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Bernie Sanders is suing the Democratic party for $600,000 a day in damages, claiming it breached its contract with the campaign by dramatically removing all access to crucial voter records just weeks before the Iowa caucus. A copy of the lawsuit filed with a federal court in Washington reveals that the agreement to use a shared computer system for voter registration and supporter data included a provision for a 10-day notice period for any changes to access. It comes as the Democratic National Committee (DNC) immediately suspended all access for the Sanders team to a shared database system as punishment for a data breach in which a number of staff accessed records belonging to Hillary Clintons campaign during a software glitch. The Clinton campaign responded equally angrily to the breach on Friday night, claiming the access amounted to theft on the part of their rivals and took place through 24 different queries to the database on Wednesday. It also disputed claims by Sanders that no downloads were made.
However, he declined to be drawn into the fairness of the DNC response, which Clinton staff suggested may simply be to make sure that software vulnerabilities, which temporarily removed a firewall between the two accounts, are not exploited again. Its up to the Sanders campaign and the DNC to work out whether anybody should be punished in one way or another, added Mook. The Clinton campaign manager also hesitated when asked if any of his staff had access to Sanders records, saying he was sure no one had reached into Bernie Sanders data and extracted it in the way that the Bernie Sanders campaign did this week. Earlier, Sanders campaign team had claimed the DNCs crucial voter information was being held hostage by party leaders who are actively trying to undermine the senators presidential campaign.
In a dramatic escalation of a row over Sanders officials accessing voter data belonging to the Clinton campaign, the Vermont senators campaign manager, Jeff Weaver, accused the DNC of actively trying to sabotage his campaign by denying it all access to the Democratic partys master voter list as a punishment for the breach. The DNC insists Sanders campaign continues to possess private information from the Clinton campaign. This is vociferously disputed by the Sanders campaign, which claims that it first reported vulnerabilities caused by a faulty software system two months ago.
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The DNC has long been accused of trying to rig the Democratic primary to benefit Hillary Clinton. Only four debates were scheduled before the Iowa caucuses and they have been scheduled for weekend evenings when relatively few voters are home to watch. In a television appearance afterwards, Schultz, who endorsed Clinton in 2008, dismissed these complaints. The Sanders campaign doesnt have anything other than bluster, she said. We are taking on the establishment and Im sure there are people in the Democratic establishment who are not happy at that, Weaver added.
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http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/dec/18/bernie-sanders-set-to-sue-democratic-national-committee-over-data-access
haikugal
(6,476 posts)bjobotts
(9,141 posts)What nonsense and DWS's fraud is exposed by the comment about the Sander's campaign. It makes no sense even if a Bernie staffer did download Clinton data to cut the Sanders campaign access to their own voter data. DWS continues in her reputation for making sure democrats do not get elected. She proves that if you have nothing then you must make sure your competition is never heard from rather than just have a healthy open honest election. We are all sick of people like her and their dirty tricks. Nixonian.
Kalidurga
(14,177 posts)Now he is talking about money. Somehow I think Hillary's 2008 escapades are going to come to light and it's not gonna be pretty.
daleanime
(17,796 posts)so be it.
elana i am
(814 posts)proactive.
a democrat who actually fights the injustice. when is the last time that happened?
and yes, this IS an injustice. DNC should be called the democratic clinton committee. the whiff of impropriety is now a stench.
CaliforniaPeggy
(150,035 posts)Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)Hepburn
(21,054 posts)One of my biggest heroes worships came out of that mess. Bill Kunstler. He is the man who sealed my fate on going to law school. I still have a ton of respect for him. What lawyering! I miss that man!
LiberalArkie
(15,751 posts)pay for the trial.
Hepburn
(21,054 posts)Judge Julius Hoffman...wow, what a hard ass...IMO, he was nuts!
LiberalArkie
(15,751 posts)Hell the who thing from RFK being killed, through the police riots through Dan Rather on the convention floor, to "The whole world is watching" It was one hell of a time to become a young adult.
Hepburn
(21,054 posts)...but I sure would like to re-visit it all these years later!
Oh, yeah, I came of age in the 1960s! An amazing time! Some of it memorable for bad reasons, too...like the day JFK was assassinated.
LiberalArkie
(15,751 posts)Hepburn
(21,054 posts)...guess what year I was born?
Oh, man...I sat up all night watching a little black and white portable TV when RFK was shot. Hit me really hard, too. I am from SoCal...so it happened in my area. I used to see the Ambassador Hotel at times...but they tore it down some time back. It was such an awful, eerie feeling every time I saw that place...especially when it was shut before it was torn down.
LiberalArkie
(15,751 posts)Loved it there. I was there for the first Earth Day, and all the protest marches etc. Managed to drive to Selma in 1965 with a Black friend who did not have a car but I did. His mama helped my mom every so often. We got beat up in Selma and the worse happened when got back home where his mom told one of his brothers to go and get her a switch. When I left I did not know she called my parents and my dad had his belt out already. Fun times.
Hepburn
(21,054 posts)...and at the VA hospitals with the wounded when I could go. Man, I could not handle what was happening to people I grew up with. Made me ill. I came to HATE war and those who sent our young men and women. The YES on the IWR by Hillary sticks in my craw to the max. I cannot get over this hawk bullshit she spews.
Mnpaul
(3,655 posts)bjobotts
(9,141 posts)McKim
(2,412 posts)Yes, this has brewing for decades and now it is out in the open. I was thinking of holding my noise to vote for Hillary in the final election, but no, after this I can't. This kind of behavior cannot be rewarded. No matter who I might vote for in the end I will still get war and more war! I gave Senator Sanders another large donation tonight.
jwirr
(39,215 posts)are in the hall.
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)That there socialism is looking pretty capitalistic right now you know?
Segami
(14,923 posts)Nice try but no cigar........
peacebird
(14,195 posts)seabeyond
(110,159 posts)Joe the Revelator
(14,915 posts)Not in a good way
Bubzer
(4,211 posts)Just makes you want to
arcane1
(38,613 posts)mindwalker_i
(4,407 posts):wank:
Logical
(22,457 posts)Divernan
(15,480 posts)MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)The Boss
(63 posts)and grants Sanders the $600,000/day sanctions plus $1 million in punitive damages per day against DNC.
Let's see. That's a quite a lot of money against DNC just for two days alone.
Bubzer
(4,211 posts)Make sure you read the actual contract that was submitted as evidence.
http://www.politico.com/f/?id=00000151-b72f-d1ae-add5-f76f14db0001
Rose Siding
(32,623 posts)Democrats! BS, ever the coalition building diplomat.
Reminds me of how impotent Boehner looked suing Obama.
Hepburn
(21,054 posts)Meetello
(36 posts)I say yes.
Hepburn
(21,054 posts)Too funny...do you even understand what the petn for injunctive relief is all about?
Meetello
(36 posts)If the judge rules against him, is the judge a corporate lackey?
Hepburn
(21,054 posts)...explain what you mean by that, OK.
Meetello
(36 posts)Let me type exactly what I typed earlier. Sanders wants $600,000 a day.
The judge may rule against him and say no. Do you know what ruling against someone means?
Bubzer
(4,211 posts)Not necessarily the totality of what the campaign is seeking.
Contractually, the DNC is in violation. The judge wont rule against Bernie. It's not even in question.
Look for yourself:
http://www.politico.com/f/?id=00000151-b72f-d1ae-add5-f76f14db0001
Meetello
(36 posts)Bernie supporter says Bernie will win this one. That settles it.
Bubzer
(4,211 posts)Meetello
(36 posts)Thanks, Your Honor.
OilemFirchen
(7,143 posts)Since once is apparently not enough.
jwirr
(39,215 posts)seabeyond
(110,159 posts)workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)It's coming
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)to let the ego die.
BeanMusical
(4,389 posts)You finally got those shift keys repaired I see.
peacebird
(14,195 posts)But to write in Sanders in the GE instead.
Check the @dwsteets
Politicalboi
(15,189 posts)If Bernie were to go indy again, I would switch. I am so done with HilLIEry.
peacebird
(14,195 posts)newthinking
(3,982 posts)bjobotts
(9,141 posts)murielm99
(30,816 posts)the Democratic Party, namely the VAN software, after disdaining Democrats and refusing to join the party for years.
If VAN and the people who run it are so awful, such Clinton shills, why didn't Sanders compile his own voter data? The VAN software has not been around all that many years. Activists used to compile their own voter data from lists provided precinct by precinct, by county clerks. Purist Bernie should have done that.
I have asked repeatedly if anyone here has used the VAN software, or is familiar with it. Many activists and phone bankers are familiar with it. I am only hearing speculation and accusations that Hillary's campaign did something, that there is some huge conspiracy, when Bernie's staffers are the real culprits. Talk about projection!
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)catnhatnh
(8,976 posts)...who were worried Bernie would not have enough money for a national campaign!
Divernan
(15,480 posts)Good grief! Hillary, through Debbie, has overplayed her hand yet again. She just never learns! And there's no time for her to focus group responses to the inevitable questions on this topic which will be part of the debate! HAH!
MeNMyVolt
(1,095 posts)Joe the Revelator
(14,915 posts)Spoilers.
plus5mace
(140 posts)The party elites don't care about primaries or democracy. They want the only choice to be their chosen candidate or a Republican.
MeNMyVolt
(1,095 posts)plus5mace
(140 posts)Clearly Hillary must be nervous about her chances to have her puppet pull this move.
MeNMyVolt
(1,095 posts)Great theory. What's your thought on the tides.
plus5mace
(140 posts)The primary or the general, either way.
Jester Messiah
(4,711 posts)Because Bernie's not putting up with your shit.
Hiraeth
(4,805 posts)DJ13
(23,671 posts)So they felt a need to act quickly to try and blunt that momentum.
But this "leak" was a poor choice to use, it only paints the DNC as an organization solely dedicated to securing a Hillary victory.
The whole episode only serves to make people wonder how much deterioration the Hillary camp was seeing in their internal polling if they felt this shit storm was a viable alternative to continuing to have their MSM buddies completely ignoring Sanders.
Segami
(14,923 posts)RandySF
(60,662 posts)OilemFirchen
(7,143 posts)They will regain access (because the DNC failed to provide adequate warning and failed to allow for corrective action), but can't collect damages (because the contract forbids them).
As it all should be. And would have been had the campaign simply met with the DNC.
LittleBlue
(10,362 posts)I was so disappointed with him after tithe first debate, deflecting email questions from Hillary. You had to attack her.
He got played being nice when his opponent wanted to crush him by any means. He threw away victory to be the nice guy. I think he is finished, personally, but will still vote for him in the primary.
Obama knew how to deal with this poisonous family and their minions. He saw them for what they are. Bernie didn't until it was too late.
OilemFirchen
(7,143 posts)http://www.politico.com/f/?id=00000151-b72f-d1ae-add5-f76f14db0001
newthinking
(3,982 posts)The contract also stated that there is a cool down period and the data can not be witheld during that time.
So I would say there is a pretty good chance there would be damages if the DNC does not show goodwill soon.
OilemFirchen
(7,143 posts)The Sanders campaign will be granted access because the DNC violated the contract. The Sanders campaign will not receive compensation because the contract protects the DNC from liability.
vorgan24
(50 posts)Politicalboi
(15,189 posts)But that doesn't bother her supporters one bit.
WillyT
(72,631 posts)Historic NY
(37,480 posts)since no one from his campaign is donating to the DNC, he can take a chit out of petty cash.
WDIM
(1,662 posts)Im ready to leave the Democratic party if this is the dirty politics they are going to play. Instead of letting the democratic process play out uninterupted and unbiased.