflects the level of corruption.

The truth is, what IS INEVITABLE is that people will not put up with being robbed and lied to much longer. Every generation is being screwed over worse than the one before, so they may be able to delay the inevitable but not prevent it.

These are unpredictable times, we have no idea whether HRC will be indicted before the Fall, so there are many reasons to continue supporting Bernie Sanders all the way through.

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Response to IdaBriggs (Original post)

Sun Mar 20, 2016, 06:35 PM

45. I hope you're right

But unless times have changed, history indicates that if she is who the PTB want they will squash anything detrimental to her.

Look what they managed with Dubya the chimp, they successfully hid his drug arrests, desertion and much more even though it was all out in the public domain. The Fortunate Son author "committed suicide" after he finally managed to get the book published.

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Response to IdaBriggs (Original post)

Mon Mar 21, 2016, 10:48 AM

48. The way I see it, Obama has a big decision to make.

Is he willing to hang his entire legacy on Hillary? Because if he is, then he will go down as one of the worse presidents in recent history. He knows fully what that investigation is about, and I suspect he will refrain from interfering out of fear of her taking his office down with it.

The only way I see him stopping it is if he knew at the time what was going on while she was SoS. That would make him as guilty as she is, and he'd face prosecution as well.

If he cares about this country at all, he'll keep out of it and let her be indicted, hopefully within a month or so (especially if Bernie makes a strong showing and picks up enough delegates to beat her).

But, I've been disappointed before, and as much as I want to agree with you, Ida, I fear nothing will happen. Shades of Bush war crimes. Then we can look forward to impeachment of another Clinton should she manage to win the election. The country will continue to fail and sink even lower.

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