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seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
Sun Nov 24, 2013, 05:03 PM Nov 2013

the past. we had such hard core, kick ass, loud feminists on du.

i was thinking about the years past, and we had women that knew their stuff. they put up with no shit. they were loud, educated, experienced in feminism. they were pure pleasure and a joy to listen to.

i miss them so much. so many have been kicked off the site. so many voice has been silent.

i was thinking, du has well melbatoasted the feminist community. those today think we are all that? nuthin' compared to the voice of the past.

so i further thought. i bet the gay community feels the same. i do not know for sure, so i ask. have you lost so many members, where your presence is just not felt or a part, like the past?

and the black community? do you feel the same?

has our minority groups, those that have had the least voice, those that took on the racism and sexism and homophobia... have we lost so many that on du, it is now just... plain?

i loved those women in all their abrasiveness, knowledge, strength. they taught me so much. in agreement and disagreement.





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the past. we had such hard core, kick ass, loud feminists on du. (Original Post) seabeyond Nov 2013 OP
I think during the Prop 8 we fiasco lost good members ismnotwasm Nov 2013 #1
Great gay purge Tien1985 Nov 2013 #2
It was bad and heartbreaking ismnotwasm Nov 2013 #3
I promise as long as I post on here I will be a strong allied voice Arcanetrance Nov 2013 #4
+1 ismnotwasm Nov 2013 #5
thank you arcane and everyones voice is wonderful. i even like my own, lol. but... seabeyond Nov 2013 #9
Sadly it seems alot of them were gone before I joined Arcanetrance Nov 2013 #16
the jury hide system would chew them up and spit them out. i am NICE and civil, lol seabeyond Nov 2013 #17
I have noticed it is difficult to call bullshit on bullshit Arcanetrance Nov 2013 #18
We all must be tied up in a pretty bow xulamaude Nov 2013 #19
must be palatable for consumption, or ... hide. how does one make rape pretty. or selling soiled seabeyond Nov 2013 #20
Well, that's just it isn't it? xulamaude Nov 2013 #21
spoon feed basic human (female) rights to people who are at least physically old enough to feed seabeyond Nov 2013 #22
not their mama. i already played that role and my boys know how to feed themselves, lmao. nt seabeyond Nov 2013 #23
I haven't been around long enough to miss these women BainsBane Nov 2013 #6
no insult to you, or me, or arcane, or ism or any of us. that is not the point. and seabeyond Nov 2013 #10
I definitely miss Red Queen and Helen Reddy BainsBane Nov 2013 #11
ya. nt seabeyond Nov 2013 #15
I miss them too! Tumbulu Nov 2013 #7
really? i didnt know. nt seabeyond Nov 2013 #12
As a woman who has been hanging around DU xulamaude Nov 2013 #8
Thanks for your support BainsBane Nov 2013 #13
You're welcome but xulamaude Nov 2013 #24
ahhhhh... seabeyond Nov 2013 #14
welcome to DU gopiscrap Nov 2013 #37
Hello ~ xulamaude In_The_Wind Nov 2013 #38
It's nice to be welcomed by folks xulamaude Nov 2013 #41
Every DUer is special. In_The_Wind Nov 2013 #42
As I said, it's nice xulamaude Nov 2013 #43
where is RedQueen? Tuesday Afternoon Nov 2013 #25
not only is she woman, she is a minority. one asshole on du, dont know who, compared what she was seabeyond Nov 2013 #26
sheesh. Tuesday Afternoon Nov 2013 #27
she is. but she didnt friend me. lol. so highschool. nt seabeyond Nov 2013 #28
well, I wish her well ... no matter. I remember Requeen from long ago. - Tuesday Afternoon Nov 2013 #29
. Tuesday Afternoon Nov 2013 #30
well.... i am going to have to start a thread soon, on the whole.... silent thing. ya. seabeyond Nov 2013 #31
ha. Great Gif !! Tuesday Afternoon Nov 2013 #32
If RQ is dancing like that xulamaude Nov 2013 #33
will is more my man.... seabeyond Nov 2013 #34
hugzzz.... seabeyond Nov 2013 #35
Likewise - and do dream of funky fun xulamaude Nov 2013 #36
System weeds out the Passionate One_Life_To_Give Nov 2013 #39
even if they have the wear-with-all.... they get snuff. lol. the candle. lol. seabeyond Nov 2013 #40
It's like I've said before about the party as a whole and women NuclearDem Nov 2013 #44
Just to let you all know, I don't post a lot, but I so appreciate you all speaking up to smirkymonkey Nov 2013 #45

ismnotwasm

(41,952 posts)
1. I think during the Prop 8 we fiasco lost good members
Sun Nov 24, 2013, 06:08 PM
Nov 2013

From the black and Gay communities. I know the more vocal Gay members talk about a gay purge from that time. I feel like AA members are less, but those a really good questions. I hope you get answers from those communities

Sea, the feminists left. I know a few were PPR'd, but most just walked away without a word, unless it was in a thread. The rise of other social media allowed them to find feminist friendly places. Remember Bliss eternal? We often exchanged pm's. The Ridiculous MRA's sealed the deal-- they make no sense whatsoever, but are good at derailing topics. It's one of the reasons I was so upset that anti- choice views are allowed here. First you have misgoynist assholes of one variety and then an another variety of asshole who thinks women shouldn't have human rights. I'm just glad the feminist groups exist.

Tien1985

(920 posts)
2. Great gay purge
Sun Nov 24, 2013, 07:15 PM
Nov 2013

From a few years before I officially became a member. It was bad enough that I stopped reading here for a while.

ismnotwasm

(41,952 posts)
3. It was bad and heartbreaking
Sun Nov 24, 2013, 07:22 PM
Nov 2013

I stayed mostly in the feminist forum at that time-- as I stay mostly here now--but even I took a break.

So much ugliness and pain.

Arcanetrance

(2,670 posts)
4. I promise as long as I post on here I will be a strong allied voice
Sun Nov 24, 2013, 08:03 PM
Nov 2013

and work hard to make this place more hospitable of feminist ideals

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
9. thank you arcane and everyones voice is wonderful. i even like my own, lol. but...
Sun Nov 24, 2013, 09:54 PM
Nov 2013

we had some real badass women. abrasive, harsh and fun. none of us could meet their level of offensive. i love. was just missing them. i got to be the one that would lighten stuff up, ect... coddle.

Arcanetrance

(2,670 posts)
16. Sadly it seems alot of them were gone before I joined
Sun Nov 24, 2013, 10:19 PM
Nov 2013

But new voices attempt to fill the voices lost and maybe with time some older voices will come back if we can change the climate here

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
17. the jury hide system would chew them up and spit them out. i am NICE and civil, lol
Sun Nov 24, 2013, 10:24 PM
Nov 2013

(really, i am mostly) and it does me. they wouldnt last under the jury system. offensive crap can be posted. but cant offend those that cheer the offensive. that is very very challenging for some of us.

wrap it up in a pretty bow, if one dares to challenge the offensive. how the hell can anyone have any honesty in conversation if we have to make the offensive pretty, in order to not offend.

 

xulamaude

(847 posts)
19. We all must be tied up in a pretty bow
Sun Nov 24, 2013, 10:41 PM
Nov 2013

in order to BE it seems. It really doesn't matter at all that our real, valid, personal physical integrity/life or death concerns have been used as, at best, joke material.

Sad.

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
20. must be palatable for consumption, or ... hide. how does one make rape pretty. or selling soiled
Sun Nov 24, 2013, 10:46 PM
Nov 2013

panties of children, to grown men to get off on. or rape porn for men to get off on.

i do not know how to talk about those things "nicely" so it is easily digested by our guys....

 

xulamaude

(847 posts)
21. Well, that's just it isn't it?
Sun Nov 24, 2013, 11:19 PM
Nov 2013

How long must women spoon feed basic human (female) rights to people who are at least physically old enough to feed themselves?

Sad.

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
22. spoon feed basic human (female) rights to people who are at least physically old enough to feed
Sun Nov 24, 2013, 11:27 PM
Nov 2013

themselves?

right on....

BainsBane

(53,010 posts)
6. I haven't been around long enough to miss these women
Sun Nov 24, 2013, 08:55 PM
Nov 2013

and I have no doubt we are missing out on a lot. I happen to think I'm pretty kick as on some of these issues though.

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
10. no insult to you, or me, or arcane, or ism or any of us. that is not the point. and
Sun Nov 24, 2013, 09:56 PM
Nov 2013

it may come out as if it was. read the post above i wrote to arcane.

and really a lot of people probably had a tough time with them.... but, they had their uniqueness.

Tumbulu

(6,268 posts)
7. I miss them too!
Sun Nov 24, 2013, 09:08 PM
Nov 2013

In fact sometimes I go back to the old DU and read posts. How these people educated me!

I don't know about the groups mentioned in your post, but we lost so so many in the Astrology, Spirituality and Alternative Healing Group. There are hardly any left. And they were banned for the silliest reasons as well.

 

xulamaude

(847 posts)
8. As a woman who has been hanging around DU
Sun Nov 24, 2013, 09:34 PM
Nov 2013

since... hell... 2006 at least and I have to say (before our 'friends' have me ts'd) that I miss those voices too.

BUT there are still women like you, Sea who keep digging/thinking/expressing

AND women like BainsBain who do every girl and woman who reads here the great service of laying out women's issues in plain language that ANYONE over the age of 12 should easily grasp and embrace and who will not accept deliberate obfuscation as an answer?

Although many of us have been silenced over the years, we still see you and respect you and support you. Remember that always.

XM

 

xulamaude

(847 posts)
24. You're welcome but
Mon Nov 25, 2013, 12:12 AM
Nov 2013

really, really thank you for hanging in and speaking for those who can't for whatever reason.

Your voice is the voice of millions.

Again, thank you.

 

xulamaude

(847 posts)
41. It's nice to be welcomed by folks
Mon Nov 25, 2013, 10:46 AM
Nov 2013

who are not normally contributors to this forum.

Makes me feel special.

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
26. not only is she woman, she is a minority. one asshole on du, dont know who, compared what she was
Mon Nov 25, 2013, 01:38 AM
Nov 2013

saying to the KKK. it bothered her. and jury let it stand. that bothered her even more. again, callin out the offensive, and she si compared to KKK and our community standard let it stand.

she gave du a finger, for a time i hope. i hope she will be back.

but. when you are a minority and a white guy compares you to the KKK it is pretty damn offensive.

oh oh, then she told the guy fuck you, or something and got a hide, lol. that is right. i forgot. totally offensive.

Tuesday Afternoon

(56,912 posts)
29. well, I wish her well ... no matter. I remember Requeen from long ago. -
Mon Nov 25, 2013, 01:56 AM
Nov 2013

I wonder can you name some of the ones ... in honor ... because after what I saw in that thread today ...

I just think that something is very wrong, very off.

I think minorities ~are~ losing ground.

I think the Democratic Party should be aware and not get sloppy just because they think the R's have lost it to the teabaggers.

Does not mean that we still can't lose next year.

I mean we should do it because it is the right thing to do but, as a party we should do it because if we don't we will lose elections.

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
31. well.... i am going to have to start a thread soon, on the whole.... silent thing. ya.
Mon Nov 25, 2013, 02:18 AM
Nov 2013

but redq, lol

she has quite a network of feminists she enjoys. she is probably all this



i have her email. i will get in touch with her in time. breaks are good.

One_Life_To_Give

(6,036 posts)
39. System weeds out the Passionate
Mon Nov 25, 2013, 10:16 AM
Nov 2013

Like sprinters in a marathon they burn brightly before being exhausted.

Been following DU since before Gore's election was stolen. I have witnessed many passionate people come and go. Most of whom left in frustration from the constant struggle. DU and the world have alot of momentum. Like a great ship it doesn't change course readily. Those expecting quick change seem to burn themselves out.

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
40. even if they have the wear-with-all.... they get snuff. lol. the candle. lol.
Mon Nov 25, 2013, 10:21 AM
Nov 2013


passion. thank you for the right word. that is absolutely it
 

NuclearDem

(16,184 posts)
44. It's like I've said before about the party as a whole and women
Mon Nov 25, 2013, 02:11 PM
Nov 2013

Women's issues are used as a wedge and a defining issue to separate the Democrats and Republicans. Those issues end up getting locked away in a breakable glass container labelled "Break in case of election." It's only ever truly brought to the forefront when a seat opens up and the party can use a Republican's anti-woman stance against them and score a political victory.

When it involves other Democrats and progressives, it becomes a wedge issue and accusations start to fly over "ideological purity" and feminists wanting to undermine Democrats. It's the same thing with civil liberties, war, LGBT rights, and support for the 99%. If anyone dares criticize Hillary on TPP, or Obama on the NSA or Syria, people knee jerk and accuse issues advocates of hating their politician of choice.

That said, I have been noticing something of a change with DU when it comes to dealing with misogyny, and it's that juries tend to be more forceful when it comes to dealing with bad posts. Pab got shown the door, and some really nasty misogynistic posts have gotten unanimous hides. It's hardly perfect, and there certainly is a contingent that works against feminist issues, but overall I think the environment is changing.

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
45. Just to let you all know, I don't post a lot, but I so appreciate you all speaking up to
Mon Nov 25, 2013, 09:42 PM
Nov 2013

the obnoxious and ubiquitous sexism here on DU. It is a tireless and thankless chore sometimes. I think I will start chiming in more. Not that most of these jerks will ever allow it to sink in.

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