I want to bang my head against a wall EVERYTIME I read one of these statements...

[retrowire]

"Thank god for Bernie, at least he's pushing Hillary to the left."

"If not for Bernie, Hillary wouldn't be running as progressive a campaign as she is right now."

"I'm glad Bernie is running because now Hillary is focusing on true progressive values."

GIVEN HER HISTORY OF EXPEDIENCE, HER MANY YEARS OF FLIP FLOPPING, WHICH I SEE NO ONE DENYING, WHY THE FUCK DOES ANYONE REALLY BELIEVE HER?

Sorry for shouting.

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

1. I certainly don't.

It just means she's talking farther left briefly, while campaigning. It certainly won't affect her time in office, if she gets there.

[Bjornsdotter]

2. I don't believe her shift to the left

She has said she is a centrist and a moderate. I believe she will, if she is the nominee, shift back to the center.

[retrowire]

4. Just tell me WHY anyone would believe she is actually going left?!

That's what blows my mind.

[Bjornsdotter]

17. I think it's because

....Hillary and Bill are starting to parrot Bernie. They see the results Bernie is getting so they are trying to #stealthebern in order to gain votes.

We've all seen the "shift" and we know it isn't real.

Caveat emptor would be an excellent campaign slogan for Hillary.

[retrowire]

21. #stealthebern indeed.

I just can't believe people are buying it.

[peacebird]

16. She says she is centrist, and she is, IF the center is now moderate Republican.

[-none]

48. Correct.

Hillary has never been Center. She is to the Right of Obama and he is Right of Center also. Oh, did someone mention Reagan?

[SammyWinstonJack]

104. Oh, did someone mention Reagan? Obama did, in admiration.

[bvf]

106. Obama's done and said plenty of stuff

that I find appalling, but in all fairness, I don't think he was speaking of Reagan admiringly when he called him "transformational," if that's what you're referring to.

JMHO.

[-none]

107. Speaking of real democrats... Correct?

We finally have one running on what used to be the Democratic platform. A platform with the people in mind, and we are being told he is not a real Democrat. We are being told that nothing Bernie wants to do can work. By whom? The ever Rightward drifting backers of the 1% and the status quo, claiming to be the real Democrats.
Bernie is more of an actual Democrat than anyone running for President since ??? Carter? Kennedy? Eisenhower? Truman?

Eisenhower was the last true Republican to become President. Every single Republican President elected after him, are guilty of impeachable crimes against the American People... Often deserting of prison time, though none have been tried.

[erronis]

127. Excellent! It's all in the "message" - and HRC/DNC is heavy into messaging!

[daleanime]

62. +1

[debunction.junction]

66. Centrist today is way right of moderate Republican.

Eisenhower and Nixon would be flaming liberals by today's standards. Even Reagan would be to the left of today's moderate or centrist Democrat.

[marew]

25. In a heartbeat!

Donors will be calling in their chips! It has happened before.
http://www.ibtimes.com/clinton-foundation-donors-got-weapons-deals-hillary-clintons-state-department-1934187

The Clinton Foundation accepted millions of dollars from seven foreign governments during Hillary Rodham Clinton’s tenure as secretary of state, including at least one donation that violated its ethics agreement with the Obama administration.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/jun/10/hillary-clintons-favors-to-foundation-donors-stret/?page=all

While Hillary Was Secretary of State, Foreign Corporations in Favor of TPP Paid Bill over a Million Dollars
http://www.alternet.org/news-amp-politics/while-hillary-was-secretary-state-foreign-corporations-favor-tpp-paid-bill-over

[kacekwl]

110. IF

Hillary gets the nomination we must continue the revolution by not letting her get away with moving to the right which we know she will. It is still our country .

[djean111]

3. You are right - I always picture her laughing merrily and uncontrollably at that.

I hate that some people think we are stupid enough to believe that utterly baseless bullshit.

[retrowire]

6. I'm just scared that there are actually people stupid enough to believe it. nt

[Hatchling]

85. Mmmm.

Maybe I should increase my Cymbalta.

[Divernan]

100. It's vital to the One Percent that Americans be kept to poor to travel abroad

and too xenophobic to read foreign newspapers/news outlets on the internet. Then they can still tell themselves that the U.S. remains as respected and loved as it was at the end of WW II.

[bernbabe]

5. Drives me nuts too

as if Hillary suddenly changing her positions to mimic Bernie is a good thing.

[retrowire]

7. She's got a proven RECORD of inconsistency!

She has been vetted! And still, people are believing she's being sincere this time?!?

Welcome to DU btw!

[PWPippin]

41. Oh, no. She's consistent.

Consistently looking to see which way the wind blows.
Consistently adjusting her talking points dependent on the audience.
Consistently shifting her positions on policies.
Consistently claiming her current stance is the one she's always held.
Consistently living up to her record of being untrustworthy.

[CaliforniaPeggy]

8. She's a political chameleon...

There's no way I'd ever believe her. Lying is as natural to her as breathing.

[Downwinder]

12. It's her nature.

[Rebkeh]

9. I don't get it either. It's baffling.

Here's an idea... Vote left!

[peace13]

10. If her lips are moving..

[agracie]

13. Yep.

[ghostsinthemachine]

11. Yeah me too....

Cuz you know all the lefty talk she is giving now, the reality will be not that. She wont go after banks, will allow the TTP, Keystone and still be anti union, pro offshore...And still be pro oil wars.

[TBF]

14. I just saw that on Facebook -

on the page of someone I admire, but find extremely naive.

No, he hasn't pushed her to the left. As soon as the nomination is in her little hands she will run back to her banker friends.

They are saying this so that we think "well Bernie tried" and then obediently fall in line.

And they can kiss my ***.

So, that is how I feel about that.

[retrowire]

19. Ah ha! You said it! I knew someone else caught on!

"They are saying this so that we think "well Bernie tried" and then obediently fall in line."

It is a "pat on the back" oh well, at least Hillary supports what he supports! See?! It's not so bad! And it's all thanks to you and your candidate! Now get over here! D

As Bernie said, "Don't insult their intelligence." And that's clearly what they're doing.

[Bjornsdotter]

28. I'm already in line

.....and it isn't the Hillary line.

[peacebird]

15. It is completely bogus. She is pandering to progressives, but will pivot back to the right for GE

Btw - she openly has NRA lobbyist doing fundraiser for her.

[TIME TO PANIC]

22. It's mainly corporate media pundits saying that.

They don't believe her, they just think their audience is dumb as shit.

[TheProgressive]

23. People are funny...

Bernie Sanders has held and fought for progressive values and issues his entire life.

Clinton has held and fought for republican values most of her life until she started
running for president and then all of a sudden she's a progressive.

Who do you believe will hold and fight for democratic progressive values if they are president?

[Old Codger]

24. Progessive campaign?

She is running an echo weathervane follow the leader chameleon campaign and only til she wins it then back to the right with her repug pals , fortunately she won't win..

[Gregorian]

26. There are different philosophies on life.

Good for profits; bad for society. That sums up what I heard on Richard Wolff's latest podcast. And this is exactly the results of unconscious people taking advantage of the system in order to gain wealth.

I don't think it's malicious. And people can start out poor, become wealthy, and then become unconscious people. Who is that recording magnate who just tried to use Bernie as his platform for animals? Ellison. He offered his endorsement to Bernie if in exchange Bernie would promote his animal related platform. It sounds like a good platform, but, Bernie didn't think it is what the people want, said no, and Ellison went on his way. He then endorsed Hillary Clinton. So I imagine we'll be hearing from Clinton about her new plan which regulates some kinds of animal farming.

So I think when you are irritated by what you say in your post, it is probably from this political direction. One is financial, and the other is people. One is put first before the other. When in reality, we are a community of humans. Animals. That's what we are, and we should be conscious of that. The money is in the wrong direction, although we have been trained to behave as though it is the essential. So when we hear Bernie putting humane propositions on the table, we are filled with glee.

[silenttigersong]

67. Not Ellison _Russell Simmons

[Gregorian]

73. Yes. Now where did I hear it.

From Jane. I found it.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511415708

I think I might even be in that thread saying something general about how money makes some people behave weird.

[Kittycat]

27. Me too, me too!!!

If she makes it to the GE, she'll slide to the right of her challenger. Just wait.

#whichhillary

[ejbr]

29. I don't see many of her supporters

caring if she calls herself moderate or progressive; they will support her either way. The scheme is to convince the media to reduce Sanders candidacy as unnecessary since she supports the same things. Then, when he is out of the picture, she can pivot to the things her donors want. If not on the campaign, then once in office.

[bvf]

111. ^This is spot on.

No one ever accused Goldman Sachs, et al. of being stupid.

One quibble: I don't think the media needs any convincing. With few exceptions, they're firmly in her pocket.

[ejbr]

114. True

The media needs no convincing.

[riderinthestorm]

30. Agreed. nt

[Mbrow]

31. K&R

[cer7711]

32. We don't.

[litlbilly]

33. Keep shouting retro, and dont stop. we need to keep pushing

[JDPriestly]

34. You are so right, Retrowire.

[Cassiopeia]

35. I'm with you.

Hillary hasn't truly adjusted to a more progressive set of values and beliefs, she's only adjusted her campaign rhetoric.

Hillary is further to the right than many Republicans of our near past regardless of the bullshit she spouts off during this primary.

[tomm2thumbs]

36. Watch. Rinse. Repeat.

[BernieforPres2016]

37. Anybody making those statements is like Charlie Brown from the comic strip Peanuts

Every fall, Lucy would swear she would hold the football for him to kick and would not pull it away. Every fall, she would tell him she wouldn't do it again. Every fall, he would end up on his back again.

[Volaris]

71. And one of these days, Charlie is gonna get growed up

kick Lucy in the side of the head, and say
Sorry, I was aiming for where the football usually is.

Keep pushing, were closer everyday.
Go, Bernie, GO!

[malthaussen]

38. It's called "whistling past the graveyard."

What is more ironic, IMO, is that so many of those who say such things have no concept of holding Mrs Clinton accountable after the fact.

It's oddly similar to those who praise negotiations because "at least they're talking." It's a real confusion of form with substance.

-- Mal

[Snotcicles]

39. Late to evolve, Likely to betray. nt

[Tragl1]

40. For me it's her stance on the TPP...

https://wikileaks.org/tpp-ip3/press.html

Basically, she's adopted the populist position, I fear she will flip on this pretty much from the first day in office. If you care about the environment and about workers in this country not driven to compete with slave wage economic states i.e. Vietnam. You can't risk a vote for her, I'm going to be fair, she is a thousand times better than any republican, but let's really analyze who she is. She is a centrist, corporate "democrat", she is not "progressive."

Anyways, great point.

[99th_Monkey]

42. Bernie undeniably "changed the conversation", but you're right: he hasn't changed Hillary one whit

Just watch her pivot hard-Right on a fucking dime, if she becomes the nominee.

Which will be a much more accurate predictor re: what she'll do if elected POTUS.

[Paper Roses]

43. Please, shout loud and clear! n/t

[warrprayer]

44. Kick

And rec.

[dana_b]

45. she is only saying this to get elected

and she knows that she needs us in order to do so. If she wins the GE, she will go back to being the corporate-loving, talking out of both sides of her mouth, flip flopper that she is.

[Hydra]

46. We've already seen this before

And whatever you can say about Hillary, she's consistent on her stances regardless of what she chooses to say at any given time.

She is not a progressive. She doesn't support LBGT equality or any other human rights. She's against economic justice. Social justice is just a buzzword to her and her peeps. She supports the Bush Admin stances on war and gov't powers.

She's just supposed to abandon her core values because some nutty socialist from Vermont is getting some traction? Plz...Whatever it takes to win, Team Hill has said so.

[sarge43]

47. I certainly don't

I have to break in a new crap detector. She broke mine when she spun, "I wanted to join the Marines, but they were mean to me."

Yes a tiny fib when compared to some of her wowzers. However, enough small pieces add up to a complete mosaic. She doesn't seem capable of telling the truth. This is far worse than merely the bs treatment.

Finally, there's nothing funny about the death of another human being, no matter how benighted that person was.

[Hatchling]

86. And she doesn't need to make those little fibs.

She's certainly had an interesting enough life without having to make up marine and sniper fire fibs. :tsk

[cantbeserious]

49. This Citizen Believes Nothing Said By That Candidate

eom

[90-percent]

50. "I'm against the TPP as it is currently written" - paraphrasing Hiilary

"Take out that one comma and I will fully support it" - hypothetical Hillary.

Just practicing my weasel wording techniques.


-90% Jimmy

[retrowire]

52. And my favorite one, from the very first debate.

Cooper: "Hillary, would you expand Social Security?"

Hillary: "I would... (pause to think about how to word the answer to a fucking YES OR NO question) ENHANCE Social Security."

What the fuck?? The question is, WOULD YOU EXPAND IT. WHAT THE FUCK DO YOU MEAN, ENHANCE?

Might as well say, "I would.... Embiggen Social Security."

[Paulie]

74. Embiggen is what Bernie wants

I think the word you were maybe looking for was "Rightsize"

[retrowire]

75. lol yes. nt

[RoccoR5955]

51. I KNOW that she will do anything to get votes

then when it comes to doing anything, she will side with big business, as she usually does most of the time.
I do not want to play roulette and hope that she puts through some of the things that are good for the people, I want to be SURE that my candidate will do whatever is possible to get the things through for WE THE PEOPLE, no them, the corporations!

[Smarmie Doofus]

53. You are correct. What she SAYS is a matter of no consequence whatsoever. nt

[LS_Editor]

54. She is also under investigation by the FBI, and the denial around here is epic.

This is not right-wing mythology like Benghazi.

There is a criminal investigation being conducted by the FBI focusing on Hillary Clinton's private email server, and the person responsible for setting the server up has been given immunity by the Justice Department.

[angrychair]

55. I don't believe her.

always about her and winning.

[cadaverdog]

56. What's really interesting to me, unless I've missed it, there isn't one Hillary supporter

responding to this OP. Could it be that they have all given up on denying the obvious? Nah.

Hillary learned from the best: both Billary and Barack made grand promises while campaigning, and then did major, in-your-face flips once they were in office. Why in the world should we expect her to be any different?

[retrowire]

57. They probably won't respond to this thread

because they've convinced themselves that somehow, we the Bernie group ban every single person who doubts Bernie in here, which isn't the case. Though, I know we've tightened the rules lately.

[bvf]

116. This bears repeating over and over:

For a good laugh, compare this group with the HRC group in terms of number of subscribers to blocked members.

The HRC group has nearly twice as many blocked members as it has subscribers. I think they'll hit the magic two-for-one threshold within a week or so.

[Marie Marie]

58. I think I remember that some Democrat (I wish I could remember who) once said

something to the effect of: You campaign to the left and govern to the center. Or that you campaign the primaries to the left and the general to the center. Anyone else remember this and can clarify this meme?

[zentrum]

59. Yes, it's not that

…she means it. Not at all. But Bernie has now made it the conversation to have. He's legitimized an entire set of ideas that, before, were brushed off like dandruff by the MSM and their candidates.

He is the 99% in at the microphone for the first time. The Baggers got about 7 candidates and a terrified Republican Congress for their efforts but the 99 got nothing—until Bernie.

This is scant consolation, but for this corporate nation, it's been like turning an ocean liner in a storm.

Movements take relentless work and commitment.

We can't tune out on politics if Bernie is not the candidate. His candidacy is the closest we've gotten to the prize in 50 years.

[BlancheSplanchnik]

109. ^

So well said.

[azurnoir]

60. she will say anything to get a vote, why on Earth people believe that is beyond me completely

[platitudipus]

61. She could take a lot of the mystery out of her campaign,

if she would tell us who she would put in her cabinet.

[INdemo]

63. If Hillary wins though she will shift back to center/right before she takes

the oath of office. Her cabinet appointments will be the first sign that she is truly not a progressive or anywhere near the left.
Obama convinced us he was a progressive but we sure found out in a hurry he was not and paybacks was his first priorities..
Sec. of Treasury,Budget Director ,the left overs from Bush era...No Hillary will be much worse..
She only talks about being a progressive like when she has said she was "never for NAFTA"
Now that was a hell-of-joke...

[Blue State Bandit]

64. How fortunate we are to be pandered to so....

pathetically.

And they compare us to Trump supporters.

Sheeesh....

[retrowire]

65. Yep, just shut up and be thankful she's at least SAYING the things we like to hear! nt

[Blue State Bandit]

72. She should have to say "Brought to you by Brawndo".

after every speech.

[dchill]

68. Hillary doesn't get pushed ANYWHERE...

that takes her nose too far from big money's ass.

[Enthusiast]

69. Kicked and recommended! You have identified the problem.

[Elmer S. E. Dump]

70. I don't believe that for a second.

[GoneFishin]

76. Ditto. I don't give a shit what words come out of her mouth. Words don't mean shit from Turd Wayers.

[arcane1]

77. And NONE of them will say "If not for Bernie, Dem turnout would be 3 times as dismal as it is"

[retrowire]

78. That's a fact I didn't think about myself.

If Bernie wasn't involved and getting all us newcomers in the game, I'd be sitting back and watching. I'd think BECAUSE THE MEDIA IS ASSURING ME AS MUCH, that Hillary will be fine.

But then.... Trump.

It's a good thing that Bernie got me interested in politics to begin with, OTHERWISE, no one would have my vote. ever.

[Unknown Beatle]

79. I have never been fooled by her constant evolving.

She flip flops more than an ocean full of fish out of water.

[SamKnause]

80. Untrustworthy.

She has earned my distrust.

[blackspade]

81. I don't.

[erlewyne]

82. Excellent thread retrowire !!!

Hillary talks shit!

How could Trump be any worse? than Hillary !!!


We have to do this together.

DNC, MSNBC, CNN, FOX ... all think we are so gullible.

[ChiciB1]

83. It's Like If You Believe THIS, The I Have A Bridge To

SELL YOU! Problem is, it's MSM who's doing so much of it ALL THE TIME! Hear it over and over and HEY, it MUST be true!

Truth be known, people will believe what they want to and IF they support the issue or person the message is embedded in their brain! All objectivity goes out the window. Then, go out and talk the talk and OBVIOUSLY it must be true!

This country has been fed an overabundance of this SHIT for way too long, and far too many have become brain washed. There can be no other explanation for why people here who are actually shown real facts REFUSE to accept it.

For this, WE WILL ALL SUFFER!

[LiberalElite]

84. I don't believe her for a nanosecond nt

[billhicks76]

87. Words Mean Nothing

It's all lies and obfuscation from the Clinton camp. It's just a game about power with them. They do not care about the people. How else could they support mass incarceration while sipping champagne?

[Akamai]

88. If Hillary wins the nomination, I will wholeheartedly vote for her, like Bernie and Thom Hartmann.

I have given money to Bernie (tonight I gave 60$) and will give more, but if Hillary wins the nomination, I will support her totally.

People seeking to divide us may well be Republicans, mischief makers.

As Democrats, we should be ABSOLUTELY pledged to wholeheartedly support our candidate. Anything else leads to supporting the Republicans.

Go Bernie!!!

[retrowire]

90. This is how I feel as well... but my OP is dividing no one and I don't see how your post

relates to the topic on hand.

[Akamai]

128. The post following yours demonstrates why I made my statement. Go Bernie!

[Fawke Em]

121. The thing is, I don't consider Hillary a Democrat.

I've been well aware of the Party's rightward lurch, but the contrast that Bernie brings to the table makes it so clear, that I've made the decision to leave the Party if he's not the nominee.

[Thespian2]

89. Unfortunately,

Many Americans do not recognize a Lie when they hear one, especially when it is a Clinton talking...

Go ahead Dems, nominate Her Royal Highness and watch when the Repugs kick her ass...

[yuiyoshida]

91. K&R

Tweeted

[retrowire]

92. You tweeted my op? :D nt

[840high]

93. I believe minus zero what Hillary says.

[whereisjustice]

94. No one believes her. Seriously, not even her fans. She is a liar. Brings NOTHING

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to the party except greed, corruption, lack of ethics and tall tales.

[LiberalLovinLug]

96. Disagree

Her minions seem to believe every new evolved position she scrambles to. So why wouldn't she pursue this tactic? It worked well for the current President, who used that tactic against Hillary herself and won with it.

[Ivan Kaputski]

95. I have a deep well founded distrust for filthy rich people.

[retrowire]

112. my well is deepening everyday. nt

[Spitfire of ATJ]

97. The ones that get me is when a Hillary supporter treats "the radical left" as the enemy.

[Beartracks]

98. If she can get pushed to the left...

... she can spring back to the right.

Or, put another way: If she HAD to get pushed to the left, she WILL spring back to the right.

===============

[Helen Borg]

99. She is already gone back to the right

Now that she believes she is the one again....

[monicaangela]

101. Great question retrowire!

Those very same people will call you stupid for not voting for her, even though they know her record. They appear to be blinded by the right....Trump that is, and the rest of the clown car that appears to have them so frightened they can't seem to think straight, either that or they just want to see somebody in the white house with name recognition, regardless of their past history and record of lying to the public, or, it's because she's a democrat, and it appears many have been trained to believe democrats can do no wrong, well after all, they will hurt you less than a republican. Key two words are "hurt you," but they seem to skip over that thinking the pain will be slightly less. Which in effect means they'll suffer slowly rather than be dealt with right away, same difference as far as I am concerned.

[mdbl]

102. she will triangulate to the rich and the righties

that you can count on.

[SammyWinstonJack]

103. I don't believe her nor do I trust her. Not sure why anyone would.

[islandmkl]

105. 'I meant it when I said it...' is her go-to conscience mode - she's made her supporters

accept of 'the soft comfort of lies' her whole public life...

[Dont call me Shirley]

108. We don't want to see you get Traumatic Brain Disease, retro..

Just pound a punching bag.

[Populist_Prole]

113. I agree. Any populist rhetoric from her is counterfeit

Because it sounds so much better than "Who else are you going to vote for? Republicans? Ha ha ha ha ha!".

[Lorien]

115. I'll say it again:

A few of the reasons why I can't vote for Hillary, but will vote for Bernie:

Iraq
TPP
KXL
Pro arctic drilling
Pro for Profit Prisons
Pro Monsanto
Bankruptcy bill
Voting for a border fence
Saying child migrants should be sent home
Using her position as SoS to push fracking on the rest of the world
Wall Street donations
Six digit speaking fees
Taking money from weapons deals
Honduras
Comments about nuking Iran
Voted to raise credit card interest rates
NAFTA
DOMA
DADT
Opposing gay marriage in New York State
Brownbeck Amendments
Glass-Steagall
No living wage
No free college
No universal health care (ACA coverage gap....ACA will never provide UHC)
No medical Marijuana
Supports mandatory sentencing
Says that she's "proud of" the way Walmart does business
Libya
Yemen
Syria
Egypt
United States-Chile Free Trade Agreement Implementation Act
United States-Singapore Free Trade Agreement Implementation Act
Free trade - Oman agreement
Voted FOR Gitmo. --- Hillary voted against the Byrd ammendment and against a large majority of democrats to reduce Guatanamo funding by $36,000,000. She joined the republican majority against the majority of democrats in supporting Guantanamo.
Pro death penalty
Pro cluster bombing
Clinton policies lead to the largest mass incarceration of human beings in the history of the world
and the list goes on...

Hillary wants to attack Iran: http://www.globalresearch.ca/hillary-clinton-if-im-president-we-will-attack-iran/5460484

Hillary pushed Fracking on the rest of the planet: http://www.motherjones.com/environment/2014/09/hillary-clinton-fracking-shale-state-department-chevron

Hillary and childhood poverty: http://www.salon.com/2015/10/15/the_worst_thing_hillary_clinton_has_ever_done/

What Hillary calls "feminism" : https://www.jacobinmag.com/2015/03/hillary-clinton-womens-rights-feminism/

How women workers faired at Walmart when Hillary was on it's board:

Hillary's campaign had a gender pay gap: http://freebeacon.com/politics/hillary-clintons-campaign-has-a-gender-pay-problem/

Hillary takes millions in campaign cash from her "enemies": http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2015/10/14/hillary-takes-millions-in-campaign-cash-from-enemies

Hillary on Gay marriage in 2004:

&feature=youtu.be

Hillary open to raising the retirement age and reducing SS benefits: http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2015/10/hillary-clinton-indicates-she-is-open-to-raising-the-retirement-age.html

Bernie has a MUCH better record of accomplishments as Senator than Hillary does: https://pplswar.wordpress.com/2015/10/21/fact-bernie-sanders-got-more-done-in-the-senate-than-hillary-clinton/

When you ask me to vote for Hillary: https://medium.com/@Lookingforrobyn/when-you-ask-me-to-vote-for-hillary-174becdb5ccc#.2ixs3cg5o

Hillary's legacy of pushing the party to the right: http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/33869-hillary-clinton-s-ghosts-a-legacy-of-pushing-the-democratic-party-to-the-right

Chomsky: Democrats are now moderate Republicans:http://trofire.com/2015/09/23/noam-chomsky-dems-are-now-moderate-repugs-republicans-are-now-off-the-spectrum-of-reality/

The political compass finds Bernie to be the most centrist candidate, Hillary falls into the right wing Authoritarian spectrum:: http://www.politicalcompass.org/uselection2016

Bernie rejects big fundraising events: http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/features/2015-03-26/bernie-sanders-hates-money-in-politics-the-very-thing-he-ll-need-to-beat-clinton

Debunking the "Bernie has a Super PAC" lie: http://www.rawstory.com/2016/02/debunking-the-big-bernie-sanders-has-a-superpac-lie/

Elizabeth Warren on Hillary Clinton: https://www.facebook.com/shaunking/videos/986305904741661/

A comparison of bills put forth by Bernie and Hillary: http://giphy.com/gifs/clinton-vs-sanders-bills-passed-according-to-congressgov-3o6gaQaIZcGAW7hCfu

Hillary helps a bank, which then funnels millions to the Clintons: http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/07/hillary-helps-a-bankand-then-it-pays-bill-15-million-in-speaking-fees/400067/

Under Sanders, incomes and jobs would soar:http://money.cnn.com/2016/02/08/news/economy/sanders-income-jobs/

Electing Bernie would usher a wave of "Bernie Democrats" into Congress: https://newrepublic.com/article/129047/bernies-army-running-congress

Bernie vows to stop disastrous TPP deal: http://ecowatch.com/2015/10/05/sanders-stop-tpp-deal/

Bernie's foreign policy positions are solid and through: http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/02/bernie-sanders-foreign-poicy-213619

Hillary's foreign policy record is dismal: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/scott-ritter/hillary-clinton-foreign-policy-record_b_9221284.html

Bernie has plenty of foreign policy knowledge: http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/02/bernie-sanders-foreign-poicy-213619

Hillary's foreign policy record is a disaster: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/scott-ritter/hillary-clinton-foreign-policy-record_b_9221284.html

Top economist, UN advisor and climate activist: "Clinton is a danger to world peace" http://m.dailykos.com/stories/2016/2/15/1485382/-Top-economist-UN-advisor-and-climate-activist-Clinton-is-a-danger-to-world-peace

The pragmatic case for Bernie Sanders: http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/02/the-pragmatic-case-for-bernie-sanders/462720/

Who could beat Trump? Bernie by a wide margin, while Hillary could lose against him: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/h-a-goodman/bernie-sanders-destroys-donald-trump-by-13-points-6-more-than-clinton-_b_8936840.html

Bernie Sanders would beat Donald Trump 51-38 in a general-election: http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/poll-against-bernie-sanders-donald-trump-would-get-schlonged-20151223#ixzz3zvCwk44J

Poll shows that Hillary could easily lose to Trump in the General election: http://www.inquisitr.com/2667052/poll-shows-hillary-clinton-could-easily-lose-to-donald-trump-in-general-election/

Hillary voted to allow more carcinogens in drinking water: http://usuncut.com/news/hillary-clinton-groundwater-pollution/

In Europe, Sanders would be Center-Right: http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2016-01-19/in-europe-sanders-would-be-center-right

[Duval]

125. Thanks, Lorien! nt

[secondwind]

117. KICKETY KICK!

[sammythecat]

118. Bernie Sanders is Hillary's top advisor

Bernie says something and people seem to respond...well, then she'll say that too. Very simple formula. Whatever they like to hear, say that's what you're going to do. Whatever that may be. If Hillary was a Republican she'd be talking about building a giant wall and having Mexico pay for it.

WHATEVER! "Tell me what they want and I'll promise to give it to them. Tell me what they don't like and I won't like it either." Politicians make promises all the time and then do whatever the hell they want once they get in. It's what they do and she knows that and does it as well as anyone. Bernie Sanders has never done that. He has been fighting the same fight to enable a better life for all Americans throughout his career.

[PatrynXX]

119. I believe her as much as Donald

there's no way he's not stopping the outsourcing of jobs to Mexico etc

[basselope]

120. No she will...

[imwithher16]

122. "I like Hillary, But..." For Hillary skeptics/undecideds, check out...

"I like Hillary, But..." For Hillary skeptics/undecideds, check out [link:http://www.ilikehillarybut.com|

[retrowire]

123. This is the Bernie group....

Promoting the candidate that we don't support here and are decidedly not supporting is... not very productive.

[mdbl]

129. that website didn't say anything I didn't know

What I want to know is will she pledge to block every assault on the middle class that is going to come from the right whacked out congress or will she invite them to lunch? That's the difference.

[Duval]

124. I do not believe her at all.

Hey, it's ok about the SHOUTING!

[INdemo]

126. Hillary would be farther to the right or just as far to the right as Romney

The only thing I care about with a Democratic President is the SCOTUS appointments and a National Right to Work law and I don't trust Hillary on either one..
She owes Corporate America so much if they push National Right to Work law Hillary would probably say how great that would be for labor...
She is going to approve the TPP and Keystone so look for her to give the Corporate Mafia what they wish for.