2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumSaying: "Clinton needs SuperPAC Money to Fight the Corrupting Influence of Money in Politics"
is exactly like saying this:
JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)I'm sure you know that, right?
Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)Over the last few months, I've been amazed at how ill-informed DUers are.
demwing
(16,916 posts)We know that there's not supposed to be coordination...
ah hell, can't finish that statement
JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)Probably the only chance Bernie's got at this point.
demwing
(16,916 posts)you mean those points?
JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)Or are you thinking Bernie will be President of a new country comprised of Iowa and New Hampshire?
demwing
(16,916 posts)or are you saying NH and IA don't count?
Cool! Hillary cedes the first primary and the first caucus. That's a winning strategy
JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)demwing
(16,916 posts)Answer: since 1972, BC is the only candidate who lost both IA and NH and went on to win their party nomination.
Well sorry, but Hillary Clinton is no Bill Clinton.
http://www.factcheck.org/2007/12/bill-clinton-lost-iowa-and-new-hampshire-primaries/
JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)Bernie is no Bill, nor will he replicate Obama's success.
demwing
(16,916 posts)I made a point that Bernie is positioned to win both NH and IA. You countered that Bill Clinton lost both NH and IA, and still went on to take the nomination.
That worked fine till it was established that ONLY Bill Clinton has achieved that. If you think Hillary can as well, then you are comparing Hillary to Bill.
As I said before, Hillary sure as hell isn't Bill.
JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)And Bernie won't be able to turn the tide the way Obama did.
In the end, Bill, Obama and Hillary will all have won the nomination and the general.
demwing
(16,916 posts)arcane1
(38,613 posts)Hillary Clinton's campaign intends to coordinate directly with a newly formed super PAC able to receive unlimited donations, according to a Washington Post report.
The Democratic presidential candidate's campaign will work in conjunction with Correct the Record, an independent rapid-response team, previously a part of super PAC American Bridge, which conducts opposition research on Republican presidential candidates and possible GOP presidential candidates. The New York Times first reported Tuesday that Correct the Record would split from its parent organization to support the Clinton campaign.
Though Federal Election Commission (FEC) rules prohibit direct coordination between super PACs and declared candidates, Correct the Record believes it will be able to coordinate with Clinton without violating campaign finance regulations.
The FEC restricts paid internet political advertisements, making them subject to campaign spending limits and disclosure requirements. However, a 2006 FEC rule exempts "public communications" -- like unpaid posts on websites or blogs -- from such regulations. The rules were initially implemented as a safeguard against regulating the free speech of bloggers and other internet communications.
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http://www.cbsnews.com/news/hillary-clinton-plans-to-coordinate-directly-with-super-pac/
Link to the original Washington Post report titled "How a super PAC plans to coordinate directly with Hillary Clintons campaign":
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2015/05/12/how-a-super-pac-plans-to-coordinate-directly-with-hillary-clintons-campaign/
peacebird
(14,195 posts)LiberalArkie
(15,739 posts)Mind if I tag along?
daleanime
(17,796 posts)I'm sure that they only talked about it.
think
(11,641 posts)How a super PAC plans to coordinate directly with Hillary Clintons campaign
By Matea Gold May 12
Hillary Clintons campaign plans to work in tight conjunction with an independent rapid-response group financed by unlimited donations, another novel form of political outsourcing that has emerged as a dominant practice in the 2016 presidential race.
On Tuesday, Correct the Record, a pro-Clinton rapid-response operation, announced it was splitting off from its parent American Bridge and will work in coordination with the Clinton campaign as a stand-alone super PAC. The groups move was first reported by the New York Times.
That befuddled many campaign finance experts, who noted that super PACs, by definition, are political committees that solely do independent expenditures, which cannot be coordinated with a candidate or political party. Several said the relationship between the campaign and the super PAC would test the legal limits.
But Correct the Record believes it can avoid the coordination ban by relying on a 2006 Federal Election Commission regulation that declared that content posted online for free, such as blogs, is off limits from regulation. The Internet exemption said that such free postings do not constitute campaign expenditures, allowing independent groups to consult with candidates about the content they post on their sites. By adopting the measure, the FEC limited its online jurisdiction to regulating paid political ads.
The rules totally exempt individuals who engage in political activity on the Internet from the restrictions of the campaign finance laws. The exemption for individual Internet activity in the final rules is categorical and unqualified, then-FEC Chairman Michael E. Toner said at the time, according to a 2006 Washington Post story. The regulation protects Internet activities by individuals in all forms, including e-mailing, linking, blogging, or hosting a Web site," said Toner, now a prominent Republican campaign finance attorney...
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2015/05/12/how-a-super-pac-plans-to-coordinate-directly-with-hillary-clintons-campaign/
JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)... when he covered, rather hilariously, all of the loop holes in the laws surrounding super PACs.
So again ... all you have to do is show how Hillary, is breaking the laws around super PACs.
think
(11,641 posts)decided why not go all in and find a loophole to exploit which allows direct coordination with campaigns.
The Clinton's know the law well and are very adept at adhering to the letter of the law. It's the spirit that just isn't there....
JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)Look, you can not pick and choose. The GOP will use the EXISTING laws to the fullest extent possible.
Citizen's United allows a shit load of money into the process. And Bernie, is not going to denounce the PAC money that supports him, nor should he.
But for some reason, Hillary has to denounce all PAC money, and those who create PACs to support her, are not allowed to leverage the laws in the exact same manner that those who run PACs for her GOP competitors will leverage those same laws.
You might as well argue that real NCAA Basketball teams should not shoot 3-pointers because its not fair.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)Either the OP doesn't know how things work, or the OP doesn't care and willingly makes erroneous comparisons. (That's my "nice" way of saying something that could get this post hidden if I wanted to be blunt.)
Basically, it's a bullshit post that's intended to distract from Bernie's hypocrisy and his weaknesses. The undeserved attention this post gets will be entertaining to him, I'm certain.
JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)The other day we heard how Hillary supports Citizens United because she won't denounce super PACs that support her.
And yet Bernie has not denounced a new super PAC that supports him, and that's perfectly ok.
Hillary is bad for being pragmatic, and Bernie is absolved for being just as pragmatic.
Fun to watch.
Vincardog
(20,234 posts)Or they are obtuse.
peacebird
(14,195 posts)What a super pac can do and a pac.
Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)I mean, he has not denounced that super PAC.
Has he?
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)Clintonistas have been thrashing Bernie as 'unelectable' because he doesn't rely on Wall St.
Super-pacs for huge corporate donations from criminal Banksters, like Hillary does; but then
when a nurse's LABOR UNION forms their own pac, and supports Bernie with it, suddenly
"Oh look! Bernie supports CU".
It's a ludicrous self-serving smear, and you know it.
JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)And its the same set of rules that the GOP will be using.
Apparently, saying that Bernie is playing by those same exact rules is now "trashing him".
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)and if you're trying to argue that Hillary raking-in million$ from her own PAC (Correct the Record/David Brock) and cashing in from pacs of Wall St./MIC/Private Prisons/Big Pharma/et.al. is somehow 'equivalent' to Bernie to be supported by one nurse's pac, then I have a bridge for you.
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)Follow the money if you really want to know where she stands.
JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)Correct the Record is not "her own" PAC.
It has to follow the same rules as any other PAC.
Maybe you can show where she runs that PAC.
Their site says ... "Paid For By Correct The Record. Not authorized by any candidate or candidate's committee."
Now, if you can prove that statement is not true, maybe you can have her arrested, thus giving Bernie a chance to win the nomination.
A PAC is a PAC.
demwing
(16,916 posts)And it's hard to tell the good guys from the bad guys when everyone is chasing the money.
reformist2
(9,841 posts)Truprogressive85
(900 posts)I never understood how HRC can say she wants to fight dark pools of money in politics yet still wants to benefit from its usages of Super PAcs.
Small donations from the masses > Large donation from a very select few
Who are the people that are pouring money into her PAcs ?
People don't cut large checks for no reason they want something in return
JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)hatrack
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