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Le Taz Hot

(22,271 posts)
Fri Nov 13, 2015, 10:34 AM Nov 2015

So, about this meme that you have to have bazillions of dollars

to compete in today's political environment. If that was the case, Jeb would be winning by a landslide, Meg Whitman would have been California's Governor and Carly Fiorina would have been one of it's Senators.

Keep fighting, Bernie supporters, it's been done before and we can do it again.

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So, about this meme that you have to have bazillions of dollars (Original Post) Le Taz Hot Nov 2015 OP
But we do have a bazillion dollars Kalidurga Nov 2015 #1
Buying our own signs, copying or own flyers, organizing our jwirr Nov 2015 #4
Of course you're right. Le Taz Hot Nov 2015 #17
Not in the Primary but most certainly in the General Election. BlueCaliDem Nov 2015 #2
Thank you! nt NurseJackie Nov 2015 #8
What can big money accomplish that grass root cannot? Cosmic Kitten Nov 2015 #9
buy off the media reddread Nov 2015 #18
I get your point, but *the media* is already OWNED by the 1% Cosmic Kitten Nov 2015 #20
more like a revolving merry go round in this case reddread Nov 2015 #21
Yep, That's how we know the 4th Estate is dead. Cosmic Kitten Nov 2015 #22
1st Amendment obituary written by "acceptable sources" reddread Nov 2015 #23
jerry brown was the best known, non incumbent politician in the state when he ran and beat whitman dsc Nov 2015 #3
And use our DU link to donate to Bernie Omaha Steve Nov 2015 #5
The 2016 Presidential Election is expected to cost $5 Billion. SunSeeker Nov 2015 #6
It won't *cost* 5 billion. That's what will be spent Cosmic Kitten Nov 2015 #7
That's all you've got? Playing with semantics? SunSeeker Nov 2015 #10
How does money overcome grassroots organizing? n/t eridani Nov 2015 #11
Paying three people to GOTV to every grassroots volunteer your opponent has in GOTV = Landslide. eom MohRokTah Nov 2015 #16
Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 2015 #25
Because paid GOTV people are really, really motivated? eridani Nov 2015 #33
By overwhelming the airwaves with propaganda. nt SunSeeker Nov 2015 #30
So who's listening to the airwaves anymore? eridani Nov 2015 #32
Right. Who needs TV ads. Only Republicans watch TV. SunSeeker Nov 2015 #34
Most voters are more annoyed by them than convinced of anything. eridani Nov 2015 #35
Money can't buy you love AgingAmerican Nov 2015 #12
And money can't buy enthusiasm Le Taz Hot Nov 2015 #13
Correction, you have to have money as a threshold; you can still be a hopeless candidate... brooklynite Nov 2015 #14
thats for sure reddread Nov 2015 #19
Thank you. Enough money is the baseline -- you still have to be able to run a Nay Nov 2015 #27
I want to include, as a huge etc., ... 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2015 #28
Money is a key component to the game. MohRokTah Nov 2015 #15
Not true Rosa Luxemburg Nov 2015 #24
Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 2015 #26
Now, THAT, is a meme ... 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2015 #29
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Nov 2015 #31

Kalidurga

(14,177 posts)
1. But we do have a bazillion dollars
Fri Nov 13, 2015, 10:37 AM
Nov 2015

Bernie has 700,000 people that send him money. And there is the hidden campaign money it can't be counted there is just no way to estimate the amount of money all the volunteers spend knocking on doors, going to canvassing meetings, and all the other volunteer campaign work.

Le Taz Hot

(22,271 posts)
17. Of course you're right.
Sat Nov 14, 2015, 11:05 AM
Nov 2015

Those are the "intangibles" the Bean Counters hate because there's no way to quantify it.

BlueCaliDem

(15,438 posts)
2. Not in the Primary but most certainly in the General Election.
Fri Nov 13, 2015, 10:42 AM
Nov 2015

In the primary, it's basically Party candidates against one another and a few million should be enough.

However, once the primaries are over, Citizens United becomes all-important when Democrat campaigns against Republican for the White House. Big Money will begin to unite against their single adversary.

Since Sanders is principled and is bucking the Citizens United new rules, and has neither big donors in the primaries and definitely none (no Super PACs) for the G.E., he'll be an easy target to defeat by the GOP money machine and the Libertarian billionaires who want to destroy "Big Gubmint".

In this era of Citizens United, your preferred primary candidate has decided to handicap himself just before entering the ring. Not smart. Noble? Principled? Ethical? Morally sound? Absolutely. But not a winning strategy against an opponent who is willing to bring out the big guns while Sanders holds a water pistol.

Cosmic Kitten

(3,498 posts)
20. I get your point, but *the media* is already OWNED by the 1%
Sat Nov 14, 2015, 12:11 PM
Nov 2015

They are simply a propaganda arm
of the oligarchs.

The 4th Estate is long gone.

It seems the money buys ADVERTISING.
It keeps the flow of money flowing
from the top, to the enablers.

 

reddread

(6,896 posts)
21. more like a revolving merry go round in this case
Sat Nov 14, 2015, 12:17 PM
Nov 2015

contributions flowing one way, votes flowing the other.
big media budgets, no nasty (or for that matter, fair) coverage.
total abrogation of responsibilities in place and inherent from the
dawn of broadcasting, no matter how they shed them, crimes against democracy.
believing a word or apparent action from criminals like that
is a bad idea.

dsc

(52,209 posts)
3. jerry brown was the best known, non incumbent politician in the state when he ran and beat whitman
Fri Nov 13, 2015, 10:45 AM
Nov 2015

Jeb is losing to people who also have money (he isn't losing to Kasich for example).

SunSeeker

(52,205 posts)
6. The 2016 Presidential Election is expected to cost $5 Billion.
Fri Nov 13, 2015, 01:12 PM
Nov 2015

This is not a state office campaign in a blue state. The Fiorina and Whitman examples in California, where very popular and well known and well financed Dem Governor and Senate candidates were on the ballot (Jerry Brown and Barbara Boxer), are just not applicable.

Bernie cannot do this on $10 Act Blue internet donations and no super pac help. Ask Russ Feingold.

Cosmic Kitten

(3,498 posts)
7. It won't *cost* 5 billion. That's what will be spent
Fri Nov 13, 2015, 01:19 PM
Nov 2015

At $5 billion, what does
that breakdown to per vote?

What other nation spends
that kind of money to elect leaders?
NONE.

It's a symptom of the cancer
that plagues of political system.

It's a sure sign of corruption.

SunSeeker

(52,205 posts)
10. That's all you've got? Playing with semantics?
Fri Nov 13, 2015, 03:23 PM
Nov 2015

How about addressing my point?

How is unilateral disarmament going to get us what we want?

 

MohRokTah

(15,429 posts)
16. Paying three people to GOTV to every grassroots volunteer your opponent has in GOTV = Landslide. eom
Sat Nov 14, 2015, 11:04 AM
Nov 2015

Response to MohRokTah (Reply #16)

eridani

(51,907 posts)
33. Because paid GOTV people are really, really motivated?
Sat Nov 14, 2015, 09:24 PM
Nov 2015

The game has changed with traditional media seeing significant aging of viewership, and social media and podcasting taking on increasingly important roles.

eridani

(51,907 posts)
35. Most voters are more annoyed by them than convinced of anything.
Sun Nov 15, 2015, 02:24 AM
Nov 2015

TV viewing is way down, with the median age of broadcast TV reaching an all time high of 54.

 

AgingAmerican

(12,958 posts)
12. Money can't buy you love
Sat Nov 14, 2015, 07:07 AM
Nov 2015

Ask Scott Walker and Jeb! Jeb! has about $200 million. Walker has the Koch Brothers. Money can't buy you love.

Le Taz Hot

(22,271 posts)
13. And money can't buy enthusiasm
Sat Nov 14, 2015, 10:54 AM
Nov 2015

and money doesn't translate to votes. That's why all these, "But Brown and . . . state elections . . . and established candidates" reactions. Money changing hands between the .01%ers is all they know.

BUT, we have to keep him viable throughout the early primary states so the REST OF THE COUNTRY can have the option of voting for him.

Nay

(12,051 posts)
27. Thank you. Enough money is the baseline -- you still have to be able to run a
Sat Nov 14, 2015, 12:45 PM
Nov 2015

campaign, display energy, etc.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
28. I want to include, as a huge etc., ...
Sat Nov 14, 2015, 01:05 PM
Nov 2015

"and connect with key constituencies, within your parties base."

 

MohRokTah

(15,429 posts)
15. Money is a key component to the game.
Sat Nov 14, 2015, 11:02 AM
Nov 2015

And Sanders just does not have the fund raising capability in order to win a GE.

End of story.

Response to Rosa Luxemburg (Reply #24)

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
29. Now, THAT, is a meme ...
Sat Nov 14, 2015, 01:10 PM
Nov 2015

a fantasy fueled meme at that.

At the end, it'll be the decisions influenced by CU that will doom Clinton.


Unless I'm misunderstanding your point, HRC has the money to compete in this CU age; however, Bernie and O'Malley, do not ... less so, O'Malley, because he has not foreclosed on fund raising streams.

That, and Bernie's base is still growing on a rapid basis. None of them will ever be polled, of course.


That was the fantasy part.
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