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redqueen

(115,103 posts)
Tue Oct 16, 2012, 07:09 AM Oct 2012

"We live in a culture that condones and celebrates rape.

Within a phallocentric, patriarchal state, the rape of women by men is a ritual that daily perpetuates and maintains sexist oppression and exploitation. We cannot hope to transform rape culture without committing ourselves fully to resisting and eradicating patriarchy.”

- bell hooks, in Transforming Rape Culture, chapter ten: “Seduced by Violence No More”



Fighting rape culture isn't about 'reclaiming' words. It's about fighting the underlying forces that perpetuate sexualized violence and the idea that women's bodies are public property.

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"We live in a culture that condones and celebrates rape. (Original Post) redqueen Oct 2012 OP
sexual violence, torture and rape is mainstream entertainment, today. seabeyond Oct 2012 #1
This. ismnotwasm Oct 2012 #2
nobody "celebrates" rape Batman bin Suparman Oct 2012 #3
This troll has been PPRd. n/t MadrasT Oct 2012 #4
I'm. rereading that book now because of your quote ismnotwasm Oct 2012 #5
Another one ismnotwasm Oct 2012 #6
An excellent observation. redqueen Oct 2012 #7
3 white NY high school students in blackface re-enact Chris Brown-Rihanna beating seabeyond Oct 2012 #11
That is just so sad. CrispyQ Oct 2012 #19
the men of the ally tribe now trump the women of the tribe. seabeyond Oct 2012 #20
OK I ordered this book today. MadrasT Oct 2012 #8
I hope you like it. redqueen Oct 2012 #9
All reading groups fizzle out. CrispyQ Oct 2012 #21
LOL, I couldn't wait to read it MadrasT Oct 2012 #22
bad bad seabeyond Oct 2012 #25
do they really? i had never participated. seabeyond Oct 2012 #24
Yeah, it stands to reason... redqueen Oct 2012 #26
i had a hard time with the book, lol. i couldnt do it. well written. but, once they got to the seabeyond Oct 2012 #23
interesting... good to hear. let us know what you think. nt seabeyond Oct 2012 #12
They are trying to change the very definition of rape. Major Hogwash Oct 2012 #10
i think you are absolutely right. thank you for seeing, and speaking out. i agree. seabeyond Oct 2012 #13
Yes, the backlash is intensifying. redqueen Oct 2012 #14
You are absolutely right - they want to commit rape without being charged for it. CrispyQ Oct 2012 #15
Side tidbit of information... Did you know... MadrasT Oct 2012 #16
Oh yes, and in a few other places too. redqueen Oct 2012 #17
arent they already working on taking away the right to vote, for certain groups? seabeyond Oct 2012 #18
 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
1. sexual violence, torture and rape is mainstream entertainment, today.
Tue Oct 16, 2012, 08:20 AM
Oct 2012

and yet, we pretend that it doesnt effect us.

we will claim watching fox news has this massive effect of dumbing down people. but, continually being fed the rape of women to titillate and entertain the masses has no effect.

ismnotwasm

(41,977 posts)
2. This.
Tue Oct 16, 2012, 09:02 AM
Oct 2012

Some mega-idiot at Miami University wrote up this disgusting flier about the top 10 ways to get away with rape. It was posted in the men's bathroom inside a freshman dorm building. It's probably an attempt at humor but this is NOT OKAY.





http://www.buzzfeed.com/lyapalater/awful-how-to-get-away-with-rape-flier-is-awful



'Probably an attempt at humor'. More like 'probably an attempt at being a shit head criminal rapist psycho, because rape culture tells me this is funny'

oh, and don't forget to "lighten up"

ismnotwasm

(41,977 posts)
6. Another one
Wed Oct 17, 2012, 03:18 PM
Oct 2012
Listening to the stories of young women's experiences of sexual harassment in schools has led me to see that schools may in fact be training grounds for domestic violence: Girls learn that they are on their own, that the adults and others around then will not believe them or help them when they report sexual harassment or assault. The harassers find that their conduct is treated with impunity, sometimes even glorified. And other students, who may be witnesses of and bystanders to the harassing behaviors, absorb the lesson that sexual harassment is a public performance which is normalized, expected, and tolerated


"Transforming a Rape Culture; Still No Laughing Matter" (revised edition page 61)
Nan Stein

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
11. 3 white NY high school students in blackface re-enact Chris Brown-Rihanna beating
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 08:16 AM
Oct 2012
http://thegrio.com/2012/10/16/3-white-ny-high-school-students-in-blackface-re-enact-chris-brown-rihanna-beating/



Three white high school students in Waverly, New York, performed a satirical “re-enactment” of Chris Brown’s infamous beating of his then-girlfriend Rihanna, in blackface, at a pep rally in front of students, parents, community leaders, and the media.

The act has decried as racist by former students of the high school, and some have questioned the judgment of the school administrators who allowed such a show to be performed. Their students were participating in a competition to be crowned “Mr. Waverly.”

According to CNN, former Waverly High School student Vlad Chituc said, “I think it’s unconscionable that such blatant racism has been tacitly approved two years in a row.”




not a mention of misogyny for our children to consume. violence toward women as entertainment. racist, ya. but women.... meh. we have had a real good dose of that on du the last couple days.

no, it does not help when we teach our girls young.

CrispyQ

(36,461 posts)
19. That is just so sad.
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 01:43 PM
Oct 2012

To think that anyone would consider that entertainment, & then to not even have the violence against a woman even questioned, just the blackface.

In that book "An Unnatural Order" he explains the hierarchy. Men of the tribe are at the top, women of the tribe are next, then children, then the undesirable humans, then animals. However, if a tribe finds an ally tribe that they get along with & work with, the men of the ally tribe now trump the women of the tribe. I look at modern culture & I see it still.

It makes me wonder if Hillary Clinton had won the presidency, how much different would her treatment have been than Obama's, from both the extremists & the media. For every "angry black man" moment he had to avoid, she would have had the "that time of the month" moments to avoid - even at her age.

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
20. the men of the ally tribe now trump the women of the tribe.
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 02:37 PM
Oct 2012

i was going to say, how i see it today. and sure enough, i follow to your next sentence.

yes.

the om of australia dealt with that recently.

kinda an up in the air thing. on the one hand she challenged the sexism and misogyny. and on the other hand, i think she was probably protecting the misogynist of the emails for political reasons, even though she was probably offended. i would have thought more of her if she was consistent. but then, we probably would not have heard that speech. and it was awesome.

redqueen

(115,103 posts)
9. I hope you like it.
Wed Oct 17, 2012, 04:37 PM
Oct 2012

Not sure what happened with the reading group here, but I'd say that would be an excellent suggestion for a feminist reading list. Then again maybe it wasn't supposed to be a reading group for feminist works... I don't know.

CrispyQ

(36,461 posts)
21. All reading groups fizzle out.
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 03:05 PM
Oct 2012

Ours fizzled before most. I think I'm the only one who read the book completely & my 'book report' sits mostly unfinished on a bunch of stickies in the book.

I ordered this book too. Got a "used in good condition" copy for 15¢ plus shipping!

MadrasT

(7,237 posts)
22. LOL, I couldn't wait to read it
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 03:07 PM
Oct 2012

And by the time we officially "started" I was on to something else. I was traveling like crazy then too and didn't have much time to get online.

Bad me.

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
25. bad bad
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 03:22 PM
Oct 2012

you.

see, it is ALL your fault. lol

i had other books also. was saying, i will read this series and get back. sigh...

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
24. do they really? i had never participated.
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 03:21 PM
Oct 2012

but, i chanted more in the parts i read than others, anyway... maybe. maybe not. i dont know how they work. hey.... you should tell me the rest of the story. i hate not knowing the end.

redqueen

(115,103 posts)
26. Yeah, it stands to reason...
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 04:12 PM
Oct 2012

Maybe we could have just a generic 'feminist book discussion' thread where anyone who was reading whatever could jump in whenever...

Of course I have zero experience with reading groups, so I really have no idea... but I would love to see my fellow HoF group members' perspectives on these things and discuss our different interpretations and thoughts about them.

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
23. i had a hard time with the book, lol. i couldnt do it. well written. but, once they got to the
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 03:20 PM
Oct 2012

tribe i had to stop. i take it too much to heart, feel it too intensely and am VERY uncomfortable.

Major Hogwash

(17,656 posts)
10. They are trying to change the very definition of rape.
Wed Oct 17, 2012, 09:00 PM
Oct 2012

They are trying to change the legal definiton of rape so that they can commit rape, but will not be charged with rape.

That's what the stupid comment that Akin made was all about.
"Forcible rape" as compared to rape.
So, they can start a discussion talking about "Just what is rape?" like they don't have a clue.

I think Mitt screwed himself but good last night with women voters by making his tremendously stupid comment about asking for "a binder of women" while he was Governor.
Today the woman that was at the head of that group that gave Mitt that list of qualified women that he could appoint while he was Governor, straightened that mess out quite a bit.
Of course, Mitt lied about the entire episode about how it originated and what he did about it.

But, it looks to me like some other GOP Representatives or GOP Senators are willing to hold discussions to redefine rape, and that is where we need to stop their stupid attempt to redefine rape in its tracks.

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
13. i think you are absolutely right. thank you for seeing, and speaking out. i agree.
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 08:23 AM
Oct 2012

some girls rape easily.

they have been working hard to redefine rape. fbi changing their definition to be more inclusive, actually count more of the rapes really really bother some groups of men.

i have learned a lot since the binders comment and a day to process what mitt was actually saying. the reality. he received resumes. how hard would it have been to make these women actually professional with the word resumes. no binders were involved. could he say he recieved a binder of african americans? a binder of jews?

just really the basic dismissal of women as non beings.

and the a few of the cavalier dismissal of women in some of these jokes, to diss romneys dismissal of women.

huge wow.

double slap upside the head.

redqueen

(115,103 posts)
14. Yes, the backlash is intensifying.
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 10:34 AM
Oct 2012

It's good that, as sea mentioned, the FBI is moving forward by using a more progressive definition of rape.

However as we get closer to removing the societal idea that women's bodies are public property, this backlash will only get worse.

CrispyQ

(36,461 posts)
15. You are absolutely right - they want to commit rape without being charged for it.
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 10:57 AM
Oct 2012

It is very scary as a woman to see what is going on. Rape without a black eye or gunshot wound, it isn't really rape. Eventually this will lead to taking away our right to vote. And when they do that, they will work on taking away minorities right to vote & eventually it will be like 1776 when only white, male property owners could vote. It's what a good number of men want. They are so immersed in the patriarchy that they can't see anything else or those that do fear it so badly they crush the idea of a different system.

MadrasT

(7,237 posts)
16. Side tidbit of information... Did you know...
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 11:38 AM
Oct 2012

That in New Jersey women (unmarried property owning women - women who were "heads of household&quot could vote up until 1807?

I just learned that recently, I had no idea.

They took women's suffrage away in New Jersey in 1807 using claims of "voter fraud" (sound familiar?) -- among other things, they said men were dressing up as women so they could vote twice.

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
18. arent they already working on taking away the right to vote, for certain groups?
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 12:24 PM
Oct 2012

that probably is what amazes me most this year. the repugs i know value character. they are in a delusion about all the lie in repug adn all the rest that shows lack of character. i get that.

but the in your face denying others the right to vote.

i am really not getting why THEY are not angry.

i guess i have to will up the courage to ask one.

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