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Tue Dec 29, 2015, 08:14 PM

 

NY Times article on the infighting within Sanders campaign

Generally a tell of a losing campaign.

Even the campaign thinks debates "aren't his strength" and isn't that keen on more debates

http://www.nytimes.com/politics/first-draft/2015/12/29/top-bernie-sanders-aide-rankles-those-in-and-out-of-campaign/

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Reply NY Times article on the infighting within Sanders campaign (Original post)
hill2016 Dec 2015 OP
brooklynite Dec 2015 #1
tecelote Dec 2015 #3
brooklynite Dec 2015 #5
CorporatistNation Dec 2015 #39
reACTIONary Dec 2015 #48
brooklynite Dec 2015 #52
reddread Dec 2015 #96
brooklynite Dec 2015 #101
reddread Dec 2015 #105
Name removed Dec 2015 #100
RandySF Dec 2015 #26
floriduck Dec 2015 #8
Hiraeth Dec 2015 #30
raindaddy Dec 2015 #47
Voice for Peace Dec 2015 #88
Bluenorthwest Dec 2015 #10
rhett o rick Dec 2015 #15
KingCharlemagne Dec 2015 #44
Depaysement Dec 2015 #50
KingCharlemagne Dec 2015 #55
pangaia Dec 2015 #60
Nonhlanhla Dec 2015 #54
KingCharlemagne Dec 2015 #58
pangaia Dec 2015 #61
KingCharlemagne Dec 2015 #63
pangaia Dec 2015 #64
KingCharlemagne Dec 2015 #66
pangaia Dec 2015 #69
Nonhlanhla Dec 2015 #75
Sheepshank Dec 2015 #86
arcane1 Dec 2015 #2
nc4bo Dec 2015 #4
NCTraveler Dec 2015 #16
Hiraeth Dec 2015 #31
Juicy_Bellows Dec 2015 #6
hill2016 Dec 2015 #7
Juicy_Bellows Dec 2015 #9
hill2016 Dec 2015 #18
Juicy_Bellows Dec 2015 #22
pnwmom Dec 2015 #73
Luminous Animal Dec 2015 #21
CorporatistNation Dec 2015 #40
passiveporcupine Dec 2015 #45
Uponthegears Dec 2015 #51
Autumn Dec 2015 #76
frylock Dec 2015 #78
Baitball Blogger Dec 2015 #11
winter is coming Dec 2015 #12
sufrommich Dec 2015 #13
rhett o rick Dec 2015 #17
oasis Dec 2015 #32
DisgustipatedinCA Dec 2015 #35
oasis Dec 2015 #38
Uponthegears Dec 2015 #59
oasis Dec 2015 #80
Uponthegears Dec 2015 #90
reddread Dec 2015 #97
Uponthegears Dec 2015 #102
reddread Dec 2015 #103
rhett o rick Dec 2015 #36
oasis Dec 2015 #37
rhett o rick Dec 2015 #84
oasis Dec 2015 #87
rhett o rick Dec 2015 #91
oasis Dec 2015 #94
frylock Dec 2015 #79
libdem4life Dec 2015 #14
ucrdem Dec 2015 #19
Luminous Animal Dec 2015 #49
Deny and Shred Dec 2015 #62
Ned_Devine Dec 2015 #72
rhett o rick Dec 2015 #20
Eric J in MN Dec 2015 #23
Rosa Luxemburg Dec 2015 #34
Oilwellian Dec 2015 #95
arcane1 Dec 2015 #46
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rbrnmw Dec 2015 #29
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Uncle Joe Dec 2015 #56
JonLeibowitz Dec 2015 #83
pangaia Dec 2015 #57
KingCharlemagne Dec 2015 #68
Dawson Leery Dec 2015 #65
ish of the hammer Dec 2015 #67
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Logical Dec 2015 #71
Cha Dec 2015 #74
reddread Dec 2015 #98
Jarqui Dec 2015 #77
Eric J in MN Dec 2015 #81
cherokeeprogressive Dec 2015 #82
R B Garr Dec 2015 #85
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thesquanderer Dec 2015 #93
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thesquanderer Dec 2015 #106
Cha Dec 2015 #104
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Response to hill2016 (Original post)

Tue Dec 29, 2015, 08:19 PM

1. Waiting for the obligatory "The Times is part of the MSM/in the tank for Clinton" post

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Response to brooklynite (Reply #1)

Tue Dec 29, 2015, 08:23 PM

3. This is the best you can throw at him?

Hillary is a veteran when it comes to scandals.

This is just trash. It won't dissuade anyone from voting for the person who has consistently fought for their best interests.

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Response to tecelote (Reply #3)

Tue Dec 29, 2015, 08:27 PM

5. I entirely agree...

...unfortunately, that amounts to about 30%; you're still going to need to find a way to lift Sanders' ceiling.

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Response to brooklynite (Reply #5)

Tue Dec 29, 2015, 10:11 PM

39. The Polls Are ALL BS and Cannot By Definition Be Random Given The Structural Change in Means of

Telephone communications... Who uses what type, who will answer the phone as well as the demographics associated with these variables. No coefficient fudge facor can correct for these disparities that ensure that these polls are for all practical purposes irrelevant.

The Polls Are MEANINGLESS from a prediction standpoint. However, what the polls do seek to accomplish is to set expectations so that when the "FIX" with the Electronic Voting Machines comes in... The contrived result will already have been "predicted."

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Response to CorporatistNation (Reply #39)

Tue Dec 29, 2015, 10:43 PM

48. Malarky....

..... just because people have more than one way of communicating doesn't mean you can't gather a representative random sample.

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Response to CorporatistNation (Reply #39)

Tue Dec 29, 2015, 10:45 PM

52. Let's review the ignorance...

Iowa is an open Caucus; there are no voting machines, electronic or otherwise. There are also n ballot, paper or otherwise.

The conspiracy theorists(And I use that term decidedly-I've spoken to candidates and Party officials, and nobody believes we lose elections because of rigged voting machines) tell us we lost the 2004 Presidential election because of voting machine riggin; am I to understand that you believe the Republicans have handed control of the voting machines to the DNC?

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Response to brooklynite (Reply #52)

Wed Dec 30, 2015, 09:55 PM

96. no stolen elections in our history

 

I wish those conspiracy theorists would just cut it out.

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Response to reddread (Reply #96)

Wed Dec 30, 2015, 11:00 PM

101. None that I'm aware of

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Response to brooklynite (Reply #101)

Thu Dec 31, 2015, 12:50 AM

105. three dollar bill

 

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Response to tecelote (Reply #3)

Tue Dec 29, 2015, 09:14 PM

26. No one called this a scandal

Just a great big sign that reads "Amatuer Hour" at Club Bernie.

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Response to brooklynite (Reply #1)

Tue Dec 29, 2015, 08:30 PM

8. There is a faction in Bernie's

 

Campaign that wants him to go for Hill's throat, down in the mud. But Bernie won't ever do that. Friction is healthy. It shows independent thinking rather than robotics.

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Response to floriduck (Reply #8)

Tue Dec 29, 2015, 09:44 PM

30. I don't doubt that one bit. A lot of people want to go for her jugular. Not just a small

amount of his campaign staff. I can't imagine any campaign not having disagreements on strategy/agenda.

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Response to floriduck (Reply #8)

Tue Dec 29, 2015, 10:43 PM

47. Damn right a little friction is healthy.. Used to be a major trait of the Dem party....

and thing got worked out.

That was before the tendency to be rigid and calculating became the norm...

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Response to raindaddy (Reply #47)

Wed Dec 30, 2015, 04:12 AM

88. And a tendency to be afraid of not conforming

 

to the will of the Powerful

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Response to brooklynite (Reply #1)

Tue Dec 29, 2015, 08:34 PM

10. And instead you get what, you've never seen politics before? Let's do a quick review!

 

Then:
The Front-Runner’s Fall
Hillary Clinton’s campaign was undone by a clash of personalities more toxic than anyone imagined. E-mails and memos—published here for the first time—reveal the backstabbing and conflicting strategies that produced an epic meltdown.
http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2008/09/the-front-runner-s-fall/306944/

Now:
The Hillary 2016 campaign infighting begins even before the Hillary 2016 campaign begins
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2014/11/14/what-the-mook-mafia-e-mails-really-tell-us-about-hillary-clintons-presidential-bid/


It's not that the media is in any tank it's that it is a broken record repeating the same material year after year with minor adjustments to suit the day. Today it's Bernie, and that's fun for you. But when the material is cyclical, everybody's next.

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Response to brooklynite (Reply #1)

Tue Dec 29, 2015, 08:47 PM

15. Interesting how the Clinton fans used to disparage the Corp-Media and now have switched

 

to embracing it because the Corp-Media along with all things corp back HRC the billionaires choice.

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Response to brooklynite (Reply #1)

Tue Dec 29, 2015, 10:35 PM

44. Well, the Times did pimp the self-same war she sold out the Iraqi

 

people for.

What's a million innocent Iraqi lives when Hillary's presidential ambitions are on the line?

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Response to KingCharlemagne (Reply #44)

Tue Dec 29, 2015, 10:45 PM

50. I know you didn't mean this but this post reads like a throwaway line to me

Except it's true. She didn't support or oppose the war on policy grounds. She supported the war because she didn't think she could be elected President without supporting it. Purely a political calculation.

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Response to Depaysement (Reply #50)

Tue Dec 29, 2015, 10:52 PM

55. I knew after 30 minutes of research and reading that Bush's claims of

 

WMD and ties to AQ were total bullshit. While none of us can peer into the innermost recesses of her heart, we can say definitively that she should have known better.

Her AUMF vote disqualifies her from any elective office.

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Response to KingCharlemagne (Reply #55)

Tue Dec 29, 2015, 10:56 PM

60. You were faster than I was.

I took me 32 minutes!!

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Response to KingCharlemagne (Reply #44)

Tue Dec 29, 2015, 10:52 PM

54. She "whored" herself out?

Really? That's the language you want to you use?

Then please don't complain next time when someone suggests that some Bernie supporters are sexist.

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Response to Nonhlanhla (Reply #54)

Tue Dec 29, 2015, 10:54 PM

58. Hillbots clearly have problems with the metaphoric use

 

of language. But persist in your shrill dudgeon.

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Response to KingCharlemagne (Reply #58)

Tue Dec 29, 2015, 10:58 PM

61. I am as strong a Bernie supporter as you will find, but I agree.

Not well-phrased.

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Response to pangaia (Reply #61)

Tue Dec 29, 2015, 11:00 PM

63. oh, all right. Does 'sold out' pass muster? - nt

 

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Response to KingCharlemagne (Reply #63)

Tue Dec 29, 2015, 11:02 PM

64. Sure.

:>)

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Response to pangaia (Reply #64)

Tue Dec 29, 2015, 11:05 PM

66. Done. Thanks for the nudge. - nt

 

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Response to KingCharlemagne (Reply #66)

Tue Dec 29, 2015, 11:09 PM

69. Wow, You did change it.

That was... I don't know.. 'nice?'

I also figure, why stick a stick in a hornets nest, something like that.

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Response to KingCharlemagne (Reply #58)

Tue Dec 29, 2015, 11:37 PM

75. So I'm shrill?

Thanks for changing the wording I originally complained about - although you did it only after a other poster agreed with me. I don't appreciate the suggestion that I am shrill. That is terminology often used against women when they complain about sexism.

Once again, don't complain when someone says that some Bernie supporters are sexist.

And no, no problem with metaphoric language. Just with metaphors rooted in the denigration of women.

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Response to Nonhlanhla (Reply #75)

Wed Dec 30, 2015, 01:18 AM

86. It is along the same lines that Bernie uses and then claims it was not mysoginistic.

 

Should be called out...glad you spoke up.

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Response to hill2016 (Original post)

Tue Dec 29, 2015, 08:20 PM

2. Why no quotes? n/t

 

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Response to hill2016 (Original post)

Tue Dec 29, 2015, 08:26 PM

4. LOL - I wouldn't be surprised if BOTH campaigns

Weren't running around like their hair was on fire at this stage of the game.

It's primary season, situation normal, all fucked up.

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Response to nc4bo (Reply #4)

Tue Dec 29, 2015, 08:48 PM

16. This.

 

Primaries are really close and they are all go. The last two weeks have been the only big dust ups since Seattle. Amazingly polite primary to this point. Getting a little discheveled now.

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Response to nc4bo (Reply #4)

Tue Dec 29, 2015, 09:45 PM

31. yep SNAFU all over the place.

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Response to hill2016 (Original post)

Tue Dec 29, 2015, 08:27 PM

6. From the link:

“I asked Senator Sanders” to do more, said Mr. O’Malley. “Senator Sanders didn’t want to do more debates either. He kind of liked where it is.”

Aides to Mr. Sanders said they couldn’t speak to Mr. O’Malley’s assertion, although Mr. Briggs said the team would “welcome more debates” that included Mrs. Clinton as well.

EDIT - emphasis is mine.

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Response to Juicy_Bellows (Reply #6)

Tue Dec 29, 2015, 08:30 PM

7. And why won't

 

He debate with MOM alone?

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Response to hill2016 (Reply #7)

Tue Dec 29, 2015, 08:33 PM

9. Just my opinion but why risk DNC repurcussions and debate without her?

Sanders doesn't really need to debate against O'Malley at this time, there would be no upside to it.



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Response to Juicy_Bellows (Reply #9)

Tue Dec 29, 2015, 08:51 PM

18. And that

 

Is the exact reason why Clinton won't call for more debates

She doesn't really need to debate against Sanders at this point, there would be no upside to it (for her).

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Response to hill2016 (Reply #18)

Tue Dec 29, 2015, 08:54 PM

22. I agree with that.

Thank you for your honesty.

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Response to Juicy_Bellows (Reply #9)

Tue Dec 29, 2015, 11:24 PM

73. There is "no upside" to Sanders debating O'Malley. And what is the upside for Hillary

to go beyond the 6 debates?

Actually, I'd be happy to see her debate more times, because it's free good publicity. But she doesn't need them at this point.

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Response to hill2016 (Reply #7)

Tue Dec 29, 2015, 08:53 PM

21. Because then the DNC may ban him from debating Hillary.

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Response to hill2016 (Reply #7)

Tue Dec 29, 2015, 10:17 PM

40. MOM Need sto Man Up and Drop Out! For AMERICA!

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Response to hill2016 (Reply #7)

Tue Dec 29, 2015, 10:42 PM

45. Why waste time and energy on a debate that does not include the frontrunner?

You really are trying too hard to get some Bernie supporter a hide.

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Response to hill2016 (Reply #7)

Tue Dec 29, 2015, 10:45 PM

51. Isn't

 

the better question, "Why wouldn't MOM demand Hillary be present?"

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Response to hill2016 (Reply #7)

Tue Dec 29, 2015, 11:47 PM

76. Why should he debate O'Malley alone? O'Malley is irrelevant.

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Response to hill2016 (Reply #7)

Wed Dec 30, 2015, 12:06 AM

78. Why do you care?

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Response to hill2016 (Original post)

Tue Dec 29, 2015, 08:35 PM

11. Sounds like a point that someone is trying to astroturf.

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Response to Baitball Blogger (Reply #11)

Tue Dec 29, 2015, 08:36 PM

12. +1. n/t

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Response to hill2016 (Original post)

Tue Dec 29, 2015, 08:37 PM

13. It's a poorly run campaign. Amateurish and belligerent.

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Response to sufrommich (Reply #13)

Tue Dec 29, 2015, 08:51 PM

17. Really? Sen Sanders went from relitive unknown to millions of supporters in a relatively

 

short time. Over 2 million individuals have donated and thousands come out when he speaks. He is scaring the hell out of the Oligarchy that has unlimited resources to Swiftboat him. Sadly some so-called Democrats are choosing to side with the Oligarchy in lieu of the 99%. I guess they worship wealth.

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Response to rhett o rick (Reply #17)

Tue Dec 29, 2015, 09:47 PM

32. "So-called Democrats" run the Party. So-called socialists should be happy

to get a free ticket to ride.

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Response to oasis (Reply #32)

Tue Dec 29, 2015, 09:53 PM

35. You'll miss us next year.

 

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Response to DisgustipatedinCA (Reply #35)

Tue Dec 29, 2015, 10:11 PM

38. Honestly now, what percentage of (non DU) Bernie supporters

would stay home on Election Day to allow a Trump presidency?

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Response to oasis (Reply #38)

Tue Dec 29, 2015, 10:56 PM

59. Won't be Trump

 

But, yes, folks like me who saw the demand for ideological purity hand Florida to GWB will vote, and possibly work, for Hillary. HOWEVER, there are millions of new voters who have been moved to action who will stay home on election day if Hillary's machine keeps personally attacking a man they admire instead of talking issues. I am not sure I am the only kind of Democrat voter Hillary needs, particularly if the GOP gets its act together and puts its own transformational candidate on the ticket.

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Response to Uponthegears (Reply #59)

Wed Dec 30, 2015, 12:11 AM

80. Hillary will get her share of the dyed-in-the-wool ultra lefties.

They're not so much under the spell of Bernie that they would reject half a loaf.

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Response to oasis (Reply #80)

Wed Dec 30, 2015, 09:20 AM

90. Five words

 

Ralph Nader George Walker Bush

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Response to Uponthegears (Reply #90)

Wed Dec 30, 2015, 10:00 PM

97. are they running again?

 

Shit maybe I should watch the news.

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Response to reddread (Reply #97)

Wed Dec 30, 2015, 11:19 PM

102. Cute

 

But Hillary is ten times less popular among progressives than Al Gore was on the worst day of his life and his supporters were a hundred times less arrogant. He still spurred a rebellion on the left and that rebellion put one of the worst and most destructive presidents in the history of this nation in the White House. Old folks like me will vote for Hillary, but there are millions of new voters who are more loyal to Bernie and liberal values than the voters who abandoned Gore for Nader lo these many years ago. Hillary may well get the nomination but her supporters' bs could end up putting Satan himself in the White House.

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Response to Uponthegears (Reply #102)

Thu Dec 31, 2015, 12:08 AM

103. four ugly words

 

Joe Biden Clarence Thomas. Without which there would never have been a GWB 911 or IWR

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Response to oasis (Reply #32)

Tue Dec 29, 2015, 09:56 PM

36. What you mean is that Conservative Democrats run the leadership of the Party and

 

real Democrats recognize the need for social programs. Sen Sanders is more of a Democrat than HRC will ever be.

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Response to rhett o rick (Reply #36)

Tue Dec 29, 2015, 10:08 PM

37. Opinions vary on who or what is a "real Democrat".

I'll agree that here the DU realm, the tendency is more to the left. But that's not what is going to take to win the GE. That's why the Party chooses Hillary to be the standard bearer.

I like Bernie, but his Democratic Party credentials don't measure up to Hillary's, so can stop making that claim.

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Response to oasis (Reply #37)

Wed Dec 30, 2015, 01:13 AM

84. She turned her back on the Democratic Party in 2002 and chose to side with the Republicons.

 

She chose to either believe Bush or went along knowing he was wrong, either way she proved she is not a Democrat.

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Response to rhett o rick (Reply #84)

Wed Dec 30, 2015, 01:35 AM

87. Millions of Democrats believe she's Democrat enough for them.

That's what will count in the year 2016. Her overall accomplishments far outweigh her past missteps.

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Response to oasis (Reply #87)

Wed Dec 30, 2015, 12:34 PM

91. Millions love Trump also and that's who we will get if she wins the nomination.

 

No accomplishments can outweigh the betrayal that lead to the deaths of hundreds of thousands of innocent women and children.

Do you think that she believed Bush that Iraq had WMD? or She knew they didn't but liked the idea of "spreading democracy" (I think that is what imperialism is called now) in the Middle East, or she knew she was voting to give Bush authority to invade but thought he would use good judgement? Doesn't matter to a lot of Democrats that we need to win the presidency.

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Response to rhett o rick (Reply #91)

Wed Dec 30, 2015, 02:36 PM

94. Millions voted for her in 2008 with full knowledge of her

IWR decision. Since 2008, Hillary's become an international icon as Secretary of State and garnered numerous Woman of the Year honors.

In 2016, even more women and people of color will refuse to dwell in the past and join ranks to send her to the highest office. Why? Because there are more important issues facing them.

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Response to oasis (Reply #32)

Wed Dec 30, 2015, 12:08 AM

79. Hey you're welcome for the fucking votes.

No more free tickets.

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Response to hill2016 (Original post)

Tue Dec 29, 2015, 08:43 PM

14. Oh my, you mean that everyone in a campaign doesn't agree? Heaven forfend.

 

Shocked, I tell you. And this is all they have? An over-zealous PR guy that everyone is not in love with? That's why he has the job, so silly.

And yes, investigate the DNC...that's what this is about...fending off their idiocy and the little scandals that are buried deep within the tight little group with DWS and HRH.

I'm on Team Sanders and Weaver.

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Response to hill2016 (Original post)

Tue Dec 29, 2015, 08:51 PM

19. Sometimes the best defense really isn't an offense.

But I suppose we'll know how it played in Dubuque in a few weeks.

Bill Clinton has privately told friends he was astonished by the Sanders’ team’s handling of the data breach, and that it risked depicting the Vermont senator as a typical politician and not the political outsider he is seen to be.

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Response to ucrdem (Reply #19)

Tue Dec 29, 2015, 10:44 PM

49. That is so cute. Bill was concern trolling.

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Response to Luminous Animal (Reply #49)

Tue Dec 29, 2015, 10:59 PM

62. My stars ... Bill is worried that Bernie is a typical politician

Allow me to clutch my pearls and faint onto my couch.

I shall rest assured that the Clintons are so very far above typical politicians.

I'm sure every single Hillary staffer was on board with the Obama dog whistling in 2008.

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Response to Deny and Shred (Reply #62)

Tue Dec 29, 2015, 11:18 PM

72. That's rich, isn't it?

 

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Response to hill2016 (Original post)

Tue Dec 29, 2015, 08:52 PM

20. Thanks for posting. There is no doubt in my mind who the NYTimes supports. But why

 

Democrats would support the wealthy 1%, other than pure wealth worship.

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Response to hill2016 (Original post)

Tue Dec 29, 2015, 08:55 PM

23. The writer couldn't come up with enough examples

...of Sanders campaign in-fighting to fill the article.

So she mixed in criticism of the Sanders campaign from the Clinton campaign and O'Malley campaign to have enough words for the article.

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Response to Eric J in MN (Reply #23)

Tue Dec 29, 2015, 09:52 PM

34. NY Times is a desperate newspaper

It can't find much to say

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Response to Rosa Luxemburg (Reply #34)

Wed Dec 30, 2015, 07:54 PM

95. Propagandizing is hard work! n/t

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Response to Eric J in MN (Reply #23)

Tue Dec 29, 2015, 10:42 PM

46. And the poster couldn't quote a single word from the article.

 

Almost as if it was never meant to be read, but spread as a false narrative instead.

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Response to hill2016 (Original post)

Tue Dec 29, 2015, 08:55 PM

24. Tad Devine probably isn't helping.

He sure wasn't an asset to either the Gore or Kerry presidential campaigns.

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Response to MBS (Reply #24)

Tue Dec 29, 2015, 09:39 PM

29. or Dukakis

Devine is the one who put him in the tank ad

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Response to rbrnmw (Reply #29)

Wed Dec 30, 2015, 05:20 AM

89. OK, that is the ultimate example of incompetence.

I hadn't known that he'd been involved in the Dukakis campaign, too.

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Response to hill2016 (Original post)

Tue Dec 29, 2015, 09:09 PM

25. Weaver

Well, at least Bern's campaign manager can look forward to resuming his promising carreer in the booming comic book store industry. Looks as if both he and Bern have a real flair for picking winners.

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Response to hill2016 (Original post)

Tue Dec 29, 2015, 09:30 PM

27. What fucking infighting?



Zero evidence in your article. Your behavior in the way you present this article is, shall we say, suboptimal?

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Response to hootinholler (Reply #27)

Tue Dec 29, 2015, 10:24 PM

42. Everything is rosie and unicorns in other campaigns


4 pages: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/07/29/AR2008072902451.html?sub=AR

After a dramatic failure at the helm of Hillary Rodham Clinton's presidential campaign, and five months after Clinton sacked her via e-mail, she moved back to the comfort of her home town to work for Barack Obama.


Chicago native Patti Solis Doyle will be chief of staff to whoever becomes Barack Obama's running mate. (By Charles Rex Arbogast -- Associated Press)

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Response to hill2016 (Original post)

Tue Dec 29, 2015, 09:36 PM

28. Really interesting after the massive amount of hair pulling from sanders supporters

Let's face facts he's not the best at debates so having less for him is a goog thing

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Response to hill2016 (Original post)

Tue Dec 29, 2015, 09:52 PM

33. a bunch of unquoted nonsense

 

for the gullible, and a bad commentary on the state of modern "liberal" journalism

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Response to hill2016 (Original post)

Tue Dec 29, 2015, 10:22 PM

41. a former politco writer and rupert murdoch puppet:

maggie haberman.

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Response to hill2016 (Original post)

Tue Dec 29, 2015, 10:26 PM

43. Is this the reason Clinton is astro-turfing? Clearly a “tell of a losing campaign"

Why don’t we let VOTERS decide who is losing?

If HRC & Co were soooooooo confident, why are they doing shit like this???

THE POPULAR AND influential Blue Hampshire blog on progressive New Hampshire politics recently busted a group of campaign staffers for registering anonymously on site and boosting pro-Hillary Clinton diaries on the group blog.Sockpuppet



http://www.wired.com/2007/12/clinton-staff-a/


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Response to hill2016 (Original post)

Tue Dec 29, 2015, 10:46 PM

53. If his campaign thinks "debates aren't his strength," then why the conspiracy theory here...

...about the paucity of Democratic debates? I thought it was all an evil plot hatched over cocktails by HRC and DWS in the Turd-Way Secret Hideout?

Things that make you go hmmmm.

Oh, and the NYT is in no sense a "liberal" newspaper.

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Response to hill2016 (Original post)

Tue Dec 29, 2015, 10:52 PM

56. The last paragraph in this article is telling of the effectiveness of Weaver combined with the facts

surrounding the Schultz DNC's handling of this incident and track record of obvious favoritism to Hillary.


I also liked this paragraph.



“Jeff is a Marine,” said Michael Briggs, the spokesman for Mr. Sanders, when asked about Mr. Weaver’s tone. “You wouldn’t want to be in a foxhole with anybody else.” Mr. Weaver declined to be interviewed.

(snip)

For now, the Clinton team is still surprised to find itself playing defense over the data breach. Days after the breach, a bemused Clinton campaign chairman, John Podesta, told NBC’s “Meet the Press” about Mr. Sanders, “I think he’s got a problem in his campaign with the culture of that campaign and I think that was shown in this incident. And I think that we are the victims of this, not the Sanders campaign.”



Thanks for the thread, hill.

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Response to Uncle Joe (Reply #56)

Wed Dec 30, 2015, 12:57 AM

83. Sure sounds like Weaver is running the incompetent campaign here. Wait a second....!

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Response to hill2016 (Original post)

Tue Dec 29, 2015, 10:54 PM

57. The entire article is a crock.

Some guy(s) creating something imaginary about the Sanders campaign, a bunch of paragraphs with no substance whatsoever.

next...

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Response to pangaia (Reply #57)

Tue Dec 29, 2015, 11:09 PM

68. +Infinity! - nt

 

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Response to hill2016 (Original post)

Tue Dec 29, 2015, 11:03 PM

65. k/r

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Response to hill2016 (Original post)

Tue Dec 29, 2015, 11:09 PM

67. "Bill Clinton has privately told friends he was astonished"

I'm astonished that B. Clinton is thinks anybody believes him. The Clintons would love to paint Sanders as a common politician using dirty tricks, but it's more the Clinton's style and it's not working!

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Response to hill2016 (Original post)

Tue Dec 29, 2015, 11:16 PM

70. Wow. Just wow.

I wont alert on this, although it is right up against the line as far as i can tell. Your headline is not the headline of the article and bears little resemblence to the content. The article itself struggles woth trying to make this a bigger deal than it is.the desperation is dripping off every Shrillary post these days.

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Response to hill2016 (Original post)

Tue Dec 29, 2015, 11:18 PM

71. LOL, Hillary fans are classy. nt

 

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Response to hill2016 (Original post)

Tue Dec 29, 2015, 11:30 PM

74. Jim Weaver is a loose canon..

The blowback outside the campaign was fierce. But there was also blowback within the Sanders campaign as well, as some aides said the language crossed a line. Mr. Sanders said on MSNBC that the comment “was inappropriate,” although it is not clear whether he suggested that Mr. Weaver apologize.

However, others in the campaign did. The Sanders campaign’s New Hampshire state director, Julia Barnes, asked Mr. Weaver to apologize for the comments, and voiced her displeasure to him in clear terms. He never did, telling unhappy staffers on a conference call after the report aired that their team needed to be mindful that the Clinton campaign was about to unleash attacks on Mr. Sanders, according to three people with direct knowledge of the episode.


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Response to Cha (Reply #74)

Wed Dec 30, 2015, 10:14 PM

98. more like a tight fugue

 

Sounds great but funereal. Poor Hillary has to rely on the support of her worst critics from 2008. What a world what a world!

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Response to hill2016 (Original post)

Tue Dec 29, 2015, 11:56 PM

77. The feel of the article doesn't add up

It spins one thing:
These people described Mr. Sanders’ team as decidedly less emphatic in private discussions about having more primary debates than they have been in public, realizing that debates are not his strength.


No quote from "these people" to back that assertion up.

Then :
Mr. Briggs denied that claim. .... Mr. Briggs said the team would “welcome more debates” that included Mrs. Clinton as well.


O'Malley whined but ignored the consequences of debating without Hilary = no more debates with Hillary.

Of course the Sanders campaign would like more debates with Hillary as most second place candidates would. It's a chance to get their message out and a chance for Hillary to make a mistake. The rest is pure nonsense in comparison.

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Response to hill2016 (Original post)

Wed Dec 30, 2015, 12:22 AM

81. Strange attribution in that article.

A source is described as "people briefed on the flap about the number of debates."

Are those DNC staffers? Clinton staffers? O'Malley staffers?

Sometimes journalists need to conceal names, but this level of concealment makes the article garbage.

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Response to hill2016 (Original post)

Wed Dec 30, 2015, 01:14 AM

85. All you have to do is watch Weaver on TV to see

that this article accurately describes what we could see with our own eyes. The guy is really hostile, to put it mildly.

Reading through some of the outraged comments here, it's obvious that they didn't watch him on TV. He's very unprofessional. I can't even imagine having to tiptoe around him.

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Response to hill2016 (Original post)

Wed Dec 30, 2015, 12:39 PM

92. So you are gloating over this?

There's nothing worse than a sore winner.

How sad.

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Response to hill2016 (Original post)

Wed Dec 30, 2015, 02:17 PM

93. Jeff Weaver, from Victory Comics...

...he's comic book guy!




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Response to thesquanderer (Reply #93)

Wed Dec 30, 2015, 10:23 PM

99. that is awesome

 

But the comic book guy runs a shop in fresno called wonderland.

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Response to reddread (Reply #99)

Thu Dec 31, 2015, 10:18 AM

106. In case anyone missed the reference form the linked Times article...

Mr. Weaver, who worked for Mr. Sanders in Congress for years and has the candidate’s trust, took a break from a store in Virginia, Victory Comics, to return to the candidate’s fold (his cell phone voicemail still identifies him as with the comic-book store.)

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Response to hill2016 (Original post)

Thu Dec 31, 2015, 12:22 AM

104. KICK!

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Response to hill2016 (Original post)

Thu Dec 31, 2015, 04:42 PM

107. This type of infighting is never a good sign

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