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AndyS

(14,559 posts)
Wed Dec 15, 2021, 11:09 AM Dec 2021

Yesterday a gunner told me I had to compromise with them.

I have been told that I must compromise with gunners to get any additional restrictions on guns. Let us see what gunners have now before we consider giving them more in exchange for any crumbs they offer.

Gunners have:

More guns than people in the US. Sixty-five times more guns than all the military and all the police forces in the country combined.

Legal protection for gun sellers, makers and distributors from civil suits. The only industry with such protection.

Unfettered access to guns without a background check. They're called 80% receivers and are available on the internet to ANYONE. Even a 13 year old can buy and assemble a gun kit.

'Must issue' licenses and concealed carry permits. No human intervention regardless of local and familial concerns.

Guaranteed purchase of a gun in 3 days even if the background check hasn't been completed by a system that doesn't even report all agencies to the background data base.

Over the counter retail access to military grade weaponry that can be easily and legally converted to emulate full auto machine guns. Bump stocks are on again/off again legal and auto-sear/forced-reset trigger assemblies haven't been addressed.

100 round magazines available over the internet with no background check to go with those converted full auto guns some of which were assembled from 80% receivers with no background check.

Thirteen states have 'constitutional carry' with no restrictions on concealed or open carry, many with no background checks or training.

Thirty eight states have 'stand your ground' laws allowing anyone who feels threatened to shoot another person without the responsibility to retreat if possible. Note the words “feels threatened”.

Those are just the highlights of what I'm supposed to compromise with. What do they want for a compromise?

Universal reciprocity for concealed carry licenses; get a CC in one state and carry anywhere across state lines.

“Clarify” the 1934 National Firearms Act that defines guns that are regulated, ie machine guns, sawed off shotguns and rifles, silencers and 'other destructive devices'. The NFA requires a $200 tax and extensive background check for each weapon bought. Yes, Virginia, you can buy a full automatic machine gun for just a $200 tax and the retail price. Also grenade launchers and other assorted things. 'Clarify' is gunner shorthand for eliminating all the distinctions and selling all this stuff to everyone over the counter at the local gun store.

What next? Subsidize the ownership of guns? A monthly gun supply tax credit?

So, NO I'm not compromising with gunners. FUCK GUNNERS.

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Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
1. +1. Gunners and gun profiteers won't be happy until everyone is walking around like Rittenhouse.
Wed Dec 15, 2021, 11:34 AM
Dec 2021

Then, they'll all want to get the next great lethal weapon to defend themselves against all the guns on the street.

Gunners -- and I'm not talking about the guy who has a rifle or two AT HOME for hunting and home defense -- are a blight on society.

CrispyQ

(36,827 posts)
2. I only found out what 80% receivers are this week.
Wed Dec 15, 2021, 11:48 AM
Dec 2021

I didn't realize half the things you mentioned. The gun love in this country is perverted & sick.

AndyS

(14,559 posts)
3. What else does a gunner have that I'm supposed to compromise with?
Wed Dec 15, 2021, 12:18 PM
Dec 2021

There are no electronic records kept of gun sales by federal law. If a gun shows up at a crime scene the ATF has to open cardboard boxes of paper records and rifle (no pun intended) through thousands of paper records that aren't organized by any method to find out who owned the gun last.

These 'records' are kept at the gun store where the gun was sold, not turned over to law enforcement. An agent has to physically go to the store and open those boxes of records in the store.

The only electronic searchable database of gun owners is at the NRA which has been compiling that data for marketing purposes. They know more or less who has purchased what gun since the mid '70s. Information is given to the NRA by gun sellers voluntarily for the promotion of more gun sales but the Federal government can't compile the same information to track crime guns.

CrispyQ

(36,827 posts)
4. I had no idea.
Wed Dec 15, 2021, 02:30 PM
Dec 2021

I'll bet most people don't. This is just crazy. The gun love in this country is sick.

AndyS

(14,559 posts)
5. If the general public had any idea how guns are treated and how many
Wed Dec 15, 2021, 02:34 PM
Dec 2021

special carveouts there are or how many guns are in civilian (untrained and unregulated) hands we'd have a massive shift away from gun culture immediately.

I make that my job going forward. I invite everyone who reads my posts to help me. Tell just one other person.

lastlib

(23,667 posts)
7. I regret that I have but one rec to give for this post.
Thu Dec 16, 2021, 12:45 AM
Dec 2021

Our gun laws are so insane that they could only have been written by stark raving lunatics. Or gun humpers. But I repeat myself........

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