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billh58

(6,635 posts)
Wed Apr 11, 2018, 06:48 PM Apr 2018

The ACLU's Position on Gun Control

This past weekend, hundreds of thousands of protestors from around the country took to the streets to demand action against gun violence. The movement has been energized by young people who turned out en masse in response to the horrific shooting in Parkland, Florida, in which 17 people — most of them teenagers — lost their lives. We applaud the many students who have exercised their speech rights to seek change. This moment calls on us to act not only to ensure that massacres like Parkland do not recur but to end the everyday gun violence that takes exponentially more lives from our communities. It also demands that we do so in a manner consistent with our most cherished civil liberties and constitutional rights.

Lawmakers across the country are currently considering a range of gun control measures. The American Civil Liberties Union firmly believes that legislatures can, consistent with the Constitution, impose reasonable limits on firearms sale, ownership, and use, without raising civil liberties concerns. We recognize, as the Supreme Court has stated, that the Constitution does not confer a “right to keep and carry any weapon whatsoever in any manner whatsoever and for whatever purpose.” But some proposed reforms encroach unnecessarily on civil liberties.

When analyzing gun control measures from a civil liberties perspective, we place them into one of three categories. First are laws that regulate or restrict particular types of guns or ammunition, regardless of the purchaser. These sorts of regulations generally raise few, if any, civil liberties issues. Second are proposals that regulate how people acquire guns, again regardless of the identity of the purchaser. These sorts of regulations may raise due process and privacy concerns, but can, if carefully crafted, respect civil liberties. Third are measures that restrict categories of purchasers — such as immigrants or people with mental disabilities — from owning or buying a gun. These sorts of provisions too often are not evidence-based, reinforce negative stereotypes, and raise significant equal protection, due process, and privacy issues.

Many of the options now being considered raise no civil liberties concerns. That includes bans on assault weapons, high-capacity magazines, and bump stocks. Raising the minimum age for all gun ownership to 21, currently the legal age for purchasing a handgun, also raises no civil liberties issues, as research on brain development shows that young people’s impulse control differs from that of adults.

https://www.aclu.org/blog/mobilization/aclus-position-gun-control


NRA apologists and Second Amendment absolutists see all gun control measures as evil, when the evil actually begins with the right-wing for-profit gun lobby, and ends with innocent Americans being killed and maimed by gun violence. There are too many guns in too many wrong hands in this country, and that is about to change regardless of the screaming and gnashing of teeth from the right and their gun-toting supporters.

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The ACLU's Position on Gun Control (Original Post) billh58 Apr 2018 OP
And we must remind people that the NRA is, in fact, guillaumeb Apr 2018 #1
Miller time at the ACLU jimmy the one Apr 2018 #2
The article was published billh58 Apr 2018 #3

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
1. And we must remind people that the NRA is, in fact,
Wed Apr 11, 2018, 07:37 PM
Apr 2018

a lobbying arm of both Vladimir Putin and the weapons manufacturers.

jimmy the one

(2,708 posts)
2. Miller time at the ACLU
Thu Apr 12, 2018, 02:21 PM
Apr 2018

Well personally I have a kinda love hate relationship with ACLU (some of you too?), but I love this ACLU position on the 2nd amendment; dunno what the date is or if needs be updated, but it's post 2008 heller decision:

Gun Control The Second Amendment provides: "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

ACLU Position Given the reference to "a well regulated Militia" and "the security of a free State," the ACLU has long taken the position that the Second Amendment protects a collective right rather than an individual right.
For seven decades, the Supreme Court's 1939 decision in United States v. Miller was widely understood to have endorsed that view. This position is currently under review and is being updated by the ACLU National Board in light of the U.S. Supreme Court decision in D.C. v. Heller in 2008.

In striking down Washington D.C.'s handgun ban by a 5-4 vote, the Supreme Court's decision in D.C. v. Heller held for the first time that the Second Amendment protects an individual's right to keep and bear arms, whether or not associated with a state militia. The ACLU disagrees with the Supreme Court's conclusion about the nature of the right protected by the Second Amendment. However, particular federal or state laws on licensing, registration, prohibition, or other regulation of the manufacture, shipment, sale, purchase or possession of guns may raise civil liberties questions.

Analysis Although ACLU policy cites the Supreme Court's decision in U.S. v. Miller as support for our position on the Second Amendment, our policy was never dependent on Miller. Rather, like all ACLU policies, it reflects the ACLU's own understanding of the Constitution and civil liberties.

{2008 decision} Heller takes a different approach {than the 1939 Miller decision}than the ACLU has advocated. At the same time, it leaves many unresolved questions, including what firearms are protected by the Second Amendment, what regulations (short of an outright ban) may be upheld, and how that determination will be made.
https://www.aclu.org/other/second-amendment

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