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DCBob

(24,689 posts)
Sat Nov 21, 2015, 01:31 PM Nov 2015

Hillary's resume.

Hillary's resume.

  • Graduate of Yale Law School, where she was one of just 27 women in her graduating class.
  • Young lawyer for the Children’s Defense Fund where she worked to help enact legislation to help children with disabilities in Massachusetts.
  • Lawyer for the Congressional Committee investigating President Nixon.
  • First Lady of Arkansas where she worked to improve educational standards and health care access for the people of Arkansas.
  • First Lady of United States during where she worked to reform our health care system and helped create the Children's Health Insurance Program. Here is where she learned what Republicans are capable of doing when faced with a strong intelligent aggressive woman.
  • U.S. Senator for New York, probably the most diverse, complex and important state in the country.. economically, financially, politically, and diplomatically. While Senator she worked to secure funding to rebuild New York after 9/11 and fought to provide health care for first responders who were contaminated at Ground Zero. Also helped to expanded TRICARE so that members of the Reserves and National Guard and their families could get better access to health care.
  • Ran for President in 2008 where she learned the hard way what it takes to win.
  • Served as Secretary of State for 4 years. She was instrumental in starting to restore America’s standing in the world. She helped build a coalition for tough new sanctions against Iran that brought them to the negotiating table and brokered a ceasefire between Israel and Hamas that ended a war. She also was a forceful champion for human rights, internet freedom, and rights and opportunities for women and girls, LGBT people and young people all around the globe.
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Hillary's resume. (Original Post) DCBob Nov 2015 OP
Impressive. randys1 Nov 2015 #1
And that's just a brief summary. DCBob Nov 2015 #2
Indeed there is! I summarized some of the missing accomplishments in Post #3. You're Welcome n/t JonLeibowitz Nov 2015 #4
Another impressive resume JonLeibowitz Nov 2015 #3
Thats an impressive list of exaggerated claims. DCBob Nov 2015 #5
Which ones are you skeptical of? Be specific. JonLeibowitz Nov 2015 #6
I dont doubt the basic truth of each of those items. DCBob Nov 2015 #9
They are not necessarily negative. That depends on your perspective. JonLeibowitz Nov 2015 #13
Even us regular Democrats dont see them as negatives. DCBob Nov 2015 #14
Some do, some don't. I doubt most democratic voters know the full list I posted. JonLeibowitz Nov 2015 #15
Yeah we do ibegurpard Nov 2015 #16
As if you understand how a regular Democrat feels. DCBob Nov 2015 #19
How in touch are you with the contempt people have for Hillary ? I mean one's who orpupilofnature57 Nov 2015 #29
I think their "contempt" is totally misplaced. DCBob Nov 2015 #35
There are some outright lies in that list, okasha Nov 2015 #76
Thanks for catching that. DCBob Nov 2015 #77
You're welcome. okasha Nov 2015 #80
She has however received enormous sums for "speaking fees" JonLeibowitz Nov 2015 #87
. JonLeibowitz Nov 2015 #82
Straightsplaining, and indeed a lie. okasha Nov 2015 #85
"straightsplaining" -- what a load of horsepoo. That is pure rhetorical garbage. JonLeibowitz Nov 2015 #86
Thank you for your admission okasha Nov 2015 #89
That's a pathetic statement about a systemic problem . orpupilofnature57 Nov 2015 #27
We just want her whole resume Politicalboi Nov 2015 #57
I don't know where Al From is from but I wish he'd go the fuck back there. Chan790 Nov 2015 #17
+1 Ed Suspicious Nov 2015 #18
+1. n/t Smarmie Doofus Nov 2015 #33
Nothing like a dose of cold , hard facts to flesh it out . TheFarS1de Nov 2015 #81
Six years on the Board of Directors UglyGreed Nov 2015 #7
New bullet point coming... onehandle Nov 2015 #8
YES!!!! DCBob Nov 2015 #11
!!! :-) !!! NurseJackie Nov 2015 #20
Yes, and she will add bullets as she serves as president. Thinkingabout Nov 2015 #32
Yes indeed. And so much more. SunSeeker Nov 2015 #10
Yes. I missed the Beijing speech. DCBob Nov 2015 #12
The "little" things are important too. Like her work with migrant farm laborers. SunSeeker Nov 2015 #24
Many dismiss the small under the radar stuff she has done... DCBob Nov 2015 #25
In that same time frame, okasha Nov 2015 #78
Yes, that's one of the reasons Hillary beat Obama 2-1 among Latino vote in the 2008 primary. SunSeeker Nov 2015 #100
We got nowhere near $21b. nt Depaysement Nov 2015 #22
The 911 responders disagree with you. SunSeeker Nov 2015 #23
Amount promised Depaysement Nov 2015 #50
How do you know, you were there Politicalboi Nov 2015 #59
I would say Depaysement Nov 2015 #65
What amount was "never delivered"? Links? nt SunSeeker Nov 2015 #72
"instrumental" is quite vague. Did she write the bill? No. merrily Nov 2015 #56
Got it. You think those first responders are full of shit. SunSeeker Nov 2015 #73
Bull. I don't where they got their info. merrily Nov 2015 #74
Yep. You don't trust first responders--think they could be making "their info" up. SunSeeker Nov 2015 #94
Thanks. That would explain why all of the stories of Hillary's "accomplishments" merrily Nov 2015 #95
Gee, the first responders and Sen. Schumer are liars, only you know the truth. SunSeeker Nov 2015 #96
First Responders made nothing up, but you are. merrily Nov 2015 #99
not the Garifuna MisterP Nov 2015 #21
Voted for the biggest US disaster in decades MannyGoldstein Nov 2015 #26
Along with most of the other Senate Democrats.. DCBob Nov 2015 #28
Most Congressional Democrats voted against war. MannyGoldstein Nov 2015 #30
Hillary was a Senator. DCBob Nov 2015 #34
So? MannyGoldstein Nov 2015 #36
Why would 58% of Democratic senators (29 of 50) vote for the resolution? DCBob Nov 2015 #38
So? MannyGoldstein Nov 2015 #40
But why did they get it wrong? DCBob Nov 2015 #42
Stupid, bloodthirsty, or ruthless, MannyGoldstein Nov 2015 #44
That is rediculouos to say to all those 28 senators are either stupid bloodthirsty or ruthless. DCBob Nov 2015 #46
What other explanation holds water? nt MannyGoldstein Nov 2015 #51
I think many good Democrats were duped by the Cheney/Bush war dance. DCBob Nov 2015 #54
War. MannyGoldstein Nov 2015 #58
I agree that the Iraq war was probably one of the biggest blunders this country has ever made. DCBob Nov 2015 #61
I think you miss the point Depaysement Nov 2015 #68
So you are a mind reader?? DCBob Nov 2015 #69
Yep. okasha Nov 2015 #92
Like the mistake we made bombing China instead of Japan Politicalboi Nov 2015 #60
I don't recall there was any intel indicating that China bombed Pearl Harbor?? DCBob Nov 2015 #62
They were lied to. okasha Nov 2015 #83
Then why did most Congressional Democrats vote against it? MannyGoldstein Nov 2015 #84
Ask them. okasha Nov 2015 #88
Obama was a Senator then? MannyGoldstein Nov 2015 #90
You're right; my bad. okasha Nov 2015 #97
It totally follows the rest of your train of thought here MannyGoldstein Nov 2015 #98
Obama? BootinUp Nov 2015 #91
As pointed out by several on the IWR vote, Sanders voted against the ISIS Resolution and now he is Thinkingabout Nov 2015 #31
Yep.. Bernie is a bit inconsistent when it comes to the MIC. DCBob Nov 2015 #37
Sounds like someone who has been around DC way too long. bigwillq Nov 2015 #39
Bernie has been there for 24 years straight. DCBob Nov 2015 #41
No bigwillq Nov 2015 #43
So O'Malley is your man?? DCBob Nov 2015 #45
1. Bernie 2. O'Malley bigwillq Nov 2015 #47
So your choice has nothing to do with being in DC too long. DCBob Nov 2015 #48
Yes, it does. bigwillq Nov 2015 #49
But that decision is not based simply on being in DC too long. DCBob Nov 2015 #55
"We came, we saw, he died" peacebird Nov 2015 #52
...+1 840high Nov 2015 #53
As a potential employer of hers, I do background checks. Clinton fails my background check, and I_AM_SAM Nov 2015 #63
Welcome to DU! Bernie has many weaknesses if he is our nominee. DCBob Nov 2015 #64
Thanks for the welcome. I_AM_SAM Nov 2015 #70
Well, that's your point of view which is understandable given you are a Bernie supporter. DCBob Nov 2015 #71
GREAT POST!!! Welcome to DU! riderinthestorm Nov 2015 #93
What's oddball about his past? okasha Nov 2015 #101
Hillary Clinton is the most qualified candidate in the field Gothmog Nov 2015 #66
Indeed she is. DCBob Nov 2015 #75
I am surprised no Bernie supporter posted Bernie's resume. DCBob Nov 2015 #67
I figured this would be another attack post Dem2 Nov 2015 #79
Yeah I thought some might think that. DCBob Nov 2015 #102
Thank you for posting this. NurseJackie Nov 2015 #103

JonLeibowitz

(6,282 posts)
3. Another impressive resume
Sat Nov 21, 2015, 01:54 PM
Nov 2015

* Voted and encouraged others to vote for the Iraq War in the absence of hard intel proving WMDs were present. The effect was to destabilize the region, with ISIS emerging as a powerful terrorist force.
* Encouraged a proactive business perspective towards monetizing Iraq for the U.S.
* Switched positions on bankruptcy bill after receiving substantial Wall St. monies to fund her 2000 senatorial campaign; hurt women in single families and lower income individuals at the benefit of her corporate masters.
* Outspoken advocate of anti-LGBT rights, right up to when she abruptly changed her position 2 years ago. As secretary of state urged against LGBT efforts to have Spouse 1/Spouse 2 as guardians on passports, instead advocating for the hurtful Husband/Wife designation. Now claims to be a strong advocate for this community.
* Switched positions numerous times on her position on gun rights, as helped her campaign.
* Helped overthrow the democratically elected government of a Latin American country.
* Helped rig the democratic elections of another Latin American country.
* Worked on and praised the TPP trade deal to hurt American workers at the benefit of large corporations; these corporations have since donated large sums of monies to her campaign. Switched positions on the TPP to court the progressive Dem base; refuses to be active in her opposition to the bill. Her supporters
* Delays a declaration for her position on Keystone, a pipeline for transporting dirty fossil fuels across America with effectively no impact on American jobs but great impact on corporate profits. Now claims to oppose it.
* Takes money from lobbyists of private prisons.

Her most telling endorsements:

“I’d lie if I said I wasn’t disappointed with the statement that she made on TPP. Everyone knew where she was on that and where she will be, but given the necessities of the moment and a tough Democratic primary, she felt she needed to go there [against the TPP] initially. --Representative Kind


“Hillary will bend a little bit, but not so much that she can’t get herself back on course in the general [election] and when she is governing." --Al From, DLC

DCBob

(24,689 posts)
5. Thats an impressive list of exaggerated claims.
Sat Nov 21, 2015, 02:00 PM
Nov 2015

The actual truth behind each of those dont concern most Democrats.

DCBob

(24,689 posts)
9. I dont doubt the basic truth of each of those items.
Sat Nov 21, 2015, 02:09 PM
Nov 2015

Its just how its presented as huge negatives. Most Democrats are aware of those issues and see them differently or don't really have a problem with it.

JonLeibowitz

(6,282 posts)
13. They are not necessarily negative. That depends on your perspective.
Sat Nov 21, 2015, 02:15 PM
Nov 2015

If you are a corporatist or benefit from the MIC that is a darn impressive resume, and I would definitely back the candidate.

As a private citizen, however, one sees the same facts slightly differently.

 

orpupilofnature57

(15,472 posts)
29. How in touch are you with the contempt people have for Hillary ? I mean one's who
Sat Nov 21, 2015, 06:40 PM
Nov 2015

don't live in Washington D.C or Hollywood /

okasha

(11,573 posts)
76. There are some outright lies in that list,
Sat Nov 21, 2015, 11:38 PM
Nov 2015

not just exaggerations.

Possibly the stupidest is the statement that she has supported "anti-LGBT rights." Hillary has been a visible and vocal supporter of LGBT's since her tenure as First Lady.

There's every reason to doubt those statements.

okasha

(11,573 posts)
80. You're welcome.
Sun Nov 22, 2015, 12:02 AM
Nov 2015

The other huge howler is that she has received contributions from corporations. She hasn't. Corporations are prohibited by law from donating to political campaigns. For perspective: I donated to Hillary's campaign in 2008. So did many of my professional colleages. Those were individual contributions, not contributions by the State of Texas.

okasha

(11,573 posts)
85. Straightsplaining, and indeed a lie.
Sun Nov 22, 2015, 12:30 AM
Nov 2015

Equal marriage was not and is not the sole focus of LGBT civil rights. There was a time when many LGBT's were not interested in marriage of any kind because it was seen as surrender to the prevailing culture.

But yes, Hillary was late to the party on this one. So were Obama and even Bernie Sanders. Howard Dean was our champion then, and other Dems, including Hillary, followed him in supporting civil unions.

JonLeibowitz

(6,282 posts)
86. "straightsplaining" -- what a load of horsepoo. That is pure rhetorical garbage.
Sun Nov 22, 2015, 12:33 AM
Nov 2015

Bernie Sanders was not late to LGBT civil rights. Not in any sense. And he certainly didn't proudly declare marriage was between a man and a woman before subsequently changing his mind and touting his LGBT "record".

 

Politicalboi

(15,189 posts)
57. We just want her whole resume
Sat Nov 21, 2015, 08:49 PM
Nov 2015

Not cherry picking only the good things. And these things DO concern me. Even I knew Saddam had no weapons.

 

Chan790

(20,176 posts)
17. I don't know where Al From is from but I wish he'd go the fuck back there.
Sat Nov 21, 2015, 03:40 PM
Nov 2015

Doubly nice if he took the Clintons with him.

(I lied, everybody knows Al From is a minion of Hell.)

onehandle

(51,122 posts)
8. New bullet point coming...
Sat Nov 21, 2015, 02:04 PM
Nov 2015

• POTUS - 2017-2025

On edit: As I typed that second number, it surprised me how far we are into the 21st century.

SunSeeker

(51,579 posts)
24. The "little" things are important too. Like her work with migrant farm laborers.
Sat Nov 21, 2015, 05:46 PM
Nov 2015

In the summer of 1970, civil rights lawyer Marian Wright Edelman, the first black woman admitted to the bar in Mississippi, was so impressed with a speech she heard Hillary give at Yale (Hillary had just started her studies at Yale Law School) that she assigned Hillary to work with a Senate subcommittee, chaired by Senator Walter Mondale, which was studying the plight of migrant farm workers in labor camps. Hillary conducted field interviews with migrant workers and their children, and subsequently facilitated senate hearings on harsh migrant farmworker conditions. https://books.google.com/books?id=mhOoB-ejGIMC&pg=PA36&lpg=PA36&dq=Hillary's+work+with+migrant+in+1970&source=bl&ots=oNWiYLH-fn&sig=3jo3we47TSMLriL9BxK3YviRKsE&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjCmujRtqLJAhUH3WMKHcCqAuMQ6AEISTAH#v=onepage&q=Hillary's%20work%20with%20migrant%20in%201970&f=false

At that time, while Hillary was actually doing something to help poor people, Bernie was making quixotic third party runs for Senator and Governor in Vermont. And some Bernie supporters keep wondering why PoC overwhelmingly support Hillary. It appears many Bernie supporters are willfully ignorant of Hillary's lifetime of accomplishments. http://www.thefamouspeople.com/profiles/hillary-diane-rodham-clinton-1632.php#7EooS1RzacftO0KU.99

DCBob

(24,689 posts)
25. Many dismiss the small under the radar stuff she has done...
Sat Nov 21, 2015, 06:32 PM
Nov 2015

and claim she has done nothing significant. They are totally mistaken.

okasha

(11,573 posts)
78. In that same time frame,
Sat Nov 21, 2015, 11:49 PM
Nov 2015

she and Bill were both in the Rio Grande Valley registering first time Hispanic voters. She is still remembered for that here, and not merely admired but loved. She will carry the state in the primary easily, and very possibly the general as well.

SunSeeker

(51,579 posts)
100. Yes, that's one of the reasons Hillary beat Obama 2-1 among Latino vote in the 2008 primary.
Sun Nov 22, 2015, 01:14 AM
Nov 2015
Hillary Clinton, the presumptive favorite for the Democratic nomination, beat Obama 2–1 among Latino voters in the 2008 primary. It wasn’t just name recognition, either. The Clintons have a robust network of Latino leaders and activists, and long history with outreach that dates back to 1970s in Texas.
. . .
In 1972, when a young Hillary and Bill Clinton were working the ill-fated George McGovern campaign, she worked closely with well-respected union leader, Franklin Garcia, who took her under his wing as she helped register Latino voters in south Texas and along the Rio Grande Valley.

http://www.buzzfeed.com/adriancarrasquillo/hillary-clinton-has-deep-history-with-latinos-and-theres-not#.jdqM3ajE3

And what was Bernie doing in 1972? Oh yeah, penning this unhinged rape fantasy screed:



http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2015/05/young-bernie-sanders-liberty-union-vermont

SunSeeker

(51,579 posts)
23. The 911 responders disagree with you.
Sat Nov 21, 2015, 04:46 PM
Nov 2015
Then New York Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton was instrumental in obtaining $21 billion for New York City in the immediate aftermath of 9/11, working alongside New York’s Senior Senator Charles Schumer. Clinton also took a leading role in investigating the health issues faced by 9/11 first responders, ultimately winning the first federal appropriations for medical monitoring of 9/11 Responders. This funding laid the groundwork for future appropriations and the expanded Medical Monitoring and Treatment Program to come. Without Clinton’s early efforts on behalf of 9/11 Responders, the 9/11 Health and Compensation Act as we know it may not have been possible.


http://www.renew911health.org/allies/
 

Politicalboi

(15,189 posts)
59. How do you know, you were there
Sat Nov 21, 2015, 08:55 PM
Nov 2015

There's just no denying Hillary saved New York after 9/11, or don't you know that.

Depaysement

(1,835 posts)
65. I would say
Sat Nov 21, 2015, 09:19 PM
Nov 2015

She advocated and made calls. She got some small additional aid for particular items. She did what she could do. But a lot of what was promised was never delivered and she certainly can't take credit for most of the federal aid to NY. Nor should she want to. We were shortchanged by a lot.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
74. Bull. I don't where they got their info.
Sat Nov 21, 2015, 10:50 PM
Nov 2015

Most descriptions of her activities are quite vague. "Participated in" and similar terms.

SunSeeker

(51,579 posts)
94. Yep. You don't trust first responders--think they could be making "their info" up.
Sun Nov 22, 2015, 12:55 AM
Nov 2015

They did not say she merely "participated." They said she was "instrumental" and "took a leading role."

http://www.renew911health.org/allies/

Wonder where they get their info from? Maybe Senator Chuck Schumer, who was there in the Senate and watched her do it:

‘Clinton is one of the most accomplished people ever to run’

By Chuck Schumer, U.S. Senator for New York, Democratic party.
...
Hillary Clinton was instrumental in helping secure $21 billion in federal aid to help New York rebuild after 9/11. She fought tooth and nail to protect the first responders who rushed into danger when the towers collapsed and was pivotal in the passage of legislation that helped those first responders who got sick get the care and treatment they deserved.
...

Read more: http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2015/09/carly-fiorina-debate-hillary-clintons-greatest-accomplishment-213157#ixzz3sC1Ju0uC

merrily

(45,251 posts)
95. Thanks. That would explain why all of the stories of Hillary's "accomplishments"
Sun Nov 22, 2015, 12:57 AM
Nov 2015

read so similarly, including this one. Has nothing to do with the responders making anything up. What a piece of crap that claim was!

merrily

(45,251 posts)
99. First Responders made nothing up, but you are.
Sun Nov 22, 2015, 01:14 AM
Nov 2015

I've already said twice this is not about the first responders. You yourself posted info that proved they did not generate this info, but it came from Schumer, yet you keep repeating that I am discrediting the first responders. That's what I call making stuff up.

 

MannyGoldstein

(34,589 posts)
26. Voted for the biggest US disaster in decades
Sat Nov 21, 2015, 06:35 PM
Nov 2015

Millions of casualtiies, trillions of dollars, totally preventable.

 

MannyGoldstein

(34,589 posts)
30. Most Congressional Democrats voted against war.
Sat Nov 21, 2015, 06:41 PM
Nov 2015

Only the Third Wayers who wanted to be President, and were willing to cause such havoc to gain that office, voted for it

 

MannyGoldstein

(34,589 posts)
36. So?
Sat Nov 21, 2015, 07:23 PM
Nov 2015

We're those who voted against it wrong?

Why did she refuse to read the National Intelligence Estimate?

DCBob

(24,689 posts)
38. Why would 58% of Democratic senators (29 of 50) vote for the resolution?
Sat Nov 21, 2015, 07:25 PM
Nov 2015

They cant all be fools and warmongers.

 

MannyGoldstein

(34,589 posts)
40. So?
Sat Nov 21, 2015, 07:29 PM
Nov 2015

Did they not get it wrong, when most elected Democrats got it right?

They should be fired, not promoted, by any reasonable standard.

DCBob

(24,689 posts)
46. That is rediculouos to say to all those 28 senators are either stupid bloodthirsty or ruthless.
Sat Nov 21, 2015, 07:38 PM
Nov 2015

Including Joe Biden, John Kerry and John Edwards. It makes no sense.

DCBob

(24,689 posts)
54. I think many good Democrats were duped by the Cheney/Bush war dance.
Sat Nov 21, 2015, 08:29 PM
Nov 2015

This was probably the most difficult vote in their entire political career. They were wrong and made a mistake but at the time it seemed like the right thing to do. Of course no Democrat trusted Bush.. except perhaps Lieberman... but the evidence they were presenting was hard to dismiss taken at its face value. I think the tipping point for many was the Colin Powell UN speech. Most Democrats considered him a straight shooter and wouldn't lie about something this serious.

 

MannyGoldstein

(34,589 posts)
58. War.
Sat Nov 21, 2015, 08:54 PM
Nov 2015

Millions of casualties.

The reality of the situation was well known, and stated in the National Intelligence Estimate. Most elected Democrats did the right thing. Bernie Sanders even predicted that something like ISIS would emerge from this horrific act.

DCBob

(24,689 posts)
61. I agree that the Iraq war was probably one of the biggest blunders this country has ever made.
Sat Nov 21, 2015, 09:06 PM
Nov 2015

I participated in 3 Iraq war protests here in DC.. including a huge one the weekend before the war started which the media mostly ignored. But I blame the Bush admin completely, not Democrats.

Depaysement

(1,835 posts)
68. I think you miss the point
Sat Nov 21, 2015, 09:33 PM
Nov 2015

It isn't that she was wrong about the Intel or believed Bush. No one in politics expected the President to lie blatantly like that. Bush made Nixon look trustworthy.

The problem is that her vote was not based on an assessment of whether the war was right or wrong but rather the pure political calculation of the vote's effect on winning future elections. If you send soldiers into battle to face death for that reason you lack the judgment, conscience and character to be CIC.

okasha

(11,573 posts)
92. Yep.
Sun Nov 22, 2015, 12:43 AM
Nov 2015

Amazing, isn't it? I wonder how he does it. Tarot? Clairvoyance? Scrying? Inspecting a sheep's liver?

 

Politicalboi

(15,189 posts)
60. Like the mistake we made bombing China instead of Japan
Sat Nov 21, 2015, 09:04 PM
Nov 2015

After Pearl Harbor? Oh wait! Duped indeed. I wasn't duped. I never went to college. Duped by a stolen election but felt they were told the truth about Iraq. Hillary and the rest of the Dem's who voted for war should have been impeached.

DCBob

(24,689 posts)
62. I don't recall there was any intel indicating that China bombed Pearl Harbor??
Sat Nov 21, 2015, 09:09 PM
Nov 2015

Maybe you know more about that than I do.

okasha

(11,573 posts)
83. They were lied to.
Sun Nov 22, 2015, 12:15 AM
Nov 2015

The actual bill called for the UN inspectors to complete their investigation. Approval of force was contingent upon the presence of WMD's. Bush invaded without allowing completion of the inspections.

It was exactly the same bait-and-switch Lyondon Johnson used to pass the Gulf of Tonkin Resolution, supported by George McGovern and William Fulbright, among other solidly liberal Senators.

Both Bush and Johnson short circuited the process and went to war illegally.

okasha

(11,573 posts)
88. Ask them.
Sun Nov 22, 2015, 12:36 AM
Nov 2015

Why did a majority of Dem Senators approve it? They weren't all potential presidential candidates. Interestingly enough, Obama opted for a strategic absence the day of the vote, as Bobby Kennedy had done with the Gulf of Tonkin resolution.

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
31. As pointed out by several on the IWR vote, Sanders voted against the ISIS Resolution and now he is
Sat Nov 21, 2015, 07:01 PM
Nov 2015

Ready for some action, he was against it before he realized he should be gor action. Sanders has voted more times for military action than Clinton has. He votes consistently to fund the F-35 program which Lockheed Martin has the contract, it isn't feasible but he continues to vote for the program but now that he is running for president he wants to cut defense spending, which way is it, either he wants to continue the spending or he doesn't.

 

bigwillq

(72,790 posts)
47. 1. Bernie 2. O'Malley
Sat Nov 21, 2015, 07:49 PM
Nov 2015

I think both Hillary and Bernie have been involved in politics for a long time, but I had no control in that matter since I did not live in NY or VT. If voters keep voting them in, then that's not their fault.

I like Bernie's vision for the country better, so I will be voting for Bernie. Not a ton of choices, and Bernie's vision is more similar to mine than the other candidates. I would be happy with O'Malley, though.

I am just so over the Clintons.

 

bigwillq

(72,790 posts)
49. Yes, it does.
Sat Nov 21, 2015, 07:53 PM
Nov 2015

A lot of folks have been in DC for a long time, but now I get a chance to decide if they stay in DC or not.
I wouldn't mind Bernie staying in DC longer. I do not want Clinton to stay in DC longer.

DCBob

(24,689 posts)
55. But that decision is not based simply on being in DC too long.
Sat Nov 21, 2015, 08:33 PM
Nov 2015

You like Bernie for other reasons. That's fine.

 

I_AM_SAM

(16 posts)
63. As a potential employer of hers, I do background checks. Clinton fails my background check, and
Sat Nov 21, 2015, 09:11 PM
Nov 2015

Bernie has passed my background checks. No baggages, minimal negative issues, broad appeal, cross-over appeal, and just as interesting.

DCBob

(24,689 posts)
64. Welcome to DU! Bernie has many weaknesses if he is our nominee.
Sat Nov 21, 2015, 09:15 PM
Nov 2015

Here are a few key ones...

-- His age. I wonder if he can withstand a grueling Presidential general election campaign.
-- His style. Bernie comes off as old, tired and cranky. Not an image most voters prefer.
-- His limited appeal. Bernie's focus is mostly on economics. That's not good enough to run for POTUS.
-- His lack of foreign policy experience. This will be a huge problem given what has just happened in Paris.
-- His lack of appeal to minorities. We cant win a general election without the minority vote.
-- His extreme approach to economic reforms. His ideas are interesting but I think America is not ready for them.
-- His oddball past. Fair or not the GOP with exploit this.
-- He is a self-identified socialist. Fair or not, the GOP with also exploit this to no end.

Bottom line, Bernie is a huge risk. Hillary is our best bet to beat the GOP.

 

I_AM_SAM

(16 posts)
70. Thanks for the welcome.
Sat Nov 21, 2015, 09:56 PM
Nov 2015

Let's go over them one by one.

-- His age. I wonder if he can withstand a grueling Presidential general election campaign.

Ageism. You can argue the same for Clinton. She recently had a health scare a few years ago involving her brain. Can she handle a rigorous GE campaign full of attacks on her personality, her policies, and her failed issues? Bernie will be fine and healthy as an ox.

-- His style. Bernie comes off as old, tired and cranky. Not an image most voters prefer.

Nope. He's very interesting, and would love to have a long discussion with him. His vast experience dealing with both the right and the left has given him a distinction.

-- His limited appeal. Bernie's focus is mostly on economics. That's not good enough to run for POTUS.

Economics that helps America. Such as single payer health care, free education paid for by Wall Street High Frequency Tax. He has differentiated himself by getting involved in social justice that is tied with income inequality, and has improved tremendously on Black Lives Matter. He hit a grand slam five times today at the BET. Give it a listen.

-- His lack of foreign policy experience. This will be a huge problem given what has just happened in Paris.

Ahem. Do you know who else had lack of foreign policy experience? Barack Obama. Still beat Clinton who didn't have much either, only through being FLOTUS.

-- His lack of appeal to minorities. We cant win a general election without the minority vote.

He made major inroads today, and will be in Atlanta on Monday. I think he's getting there. Clinton has already ignored the forum in favor for some stupid fundraiser in South Carolina.

-- His extreme approach to economic reforms. His ideas are interesting but I think America is not ready for them.

America is also tired of getting their asses reamed from that huge sucking machine that is controlled by the 1%.

-- His oddball past. Fair or not the GOP with exploit this.

Oddball? What is oddball about his past?

-- He is a self-identified socialist. Fair or not, the GOP with also exploit this to no end.

Guess you missed his excellent speech Thursday on Democratic Socialism. People have responded positively on the idea of socialism. Don't like it, get the hell off my socialist roads and start walking. Eisenhower created the Interstate Highway System which is socialist. I'm taking it on Tuesday for a road trip to see the family on Thanksgiving.

Have a great Thanksgiving, DCBob, and hold the pollution.

DCBob

(24,689 posts)
71. Well, that's your point of view which is understandable given you are a Bernie supporter.
Sat Nov 21, 2015, 10:00 PM
Nov 2015

Others not so enamored with Bernie might not feel the same.

okasha

(11,573 posts)
101. What's oddball about his past?
Sun Nov 22, 2015, 01:17 AM
Nov 2015

His failure to hold a steady job before the age of 40. That's unusual in the population at large, and unheard of in a Presidential candidate.

DCBob

(24,689 posts)
67. I am surprised no Bernie supporter posted Bernie's resume.
Sat Nov 21, 2015, 09:27 PM
Nov 2015

Is it maybe because his resume sucks in comparison?

Dem2

(8,168 posts)
79. I figured this would be another attack post
Sat Nov 21, 2015, 11:51 PM
Nov 2015

One of the most impressive resume's of any candidate, ever.

Thanks.

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