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AZ Progressive

(3,411 posts)
Thu Dec 3, 2015, 05:52 PM Dec 2015

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Ha ha ha ha!!!!!! GAWD. This thread is PRICELESS already!!! MADem Dec 2015 #1
So you are 100% sure that Hillary has nothing to do with this? AZ Progressive Dec 2015 #3
Not sure.. but busterbrown Dec 2015 #7
Are you 100% sure you aren't purveying GOP lies? Hekate Dec 2015 #48
Clinton advocated for Nuland (a Neoliberal and wife of the neocon of neocons) to her current role newthinking Dec 2015 #62
Hillary Clinton’s Neocon Legacy : From The Real News newthinking Dec 2015 #64
Oh, you're worried about the REPUBLICANS, are you? MADem Dec 2015 #56
I used to get upset when I saw some of the denizens of this board carrying the GOP's water... DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2015 #4
You need to know all you need to know about someone before you risk the Party's reputation on them AZ Progressive Dec 2015 #8
That is why I rely on the counsel of those without bias./nt DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2015 #10
Prosecutors often don't need a smoking gun to convict someone AZ Progressive Dec 2015 #15
We can not live our lives in fear of what the GO(PU) will or won't do. DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2015 #16
So you would risk Hillary at all costs? AZ Progressive Dec 2015 #17
I don't think I said that but I would appreciate it if you don't put words in my mouth going forward DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2015 #19
This message was self-deleted by its author MMTampa Dec 2015 #29
So you would let the GOP decide who is and is not an acceptable Dem candidate? Hekate Dec 2015 #49
That's how it looks to me as well randys1 Dec 2015 #55
Interesting. Many hillary supporters claim the GOP would tear Bernie apart. Bubzer Dec 2015 #43
yep. seems it's one thing after the other with poor innocent Hillary 2pooped2pop Dec 2015 #32
So you too would let the GOP choose a Democratic candidate for you. Nice. nt Hekate Dec 2015 #57
no I'm a Bernie supporter 2pooped2pop Dec 2015 #72
LOL!!! I'm sorry if that seems rude, but Hillary has been the subject of numerous investigations. Laser102 Dec 2015 #23
+1 SunSeeker Dec 2015 #68
I've been saying for a while that I come here for the laughs. Beacool Dec 2015 #83
+1 Buzz Clik Dec 2015 #61
it's obama's policy. complain to him nt nt msongs Dec 2015 #2
If something good happened while Hillary was SOS, her supporters give her credit, even if Obama was merrily Dec 2015 #5
you really can't speak for me actually. if the policy is obama's and it turns out well then he gets msongs Dec 2015 #12
As a neutral observer I must agree with your conclusion that your interlocutor acted presumptuously. DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2015 #21
So we should have gone to war against ISIS sooner? Agschmid Dec 2015 #6
I have never been confident of her chances in the general--way before Sanders announced, I was merrily Dec 2015 #9
Nominating an underfunded out of mainstream candidate who is vulnerable to neg. ads is also dumb Gothmog Dec 2015 #11
Enjoyed reading. Nt NCTraveler Dec 2015 #75
This nonsense gets funnier by the day. JoePhilly Dec 2015 #13
Good thing I wasn't drinking when I read the OP shenmue Dec 2015 #27
"Hillary Clinton is a ticking time bomb" zappaman Dec 2015 #14
I thought this was a joke post. This is getting fucking sad, this Fox new style terror warning. bettyellen Dec 2015 #34
Wait....it's not a joke post? zappaman Dec 2015 #40
I saw you had an appreciation thread! I was worried you were Zapped!! What prompted that? bettyellen Dec 2015 #50
Sorry but i had to break up the band and go solo! zappaman Dec 2015 #69
What about our plans for a SUPERGROUP?!?!? bettyellen Dec 2015 #71
Is it my imagination, or are the Sander's people getting...angry? brooklynite Dec 2015 #18
Because his acolytes are just as personal, political, and partisan as he is... DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2015 #20
This is bigger than party or personality. This is an existential threat to western civilization CJCRANE Dec 2015 #30
I don't know about the rest of the Sanders supporters 2pooped2pop Dec 2015 #37
... AzDar Dec 2015 #42
Well we all have our individual paradigm upaloopa Dec 2015 #51
and perhaps this is why there are so many. 2pooped2pop Dec 2015 #54
+100. Jackilope Dec 2015 #59
thank you for responding. 2pooped2pop Dec 2015 #63
yes! TheFarseer Dec 2015 #76
Bernie is angry redstateblues Dec 2015 #85
Bernie Bunker enid602 Dec 2015 #22
I can not wait for the first woman president of the United States of america. Nt. seabeyond Dec 2015 #24
Can we change the name of GDP to GD: Vilify Clinton? shenmue Dec 2015 #25
Salafism is the main threat to the west. Western intervention is promoting Salafism. CJCRANE Dec 2015 #26
No Problem! Gamecock Lefty Dec 2015 #28
Bombs! bombs! Bombs! Terrorizing us much, LOL? *sarcasm* bettyellen Dec 2015 #31
indeed, her unfavorable numbers indicate that stupidicus Dec 2015 #33
Fox News terror warning! Hillary and Obama are soft on terrorism! leftofcool Dec 2015 #38
and as you can see, one already attempted it stupidicus Dec 2015 #52
This new talking point is adorbs. Starry Messenger Dec 2015 #35
Is this from The Onion? leftofcool Dec 2015 #36
I like pointing out Hillary's faults and lies but, Politicalboi Dec 2015 #39
So. Much. BAGGAGE. Couple that fact with her serial mendacity and general shape-shifting... AzDar Dec 2015 #41
This message was self-deleted by its author Blue_Adept Dec 2015 #45
not sure what to say - nuts comes to mind rurallib Dec 2015 #44
THIS IS THE ANSWER! Blue_Adept Dec 2015 #46
More bull shit. getting deep around here upaloopa Dec 2015 #47
The Bernie Supporter Scorched Earth Policy is wearing thin. The_Casual_Observer Dec 2015 #53
I find it interesting that you guys here don't like me yet keep on supporting my posts by responding AZ Progressive Dec 2015 #58
Actually, I do like you. leftofcool Dec 2015 #67
Let me show you how much this matters Godhumor Dec 2015 #60
The source is Judicial Watch. Scootaloo Dec 2015 #65
Hoo boy! NurseJackie Dec 2015 #66
Fuck Ron Paul SunSeeker Dec 2015 #70
LOL.. what non-sense. DCBob Dec 2015 #73
Apocalyptic much? Proud Liberal Dem Dec 2015 #74
We created the Shah of Iran and empowered Osama Bin Laden. Crystalite Dec 2015 #77
Wait. Ticking Timebomb? NCTraveler Dec 2015 #78
The desperation reeks... DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2015 #79
I can see it Joe Turner Dec 2015 #80
My research of Ben Swann. floriduck Dec 2015 #81
Yes, be afraid, be very afraid........... Beacool Dec 2015 #82
The only thing ticking redstateblues Dec 2015 #84
All candidates are a risk ESKD Dec 2015 #86

MADem

(135,425 posts)
1. Ha ha ha ha!!!!!! GAWD. This thread is PRICELESS already!!!
Thu Dec 3, 2015, 05:57 PM
Dec 2015


Psssst. Pro tip--the DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE (they're those folks headquartered in the PENTAGON) is a different cabinet agency than the DEPARTMENT OF STATE.



I smell flopsweat.

AZ Progressive

(3,411 posts)
3. So you are 100% sure that Hillary has nothing to do with this?
Thu Dec 3, 2015, 05:58 PM
Dec 2015

The Republicans won't be as easy as you are...

busterbrown

(8,515 posts)
7. Not sure.. but
Thu Dec 3, 2015, 06:07 PM
Dec 2015

I’m 100% sure she was responsible for the California Fires last summer...

I read it somewhere..

Hekate

(91,299 posts)
48. Are you 100% sure you aren't purveying GOP lies?
Thu Dec 3, 2015, 07:51 PM
Dec 2015

The Republicans have been lying and smearing Hillary since she was First Lady of Arkansas and had the nerveless gall to keep both her career and her maiden name.

They have you beat 6 ways from Sunday in that regard.

newthinking

(3,982 posts)
62. Clinton advocated for Nuland (a Neoliberal and wife of the neocon of neocons) to her current role
Thu Dec 3, 2015, 08:11 PM
Dec 2015

And Nuland has essentially been involved in regime change activities.

I don't know if she is gullible or not but she seems to at least "go along" with a lot of this stuff (basically a continuation of PNAC).

PNAC has had it's hands all over the middle east. MCcain is spending as much time out of the country promoting "democracy (IE war) as in Washington.

newthinking

(3,982 posts)
64. Hillary Clinton’s Neocon Legacy : From The Real News
Thu Dec 3, 2015, 08:20 PM
Dec 2015

Hillary Clinton’s Neocon Legacy: Coups, Dictators, Corruption, Chaos, Executions and Assassination

David William Pear
The Real News

http://therealnews.com/t2/component/content/article/170-more-blog-posts-from-david-william-pear/2458-hillary-clintons-neocon-legacy-coups-dictators-corruption-chaos-executions-and-assassination

MADem

(135,425 posts)
56. Oh, you're worried about the REPUBLICANS, are you?
Thu Dec 3, 2015, 08:03 PM
Dec 2015

Google Bernie Sanders and Cervical Cancer and be VERY afraid of those "Republicans."

Don't wave a two-edged sword about like that--you'll cut yourself.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,719 posts)
4. I used to get upset when I saw some of the denizens of this board carrying the GOP's water...
Thu Dec 3, 2015, 06:01 PM
Dec 2015

Now I pity them when I'm not laughing at them.

AZ Progressive

(3,411 posts)
8. You need to know all you need to know about someone before you risk the Party's reputation on them
Thu Dec 3, 2015, 06:08 PM
Dec 2015

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,719 posts)
10. That is why I rely on the counsel of those without bias./nt
Thu Dec 3, 2015, 06:10 PM
Dec 2015

AZ Progressive

(3,411 posts)
15. Prosecutors often don't need a smoking gun to convict someone
Thu Dec 3, 2015, 06:20 PM
Dec 2015

Thus, the Republicans don't need a smoking gun to make Hillary complicit in this.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,719 posts)
16. We can not live our lives in fear of what the GO(PU) will or won't do.
Thu Dec 3, 2015, 06:21 PM
Dec 2015

The best defense is a good offense.

AZ Progressive

(3,411 posts)
17. So you would risk Hillary at all costs?
Thu Dec 3, 2015, 06:22 PM
Dec 2015

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,719 posts)
19. I don't think I said that but I would appreciate it if you don't put words in my mouth going forward
Thu Dec 3, 2015, 06:25 PM
Dec 2015

Thank you in advance.

Response to AZ Progressive (Reply #17)

Hekate

(91,299 posts)
49. So you would let the GOP decide who is and is not an acceptable Dem candidate?
Thu Dec 3, 2015, 07:53 PM
Dec 2015

Very telling.

randys1

(16,286 posts)
55. That's how it looks to me as well
Thu Dec 3, 2015, 08:02 PM
Dec 2015

Bubzer

(4,211 posts)
43. Interesting. Many hillary supporters claim the GOP would tear Bernie apart.
Thu Dec 3, 2015, 07:45 PM
Dec 2015

But as you say; We can not live our lives in fear of what the GOP will or won't do.

 

2pooped2pop

(5,420 posts)
32. yep. seems it's one thing after the other with poor innocent Hillary
Thu Dec 3, 2015, 07:33 PM
Dec 2015

I don't doubt for a second that they have something good they are holding for an October surprise type thing. Something to raise doubt at the last moments. They would be stupid not to/

Hekate

(91,299 posts)
57. So you too would let the GOP choose a Democratic candidate for you. Nice. nt
Thu Dec 3, 2015, 08:06 PM
Dec 2015
 

2pooped2pop

(5,420 posts)
72. no I'm a Bernie supporter
Thu Dec 3, 2015, 09:20 PM
Dec 2015

Though many bank and corporate bigwigs did say they would be happy with Hillary or a republican. Like they felt they would benefit equally from either.
And I have always felt republicans wanted to go up against Hillary because of all that baggage she has for them to use against her.

Laser102

(816 posts)
23. LOL!!! I'm sorry if that seems rude, but Hillary has been the subject of numerous investigations.
Thu Dec 3, 2015, 07:18 PM
Dec 2015

By the REAL enemy, the republicans. If there was anything they could throw at her, it has already been done. She is going to be a great President.

SunSeeker

(51,970 posts)
68. +1
Thu Dec 3, 2015, 08:54 PM
Dec 2015

Beacool

(30,254 posts)
83. I've been saying for a while that I come here for the laughs.
Thu Dec 3, 2015, 10:09 PM
Dec 2015

It seems that anything is acceptable, as long as it's against Hillary. It doesn't matter the source or whether it's a RW talking point. As long as it bashes Hillary, then it's A-OK.

Silly me to think that this was a Democratic board.

 

Buzz Clik

(38,437 posts)
61. +1
Thu Dec 3, 2015, 08:09 PM
Dec 2015

msongs

(67,607 posts)
2. it's obama's policy. complain to him nt nt
Thu Dec 3, 2015, 05:57 PM
Dec 2015

merrily

(45,251 posts)
5. If something good happened while Hillary was SOS, her supporters give her credit, even if Obama was
Thu Dec 3, 2015, 06:04 PM
Dec 2015

literally by her side. If something bad happened while Hillary was SOS, it was all Obama's fault. Always.

You'd think it was part of a playbook.

msongs

(67,607 posts)
12. you really can't speak for me actually. if the policy is obama's and it turns out well then he gets
Thu Dec 3, 2015, 06:11 PM
Dec 2015

credit

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,719 posts)
21. As a neutral observer I must agree with your conclusion that your interlocutor acted presumptuously.
Thu Dec 3, 2015, 06:29 PM
Dec 2015

EOM

Agschmid

(28,749 posts)
6. So we should have gone to war against ISIS sooner?
Thu Dec 3, 2015, 06:06 PM
Dec 2015

I thought the point was less war?

merrily

(45,251 posts)
9. I have never been confident of her chances in the general--way before Sanders announced, I was
Thu Dec 3, 2015, 06:09 PM
Dec 2015

not confident of her chances in the general.

Gothmog

(146,432 posts)
11. Nominating an underfunded out of mainstream candidate who is vulnerable to neg. ads is also dumb
Thu Dec 3, 2015, 06:11 PM
Dec 2015

It is hard to take the Sanders claims seriously when the Sanders supporters and campaign are unable to explain how Sanders is viable in a general election contest where the Kochs will be spending $887 million and the RNC candidate may be spending another billion dollars. Nominating a non-mainstream candidate who will not be viable in the general election is not an attractive option compared to the largely mythical claims concerning Sec. Clinton.

If the Sanders supporters want people to take Sanders seriously as an alternative to Clinton, then they need to have some explanation as to how Sanders is viable in a general election. I keep looking and asking for such an explanation and yet to see anything that makes sense. I note for example that even Sander's own campaign manager does not think that Sander will be the nominee and has defined sucess as Sanders doing as well as Jessee Jackson did in 1984 and 1988. http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/10/12/bernie-sanders-s-strategist-this-is-how-we-win.html If you read the last three paragraphs of this article, Sanders campaign manager does not outline a path to the nomination but a path to be a "serious" candidate.

If all goes according to plan, Sanders will have won enough delegates by mid-March to be a serious contender for the nomination. That would signal a shift for Sanders; it would be time to court the establishment. “Then we have to offer fundamental assurances to party leaders who say he’s a socialist. He’s been in the Congress 25 years and his program is not to replace the current system with socialism, it’s to revive the middle class.”

Sanders’s outsider campaign has been likened to Jesse Jackson’s insurgent campaign in 1988—it wasn’t until the Wisconsin primary in April that Michael Dukakis defeated Jackson. But Devine thinks the more apt analogy to today’s politics is 1984 when the combination of Gary Hart’s insurgency and Jackson’s coalition of minority voters together almost beat Walter Mondale. “Jackson never received support from the institutional party, but he demanded respect. If we register, as Jesse Jackson did, millions of people, that would be a huge lift for the party in Senate races.” And for whichever Democrat reaches the magic number of delegates next year to secure the nomination.

The idea that Sanders is good for the Democratic Party is a hard lesson for Clinton to appreciate in the heat of battle. But he’s got voters fired up and ready to go, and Democrats need that energy.

The apparent goal of this campaign is not for Sanders to be the nominee but to be considered a serious candidate who might almost beat Hillary Clinton.

I was amused that this article was discussed as being positive for Sanders http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=667157 I read the entire article including the last three paragraphs. It appears that thee best that Sanders' campaign manager is hoping for is to duplicate Jessee Jackson's 1984 feat of getting close to keeping Mondale from the being the nominee. My problem is that I like most Clinton supporters like Sanders and already respect him on a personal level. I am not sure what more Sanders will get by being a serious contender.

This article is silent on what Sanders intend to do in a general election contest in that it appears that Sanders campaign manager does not expect that Sanders will be the nominee.

Again, support the candidate of your choice and I will support the candidate who I think is most viable. I have a great deal of personal respect for Sanders and I have no problem with giving Sanders a great deal of respect at the Democratic National Convention for being a serious contender.
 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
75. Enjoyed reading. Nt
Thu Dec 3, 2015, 09:27 PM
Dec 2015

JoePhilly

(27,787 posts)
13. This nonsense gets funnier by the day.
Thu Dec 3, 2015, 06:13 PM
Dec 2015

shenmue

(38,506 posts)
27. Good thing I wasn't drinking when I read the OP
Thu Dec 3, 2015, 07:20 PM
Dec 2015

I would have spit all over my phone.

zappaman

(20,606 posts)
14. "Hillary Clinton is a ticking time bomb"
Thu Dec 3, 2015, 06:13 PM
Dec 2015

Funniest OP I've read in a while!
You totally nailed the kind of bullshit that Hillary Haters spew on a regular basis.
Well done!!!

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
34. I thought this was a joke post. This is getting fucking sad, this Fox new style terror warning.
Thu Dec 3, 2015, 07:34 PM
Dec 2015

zappaman

(20,606 posts)
40. Wait....it's not a joke post?
Thu Dec 3, 2015, 07:42 PM
Dec 2015

Nah, it has to be.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
50. I saw you had an appreciation thread! I was worried you were Zapped!! What prompted that?
Thu Dec 3, 2015, 07:54 PM
Dec 2015

Aside from being fabulous?

zappaman

(20,606 posts)
69. Sorry but i had to break up the band and go solo!
Thu Dec 3, 2015, 09:02 PM
Dec 2015
 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
71. What about our plans for a SUPERGROUP?!?!?
Thu Dec 3, 2015, 09:06 PM
Dec 2015



brooklynite

(95,301 posts)
18. Is it my imagination, or are the Sander's people getting...angry?
Thu Dec 3, 2015, 06:22 PM
Dec 2015

To paraphrase a question I keep getting asked: "if they're so confident that Sanders is going to win, why is all of this mud necessary?"

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,719 posts)
20. Because his acolytes are just as personal, political, and partisan as he is...
Thu Dec 3, 2015, 06:27 PM
Dec 2015

The suggestion that he isn't and they aren't is farcical.

CJCRANE

(18,184 posts)
30. This is bigger than party or personality. This is an existential threat to western civilization
Thu Dec 3, 2015, 07:28 PM
Dec 2015

starting with Europe right now.

If we keep feeding this monster it will consume us.

 

2pooped2pop

(5,420 posts)
37. I don't know about the rest of the Sanders supporters
Thu Dec 3, 2015, 07:41 PM
Dec 2015

but this Sanders supporter has been angry for a long time. Angry that people would even consider Hillary. She will not change a thing. We will continue to limp along with more and more of the middle and lower class losing ground and outright dying, while the rich take everything. There is zero chance of change with Hillary. Zero. So yeah, I will back someone who gives us hope like Obama did against her any day. Even when that hope is less than we wanted. Hope is better than knowing good damned well that more of your friends and family are going to lose this fucking battle to survive.

So no your schemes and games and words are not pissing me off but the whole damned idea of purposely backing a corporate shill pissed me off greatly. Yes, she may very well win but the entire fucking world loses if she does.

 

AzDar

(14,023 posts)
42. ...
Thu Dec 3, 2015, 07:45 PM
Dec 2015

upaloopa

(11,417 posts)
51. Well we all have our individual paradigm
Thu Dec 3, 2015, 07:55 PM
Dec 2015

that colors our world.

The anti Hillary paradigms are a dime a dozen around here.

 

2pooped2pop

(5,420 posts)
54. and perhaps this is why there are so many.
Thu Dec 3, 2015, 08:01 PM
Dec 2015

It blows the mind that some "on our side" would vote for republican lite. It feels like the general election when we have to face the republicans followed by a general election in which we have to face the republicans.

Jackilope

(819 posts)
59. +100.
Thu Dec 3, 2015, 08:09 PM
Dec 2015

Thank you -- this truly sums up how I am feeling as well.

 

2pooped2pop

(5,420 posts)
63. thank you for responding.
Thu Dec 3, 2015, 08:18 PM
Dec 2015

It is truly a horrible feeling that gives me a sadness inside for America. I know it wouldn't be as bad as an actual republican in office but the people will surely fail to thrive and continue our downward spiral.

TheFarseer

(9,331 posts)
76. yes!
Thu Dec 3, 2015, 09:29 PM
Dec 2015

I'm glad government run by the highest bidder is so funny to most in this thread because it's about to get hilarious in the USA.

redstateblues

(10,565 posts)
85. Bernie is angry
Thu Dec 3, 2015, 10:42 PM
Dec 2015

that's what gets his supporters going. That's why he has stalled.

enid602

(8,711 posts)
22. Bernie Bunker
Thu Dec 3, 2015, 07:14 PM
Dec 2015

Swell. Another paranoid prediction from the Bernie Bunker, as rhe Clinton Army reaches the outskirts of the city.

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
24. I can not wait for the first woman president of the United States of america. Nt.
Thu Dec 3, 2015, 07:18 PM
Dec 2015

shenmue

(38,506 posts)
25. Can we change the name of GDP to GD: Vilify Clinton?
Thu Dec 3, 2015, 07:19 PM
Dec 2015

This is garbage.

CJCRANE

(18,184 posts)
26. Salafism is the main threat to the west. Western intervention is promoting Salafism.
Thu Dec 3, 2015, 07:20 PM
Dec 2015

Our western leaders are not telling us the full story. They are leading us down a very dark path.

We are sleepwalking to oblivion, at the hands of a monster we helped create.

The time to wake up is now.

Gamecock Lefty

(702 posts)
28. No Problem!
Thu Dec 3, 2015, 07:21 PM
Dec 2015

I'm standing tall with the ticking time bomb!

Go get 'em, Hillary!

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
31. Bombs! bombs! Bombs! Terrorizing us much, LOL? *sarcasm*
Thu Dec 3, 2015, 07:32 PM
Dec 2015
 

stupidicus

(2,570 posts)
33. indeed, her unfavorable numbers indicate that
Thu Dec 3, 2015, 07:33 PM
Dec 2015

and should that happen her supporters will blame everyone but themselves

leftofcool

(19,460 posts)
38. Fox News terror warning! Hillary and Obama are soft on terrorism!
Thu Dec 3, 2015, 07:41 PM
Dec 2015

Jesus Christ on a crutch!

 

stupidicus

(2,570 posts)
52. and as you can see, one already attempted it
Thu Dec 3, 2015, 07:56 PM
Dec 2015

eom

Starry Messenger

(32,342 posts)
35. This new talking point is adorbs.
Thu Dec 3, 2015, 07:39 PM
Dec 2015

leftofcool

(19,460 posts)
36. Is this from The Onion?
Thu Dec 3, 2015, 07:39 PM
Dec 2015
 

Politicalboi

(15,189 posts)
39. I like pointing out Hillary's faults and lies but,
Thu Dec 3, 2015, 07:42 PM
Dec 2015

I don't buy this bullshit. Bush created ISIS, and they have been out of control for years now. Hillary has land mines to jump, but I don't think this will explode on her. This is GOP talking points 101.

 

AzDar

(14,023 posts)
41. So. Much. BAGGAGE. Couple that fact with her serial mendacity and general shape-shifting...
Thu Dec 3, 2015, 07:43 PM
Dec 2015

and ALL the alarm bells should be sounding.

Response to AzDar (Reply #41)

rurallib

(62,537 posts)
44. not sure what to say - nuts comes to mind
Thu Dec 3, 2015, 07:45 PM
Dec 2015

what I am thinking may earn me a timeout.

edit to add - at times like this I sure miss that unrec button.

Blue_Adept

(6,406 posts)
46. THIS IS THE ANSWER!
Thu Dec 3, 2015, 07:48 PM
Dec 2015


Or perhaps this is more to the liking?



upaloopa

(11,417 posts)
47. More bull shit. getting deep around here
Thu Dec 3, 2015, 07:49 PM
Dec 2015
 

The_Casual_Observer

(27,742 posts)
53. The Bernie Supporter Scorched Earth Policy is wearing thin.
Thu Dec 3, 2015, 07:57 PM
Dec 2015

AZ Progressive

(3,411 posts)
58. I find it interesting that you guys here don't like me yet keep on supporting my posts by responding
Thu Dec 3, 2015, 08:08 PM
Dec 2015

to them.

leftofcool

(19,460 posts)
67. Actually, I do like you.
Thu Dec 3, 2015, 08:43 PM
Dec 2015

I would prefer you argue your case against Hillary without using RW talking points. Credibility is diminished when you call Obama and or Hillary a "war monger" in one breath (like Rand Paul) and then post an OP saying they are both "soft on terrorism" (every GOP member). If an OP smells like it comes from Rush Limbaugh or FOX Snooze, then it probably does.

Godhumor

(6,437 posts)
60. Let me show you how much this matters
Thu Dec 3, 2015, 08:09 PM
Dec 2015

































Any questions?
 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
65. The source is Judicial Watch.
Thu Dec 3, 2015, 08:32 PM
Dec 2015

I'd rather do a few lines of ajax cleanser than watch this video.

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
66. Hoo boy!
Thu Dec 3, 2015, 08:39 PM
Dec 2015

SunSeeker

(51,970 posts)
70. Fuck Ron Paul
Thu Dec 3, 2015, 09:03 PM
Dec 2015
One theme of Swann's Reality Check segment was covering the lack of media attention given to Ron Paul's candidacy and aired a piece alleging bias in the media's coverage of Ron Paul's presidential campaign[17] and the Ron Paul newsletter controversy had already drawn national attention.[18][19]


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ben_Swann

DCBob

(24,689 posts)
73. LOL.. what non-sense.
Thu Dec 3, 2015, 09:22 PM
Dec 2015

Proud Liberal Dem

(24,474 posts)
74. Apocalyptic much?
Thu Dec 3, 2015, 09:27 PM
Dec 2015

What's the NEXT thing that's going to destroy her candidacy (and our party)? I'm breathless with anticipation. /s If anybody should be worried about an election disaster in 2016, it should be Republicans. All of their candidates are literally walking disasters. I'm not losing sleep over Hillary.

 

Crystalite

(164 posts)
77. We created the Shah of Iran and empowered Osama Bin Laden.
Thu Dec 3, 2015, 09:31 PM
Dec 2015

That we created ISIS is entirely within the realm of possibilities.

We are that fucked up.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
78. Wait. Ticking Timebomb?
Thu Dec 3, 2015, 09:31 PM
Dec 2015

Really? That is where we are at here?

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,719 posts)
79. The desperation reeks...
Thu Dec 3, 2015, 09:33 PM
Dec 2015

I can smell it from my computer.


 

Joe Turner

(930 posts)
80. I can see it
Thu Dec 3, 2015, 09:36 PM
Dec 2015

If it wasn't for the pubic uproar over Obama's statements that he was going to send troops into Syria to take out Assad he would have done it. Obama, Hillary et al decided IMO to select option II -- support and arm ISIS. This is big time blow back and another example of Hillary's bad judgement in foreign affairs.

 

floriduck

(2,262 posts)
81. My research of Ben Swann.
Thu Dec 3, 2015, 09:46 PM
Dec 2015

Even as a Bernie guy, I am not comfortable in blindly accepting this video at face vale. First I googled his name and read his Wikipedia information. He was originally a local Fox channel announcer. Then he was in Cincinnati with an NBC affiliate, and back to a Fox station. But I noticed he had his own YouTube channel so I went there and looked and listened to other RealityCheck shows.

Ben Swann seems to straddle the fence in his various topics, which tells me he's bipartisan in his attacks. One segment is how the GOP was rigging elections. He also blasted Debbie Wasserman-Schultz for her debate restrictions. So he seems to have an equal opportunity focus. This gives me a bit more comfort that his views are above board.

Beacool

(30,254 posts)
82. Yes, be afraid, be very afraid...........
Thu Dec 3, 2015, 10:06 PM
Dec 2015



redstateblues

(10,565 posts)
84. The only thing ticking
Thu Dec 3, 2015, 10:39 PM
Dec 2015

is time running out on Bernie

 

ESKD

(57 posts)
86. All candidates are a risk
Thu Dec 3, 2015, 10:44 PM
Dec 2015

Clinton is just extremely high risk as a nominee.

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