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Segami

(14,923 posts)
Fri Dec 18, 2015, 10:08 PM Dec 2015

Bernie Sanders SUES DNC for $600,000 A DAY Over Removal Of Data Access


One DNC member, Heather Mizeur of Maryland, is threatening to resign her position in protest if the Sanders campaign does not regain access to the voter file. Mizeur, a former state legislator and gubernatorial candidate, wrote on her Facebook page: “If the DNC doesn’t reverse its decision to give the Sanders campaign access to its voter file data again, I am ready to resign my post as a Democratic National Committeewoman from Maryland in protest. The DNC is expected to stay neutral and supportive of all candidates during the primaries and their response to this situation is heavy-handed and ill-conceived.”






Bernie Sanders is suing the Democratic party for $600,000 a day in damages, claiming it breached its contract with the campaign by dramatically removing all access to crucial voter records just weeks before the Iowa caucus. A copy of the lawsuit filed with a federal court in Washington reveals that the agreement to use a shared computer system for voter registration and supporter data included a provision for a 10-day notice period for any changes to access. It comes as the Democratic National Committee (DNC) immediately suspended all access for the Sanders team to a shared database system as punishment for a data breach in which a number of staff accessed records belonging to Hillary Clinton’s campaign during a software glitch. The Clinton campaign responded equally angrily to the breach on Friday night, claiming the access amounted to “theft” on the part of their rivals and took place through 24 different queries to the database on Wednesday. It also disputed claims by Sanders that no downloads were made.

“This is incredibly disappointing,” Clinton campaign manager Robby Mook told reporters. “This is someone who said they were going to run a different type of campaign, and yet stole our data and is fundraising off it.”


However, he declined to be drawn into the fairness of the DNC response, which Clinton staff suggested may simply be to make sure that software vulnerabilities, which temporarily removed a firewall between the two accounts, are not exploited again. “It’s up to the Sanders campaign and the DNC to work out whether anybody should be punished in one way or another,” added Mook. The Clinton campaign manager also hesitated when asked if any of his staff had access to Sanders records, saying he was sure no one had “reached into Bernie Sanders’ data and extracted it in the way that the Bernie Sanders campaign did this week”. Earlier, Sanders’ campaign team had claimed the DNC’s crucial voter information was being “held hostage” by party leaders who are “actively trying to undermine” the senator’s presidential campaign.


In a dramatic escalation of a row over Sanders officials accessing voter data belonging to the Clinton campaign, the Vermont senator’s campaign manager, Jeff Weaver, accused the DNC of actively trying to “sabotage” his campaign by denying it all access to the Democratic party’s master voter list as a punishment for the breach. The DNC insists Sanders’ campaign continues to possess private information from the Clinton campaign. This is vociferously disputed by the Sanders campaign, which claims that it first reported vulnerabilities caused by a faulty software system two months ago.

~snip~

The DNC has long been accused of trying to rig the Democratic primary to benefit Hillary Clinton. Only four debates were scheduled before the Iowa caucuses and they have been scheduled for weekend evenings when relatively few voters are home to watch. In a television appearance afterwards, Schultz, who endorsed Clinton in 2008, dismissed these complaints. “The Sanders campaign doesn’t have anything other than bluster,” she said. “We are taking on the establishment and I’m sure there are people in the Democratic establishment who are not happy at that,” Weaver added.



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http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/dec/18/bernie-sanders-set-to-sue-democratic-national-committee-over-data-access
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Bernie Sanders SUES DNC for $600,000 A DAY Over Removal Of Data Access (Original Post) Segami Dec 2015 OP
Go Bernie!! haikugal Dec 2015 #1
"Sure Sanders data was there but we didn't look"-Clinton campaign bjobotts Dec 2015 #70
Shit just got real Kalidurga Dec 2015 #2
Well, if it has to come to this.... daleanime Dec 2015 #3
i'm kinda digging that he's doing something elana i am Dec 2015 #4
K&R. n/t CaliforniaPeggy Dec 2015 #5
This fight has been brewing since Chicago '68. K&R Tierra_y_Libertad Dec 2015 #6
Whoa...do I remember THAT convention. Hepburn Dec 2015 #11
I used to have the old audio tapes from the trial. Bought them from WBAI, reel to real tapes to help LiberalArkie Dec 2015 #38
Wow...I would LOVE to have audio of that trial. Hepburn Dec 2015 #40
I lost them so many years ago, and indeed just listening to the trial on WBAI was enlightening. LiberalArkie Dec 2015 #45
I recall listening to some of it... Hepburn Dec 2015 #48
Born in 48 myself, although I wasn't 21 yet, RFK hit me hard when he died. LiberalArkie Dec 2015 #50
1948...a vintage year... Hepburn Dec 2015 #54
I was working for AT&T and was in south Arkansas at the time, but was Transferred to NYC. LiberalArkie Dec 2015 #59
War protesting ... Hepburn Dec 2015 #63
Here you go Mnpaul Dec 2015 #61
He has over 2million individual donations.A record. bjobotts Dec 2015 #74
Amen! McKim Dec 2015 #67
Yeah and we are no longer out in the streets - this time we jwirr Dec 2015 #80
Was this all about MONEY from the beginning? workinclasszero Dec 2015 #7
Pffft! Segami Dec 2015 #10
You DO remember what 'cigar' meant during Bills presidency, no? peacebird Dec 2015 #30
He couldn't take money like the rest. We have been hearing a couple months too short. Why not. Nt. seabeyond Dec 2015 #14
DUZY Joe the Revelator Dec 2015 #22
Right?!? Bubzer Dec 2015 #42
Whatever It Takes(tm) arcane1 Dec 2015 #75
... mindwalker_i Dec 2015 #31
I love the Hillary whiners! What they do best! nt Logical Dec 2015 #36
An HRC administration would be 1 Chinese firedrill FUBAR after another! Divernan Dec 2015 #66
I'll crack up afer the judge laughs it out of court. eom MohRokTah Dec 2015 #8
After slapping a permanent injunction against DNC/DWS The Boss Dec 2015 #43
Not gonna happen. The lawsuit is pretty good. See for yourself Bubzer Dec 2015 #44
Perfect.Who does he think supports the DNC? Rose Siding Dec 2015 #9
Corporate interests? Hepburn Dec 2015 #13
If the judge rules against Sanders, will he be called a corporate lackey? Meetello Dec 2015 #16
So you got in 8 posts already? Hepburn Dec 2015 #18
Sanders will either get $600,000 or he won't Meetello Dec 2015 #25
If a judge rules against him... Hepburn Dec 2015 #28
Explain again? Meetello Dec 2015 #37
Have you bothered to actually read the suit? It specifies $600k/day as monitary losses. Bubzer Dec 2015 #49
The judge won't rule against Bernie because you say so? Meetello Dec 2015 #53
No, the contract does. Thanks for playing though. Bubzer Dec 2015 #55
The contract does because you say so? Meetello Dec 2015 #58
Dear "Former Lawyer", OilemFirchen Dec 2015 #69
Definitely not all Democrats and mostly DLC. jwirr Dec 2015 #81
I guess that is one way to finance his campaign, while attacking other's super pacs. Nt. seabeyond Dec 2015 #12
His third party run you mean? workinclasszero Dec 2015 #15
Then he dies the death of Nader. Nader has absolutely no respect. Both of ego. That is a hard way seabeyond Dec 2015 #17
Hi Jules! BeanMusical Dec 2015 #78
I think Hillary has just energized a large number of folks to not only NOT vote for her peacebird Dec 2015 #32
Yes. 840high Dec 2015 #57
Yes indeed Politicalboi Dec 2015 #60
Frankly if she getw the nom, I am registering as indie too peacebird Dec 2015 #62
Yep newthinking Dec 2015 #65
Sanders is totally against a 3rd party run.Won't happen bjobotts Dec 2015 #73
Notice that Bernie is once again using the resources of murielm99 Dec 2015 #82
It is bad. Clearly not ready for prime time. Nt. seabeyond Dec 2015 #83
Hey-this is great news for all the Clinton supporters catnhatnh Dec 2015 #19
Excellent! Divernan Dec 2015 #71
Turning out to be worse than Nader. MeNMyVolt Dec 2015 #20
The DNC? You're right Joe the Revelator Dec 2015 #23
He exposed the lie of "Work through the primary for change". plus5mace Dec 2015 #46
Fine, then leave. MeNMyVolt Dec 2015 #47
The primary isn't over yet. plus5mace Dec 2015 #51
Yeah, she had BS's national data director steal data. MeNMyVolt Dec 2015 #52
My thought is that I will look forward to Hillary losing. plus5mace Dec 2015 #56
Yep, put up or shut up, DNC. Jester Messiah Dec 2015 #21
money talks bullshit walks. Hiraeth Dec 2015 #26
Its obvious that the DNC was getting very nervous about Sander's increasing momentum DJ13 Dec 2015 #24
The last two big Bernie endorsements was the trigger. Segami Dec 2015 #27
They filed for an injunction. They are not seeking damages. RandySF Dec 2015 #29
They are seeking damages. OilemFirchen Dec 2015 #41
I'm sorry, but Bernie has been naive LittleBlue Dec 2015 #33
He won't GET a penny. OilemFirchen Dec 2015 #34
They broke the contract by not giving 10 days newthinking Dec 2015 #68
I've addressed that elsewhere. OilemFirchen Dec 2015 #72
Well, that's one way to secure campaign financing. vorgan24 Dec 2015 #35
Wall St already belongs to Hillary Politicalboi Dec 2015 #64
HUGE K & R !!! - Thank You !!! WillyT Dec 2015 #39
They can just deduct it from the money he hasn't raised like he agreed to also... Historic NY Dec 2015 #76
DNC playing favorites typical Clinton crony hacks. WDIM Dec 2015 #77
Kickin' and Reccin' BeanMusical Dec 2015 #79
 

bjobotts

(9,141 posts)
70. "Sure Sanders data was there but we didn't look"-Clinton campaign
Fri Dec 18, 2015, 11:46 PM
Dec 2015

What nonsense and DWS's fraud is exposed by the comment about the Sander's campaign. It makes no sense even if a Bernie staffer did download Clinton data to cut the Sanders campaign access to their own voter data. DWS continues in her reputation for making sure democrats do not get elected. She proves that if you have nothing then you must make sure your competition is never heard from rather than just have a healthy open honest election. We are all sick of people like her and their dirty tricks. Nixonian.

Kalidurga

(14,177 posts)
2. Shit just got real
Fri Dec 18, 2015, 10:10 PM
Dec 2015

Now he is talking about money. Somehow I think Hillary's 2008 escapades are going to come to light and it's not gonna be pretty.

elana i am

(814 posts)
4. i'm kinda digging that he's doing something
Fri Dec 18, 2015, 10:17 PM
Dec 2015

proactive.

a democrat who actually fights the injustice. when is the last time that happened?

and yes, this IS an injustice. DNC should be called the democratic clinton committee. the whiff of impropriety is now a stench.

Hepburn

(21,054 posts)
11. Whoa...do I remember THAT convention.
Fri Dec 18, 2015, 10:25 PM
Dec 2015

One of my biggest heroes worships came out of that mess. Bill Kunstler. He is the man who sealed my fate on going to law school. I still have a ton of respect for him. What lawyering! I miss that man!

LiberalArkie

(15,751 posts)
38. I used to have the old audio tapes from the trial. Bought them from WBAI, reel to real tapes to help
Fri Dec 18, 2015, 10:47 PM
Dec 2015

pay for the trial.

Hepburn

(21,054 posts)
40. Wow...I would LOVE to have audio of that trial.
Fri Dec 18, 2015, 10:51 PM
Dec 2015

Judge Julius Hoffman...wow, what a hard ass...IMO, he was nuts!

LiberalArkie

(15,751 posts)
45. I lost them so many years ago, and indeed just listening to the trial on WBAI was enlightening.
Fri Dec 18, 2015, 11:00 PM
Dec 2015

Hell the who thing from RFK being killed, through the police riots through Dan Rather on the convention floor, to "The whole world is watching" It was one hell of a time to become a young adult.

Hepburn

(21,054 posts)
48. I recall listening to some of it...
Fri Dec 18, 2015, 11:04 PM
Dec 2015

...but I sure would like to re-visit it all these years later!

Oh, yeah, I came of age in the 1960s! An amazing time! Some of it memorable for bad reasons, too...like the day JFK was assassinated.

Hepburn

(21,054 posts)
54. 1948...a vintage year...
Fri Dec 18, 2015, 11:09 PM
Dec 2015

...guess what year I was born?

Oh, man...I sat up all night watching a little black and white portable TV when RFK was shot. Hit me really hard, too. I am from SoCal...so it happened in my area. I used to see the Ambassador Hotel at times...but they tore it down some time back. It was such an awful, eerie feeling every time I saw that place...especially when it was shut before it was torn down.

LiberalArkie

(15,751 posts)
59. I was working for AT&T and was in south Arkansas at the time, but was Transferred to NYC.
Fri Dec 18, 2015, 11:17 PM
Dec 2015

Loved it there. I was there for the first Earth Day, and all the protest marches etc. Managed to drive to Selma in 1965 with a Black friend who did not have a car but I did. His mama helped my mom every so often. We got beat up in Selma and the worse happened when got back home where his mom told one of his brothers to go and get her a switch. When I left I did not know she called my parents and my dad had his belt out already. Fun times.

Hepburn

(21,054 posts)
63. War protesting ...
Fri Dec 18, 2015, 11:29 PM
Dec 2015

...and at the VA hospitals with the wounded when I could go. Man, I could not handle what was happening to people I grew up with. Made me ill. I came to HATE war and those who sent our young men and women. The YES on the IWR by Hillary sticks in my craw to the max. I cannot get over this hawk bullshit she spews.

McKim

(2,412 posts)
67. Amen!
Fri Dec 18, 2015, 11:39 PM
Dec 2015

Yes, this has brewing for decades and now it is out in the open. I was thinking of holding my noise to vote for Hillary in the final election, but no, after this I can't. This kind of behavior cannot be rewarded. No matter who I might vote for in the end I will still get war and more war! I gave Senator Sanders another large donation tonight.

 

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
7. Was this all about MONEY from the beginning?
Fri Dec 18, 2015, 10:24 PM
Dec 2015

That there socialism is looking pretty capitalistic right now you know?

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
14. He couldn't take money like the rest. We have been hearing a couple months too short. Why not. Nt.
Fri Dec 18, 2015, 10:27 PM
Dec 2015
 

The Boss

(63 posts)
43. After slapping a permanent injunction against DNC/DWS
Fri Dec 18, 2015, 10:58 PM
Dec 2015

and grants Sanders the $600,000/day sanctions plus $1 million in punitive damages per day against DNC.

Let's see. That's a quite a lot of money against DNC just for two days alone.

Rose Siding

(32,623 posts)
9. Perfect.Who does he think supports the DNC?
Fri Dec 18, 2015, 10:25 PM
Dec 2015

Democrats! BS, ever the coalition building diplomat.

Reminds me of how impotent Boehner looked suing Obama.

Hepburn

(21,054 posts)
18. So you got in 8 posts already?
Fri Dec 18, 2015, 10:31 PM
Dec 2015

Too funny...do you even understand what the petn for injunctive relief is all about?

 

Meetello

(36 posts)
25. Sanders will either get $600,000 or he won't
Fri Dec 18, 2015, 10:39 PM
Dec 2015

If the judge rules against him, is the judge a corporate lackey?

 

Meetello

(36 posts)
37. Explain again?
Fri Dec 18, 2015, 10:46 PM
Dec 2015

Let me type exactly what I typed earlier. Sanders wants $600,000 a day.
The judge may rule against him and say no. Do you know what ruling against someone means?

Bubzer

(4,211 posts)
49. Have you bothered to actually read the suit? It specifies $600k/day as monitary losses.
Fri Dec 18, 2015, 11:05 PM
Dec 2015

Not necessarily the totality of what the campaign is seeking.
Contractually, the DNC is in violation. The judge wont rule against Bernie. It's not even in question.
Look for yourself:
http://www.politico.com/f/?id=00000151-b72f-d1ae-add5-f76f14db0001

 

Meetello

(36 posts)
53. The judge won't rule against Bernie because you say so?
Fri Dec 18, 2015, 11:08 PM
Dec 2015

Bernie supporter says Bernie will win this one. That settles it.

OilemFirchen

(7,143 posts)
69. Dear "Former Lawyer",
Fri Dec 18, 2015, 11:45 PM
Dec 2015
9. Limitation of Liability. Neither party shall be liable to the other party or to any person claiming rights derived from the other party's rights, for indirect, incidental, consequential, special, punitive or exemplary damages of any kind, as a result of breach of any term of this Agreement, regardless of whether the party allegedly liable was advised, had reason to know or in fact knew of the possibility thereof.


Since once is apparently not enough.
 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
17. Then he dies the death of Nader. Nader has absolutely no respect. Both of ego. That is a hard way
Fri Dec 18, 2015, 10:31 PM
Dec 2015

to let the ego die.

peacebird

(14,195 posts)
32. I think Hillary has just energized a large number of folks to not only NOT vote for her
Fri Dec 18, 2015, 10:44 PM
Dec 2015

But to write in Sanders in the GE instead.

Check the @dwsteets

murielm99

(30,816 posts)
82. Notice that Bernie is once again using the resources of
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 12:53 AM
Dec 2015

the Democratic Party, namely the VAN software, after disdaining Democrats and refusing to join the party for years.

If VAN and the people who run it are so awful, such Clinton shills, why didn't Sanders compile his own voter data? The VAN software has not been around all that many years. Activists used to compile their own voter data from lists provided precinct by precinct, by county clerks. Purist Bernie should have done that.

I have asked repeatedly if anyone here has used the VAN software, or is familiar with it. Many activists and phone bankers are familiar with it. I am only hearing speculation and accusations that Hillary's campaign did something, that there is some huge conspiracy, when Bernie's staffers are the real culprits. Talk about projection!

catnhatnh

(8,976 posts)
19. Hey-this is great news for all the Clinton supporters
Fri Dec 18, 2015, 10:31 PM
Dec 2015

...who were worried Bernie would not have enough money for a national campaign!

Divernan

(15,480 posts)
71. Excellent!
Fri Dec 18, 2015, 11:47 PM
Dec 2015

Good grief! Hillary, through Debbie, has overplayed her hand yet again. She just never learns! And there's no time for her to focus group responses to the inevitable questions on this topic which will be part of the debate! HAH!

plus5mace

(140 posts)
46. He exposed the lie of "Work through the primary for change".
Fri Dec 18, 2015, 11:02 PM
Dec 2015

The party elites don't care about primaries or democracy. They want the only choice to be their chosen candidate or a Republican.

plus5mace

(140 posts)
51. The primary isn't over yet.
Fri Dec 18, 2015, 11:06 PM
Dec 2015

Clearly Hillary must be nervous about her chances to have her puppet pull this move.

 

MeNMyVolt

(1,095 posts)
52. Yeah, she had BS's national data director steal data.
Fri Dec 18, 2015, 11:07 PM
Dec 2015

Great theory. What's your thought on the tides.

DJ13

(23,671 posts)
24. Its obvious that the DNC was getting very nervous about Sander's increasing momentum
Fri Dec 18, 2015, 10:38 PM
Dec 2015

So they felt a need to act quickly to try and blunt that momentum.

But this "leak" was a poor choice to use, it only paints the DNC as an organization solely dedicated to securing a Hillary victory.

The whole episode only serves to make people wonder how much deterioration the Hillary camp was seeing in their internal polling if they felt this shit storm was a viable alternative to continuing to have their MSM buddies completely ignoring Sanders.

OilemFirchen

(7,143 posts)
41. They are seeking damages.
Fri Dec 18, 2015, 10:54 PM
Dec 2015

They will regain access (because the DNC failed to provide adequate warning and failed to allow for corrective action), but can't collect damages (because the contract forbids them).

As it all should be. And would have been had the campaign simply met with the DNC.

 

LittleBlue

(10,362 posts)
33. I'm sorry, but Bernie has been naive
Fri Dec 18, 2015, 10:45 PM
Dec 2015

I was so disappointed with him after tithe first debate, deflecting email questions from Hillary. You had to attack her.

He got played being nice when his opponent wanted to crush him by any means. He threw away victory to be the nice guy. I think he is finished, personally, but will still vote for him in the primary.

Obama knew how to deal with this poisonous family and their minions. He saw them for what they are. Bernie didn't until it was too late.

OilemFirchen

(7,143 posts)
34. He won't GET a penny.
Fri Dec 18, 2015, 10:45 PM
Dec 2015
9. Limitation of Liability. Neither party shall be liable to the other party or to any person claiming rights derived from the other party's rights, for indirect, incidental, consequential, special, punitive or exemplary damages of any kind, as a result of breach of any term of this Agreement, regardless of whether the party allegedly liable was advised, had reason to know or in fact knew of the possibility thereof.


http://www.politico.com/f/?id=00000151-b72f-d1ae-add5-f76f14db0001

newthinking

(3,982 posts)
68. They broke the contract by not giving 10 days
Fri Dec 18, 2015, 11:43 PM
Dec 2015

The contract also stated that there is a cool down period and the data can not be witheld during that time.

So I would say there is a pretty good chance there would be damages if the DNC does not show goodwill soon.

OilemFirchen

(7,143 posts)
72. I've addressed that elsewhere.
Fri Dec 18, 2015, 11:49 PM
Dec 2015

The Sanders campaign will be granted access because the DNC violated the contract. The Sanders campaign will not receive compensation because the contract protects the DNC from liability.

Historic NY

(37,480 posts)
76. They can just deduct it from the money he hasn't raised like he agreed to also...
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 12:06 AM
Dec 2015

since no one from his campaign is donating to the DNC, he can take a chit out of petty cash.

WDIM

(1,662 posts)
77. DNC playing favorites typical Clinton crony hacks.
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 12:06 AM
Dec 2015

Im ready to leave the Democratic party if this is the dirty politics they are going to play. Instead of letting the democratic process play out uninterupted and unbiased.

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