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story interestingly timed? Right before the debate and coming out of the DNC who has been trying to shove HRH down everyone else's throat. And a data breech -- you know, like someone else we know. Hmmm, who else does that? Blaming your opponent for something you've done? It's right on the tip of my tongue. Starts with "R."
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jfern
(5,204 posts)DFA endorsement, CWA endorsement, 2 million donations. Quick, time to kill his streak of good news!
Le Taz Hot
(22,271 posts)But this time with WAY different results. People didn't hate Kerry like they do Hillary and seeing as how, like 12 people in the country actually trust her, this is going to blowback on her. Stupid, stupid, DWS!
RandySF
(63,221 posts)It must be the Masons.
ConservativeDemocrat
(2,720 posts)And that Democrats are all ignorant fools, who have nose-rings put on them like bulls.
- C.D. Proud Member of the Reality Based Community
rpannier
(24,432 posts)It is... "The RAND Corporation, in conjunction with the saucer people, under the supervision of the reverse vampires..."
You fool! The Masons?! Can't you see it's a massive government conspiracy? Or have they gotten to you too?
'Everything always works its way back to the Simpsons'
OilemFirchen
(7,143 posts)It's Big Telephone.
Don Masters, CEA Agent: That's what's in my head.
V.I. Kydor Kropotkin: Don, this is America, not Russia!
SCantiGOP
(13,969 posts)Was really born in Kenya.
Read it on the internet.
mhatrw
(10,786 posts)And that the DNC has been conspiring to hand Clinton the nomination by any means necessary.
RandySF
(63,221 posts)It's imagined. Anything that doesn't go Bernie's way is the result of some kind of conspiracy.
Truprogressive85
(900 posts)Its time to take off the gloves
The DNC and the Party leaders will do anything they do not want another 2008
Le Taz Hot
(22,271 posts)that this is, magically, going to be all over the news? Bernie's endorsements the last couple of days, along with 2 million donations to his campaign and not one word from the media. But this? This is has DNC written all over it.
bobbobbins01
(1,681 posts)It's the only time I've ever seen them run a Bernie headline like that one the front page. And I don't see a single mention of his two endorsements, or his 2 million donations on their site at all. What the fuck.
Truprogressive85
(900 posts)DWS and Party elites will do whatever they can to stop Sen.Sanders
This just too convenient!! how long was this known ?
Le Taz Hot
(22,271 posts)that it reported lax security on the part of this third-party vendor months ago. And all of a sudden, two days before the third debate, the DNC is shocked! Shocked, I tell you!
Truprogressive85
(900 posts)If the DNC knew about months ago they better prepare for the backlash
MisterFred
(525 posts)Who doesn't already hate the DNC? Republicans hate the DNC. Liberals hate the DNC. People who like debates and don't like "we're all going to die, give me money" e-mails hate the DNC. Any politician who'd like to win a state house back for the Democratic Party hates the DNC. I guess corporate donors like the DNC. For everyone else they're an enemy (Republicans) or a necessary but evil parasite (Democrats).
Matariki
(18,775 posts)Welcome to DU. Great post.
MADem
(135,425 posts)Four Sanders personnel accessed the data. Only one has been fired or named.
The campaign has refused repeated requests for information.
The optics look awful.
http://www.nytimes.com/politics/first-draft/2015/12/18/sanders-campaign-disciplined-for-breaching-clinton-data/?_r=0
Ed Suspicious
(8,879 posts)LiberalArkie
(15,906 posts)In a statement, Michael Briggs, a spokesman for the Sanders campaign told the Guardian the issue was the result of systemic failures by NGP-VAN. Sadly, the vendor who runs the DNCs voter file program continues to make serious errors, said Briggs. On more than one occasion, the vendor has dropped the firewall between the data of different Democratic campaigns. Our campaign months ago alerted the DNC to the fact that campaign data was being made available to other campaigns. At that time our campaign did not run to the media, relying instead on assurances from the vendor.
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/dec/18/democrats-punish-bernie-sanders-campaign-following-clinton-data-breach
MADem
(135,425 posts)INVESTIGATING to find out precisely what happened.
LiberalArkie
(15,906 posts)available to anyone that can get to the system? How long have candidates been able to get others data? Sanders group just notified them a few months ago and if is just NOW that it was fixed. How many years? I think someone needs to find out. This company handles the data for just about all the Democratic groups not just the DNC.
MADem
(135,425 posts)The Sanders staff hasn't even revealed who the other three people are who accessed the data.
I agree that someone needs to find out, though.
That's why the DNC is investigating. They should be able to figure out who was poking around, and what they saw, and if they copied anything.
NuclearDem
(16,184 posts)What with one side complaining about coronations, inevitability, and threatening to vote third party or Republican.
daybranch
(1,309 posts)But have to keep waiting on others to reach that conclusion in order to keep them working for Bernie while the news and everything told them Hilary was a shoo-in and everything we said against her would be used by republicans. I am now even questioning whether I will vote for Hilary if she wins. I am for democracy first and democrats second. I am beginning to believe that although we have pushed the people of the democratic party to the left our party is like our national government pretty much deaf to our desires because they have created an opposition so terrible to imagine for many the republican servants of the oligarchy. But I and many citizens do not see the essential differences between the democrats on important matters. Progressives, like African Americans and more recently Hispanics, and Asians are the mainstays of the democratic party and while welcomed as voters and workers but are having their views shut out in favor of the rich oligarchy and their control of our government.
So now I do know that an important step in putting the reins of this country in the hands of the people is to elect Bernie President, but if he does not get the nomination, I will have a much more difficult scenario and that is will I switch to green party which has almost identical values as Bernie or stay with Hilary and watch her conspire with Third Way with her owners and drive our party back to being donor controlled.
AtomicKitten
(46,585 posts)yardwork
(62,578 posts)SunSeeker
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senz
(11,945 posts)when they learned about it months ago. Sounds like they trusted the vendor and the DNC to take care of it. It's odd that the DNC did not make sure the software vendor got it fixed back then. This situation has been out there for a long time.
I hope Bernie's staff didn't fall into a trap. I would not trust anyone connected with HRC.
RandySF
(63,221 posts)They were busy looking into other people's stuff.
senz
(11,945 posts)Months ago. And the vendor assured them that it would be taken care of.
This is a responsible campaign.
But you're trying to make as much mischief out of it as you can. You're definitely coming into view.
in_cog_ni_to
(41,600 posts)yardwork
(62,578 posts)nc4bo
(17,651 posts)Agschmid
(28,749 posts)Or you just going to put that out there...
jeff47
(26,549 posts)Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)daybranch
(1,309 posts)will be seen at local democratic party levels as unwarranted and a vicious betrayal of impartiality. It will energize more people to work against a party establishment beholden to the big money donors.
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)A "Socialist" got access to secrets!!!
newthinking
(3,982 posts)Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)MADem
(135,425 posts)The longer his campaign tries to hide the other people who accessed the data, the more people think this is a big deal.
They are refusing to respond to press inquiries. Make of that what you will.
A good waste of time is to have the campaign try to prove a negative.
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)daybranch
(1,309 posts)they are accused of working against the democratic party by giving republicans talking points that could be used later by republicans. Yet we realize that for every point we would make about Hilary's positions, we could make a stronger case for that point against republicans. Right now there is a fight for control of the party and its direction. With Obama we got a centrist who prevented total disaster for the people but certainly has not changed the status quo to increase the power of the people to any great degree. Yes we have more jobs and inflation is low, but we cannot actually see a future that is better than would have occurred if we had not let the oligarchy and their banks and corporations harm our people by NAFTA, CAFTA destroy our standard of living by eliminating good paying factory jobs , creating downward pressures on wages overall, and harming the ability of Unions to organize or maintain membership. We look ahead and see the oligarchy continue to sell climate denial and we know their investments in fossil fuel must be manged so they never lose but pass on the costs to the people even as they continue to reap profits. We can and do care about these and many other things and recognize that underlying all this continuance of poor policy is the oligarchy and we know that the oligarchy has succeeded i putting up substantial roadblocks to their removal- such as Gerrymandering many states, restrictions of voter rights, and removing restrictions on buying elections through Citizens United. This occurred during the Obama Presidency and we have seen little action from the justice department to stop it. So when we see little, no or Johnny Come Lately opposition to policies we deplore, we find valid differences to point out and conclusions we must draw. Yet we must not do this as it might harm the inevitable nominee. It is clear that the DNC, DWS, and DCC are all trying to stifle debate both at national and local levels. It is also clear the republican debates are better timed for viewers. And our guy runs a clean campaign.
So after having used VANN data myself, I question even why proprietary data is on Vann. As far as Hilary's strategy goes, it does not apply to Bernie. No campaign before has use Bernie's strategy and he is not interested in dirty tricks. So Hilary after her evolution on gun control fro essentially the position she held in 2008 which were if anything more pro-gun than Bernie's then and now to her overzealous position hoping to hit a hot button to appeal to one issue voters zealous gun control voters is finding her history on that issues is not attracting many new supporters, now gets this gift from the DNC of shutting Bernie out entirely off the democrat data base. But it will not really help Hilary, because we Bernie fans do not depend on precision targetting to gain supporters or get them to the polls. We believe in what we say and we believe oiur message is saleable to most people and do not really need Vann to do our canvassing and work.
yardwork
(62,578 posts)Sanders' campaign illegally accessed somebody else's data. But for some reason this is somebody else's fault?
RandySF
(63,221 posts)It's the FOUR user accounts that were used to probe the Clinton campaign data.
newthinking
(3,982 posts)4 user accounts is easily:
Person 1: Hey, look what just came up on my search? What is up?
Person 2, 3, 4. Is the system broken (running a search).
That will show 4 people having done a search.
What I am wondering is how this even happened. More security flags are going off about the vendor. There are so many ways this should never have been possible.
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)Betty Karlson
(7,231 posts)pnwmom
(109,231 posts)If he did nothing wrong, why put a firing on his record?
Betty Karlson
(7,231 posts)and her biased shenanigans? Nice try, but I don't believe the issue is a lexical one.
The issue is the underhanded tactics of the coronation committee.
pnwmom
(109,231 posts)getting fired because he decided, in his own words, to "create a record" of the info he could access of HRC's.
Whether you believe his story or not has nothing to do with DWS.
Betty Karlson
(7,231 posts)The ostriches have called: when you are done sticking your head in the sand, could they have it back, please?
pnwmom
(109,231 posts)given that Josh Uretsky's statement is that he dug into the system in order to "create a record" of the information he could improperly access?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251909206
Betty Karlson
(7,231 posts)The onus of proof is on the accuser, not on the accused.
pnwmom
(109,231 posts)that the DNC wants an explanation and assurances that the Sanders campaign hasn't retained this proprietary info before they will once again give Sanders access to the database?
Betty Karlson
(7,231 posts)At a crucial time, weeks before the Iowa caucus?
Why no similar suspension for the Clinton campaign, when the third party contractor has obvious ties to them?
Clinton's campaign could just as easily have accessed sensitive information from the Sanders campaign? Why no demands of assurances from them, when they FAILED to report the potential breach?
See how unreasonable such demands are?
pnwmom
(109,231 posts)I missed that somehow.
Le Taz Hot
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pnwmom
(109,231 posts)much less provided evidence for it.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)I mean, if they had nothing to hide, why were they trying to hide it, amirite?
winter is coming
(11,785 posts)riversedge
(71,497 posts)yardwork
(62,578 posts)It can't be Bernie's fault!!!!
And..... Gays!!!!!
I haven't been so entertained in days.
riversedge
(71,497 posts)not seen the --the gays--blame yet. whow
aspirant
(3,533 posts)that Bernie has risen in spite of all these types of MSM smears. This is just one in a series that has no legs and tries to offset an FBI investigation.
Don't forget, Hills loves Rahm and voters lists are not national security.
newthinking
(3,982 posts)If this were to get out of hand it doesn't really help Hillary in multiple ways. Which is what is weird. Would they rather have a Republican win then lose out to Bernie?
If this escalates the Republicans and the press will be all over Hillary that she can't keep our data and national secrets safe.
Scuba
(53,475 posts)Sure seems that way.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)MisterP
(23,730 posts)after blaming everything from the Lebanon War to school shootings on NADER!!!! that's actually par for the course
what they accuse the left wing of doing is what they PLAN on doing--remember all the squealing on DU over the "purity purge" when we got the House in 2006, then they rodent-romanced Cegelis, Lamont, McKinney, Halter, Romanoff, Sestak, Grayson, Kucinich, Buono, Lutrin, Rev. Manuel Sykes, Weiland, now Wendy Davis, Grimes
yardwork
(62,578 posts)aspirant
(3,533 posts)upaloopa
(11,417 posts)per today's poll numbers.
He is heading back to 25%
aspirant
(3,533 posts)Get names and #'s of all respondents from any pollster so we can contact them directly and verify they participated and weren't counted multiple times
Chose any poll, I'll be waiting
yardwork
(62,578 posts)The deflection and excuses are entertaining. I'm enjoying the show.
Paulie
(8,464 posts)They were authorized and authenticated users in the system.
The access controls of the system were apparently turned off by the DNC's vendor while they were doing an update. They don't know how to maintain a secure system and should be fired.
yardwork
(62,578 posts)Paulie
(8,464 posts)When Target was hacked because they didn't manage their vendor remote access and neglected to segment their POS systems, anyone blaming the HVAC vendor? Anyone know the name of the HVAC vendor?
Stop with the illegal crapola. That's all.
Paulie
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seabeyond
(110,159 posts)and stealing the stuf
yardwork
(62,578 posts)Tears of laughter.
How ya doing, Sea? Is this the funniest thing in ages or what?
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)It is good seeing you, too. Always. Now, I am off, and I will not see all that develops today.
YOU... have a good day.
yardwork
(62,578 posts)Paulie
(8,464 posts)You go to google and search for XYZ. And it returns the alphabet. In LBN there are more details on the sanders campaign were the ones who reported this. And that it's happened before where all the campaigns were able to see each other.
Bad guys don't then go to the police with the loot in hand saying they left the door open.
Honestly, I'm waiting for a real accounting to come out. Problem will be the believability of the audit.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)Paulie
(8,464 posts)They didn't waste time.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)Response to Paulie (Reply #45)
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seabeyond
(110,159 posts)the responsible parties and vilifying Clinton for a Sanders staffer's wrong.
Tarc
(10,492 posts)The last refuge of the Sanders diehards; tinfoil hat conspiracies.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)Sanders supporters have blamed every negative aspect of his career on someone else. His slogan should be "Pass The Buck."
WillyT
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Le Taz Hot
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WillyT
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Walk away
(9,494 posts)there were 4 people involved and one was a key person ordering the others to access the information. Democrats don't like people stealing their information. Especially someone posing as a Democrat.
There is going to be an investigation by the DNC.
Le Taz Hot
(22,271 posts)is "Watergate" the operative word today? LOL! <flush>
Walk away
(9,494 posts)And Bernie blaming the DNC and Hillary for his campaigns theft isn't going to work with anyone but the die hard Sander's supporters that live in the corners of the internet.
Real people know that the Bernie campaign has done something crooked. Now we need to see all of their servers in order to determine how much information the stole.
Lil Missy
(17,865 posts)upaloopa
(11,417 posts)timed it just right
panader0
(25,816 posts)DWS=DNC. The DNC has a "software glitch", then claims it's all an accident.
Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)Will Hillary demand more surveillance powers for the NSA?
Le Taz Hot
(22,271 posts)Just wanted you to know that. And Tom Waits for a sig line too.
Tierra_y_Libertad
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MrMickeysMom
(20,453 posts)That's what I asked the Bernie Group before going to bed and seeing this WaPo "breaking" e-mail...
Smelled like 3 day old fish wrap at that fresh hour.... continues to stink now.
All the right people here who are so regularly pissed off at Sanders, in spite of the media black out, didn't waste any time doing their level best to pile on...
R-R-R-Rovian?
Zorra
(27,670 posts)as desperate attempts to stop Bernie and crush the threat of real democracy in America.
NowSam
(1,252 posts)Good news is no one buys it. We know Bernie is the honest one. Most people cannot say that for the others.
fredamae
(4,458 posts)Present the Oval Office to the GOP.
I'm done.
I am writing in Bernies name-no matter what in the GE.
All other Corporate/GOP Wing of the Dem Party will get a Vote of No Confidence. State And Federal
DWS lost massive seats in the House and she lost the Senate. All she has left to hand over is the Oval.
backscatter712
(26,355 posts)is have their IT people fix the security hole, have any campaign staffers that violated regs fired, then immediately restore access.
Of course, as head of the DNC, which is fair and impartial, DWS is going to immediately take care of this... Yeah, she'll get right on it.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)Anything to keep actual, you know, issues out of the public's mind!
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)and somehow its a conspiracy concocted by Hillary/DNC/DWS?
Is that what you are trying to say???
Wow!
madokie
(51,076 posts)Rove written all over it.